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@SteveG wait until tomorrow :D than you'll eventually get time off
yeah i should take tomorrow off too
but im so comfy now
lol
@KendallFrey dont you use relative paths?
Teo
Teo
Hi guys... sorry to disturb you.
I've a question about my MVC Web Application and I hope you can help me about sending data from client script to controller;
If I "send" only my form content to my Controller it receive the object correctly but if i send the form and a variable with the same method, the Controller receive null object.
This is the client code that run correctly : pastebin.com/G73VHsLi
This is the server code of the action that run correctly: pastebin.com/EysnMYDn
This is the client code with issue: pastebin.com/Uubr00Hn
@SebastianL Of course, that's why I need this
12:05
@SteveG i got 2 weeks off. suck it
lol
:(
come to ireland, i'll buy you a whisky
I wrote a little node script to run my app, but it's ugly
@BenjaminDiele aha i've been in shannon before
12:07
Okay @RoelvanUden
thanks
@SteveG come to dublin on monday
@SteveG Everyone's been in Shannon yo.
She a hoe
12:25
@Teo Are you using a strongly typed model?
@KendallFrey you could write another script which sets the workingdir for the process starting your makefile, but thats kind of annoying.
@SebastianL well that fucks up my build process
Hi guys, any WPF guy here?
yes, just ask your question
12:36
I have a strange problem
Im tryin to implement multilanguage stuff inside my solution using resx
Its working fine, but now i get an xaml exception all the time when binding to a resx staticresource inside a datatemplate
e.g. doing this for a textblock inside a datatemplate
Text="{Binding CameraModel, Source={StaticResource TranslationKC}}"
When im not in a datatemplate its working fin
@KendallFrey isnt the shell function capable of using cd?
shell function?
@JoshuadV You can't use StaticResource for stuff that can change, like language stuff
DynamicResource is for that
shit you type faster than me
12:38
@KendallFrey well i can, and its working everywhere except datatemplate
The static resource itself is just a ObjectdataProvider
Where is your resource defined? Is it above it in the file?
This is only the case in a Datatemplate
Yes @ Failsafe
at run time
12:39
a data template cant see the static resource
ah thats bad. And this there any workaround?
yea
dynamic resource
So, what i would need to change ? I dont wanna change everything because everywhere else i wanna keep using static resource
@SebastianL Tried it, failed. Any examples?
@JoshuadV uh, i guess change that one static resource to a dynamic resource and see what happens?
why did google change their logo?
12:47
boredom
the title bar logo looked like some blog site logo
it confused me for a couple seconds
How much more does software development managers make then programmers?
a lot
jk it depends on what you code and where you work
for instance
if you develop specifically peoplesoft
you make a shitload
but if you do .NET, you don't make as much
Yeah for .Net
12:51
as a team lead or CTO would
It depends on country, region, company, your skills, etc.
in the USA, entry level starts at around 50k
mid level is about 70k
senior is about 90-100k
For instance, in the company ASML in the Netherlands there is NO DIFFERENCE in terms of pay between management function or engineering functions.
12:52
after senior you can choose business or technical
suppose if a company is paying me 110k when i work as a developer
I'm sure there are similar companies in the USA.
business being a PM, technical being an architect
edc
edc
or go into consultancy
how much will they pay if i am a manager
12:53
Ask?
edc
edc
sometimes people go into management without realizing how much more skills other than software dev you need there
yea but if you work through the ranks you get a pretty rough idea
anyone of you work as a manager?
and by rough idea i mean you know what NOT to do
I work as a developer. I wouldn't want to be a manager.
12:54
no fuck that
i dont want to make decisions or go to meetings
give me requirements and i'll do them, idgaf what they are
edc
edc
making decisions to fire people is the worst, unless you are a sociopath
or jaded
I want to be at least a vp of a company
in next ten years
But... why?
im CTO of my own private business
but we are super small
not big business
12:56
More money
@edc This is a big problem in most companies I've been in. The belief that a dev team leader is an upgraded dev, when in fact it's 85% different skill-set, and shouldn't be considered a step up for someone who's good as a dev.
edc
edc
you can create your own company and become a CEO immediately :)
It should be a step up to people who are good at management.
@Failsafe what type of product you guys are working on?
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yea but the person who is a TL SHOULD be making decisions
edc
edc
12:57
my colleague kinda enlightened me
if you just care about money as a software dev
become a contractor
@Obviously i cant really say......
@Failsafe That's the 15% right there - the ability to hear your team member's technical recommendations and understand them enough to make a decision. :)
edc
edc
no management bullshit, no politics bullshit. you just take requirements, get them done, charge client money. profit.
you dont need to be a consultant to make money
edc
edc
you don't even need to care about maintenance for the most part
12:58
you just need to be dedicated to not only work at work but work at home
@edc I work as a contractor
release your OWN software
@edc exactly what im saying
edc
edc
@Failsafe that works too
Starting your own company is not easy
Ye.. building something people want to buy works.
12:59
you need an idea
yes it is
idea that works
it costs about $600
@Obviously It doesn't even need to work. People just need to want to get it.
and you need to write something for your local newspaper
12:59
LOL it costs £15 in the UK
edc
edc
trust me, being a VP at a sizable company is not easy either
you dont need to make profit for 2 years
well i should say you have 2 years to make profit
A company registration in the Netherlands... 60 euro.
@Failsafe if i change to dynamicRecource he requires DependancyProperty, is this the right way?
Anyone know a good way to debug/figure out why unobtrusive js isn't working in an MVC project before I kick my computer out of the window?
13:01
All you did was change
{StaticResource x} to
{DynamicResource x}
right?
@RoelvanUden Here it ranges from 8 tot 15k I think.
@AlexH Step one; check if the files are even loaded in the browser
@BenjaminDiele You belgium people are hilarious :-3
@RoelvanUden BOOM
We pay taxes like there's no tomorrow. It's really fucking horrible.
Here's how to make money in the US
13:03
@RoelvanUden yup it's there... I think it might be an issue with AJAX loaded content
@BenjaminDiele Well.. taxes comes later. Once you make money. XD
edc
edc
@Obviously and sometimes, you don't need great ideas for a company
Get business, try to get Small Business Set Aside contracts from feds, rake in small contract money, charge out the ass for support of 2 month long project, ??? profit
edc
edc
my colleague opened up a business. all he's doing is buying collectibles and flip them on ebay. earns him more money than you'd think
Now automate that
13:04
hire some shitty HR rep to call fed contract loaners all day
edc
edc
then he uses his dba skills to collect data and figure out what's good time to buy/sell. automate his billing, etc.
do actual work while you wait for contracts
Contracts for what?
anything
Its not like feds will give you contracts for nothing
They will have a lots of criteria
13:07
meh not really
Like certain licenses etc etc
So you mean that feds will outsource their IT work to a garage office?
you just need to be legally allowed to work in a certain state
yea
pretty much
they dont care
@Failsafe But why would they pick your random consulting firm over the several hundred other options out there?
not hundred, several thousand other options
its small business
needs to be below a certain amount of people
like 10 people
13:09
I would expect to earn an assload of money for employing ten people
I don't know about the US federal government, but most gov. contract RFPs required the company to exist for X months and to show several previous projects or even a certain cash flow.
you can
all you need is the 1 contract
just 1
The ones I've read, anyway.
in 2 years
@Failsafe yes, that was all i changed
13:10
well i mean it doesn't hurt to make applications and sell them under your company name
but i guess Source is not a Dependancy Prop. thats the problem
I guess, also if you are smart enough you can buff up your portfolio
and put that on your company resume
being good at communication doesnt hurt either
find a good group of developers, like 4 or 5 people, make some app's for some local businesses, and put that on your resume
thats what i did
it definitely doesn't hurt, and you get XP at the same time
And then you level up amiright
yea to ceo
lol
@JoshuadV I don't really know, I cant look at your pastebin links at work because it's blocked..
edc
edc
13:15
it's all about connections unfortunately
people won't know if you code better or not
That's if you make something on request.
The other way around? Nobody gives a shit who you are.
They'll just buy your product.
@edc that's why you hire a recruiter or HR person to make calls all day
edc
edc
yup :)
Coming up with the product is the toughest part
If your product is good, people will acquire you or something
@Obviously Just go around to local businesses who might be lacking something technical, i.e. bad website no mobile app
and just pitch an idea to the owners
sometimes they might want something like that and be willing to pay a couple grand for it
edc
edc
13:17
if all you want is making money and not changing the world, yup, you don't need new ideas
@Failsafe urgh I hated that approach. Tried it. The company was so slow on supplying requirements that nothing got launched in 2 years. The work was so unprofitable, too.
But local businesses do not need customized business applications?
hell yea they do
@Obviously they totally do, but will never pay for it
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13:18
Yeah they do not need it badly enough that they will pay for it
@Squiggle never pay A LOT for it. but if you can signt something
sign something*, a legal document of employment
perhaps
you can put that as something you "contracted on"
Have you ever approached a local business?
What type of businesses have you approached?
@Failsafe my business took off when we landed a contract with a large (large!) company for maintaining their internal apps. That was pure fluke, but we were in the right position at the right time to make it work :-]
13:20
pizza shops
were they willing to pay?
what type of work they needed?
nooooo not pizza shops. Aim for local manufacturers, accountants, builders, recruiters.
@Squiggle I was thinking of trying that soon...
yea don't do food
local with ~30 professional staff
13:21
oh
i only did it because 27 shops were signing up
that's the sweet spot to make a difference and to actually have a chance of making money
takeaway owners are ruthless and skinflint. They'll ask the world, pay you pittance and never be happy.
a good place to look is material manufacterers
people who export wood, metal
what type of work will they need?
material manufacturer?
account/banking/employee management
stuff like that
LoB apps
maybe
13:22
oh
edc
edc
not changing the world kind of app, but boring LOB apps
boring LOB apps make the most money
the gov't spends billions on LOB
edc
edc
unfortunately, yes
@Failsafe our 3rd client had 5000 employees :D
nice
13:23
but why will you go to them and tell them oh you need a customized .net application, when you know in reality they just need few salesforce accounts or something similar
Will they fall for it lol
stock control is a sore point for most manufacturers
edc
edc
@Obviously that's the skills of selling. and no, you don't go and tell them they need your software
because they don't know what it takes and you are bringing a solution they will need to expand
edc
edc
you tell them that they shouldn't be comfortable with the current state, and what kind of problems they have
13:24
you need to sell their future business
in order to expand and make more money, you will need something to do x
edc
edc
they will sit back, think about it, if they have the money, they will come back to you for advice, then you can pretty much start your work
But how will you get the business knowledge? you need it before proposing anything? right?
depends
if you are making a timesheet application for a metalworking company
I am sooo going to do it
you don't need to know anything about metalworking
13:26
I am going to hire few interns
and make them do all the marketing and stuff
@Obviously just find a friendly member of back-end staff and the rest is easy
you need a business analyst
or someone who can make a plan
scope
stuff that looks formal
I guess
13:27
if you come to propose something written on a napkin they will laugh haha
it isnt going to be fast
it takes years
but if you can do something and build a reputation and a resume
Are they any regulations or licenses I will need before I start working for these local businesses or I just need a company registered as llc
on average, small business set asides can bring in 2.3M a year
I've become a domain expert in food hygiene, train schedules, recruitment, finance, warehouse management and loads of other stuff just by making software. It's fun :)
your company needs to be allowed to employee people
and it only applies to your state
im pretty sure
13:30
@TomW I thought it was gonna be about icelandic or those kinda languages :(
what like ook?
or brainfuck?
@TomW 40k of C#, 100k of VB.NET. I wonder if that's a good indication of the relative verbosity of keywords between the language.
@Failsafe @Squiggle do you guys try to stick with one language/platform or are you guys flexible?
just do what you do best
spead yourself too thin and you get a maintenance nightmare
@Obviously I've done a lot of stuff, so I can do COBOL through Java, through VB and C# and web components
although I prefer .NET
because I know most of the major frameworks
13:39
Cool, how do you pitch the price for the work you are going to do for a particular client? Like what if you end up asking too much or too less?
well that's why you bid for contracts
@Obviously thats a critical question
it really depends on the work
if you make a mobile app or redesign a websight, you could ask for up to 2-3k
probably
depends on how much money the company has to spend on stuff like that
and how badly they want/need it
How much maximum have you charged a client?
Also do you guys outsource? or have an offshore team?
@Failsafe that's way under!
13:43
@Obviously i think the minimum you should ask for is depending on how much you are comftable with. If you think 25000$ for a mobile app (e.g.) is too much, because you are uncomftable asking for so much money at once, try to break dow your workflow and reflect on how much you need to live your current livestyle
@SebastianL jerry's pottery barn isnt gonna pay 25k for a mobile app lol
@Failsafe then that's not who you want to be pitching to
I just got a friend a gig doing a simple app for £5.5k, we paid £11k for one a few years ago
But it depends the time it will take to develop that app, Like I am okay with developing an app for 6-10k if it takes one month of my time
it really depends on who you are making it for
@Failsafe What about the cost of software/ide licenses and similar stuff, you have to account that too?
13:48
Microsoft BizSpark
@Obviously If you buy software under your company you can write it off
also bizspark
is fantastic
MS give you free shit. It's ace.
free msdn for a year
13:49
Or use free software to have no costs. :p
@RoelvanUden or that, but BizSpark is still a great thang.
i would never make a .NET app in anything other than VS
@Squiggle If it was a thong maybe.
@Failsafe But VS is free for small teams :P
Do you guys outsource or hire a programmer offshore? Like I can hire a programmer offshore for 500$ per month, does this thing works? Or its hard communicating requirments?
although VS community i believe lets you make commercial apps for a team of under 5
im never outsourcing anything
13:50
Why not?
unless i specifically hire them under a subcontracter
because ive seen some shit
anyone try VS Code yet?
500$ per month and you get good quality work
the dude will work 16 hours a day for you
lol
13:51
ive seen people get paid $200 an hour for shit tier work
so
@Obviously I have managed several offshore teams, its cheap, but quality is difficult to find
Does anyone know a faster method to resize a bitmap apart from creating a new instance like that? Bitmap resize= new Bitmap (full,100,100)
I just need to copy the bitmap content but in a smaller dimensions
MS Paint
It's for a screen sharing program so I need something pretty fast ;)
In c#. ..lol
13:53
My last place we had this guy working in off shore, very strong technically, he was used to work like 16hours every day
I guess you just need to find a guy like that
its very very very hard
...way?
Why*
especially with people you never meet
@Slashy sorry i wasnt responding to you haha my bad
@Obviously 16 hours a day sounds horrible
Yeah he was crazy
13:55
@Failsafe haha yeah I got it
@Obviously i work 16h a day usually... not at the same job
unfortunately i enjoy programming
>.>
@Failsafe holy shit that is awful
When do you sleep lol
If you work so many hours a day you must know a better solution for my question ;)
@Failsafe
I can work 20 hours a day if I am working for myself
POW RIGHT IN THE KISSER
13:56
Not gonna work like crazy for someone else shit
no i dont really work 16h a day
its more like 12
I would say only 1 out of 30 offshore contractors are good, and when you find that person... hire them on
like 8-8
i go home at 4
@CharlieBrown Yeah, I've used it for a bit.
and play video games while i program
so

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