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10:20 AM
The ML just sort of exploded with activity the last few days. Been an unusually lively week.
This channel as well.
Not that there is a lot of traffic here, in particular, but usually there is none -- and some is more than none.
 
user4651282
@zxq9 ML?
 
 
user4651282
ah, yes.
 
user4651282
september was most activity period in 2016 year too.
 
Oh?
Wow. It hasn't been the student thing, though. Not on the ML.
Maybe Joe and Richard take a break right then every year?
Hm... wait, that's impossible... ROK is still actively teaching!
Now I want to graph activity on the ML and compare it quarter::quarter and year::year.
hah, hour::hour would be interesting, too.
I think most of the activity happens in the European timezone, but ROK and I skew the statistic towards Asia because we are on there so much.
 
user4651282
10:32 AM
yes, it's expected. Will be interesting compare the decline trend in October.
 
Still never broken 1MB of gzipped text per month. I think ~856k is the highest.
Hah. Yeah.
If I succeed... we should see different patterns eventually.
Not that making the ML busy is a goal of mine, but it is a loose indicator of other activity.
Anyway, I'm still really happy that for the most part, the Erlang community is remarkably deep or at least genuinely interested in tech and fundamental concepts instead of just, in essence, putting tits on the Internet.
 
user4651282
:D
 
user4651282
It is possible to sound snobbish, but this more applies to all the "old" communities (if to speak about programming languages).
 
Hah
Maybe.
So that is part of the rub... how do we expand the community and lower barriers to entry without changing the inner culture too much? You should still care why things are the way they are.
The Elixir community has almost entirely lost this and is (aside from the language itself) a big part of why I avoid it.
 
user4651282
10:48 AM
Good question, I think it's all about self-organization those who are interested in Erlang because I also often hear about rudeness and simplicity (in a bad way) about the Go community from the newcomers.
 
Indeed. That's a sort of tricky one all around.
I like having a socially prickly "old guy" sort of community space, but we also really need a noob-friendly space where people can ask the same question over and over and be politely referred to beginner texts, explained things in a comfortably paced back-and-forth sort of chat or thread.
Rust did a good job, I think, having a #rust channel and a #rust-beginners channel.
Quite a lot of that on the Mozilla IRC network, actually.
 
user4651282
Totally agree. There is one more thing which always concerned about newcomers - the existence of OS projects for practice. So would be great if Erlang community create in github repos or something where maintainers can put some link for simple issues or features.
 
We are definitely a bit thin on noob resources.
I've focused mostly on the intermediate level.
That's because Joe and Fred have covered a lot of the beginner areas (the dangerous bits, anyway) and quite a few advanced architecture and production issues have been covered in books like "OTP in Action".
But there is nothing in the middle, so I've tried to start covering that by taking a single example project through evolutions to being a proper OTP application in Erlmud... but that's been stalled because of real world issues.
There is no money in doing programming books and I have kids. So all of this is waiting on me to create some space and time to finish it. :-/
The repo thing solves a real problem for me right now, so I can spend time on it and it is a win for me, and incidentally a win for Erlangdom in general.
I would like to write a pre-LYSE tutorial series focused around Escripts. To get people in early on using Erlang the way they would be used to using any other language. My repo system and the zx tool do a lot of that for normal OTP style projects as well -- but I have to see how well that is received before I start writing books and whatnot based on it.
 

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