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1:46 AM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 5 mins ago, by bjb568
Election stats: (30 / 32 noms, 3positions)

Matt candidate score 40/40

Ed Cottrell candidate score 33/40

candidate score 17/40

Hemang candidate score 22/40

resh Mayani candidate score 38/40

rekire candidate score 36/40

deceze candidate score 39/40

Raghav Sood candidate score 38/40

Amit Joki candidate score 34/40

slugster candidate score 37/40

hichris123 candidate score 22/40

bjb568 candidate score 21/40

el Irigoyen candidate score 29/40

Andy candidate score 29/40
 
2:36 AM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 10 mins ago, by bjb568
Election stats: (30 / 32 noms, 3 positions)
Matt              41190 40/40
Ed Cottrell       14027 33/40
Shree                5k 17/40
Hemang             7201 22/40
Paresh Mayani     55030 38/40
rekire            18981 36/40
deceze           231027 39/40
Raghav Sood       48177 38/40
Amit Joki         35103 34/40
slugster          29450 37/40
hichris123         5034 22/40
bjb568             4756 21/40
Michael Irigoyen  12173 29/40
Andy              11198 29/40
Undo              11410 30/40
Martijn Pieters  352341 40/40
 
 
2 hours later…
4:18 AM
@AstroCB lel, that one was borked
 
4:33 AM
Whoa @rlemon – I didn't notice that you put a bounty on that question until I went back to improve the answer. I'm adding onto it now; thanks.
 
Astro is pulling ahead in the deathmatch
 
Astro's well ahead
Especially since it appears Astro will be receiving a bounty soon
 
@AstroCB Your conversation with him from the other day is a bit more funny knowing that. :P
 
Ugh, and I recently gave away a bounty.
 
@bjb568 Quite noble
And someone keeps downvoting your questions
 
4:45 AM
Not running this time around @Qantas?
 
@AstroCB I wonder who that might be.
 
@JeremyBanks It is
@bjb568 It's probably xkcdBot
 
COUGH COUGH 17 SOMETHING OR OTHER STACK OVERFLOW CHAT
 
He's angry that you're mimicking him.
 
:p
 
4:46 AM
@Seth: I'm not sure really given that there's several great candidates this time
 
@bjb568 Maybe it's Shog.
 
And I'd be pushing someone else off before it really starts
If I get enough support for it though, sure
 
Can Shog get around serial voting limits?
 
So many good candidates...
 
@Qantas94Heavy Ah. That makes sense.
 
4:47 AM
he could downvote BJB (or whoever) 1000 times
 
@yellowantphil If he gets suspended, he can unsuspend himself.
 
he is almighty
 
@AstroCB he has to stop the serial voting revoker from running on his votes
 
That's why there's never a problem with mods getting review-banned.
 
Serial voting usually doesn't result in a ban, though, just a reversal.
He'd probably have to mess with the database; I doubt they have an "allow serial voting" flag for mods. ;)
 
4:48 AM
True; maybe he can give a bounty to one of the devs as an incentive.
 
I wonder if rep is a signed value in the database
-1 billion rep
 
I think it is signed, though -- maybe the almighty Shog could do it if he were truly offended.
 
I think it's a signed 32-bit int
 
so someday Jon Skeet will overflow and go negative
I don't see how Astro is leading the deathmatch when BJB is answering all the questions
 
Does he have more reputational momentum?
 
4:58 AM
Astro wasn't making a lot of rep before a week ago, but BJB was making none
then BJB gave out a bounty and started answering questions, while Astro just sits back and waits for people to upvote him
 
Well Astro does have a team going for him
so it seems
 
looks that way
must be a large team, to avoid serial voting
 
Well you see a whole bunch of downvotes on bjb's account in the past few days that doesn't seem to relate to usual activity
 
maybe it's the extra scrutiny the candidates are receiving
more people looking at answers helps Astro and not BJB
aaaaand BJB just got bumped
a new candidate appears
 
5:04 AM
one more candidate and the deathmatch won't matter
 
Oh, this user just undeleted their nomination
 
wait... he wants to lose? just to bump bjb?
 
:O
evil
 
@JeremyBanks???
 
> You said yesterday that you wouldn't run because you didn't think you'd make a good moderator. Do you feel differently today? – Michael Myers♦ 2 days ago

@MichaelMyers I do not. – Jeremy Banks 2 days ago
 
5:10 AM
it's gone again
he better not undelete 10 minutes before the primaries start
 
who wants to bet on ^^^
 
Shog should ban him until after the nomination phase
 
@yellowantphil The trouble is that I haven't found any questions worth answering.
bjb, on the other hand, has stated repeatedly that he's answering anything just to get some rep.
 
@AstroCB and it isn't working that well for him, but your entourage has been carrying you
 
@AstroCB regex???
 
5:21 AM
Which is understandable, but it doesn't look too good for him from the POV of those who believe that a mod should be someone actively engaging with the regular community (not just Meta).
I'm not going to go around and write a bunch of terrible answers just to get some rep; if he really wants to pass me, that's fine.
 
meanwhile, Shree wakes from his slumber
he's probably less likely to get forcibly removed now
 
I'm not asking for upvotes, and I don't really know who's boosting my rep.
 
@AstroCB I think it's just people looking over your profile and liking what they find
 
@yellowantphil That's what I'd like to think, but I'm not so sure.
Meanwhile, someone's out to get bjb by downvoting a question or two every other day.
 
@AstroCB do you think it's the anti-BJB crowd? that's the only other explanation I can think of
 
5:24 AM
@yellowantphil It could be, but I doubt they'd care that much to boost me. There are other less shady ways of getting him out of the election if that's their goal.
There are so many people against him in that chatroom (or at least that's how it seemed while they were having public discourse in here and in the Tavern) that if they each did a downvote or two every day, he'd have lost 100 rep by now.
 
And at this rate, both of us are going to be out by the time primaries roll around, anyway.
 
:(
 
especially if Jeremy comes back at the last minute
 
I just realized that @bjb and I aren't just in a rep deathmatch – our badge counts are also eerily similar.
 
5:30 AM
*our
 
:o
Socks!
 
yeah, I noticed that. Astro needs one more badge
 
We should merge!
 
and become more powerful than you can possibly imagine?
 
5:31 AM
And then we'd have enough rep to not drop out.
 
@yellowantphil I have one silver for his bronze, so we actually have the same number of badges.
 
@yellowantphil bwahahahahaha
 
"Um, excuse me, Shog? Yeah, Martijin's account is actually mine, too—I accidentally made another account... whoops! Could you just merge that one into my new one? Thanks!"
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"While you're at it, just throw in Jon Skeet, too."
 
@AstroCB lol, I was literally thinking about adding that xD
@AstroCB It'd give it away, of course—after I'll I'd never dare to touch C# questions. ;)
 
5:34 AM
@AstroCB you could get promoter easily enough. "Reason for offering a bounty: uhhh, I wanted a badge..."
 
@yellowantphil But then the rep war would be compromised!!
 
oh right, you lose rep immediately
I was thinking it didn't get taken out until it's awarded
 
AstroCB would still be ahead though
given his current rate of votes
 
hmm, I have at least one badge that @AstroCB doesn't: Analytical
@AstroCB you can gain Disciplined. Delete one of your answers, wait for the badge, and then undelete it
that's how I got that badge >.>
 
Seems unethical, but that's pretty easy.
 
5:40 AM
lol, I have 83 bronze badges
but only 6 golds
 
doesn't seem too unethical
 
@yellowantphil I would never do that to Astro.
 
how about BJB?
 
I would never do that to Astro.
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I think the election can do without joke nominations
 
5:45 AM
Wow, I haven't answered a question for a very long time. ... It's a lot of fun. :p
 
@JeremyBanks Feel free; you'd probably have a better chance at winning than I do.
> Thanks for good comment. I fully agree with @peterh .New view point and concept are always needed . – Shree 24 mins ago
Well, that didn't resolve much.
 
it showed that Shree is still alive, and apparently not willing to give up
 
I know that timezone is important for handling flag load, but communication skills are a big issue for people who normally nominate from that timezone because they're not typically native English speakers.
If you're going to wait two days to respond to comments on your nomination post (and even then, not respond to the comments), I can see both communication and activity level being an issue.
 
@AstroCB I always feel kind of guilty bagging on people for using poor English when it isn't their first language. I know exactly one language, and that's English, only because I've grown up in the US. It feels unfair to get upset at people for not perfectly learning some entirely new natural language just to participate on the site.
That said, English is the lingua franca of the programming world, and it's the only way we can really communicate.
I don't really know. I don't like the status quo, but I don't see any way to solve it.
 
There are good candidates in Asian timezones that type English well
 
5:51 AM
@AlexisKing Same, and we're lucky to speak it natively (I can't imagine programming in a world where the default vernacular language is something different), but being a mod requires good communication skills and that's simply part of the job description.
 
although typing perfect Indian English would baffle a lot of people who aren't from India
 
@AstroCB I'm not disagreeing. Just musing, really.
 
fun fact: alphabet means letter in Indian English
 
@yellowantphil A lot of east Asian countries teach English in the school system.
That's not so common in India.
English is a very popular language around the world, though – I feel so biased saying anything about languages in general.
 
surely they teach English in India... it's one of their official languages
 
5:54 AM
@yellowantphil They do, but it's not as common.
 
@yellowantphil They'd still be speaking their primary language other than English in real life, which gives them less ability to.
 
interesting
 
Well depends what you mean by "Asian" timezones
 
between Europe and the Pacific
but I didn't browse the candidate list to make sure that my impression was correct
... if that last post was directed at me
anyway, I am out of here. it's too late in my non-Asian timezone
 
Ouch, I'm in the Asian timezone then :p
 
6:06 AM
@AstroCB I would suspect it's because teh interwebs are an expensive commodity in Nepal. Which of course doesn't lend itself well to fully committing to mod duties.
 
@slugster That's possibly an issue, but his profile shows him being active on the site off and on during that two-day period when he didn't respond to the comments, so I don't know what's up with that.
 
6:19 AM
@rlemon Added a JavaScript for Automation segment; I'll add a Node example tomorrow.
 
6:53 AM
Hello, hello! Um... Does anyone know where I can get a Stack Overflow tee shirt?
 
@Unihedro: I can sell one to you for 2 million Unicorn dollars, but I'm not sure if it'd fit you.
 
@Unihedro They don't sell them any more.
You can only get them as swag, and they hand out a lot more Stack Exchange stuff than Stack Overflow stuff these days.
The winner of the election might get one. :P
 
That's what makes them so valuable.
I wonder how much money Jon Skeet could sell that painting for...
 
@Unihedro I've got two - but one is already in the post - sorry
 
7:12 AM
@JonClements Stack Overflow, or Stack Exchange?
 
@Jeremy SO
 
Very nice!
 
7:28 AM
@AstroCB: context for the PeterH comments: Peter feels that the status quo is all being too mean to everyone, and that things need to change radically. Moreover, the status quo is set by a clique of closely knit friends that no-one else can get into unless they agree with said status quo. Everyone that disagrees is bullied out, oppressed, tyrannised.
 
^_^
 
@AstroCB: I once called him out on soapboxing this view all over his Meta posts.
we had long, looooong comment discussions, and what we have here is a real life honest to goodness Denis the Constitutional Peasant.
His comment on my nomination is illustrative. I'll see if I can find the (deleted) meta discussion we had.
Hopefully he just deleted the post (an answer of his) and not also his comments on it.
his old username is PeterHorvarth.
Question he posted before, I think I referenced it: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285989/…
Looking over his meta interactions some more I'd say he is a typical Axe Grinder.
Ah, bingo! 10k+ only, this is why he brands me the symbol of the bootlicking and the power misuse: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285023/…
Which is not much help to @AstroB, if this becomes an issue I'll post it to a gist or something.
 
8:09 AM
@MartijnPieters - I think you handled that situation in comments very well.
 
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Q: StackOverflow Election Spacing Issue

Raghav SoodOn the primary page, there's a missing space in: Please note that due to the large number of nominees, only the top 30 nominees by reputation are currently eligible and displayedsee all 32 nominees It would be nice if this could be fixed. Ideally, it would read: Please note that due t...

 
8:53 AM
Good luck @JeremyBanks didn't know you were running
 
Not 100% sure whether he'll withdraw again before the primaries though...'
 
@MartijnPieters can I have some context - the status quo where?
oh wow
 
I'm surprised
Looking back, it seems that the candidates when I stood last year were stronger than this years according to score
Certainly doesn't feel like that to me
 
:p
 
9:23 AM
I think this year you have a few "blips" @Qantas94Heavy
But other than that, most of the others don't seem extraordinary.
 
@GamesBrainiac: what you mean by "blips"?
 
Certain extremely strong candidates who are guaranteed to win on the basis of their actions alone.
 
Well I haven't nominated myself yet, so...
I'll have to see.
 
Are there any obvious blops? Users that are definitely going to fail
 
Quite a few this year I'd say
 
9:27 AM
Yes, quite a few.
 
Even excluding those that won't make it to primaries at this stage
 
I genuinely wish Jon Clements makes mod this year. He most certainly deserves it.
 
9:43 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Status Quo == current community moderation practices vis-a-vis new users.
Where he wants new users to be given a break regardless of question quality.
With a dash of painting the current community moderators and those that support the 'status quo' as a tyrannical power-hungry clique.
Some of the comments PeterH made in the comment thread on the deleted post have been removed by him, so this isn't perhaps clear there.
(Or so I believe he did, I could be mis-remembering things).
Anywho, PeterH has an axe to grind and is looking for moderator candidates that agree with him.
I'm not that candidate (as evidenced by his comment on my nomination).
But because he appears to fear for his account and that comment and for his voice to be oppressed, I thought I'd give his opinions a little exposure here to ensure that it isn't lost.
@AlexisKing Shog: Suuuure, Alex. Now, how do you spell your other account's name again? :-P
 
I can't speak for moderators, but SO has become progressively meaner towards newbies.
 
s/newbies/everyone else/
 
@Unihedro I guess thats arguably true as well.
 
:p
 
I don't like you. Go away! :P
 
10:00 AM
@MartijnPieters if someone wants to make a friendlier-to-new-users stackoverflow they can actively do it by editing and commenting and writing guides and meta questions and answers.
I'm not sure what the 'clique' is, when I joined (pretty late) I don't remember anything like it. Then again I don't have a lot of extreme views
 
10:19 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't think there is a clique either, but Peter is convinced there is.
 
@MartijnPieters My experience in open source projects tells me that it's worth hearing these people out - even when it's tedious and time consuming and annoying as hell sometimes. It's just a lot easier to hear them out when they do something about what they think the problem is rather than just complain.
I think SO is pretty friendly overall
Especially after looking at SF yesterday, wow.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I quite agree! Which is why I tried to engage him in discussions.
 
You don't have to convince me, you have my vote already :P
 
My issue was that he brought along his axe to grind into support issues where it was entirely inappropriate and confusing the user that asked the support question.
:-) Not trying to convince you, just discussing context around comments on the nominations. :-)
 
Yeah, I agree. Passionate people tend to cross lines too often.
 
10:29 AM
Given that he left a little love-note on my nomination and is actively engaging in the election, I felt some context was helpful there.
 
Yeah, thanks for that
 
10:55 AM
@Martijn when you refer to "that troll" - are talking about the same individual that also started threatening me on twitter?
 
@JonClements yes, that's the one.
The one I had to file a police report about.
 
(just checking - that fella had not only a screw loose - but a whole set)
 
@MartijnPieters oh cool, I got death threats too! And emails to my company. We had a good laugh about it.
(The death threats weren't scary enough to file a report or anything though)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum when a troll starts looking over your twitter account to find family members to threaten, it is a little harder to laugh off.
 
@MartijnPieters yeah, I guess I'm just more used to it - maybe it's the same troll who knows.
 
11:03 AM
I know myself that this specific person is too far away to ever make good on those threats, but it is upsetting for my family.
In any case, that specific troll has, for now, moved on elsewhere. I haven't seen them around for a while now.
 
@MartijnPieters is your lucky bachelor the swastika guy?
Because if he's really bothering you I'm pretty sure I tracked him down (street address, full name etc in Turkey) at some point
I've found that the scariest thing you can do to trolls in the JS room is to send a transcript of the conversation to their parents. Never followed through but it always gets people to stop
 
Welcome to the Stack Overflow 2015 Moderator Election Chat. New and totally irrelevant topics every day!
 
Trolls are a relevant topic to the election
 
I mean, the topics are mostly irrelevant to each other.
BFN
 
Ah, unrelated perhaps?
 
11:06 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's one of his manifestations, yes. If yours is in Turkey too, that'd be a huge coincidence :-P
 
looks like I missed exciting things while I was on vacation :D
 
If you found his parents then that's a great stick behind the door to have.
 
@MartijnPieters yeah, he's been bothering SomeKittens and rlemon too, he's a pretty big douche but also a pretty terrible troll. I would not worry about it if I were you.
 
As I said, I'm not worried about him.
 
11:07 AM
But my family don't know enough of the context to not worry.
 
He was a class a douche, the Python room is mostly clean and polite - it's surprising he went there.
 
Not that they are worried now.
 
Yeah, it's a pretty douche move on his side to find your family
 
He was using the Python tag a lot to try and reel in punters for his 'discussions'.
And I was getting too effective in shutting them down again.
 
We really need a shadow-ban ability. That'd be so much better than what we have for dealing with trolls.
User's comments and actions and chat message are only visible to said user and people from his ip or something like that.
 
11:15 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum You mean hellban?
 
Yeah, we have those?
 
A hell-ban, yes. We don't have those.
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I believe Jeff wrote an article about it...
 
11:18 AM
@Unihedro that'd be the one... I should have a smaller bookmark list ;)
 
> A hellbanned user is invisible to all other users, but crucially, not himself. From their perspective, they are participating normally in the community but nobody ever responds to them. They can no longer disrupt the community because they are effectively a ghost. It's a clever way of enforcing the "don't feed the troll" rule in the community. When nothing they post ever gets a response, a hellbanned user is likely to get bored or frustrated and leave. I believe it, too; if I learned anything from reading The Great Brain as a child, it's that the silent treatment is the cruelest punishmen
That's the relevant quote :p
@JonClements Oh, I just looked it up with an internet search. :)
 
So why don't we have hell bans?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "Because we try to hew so closely to the real world model of democracy with Stack Exchange, I'm not quite sure how I feel about these sorts of reality-altering tricks that are impossible in the world of atoms. On some level, they feel disingenuous to me. And it's a bit like wishing users into the cornfield with superhuman powers far beyond the ken of normal people."
There are counter arguments, but Jeff was not comfortable about it. So it wasn't added.
 
Maybe it should be discussed again
 
I think I agree with Jeff here.
I instead have done my utmost to train the Python chatroom to recognize trolls and help shut them down fast and with the minimum of fuss.
 
11:25 AM
In all honesty, suspension is too light. Realistically, it works, despite not being perfect. There are too many people to warrant ethereal dealings to individual users.
Though, every community is different.
 
@Unihedro I've seen suspension work, eventually.
But sometimes because the suspension is counted in decades, not a year..
 
Stack Exchange is supposed to be professional, so the current tools are indirect - chat, moderator messaging, suspensions and community force.
@MartijnPieters They'd make a new account and start again. With low reputation to start with, they'd start with little influential force, which hinders their ability to do anything serious again, but it doesn't stop them from contributing if they behave in new accounts.
 
@Unihedro If they behave and are now good members of the community, mission accomplished.
 
@MartijnPieters Well, if they don't, they're in the penalty box.
The harm they can do is nullified, mission also accomplished.
 
I know of one specific case (an ex-co-worker of mine, in fact) that was given second, third and more chances to clean up their act, and each time they showed that they hadn't learned the lesson the account was simply merged with the already suspended account.
 
11:31 AM
See, suspensions aren't that bad after all. :p
 
That account has now been 'temporarily' suspended for the next few decades, network wide. Sad case that one, someone that turns into a monster when the Internet is involved.
Yes, I am arguing that suspensions work, definitely! Either to reform the user, or at the very least, protect the rest of the community.
 
It also ties with the real world model of jailing. :)
Our other point to consider, however, is that hellbanning (and related "superpower" punishments) will be way more effective than suspensions. Which I won't disagree, but it's too much effort (software change & policy change) to be worth it.
This conversation should move to communitybuilding.SE, :p
 
I'm not sure it'll actually be effective. Imagine the technically savvy internet user that created an extra account and can see his other posts disappear with the account switch. Followed by a Meta post to ask about this, and the eventual having-to-fess-up stage where the hell-ban is admitted.
Well, since this is about moderation on Stack Overflow, and this is an election, this is perfectly on-topic here and now, I'd say. :-)
 
agrees
@MartijnPieters Eh, by asking that, they'd be admitting to sock-puppetry.
 
@Unihedro Is it sock-puppetry when those accounts otherwise did not interact and they don't know they were hell-banned?
 
11:37 AM
@MartijnPieters Eh, they achieve what they wouldn't have been able to do otherwise with that account.
Voting multiple times, hording comment flags to nuke comments, etc.
 
I have a test account, at rep 1, to verify what the site looks like at such a low level of rep. I don't post with it, or vote with it, or anything else. But I could use it to detect if I were hell-banned..
@Unihedro That's what I am saying, what if they had not done any of that?
 
Um...
I don't know anymore.
 
11:50 AM
Do you think that's air you're breathing now? :p
Oh dear... might have to withdraw from the election and throw myself into the "make Matrix quotes" FT staff
 
@MartijnPieters co-worker o_0?
Seriously
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes, we used to work together well before Stack Overflow started.
 
@MartijnPieters how would a professional not understand how SO works? o_0
 
He's a very kind and friendly guy. Until you put him into IRC or on Stack Overflow and a certain impatience with new users creeps in.
 
Oh, I thought you meant he was banned for not understanding the site, not that he was rude to new users
 
12:00 PM
He was invariably rude, dismissive, abusive. New accounts would start out alright, then descend into hell after a while.
A OSS foundation had to officially ban him from their IRC channel. He was very prolific and well known, but that tendency just kept on poisoning the well.
 
I've always found it weird how being at a keyboard (or I suppose, I should say a "device" these days) - makes you act any differently than you would with anyone in person
 
And in the end I knew a new account was about when I'd get unexpected downvotes a lot. I simply had to correlate the votes with posts where the other account had commented or answered or even asked the question.
 
@JonClements so true :(
 
@MartijnPieters ew
 
Yeah, I think it became personal to them.
 
12:04 PM
@Martijn is this still the same one as the one that kept tweeting me "I know where you live..." etc...
 
@JonClements no.
 
oh - the other one... I'm still jealous you have so many "fan"s :)
 
Me rather be rich than famous :p
Whoops, getting off-topic here.
 
@JonClements Simply the artifacts of several years of activity, I think.
Roight, time to appease the better half and mow the lawn like she asked me to do.
 
:)
 
12:08 PM
@Martijn it never works - but invoke the equal rights philosophy... etc... :)
(actually no don't do that - we have a lot of people gunning for you in this election, and I don't want to read the Cambridge newspapers about a murder)
 
@JonClements Me neither :(
 
12:34 PM
Morning
 
Morning, user.
 
@PeeHaa big struggle to not say "cbg", but err, "greetings" :P
 
@JonClements It's OK to speak Salad here. :p
 
@JonClements I one-upped the game by also doing the breakfast dishes instead.
 
@MartijnPieters ohhh sweet!
 
12:50 PM
Still not sure why Jeremy is standing. He is basically saying that a vote for him is a wasted vote if 40/40 score candidates do well enough.
 
I don't like how their perspective of running is simply "for the lulz", but I'm not particularly against either. The system allowed them to do that.
 
Sure. It is not winning my vote however.
 
same :)
 
Is he also maybe trying to push out lower rep users (getting them out of the 30 for the primaries)
 
Well, he kicked out bjb.
 
12:59 PM
:(
 
7 hours ago, by Jeremy Banks
@yellowantphil I would never do that to Astro.
@Ffisegydd: you might want to take a look at that small conversation
 
@JonClements :)
 
1:16 PM
@MartijnPieters Just read through that and the comment thread... I'm err.... bazzled...
 
@Qantas94Heavy so he'll withdraw again if a 34th candidate was added?
 
@MartijnPieters: I don't the slightest clue what he'll do then.
All I know is that he avoided the question about BJB
 
he says he'll drop out if he would block a 40/40 from running
 
All I know about Jeremy is his G+ posts and his posts on SO, and his stuff (well noted) on some SE security issues
(and his previous comments about election stuff)
 
Well there are only 5 candidates with 40/40, so that's not really saying much
and if he proceeds to the election phase, he'd have no idea of knowing whether he was blocking until it's too late
 
1:22 PM
so yeah... he has a right to run, so does anyone with "suitable" qualifications, just seems out of character
 
can you withdraw during the election phase?
 
I know you can during primaries, but no idea about the election phase
@yellowantphil I don't think you can
 
@yellowantphil You can resign immediately after, but you cannot withdraw after you make it into Primary.
 
@Unihedro: you can withdraw in primary, but not in election
 
@Qantas94Heavy ?!
I should go read up on how the election works (again), I keep messing it up... -_-
 
1:29 PM
On the sidebar it says you can
 
ohhhhh
 
can they un-withdraw? say they get a lot of early votes and then delete their nomination
during primaries
 
1:47 PM
@yellowantphil: you could ask that on Meta, I've tried searching and I couldn't find anything on that.
 
I feel like Jeremy will answer the question by demonstration soon enough :-\
 
2:08 PM
Ello!
 
Hey, user.
 
@MartijnPieters He sounds a tad bitter about the way his post was received; I'm sure he's just transferring that to you. He's pretty much the only person who's said that s/he won't vote for you at this point.
 
^^^ lol
 
@AstroCB You cannot see that deleted post; in that conversation I was cemented in his mind as part of the establishment they are now working to overthrow. That's because I called them out on their axe-grinding in the wrong place.
 
@MartijnPieters Ah; I do wonder if, with the number of users in that category, some candidate with enough support would be able to win on that platform.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Apr 6 at 23:33, by AstroCB
@JeremyBanks "We need a leader – a leader to bind us together and to fight [in background: to fight] against the tyranny of the oppressive community moderators who step on us day and night, closing and deleting to their heart's content. Now who's with me?! [loud cheering]"
 
2:20 PM
All the best for all the nominees.
 
Thanks!
 
hi
 
Hiya!
 
Any candidate could delete and then undelete their nomination, and get moved to the top of the list. Doesn't seem right.
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@yellowantphil But being on top isn't fun.
 
2:22 PM
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@yellowantphil In the next phase, it's random
 
@AstroCB That'd be a tall order though, as the platform is so far only supported by new users without much insight into the challenges that the volume of Stack Overflow brings with it.
It's a very naive POV, to think that all new users need is more leeway on the quality side of things.
 
That's true. I'm pretty sure a majority of the voting population is in agreement with current moderation policy.
 
@AstroCB if they weren't, they would be less likely to stay here
 
2:43 PM
@Qantas94Heavy who?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: sorry, what are you referring to?
 
@Qantas94Heavy bjb wasn't gonna win anyway.
@Qantas94Heavy I was too lazy to look and wondered if you knew them by name.
 
I know no one.
 
Speaking of which - why are you not running this time?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: well I don't really think there's much hope for me given there are at least three great candidates this time around.
 
2:47 PM
You can still throw your name in the hat, if you win we get a great mod, if you lose no harm is done.
If you want to run in the future, all it does is help you - that said - it's your choice.
 
There's still time for me to run, I might still di ot.
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Nice spoonerism there, @Qantas
 
I think that more users should view this forum, there is a lot of information here that reveals the process.
 
What do you think about the current election method of selecting the top 3 people? Do you think it would be better to place all ten in order of preference?
 
2:56 PM
@Qantas94Heavy Arrow's theorem
 
I'd be an optimist and hope that they call up more than three people to be moderators "par demand", since we have lots of brilliant people running this year.
 
Or... Gibbard Satterthwaite, same thing
 
The more the merrier. :p
 
@Qantas94Heavy the STV method is very effective at handling this election.
I don't see any advantage to ranking 10 people. We are electing for 3 positions here.
 
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