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1:24 AM
lool this so cool
 
what do you mean dodgy?
you just have to read the proper message and format it correctly
also, I would like to request a different format
Wietlol: Like this
 
 
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3:01 AM
 
@Feeds Shut It!
 
 
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@Feeds Quiet you!
 
6:01 AM
posted on November 12, 2020 by Scott Hanselman

I've talked about the dotnet-outdated tool before but now it's, ahem, outdated. It's moved to new owners so head over to your command line and update "dotnet-outdated" like this: dotnet tool uninstall --global dotnet-outdated dotnet tool install --global dotnet-outdated-tool Just copy paste those and you'll be updated. Yes, it's changed it's moniker but the tool is the same and you still invoke

 
@Feeds SHHH!
 
 
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7:29 AM
morning
 
7:42 AM
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' neglecterinos!
 
أهلا وسهلا
 
‮‮!dnuora yaw thgir eht kool ti ekam ot retcarahc edocinU RTL eht esu neht dna esrever ni etirw ylpmis tsuj nac eno selur tahC OS eht emocrevo oT
‮!sdik aedi lufrednow a dah tsuj I
‮:knorts: "!ti rof thgif s'tel ,thgir namuh a si xeS" :ekil stnemetas ekam dna sdrow dirroh fo stros lla etirw nac I woN
 
good morning
 
How to do:
Step 1) reverse text here or any other way u like https://www.browserling.com/tools/text-reverse
Step 2) Copy paste the RTL Mark at the beginigng of the reversed sentence https://unicode.flopp.net/c/202E
Step 3) Copy and paste the message into SO
Step 4) Wait to see if you get banned
Step 5) ...
Step 6) Profit!
@Wietlol I was against htis, cuz i think it's clearer if one writes that it's from discord.
It's called DAU in german - dümmster anzunehmender user
 
8:25 AM
good morning or morning-equivalent time-of-day.
 
Good morning
Long time no see Avner, how's it going over there?
Behind The Google
 
More of the same. Still working from home, but not all bad.
 
I started my bachelors and was today simultaneously listening to the lecture on twitch and riding my bike to the doctor. Amazing times.
 
Oh, good luck with that. What are you studying?
 
Applied informatics
 
8:28 AM
Have absolutely no idea what that means.
 
I'm mostly afraid of maths lol
Informatics mostly without building software for microcontrollers or other machinery, but high level basically.
 
I hope that, in a couple of years, I'll have the peace of mind and space to breathe to get back to the master's degree I never finished. Or a different one, whatever.
 
Which field was that?
 
STS. Science, Technology and Society.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan you'll need a next dimension for that...
 
8:30 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan avnir♥
 
My unwritten thesis was in the field of the history of technology and digital society.
 
Oh sounds interesting. Is it 2 years too? I don't know about you, but over here studying now might be a good idea because of the state being in a supportive mood lately.
 
@ntohl Hey, the kids are growing up, work is growing stable (generally, except that I just started a new project) and modern medication can really help!
@Squirrelkiller It can be 2 years. Though when you do it alongside a fulltime job and a family it can take longer. Also, I dropped out before writing my thesis, so...
 
Ah but that means you can use the credits from before and skip a few topics?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I like the modern medication part :)
 
8:33 AM
@Squirrelkiller Probably not, because too long has passed. If I try to reregister at the same department they might make some exemptions, but by the time I do it, more than 10 years will have passed, so I'll probably start anew. No matter. Learning is fun, especially when it's not something I need to complete for my career.
@ntohl Better living through chemistry.
 
not long time ago we could not drink coffee... Imagine programming without coffee 100 years ago...
 
I see. I'm doing full time bachelors and make some money with the same company as before, they're clear that I will always put my learning first, so I will reduce hours when it gets hard. Hoping to do it in default planned study time of 3 years. Got an advantage in the beginning because of the apprenticeship and professional experience anyway.
Wouldn't it be similar for you, having way more professional experience than me?
@ntohl Wait what
 
Hello friends!
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Morning all
 
Wait what
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] ya
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] There's a discord relay now
 
8:38 AM
Oh shit
 
mr5
hey look, it's avnir!
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] It's a little buggy tho
 
mr5
nice feature @CaptainObvious
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Thanks
 
@ntohl I'm sure a quick historical review will show a clear correlation between the adoption of complex logical engines, even before digital computers, and the availability of coffee.
 
8:40 AM
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] I treid to use this feature this mronign lee, it was bork!
 
mr5
SO might eventually relay their chats there too if there's enough support from other rooms as well.
 
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] Actually bottler was deaded
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Yeah I know
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] It stopped for some reason
 
@mr5 Last I checked, SO were decidedly against investing any effort in chat.
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] ^^^^
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] Yeah avnir, they also started banning people fo rbad readsons
 
We need a good argument to make SO chat OSS so we can contribute ourselves
 
8:42 AM
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Hence the discord
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] offtopic talk that used naughty words
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] And apparently posting (on-topic meta) memes is inappropriate
 
^and this
 
Careful guys, if you say a bad word on Discord you will get all of you Spalters banned as Botler will be gone^^
 
47 mins ago, by Squirrel in training
How to do:
Step 1) reverse text here or any other way u like https://www.browserling.com/tools/text-reverse
Step 2) Copy paste the RTL Mark at the beginigng of the reversed sentence https://unicode.flopp.net/c/202E
Step 3) Copy and paste the message into SO
Step 4) Wait to see if you get banned
Step 5) ...
Step 6) Profit!
another work around btw.
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] YIKES
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] Well this looks perfectrly fine in discord
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Yeah that's something I was going to take a quick go at the morning
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan good Ignobel content
 
8:45 AM
\[**SiT # 2** *(on [Discord](https://discord.gg/PNMq3pBSUe))*] Btw.
I helped yesterday!

I was in voicechat with lee saying things like "you go girl"
And "you can do it"
 
mr5
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yeah I saw that meta post too. I feel like there's a lot of potential in chat feature they're missing since Q&A here are regarded as not professional 👀
 
does SO still suggests starting a chat when too many comments?
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Yes
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] I think that's the only way they actually promote chat
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] WHen the comments on a q/a get too long
 
then they should invest in it...
 
@mr5 It's not about professionalism, it's about focus - chat does little for their core product and their bottom line, while opening them up to more hassles about moderation. It's an important tool for moderators and community management (comment follow-ups, meta discussions, etc) which is why it was developed in the first place, but they don't want to actually have it be a Discord or Slack.
 
8:47 AM
it's essentially, if you communicate too much we don't even want to hear about you. Get lost
 
[Hozuki Ferrari (on Discord)] Then it would be better to strip it out entirely. Now it's half-assed. And that's fine. It's okay. But the rules seem to change constantly and we can't even properly use chat without getting a ban or whatnot.
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] If they didn't want a chat maybe they shouldn't have called it chat
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] ^ what roel says.
 
@Squirrelintraining Link in statboard outdated, use the one in the messages/descirption instead
 
Hallo Leute
 
[Hozuki Ferrari (on Discord)] Don't get me wrong. I like SO chat. Hence I've been there for, what, 10 years? The big problem is that nobody can agree on what is acceptable and what is not and everything feels arbitrary. Like, you're left to the whims of whoever is in charge that month. That's how it feels. And it saddens me.
2
 
Hello humans :D
 
8:49 AM
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] Hey turtle
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Hello!
 
yeah. They should call it "please continue your communication in the Dumpster"
 
botler?!
 
but what is acceptable has always been "what you would say to your coworkers in the office"
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Aye, it is a bot
\[**SiT # 2** *(on [Discord](https://discord.gg/PNMq3pBSUe))*] > Don't get me wrong. I like SO chat. Hence I've been there for, what, 10 years? The big problem is that nobody can agree on what is acceptable and what is not and everything feels arbitrary. Like, you're left to the whims of whoever is in charge that month. That's how it feels. And it saddens me.
<@!668405888956104744> pin that message please, I cant do it on this account
 
Avoid coworkers, avoid companies. :D
best advice ;)
 
8:51 AM
why the fuck not
honestly, overrated
 
@misha130 that's exactly what Roel said. Just change companies every month. You will be surprised what is the common language in each company, and what is allowed to say to coworker and what is not
 
mr5
@kame avoid work too ^^
 
:D
 
its very arbitrary yes
 
But don't do it like Trump
;)
 
8:52 AM
like in this company I'm working in it's incredibly common to use swear words
 
sometimes you have a bunch of frat boys or a bunch of hipsters
 
@Botler Exactly. They won't invest in it because they don't want it, but they won't kill it either because, well, because there are hundreds of people who use it every day and they don't want to arbitrarily kill it off. So it's in this half-assed limbo.
 
more like dozens of people
 
and they don't have alternative dumpster to pipe the communication to... You can't` > dev/null` real life communiaction
 
@misha130 Don't forget that there's chat.stackexchange.com as well, with the non-technical chat rooms.
 
8:54 AM
Imagine all the people here in the chat in one company and nobody else. Interesting experiment :D
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan hundreds? more like tens
letely
 
F# chat kek dead entirely
 
I think its all collectively below a 100 if I try to count
 
it's gone
 
a lot of bots too
 
8:56 AM
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] yeah
[Hozuki Ferrari (on Discord)] Bots are the future, no?
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] ever since cap left the bot had had a major part of so life
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] bots*
 
requesta de pace
 
mr5
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan ohh I didn't know that one. How is that different to chat.so?
 
I found F# again
 
Yo guys, I would suggest changing the (on Discord) link to the chat message where it has the discord info.
 
@mr5 chat.so hosts the chat rooms for the original trinity - Stack Overflow, SuperUser and ServerFault. chat.se hosts the rooms for every other site.
They're separate for historical reasons, but they never bothered merging them.
 
8:58 AM
Frendall would say: Better use Haskell, F# gets treated like the ugly step sister of C# anyway.
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Oh I didn't know chat.so had the rooms for those two
 
mr5
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan ohhh now I get it.
 
Oh, I see my information is out of date. It looks like SF and SU chatrooms have migrated to chat.se after all.
so only SO chats are on this server.
 
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] > Yo guys, I would suggest changing the (on Discord) link to the chat message where it has the discord info.
[SiT # 2 (on Discord)] ALl of you aint got no taste!
 
In fairness that's a different request
I'm not sure we have a proper message explaining why we moved to discord though
 
9:09 AM
It's in the room description I guess?
 
> Due to recent ban waves, here's a link to our community discord discord.gg/PNMq3pBSUe
Can't be bothered to retell and proeprly link every incident we had in the last week or two.
It was just silly.
 
Yes it was
 
The hight for me was being banned for using the quote in this style
23 secs ago, by Squirrel in training
It was just silly.
And adding "I am innocent" afterwards.
 
@Squirrelintraining Maybe we should log it on the Github Repo so when we need it we can just go "here's a list of 20 occasions, please chill out a bit"
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] O NO A ONEBOX
 
9:11 AM
@Squirrelkiller you could also just create convos in SO chat
 
Yeah but the convos have to be contiguous
So we'd just end up with loads of htem
 
Not helpful to log specific occasions over several days or weeks though
 
@CaptainObvious yes, no difference.
 
[Captain Obvious (on Discord)] Right nobody say anything important, I'm updating the relay
[Hozuki Ferrari (on Discord)] Anything important
 
botler, shutdown
 
9:21 AM
Well thanks, Captain Obvious. You broke me.

System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Length cannot be less than zero. (Parameter 'length')
   at System.String.Substring(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length)
   at StackoverflowChatbot.EventData.get_CommandName() in D:\a\1\s\StackoverflowChatbot\EventData.cs:line 29
   at StackoverflowChatbot.CommandProcessors.PriorityProcessor.TryGetNativeCommand(EventData data, IAction& action) in D:\a\1\s\StackoverflowChatbot\CommandProcessors\PriorityProcessor.cs:line 85
 
Spectacular
@Squirrelkiller fix your shit
 
revert his code if it is börk
 
Mostly nametags, html encoding in S=>D and onebox spoilering
botler, shutdown aa
 
I'll be back... (but in the sandbox so you'll have to invite me back here in a minute)
 
9:22 AM
Wait didn't I already fix this one
 
I would but he did it on one massive commit
If you did you didn't push it
 
can you link the code that börked?
 
that is the github
not the line of code that is börk
 
See stack trace for line of code
 
9:26 AM
im lazy :D
 
Also I apparently the config.json is mangled now
 
Lol you're right I got a branch locally
 
Hello friends!
 
I could share with you my parser, but it isnt in C#
luckily, I didnt yet convert it to my lexer/parser yet :D
it is just a bunch of regexes
 
[Captain Obvious] Yay regexz
 
9:36 AM
well... there is one particular thing that regex cant do afaik
commandCall : prefix (commandOptions=commandOption)* commandName=&word (argumentText=.+)? ;
prefix : 'botler, ' ;
commandOption : '-' name=&word ('=' value=&string) ;
that would be the command definition mostly
it would parse something like
> botler, -opt.room=1 echo this is in the sandbox
the options are placed in front of the command name to avoid ambiguity
but regex cannot capture a repeating group
 
[Captain Obvious] Right lads
[Captain Obvious] I'm gonna have to regex the onebox parsing
 
why?
 
[Captain Obvious] Which means I'm parsing some very predictable html
[Captain Obvious] Because stackoverflow is terrible
 
why one-boxing tho?
 
this is stupid
 
9:45 AM
SO gives you all the information required
there is a class on the one-box element
 
[Captain Obvious] It does not
[Captain Obvious] The json of the message does not contain the original message
 
true
but you can get the raw message from SO
 
Can a discord bot handle private messages? I was thinking on an authentication schema (PM the bot some secret the bot could lookup internally and give privileges)
 
9:48 AM
[Captain Obvious] For what
 
Not for Botler, for another bot
 
[Captain Obvious] Oh, yeah the discord APIs are absolutely nuts
 
I am not familiar with discord.net API, that is why I was asking xD
 
why doesnt ans return here? Use of unassigned local variable `ans'
 
9:49 AM
[Captain Obvious] There's a couple of decent SDKs to work with too. This one uses discord.net
[Captain Obvious] @Trajan I'm not sure, looks good to me
 
@Trajan If the sentence is empty, ans stays null. You don't have the return type declared as string? so I guess it won't let you return a possible null.
 
@Trajan debug it
 
Of course this only holds true if you have nullable references enabled.
 
[SiT # 2] Lee fix the formatiing in there
 
it is unassigned
 
[Captain Obvious] I'm working on it, I'm trying to regex code blocks out
 
there is a possibility that ans will never be assigned
 
[SiT # 2] > if (str.Length % 2 == 0){
[SiT # 2] börk
 
also that
 
Declare it as string ans = string.Empty
 
9:54 AM
Thathswhy debug
 
@Squirrelkiller that depends
 
on how the function should behave if an empty string is passed
 
It always does
 
thanks guys works, but fails most tests
 
9:55 AM
if it should return null in that case, then assigning it to String.Empty is silly :D
@Trajan that would prolly be because it doesnt do what the description says
 
i think its horrible edge cases
dont worry
 
it is not an edge case
why "00" ?
 
problem description
 
Descriptions/documentation should match with the behaviour @Trajan, otherwise whoever mantains that code would need help in the future
 
you have to find the first word in the sentence with has greatest lenght and is even length and is first
else 00
 
9:58 AM
behavior should be the description, otherwise you cannot guarantee that the behavior and description are in sync
@Trajan then use null as initial value and handle null cases
you should have clear separation between initial values and default return values
 
oh yeah
 

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