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12:03 AM
Finally my internet connection is back after 5 days of down time...
 
 
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mr5
2:02 AM
hola amigos/amigas
buenas dias
@DKDhilip what happened?
 
2:22 AM
!~>Guid.NewGuid()
!=>"0af918f6-e2c9-4c10-9263-945151f40a73"
After benchmark I think Guid.NewGuid() is fast enough than expected
Even be able to replace some new Random(seed) use case
Also Guid.NewGuid() always return '4' on 13th hex
 
2:36 AM
Hi,
May I ask? I have a client and I want to use devops for agile development. Who should own the devops? The client or my organization?
 
3:17 AM
@mr5 Fibers being cut by someone, affected entire building block
It took 5 days for my ISP to fix it
@nyconing It is version (4)
 
4:06 AM
@RonaldAbellano you created a new team with collaboration of your client, target is progress the project with teamwork, since both party can be access to the source, who own the repository doesnt matter. If your project have a legal contract, looking at your Issuer Agreement or contact your Contract Issuer/ lawyer.
 
mr5
5:00 AM
!~>3.14159/5
 
!=>0.62831799999999993
 
mr5
!~>3.14159/(int)5
 
!=>0.62831799999999993
 
!~> Math.PI == 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971
 
!=>true
 
mr5
5:10 AM
meanwhile in the C# compiler...
if (code == "Math.PI == 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971")
    return true; // Got to make them believe lol
...
 
@nyconing That's really helpful thanks.
 
!~>314159265358979323846264338327950288419e-38 == (double)typeof(Math).GetField("PI", System.Reflection.BindingFlags.Public|System.Reflection.BindingFlags.Static).GetValue(null)
!=>true
welcome thats nothing..
 
5:36 AM
Ben Popper on January 14, 2020

Software is eating the world, but what’s on the menu for dessert?

This week we chat about the best way for engineers to give feedback to executives. Paul explains the Purple room method they use at Postlight. Sara references Zero to One and why engineers and marketers have so much trouble communicating.

As a member of a marketing department , it’s true our job is to see the glass as half full. But sometimes the point of the exercise is to be aspirational. Police learn how to be suspicious, marketers learn how to sell, and engineers look for what’s broken so they can fix it. …

 
5:53 AM
 
mr5
Why is there a starred transcript from Jaba room?
I just wanted to remind you guys that we should hate Jaba, not like it, or els.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:15 AM
Good morning sharpies.
 
Buenos dias bitches
 
ohayou
 
8:13 AM
morning
Spain vs Germany:
same product
30% difference in price
 
product warranty?
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Amazon Germany is pretty much always cheaper.
 
Orange is Spain
 
:train:
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' neglecterinos!
 
8:50 AM
I seriously don't know what to do, importing seems to be cheaper than actually buying inside
from a consumer stand point this shouldn't be the case
it's cheaper to transport one product across borders than it is to transport a whole cargo by ship?
Fun fact: Cargo is a payload delivered by ship, meanwhile a shipment is a payload delivered by car or similar transport.
 
mr5
recursing
 
V.7
Same here
Local(locally created, i.e. Milk, Potato) product is more expensive than same(exactly same) product exported across the World
 
@HéctorÁlvarez If you don't transport allot of things, the mayor cost factor is human ressources
 
mr5
@V.7 if the product is about to export, it gets less expensive?
 
9:05 AM
@Squirrelintraining exactly. But it's cheaper for me to buy one UPS from Germany and pay the import taxes than it is to buy an already-imported product.
 
V.7
Seems so
 
@HéctorÁlvarez wat
Now thats weird.
Probebly becuz the middleman needs to earn aswell
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Import tax? Germany and Spain are both EU which has free travel of goods... no import tax should exist.
 
mr5
@V.7 that doesn't make sense
 
V.7
@HéctorÁlvarez Same about cars here
@mr5 Indeed ...
 
9:14 AM
good morning
 
Why can't I select an object with XPath based on its helptext?
morning
 
@HéctorÁlvarez It's because the one on the german site is sold by Amazon themselves, but the one on the spanish site is by some random marketplace seller
Marketplace sellers just can't compete against Amazon. Source: Am marketplace seller in the UK who gives up on an item when Amazon decide to stock the same item
 
@RoelvanUden There's one tax in the EU called VAT, each country has a different VAT depending on their economic strategy. We have to pay the VAT difference, or if there's a lower VAT in your country you will get reimbursed. Spain has the highest VAT possible.
@CaptainObvious That's true, but it still follows the trend
The 1300VA version also costs 270€, which is already higher than the 1500VA version at amazon.de
 
Spain does not have the highest VAT
Your VAT is 21%, Ireland has a 23% VAT rate
 
that's Irelevand
 
9:23 AM
Which is something I discovered when I went over because I'm used to a 20% vat rate which is what it has been here for nearly 10 years now I think
 
@HéctorÁlvarez That's incorrect. You pay VAT to the one that sells the goods to you. They have to do the taxes on behalf of the countries to where they shipped. The EU has a system called MOSS for that (Mini One Stop Shop). You as a consumer have absolutely free flow of goods and absolutely no added tax because you cross borders.
That's one of the huge benefits of the EU for consumers.
Just order wherever it's cheaper lol
 
@RoelvanUden I know for a fact I have to pay an extra VAT amount when I buy from amazon.de
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Someone is ripping you of bruh.
 
@RoelvanUden EU Vat is paid at the rate in the customer's country europa.eu/youreurope/business/taxation/vat/cross-border-vat/…
 
@CaptainObvious Yes, and the seller calculates it and reports it via MOSS. Not the consumer.
Whatever you pay to amazon.de (in eu) should be the end result.
 
9:27 AM
So he should pay 21% vat on either order
 
Yes, amazon.de shipping to spain will use spain vat and show that on the listing
 
The only thing I can think of is he may be seeing the vat charged at 19% on Amazon.de, which is only calculated at checkout
So it looks like he's paying more, when in reality it's the listing isn't displaying the price correctly
However, as I discovered the other day, Amazon is not good at calculating VAT properly
 
That's possible. I don't know how good their spain visualization is. For NL consumers, everything is in Dutch on Amazon.de with all the proper shipping costs and vat shown
On checkout the total sum should be correct. If you have to pay your mailman he's ripping you of
 
We (company I work for, sells on Amazon) had a complaint from a customer who recieved an invoice generated by Amazon. However, the maths on the invoice didn't add up, and they believed they had been overcharged
 
Amazon.de shows 21% for me (NL VAT) even though their VAT is 19% :-P
 
9:32 AM
Swap out the TLD to the one of your preference, but the idea is the same
The price on the listing is the correct one for the locale of the site, but at checkout it will change accordingly
 
This is what Amazon.de does for NL. It shows delivery to Netherlands, and thus changes the UI for 21% for our VAT.
But yes, either way works. On checkout or immediate. Once you pay, VAT is included.
 
ahoy mateys
 
ohai
 
The german help says what I said so it shouldn't reflect your 21% on the listing
 
Yet it does :-P
 
9:35 AM
Exactly, for this case scenario the product goes from 268€ to 272€ for me as soon as I go to checkout
 
> Die Preise auf unserer Website sind in Euro ausgewiesen und verstehen sich einschließlich deutscher Umsatzsteuer. Bitte beachten Sie, dass der Endpreis von der tatsächlichen Umsatzsteuer abhängig ist, die für Ihre Bestellung anfällt. Bei Bestellungen aus dem EU-Ausland wird die deutsche Umsatzsteuer abgezogen und die für das Bestimmungsland gültige Umsatzsteuer berechnet.
> Den Endpreis inklusive der für die bestellten Artikel gültigen Umsatzsteuersätze sehen Sie auf der letzten Seite des Bestellformulars.
aka
> The prices on our website are shown in euros and include German VAT. Please note that the final price depends on the actual sales tax that will apply to your order. For orders from other EU countries, the German sales tax is deducted and the sales tax valid for the country of destination is calculated. The final price including the sales tax rates applicable to the ordered items can be seen on the last page of the order form.
 
@RoelvanUden NEDUHRLAND, STAMPPOT, TULPUH, HOERUH RECHT DOOR ZEE MIJN VADUHRLAND
 
@CaptainObvious Perhaps the help page is outdated?
Either way, once you pay, that's the total. Glad we sorted that out :P
@MwBakker Uhm, okay. Hello to you too.
 
Yes, I never said I had to pay customs or anything
Just the price goes higher for the sole reason of being in Spain
 
@RoelvanUden mornin'
 
9:37 AM
Can't say Spain without saying pain.
4
 
so what exactly is "Salvame" all about
 
@CaptainSquirrel did you solve your problem yesterday?
 
@Wietlol About to take another crack at it
 
you still havent used my master script?
 
No idea. I can't get it to change the price on the listing though. Tried a few different destinations and the price wouldn't change on the listing. But one thing's for sure. If he's being charged for "import" then he's being bent over by the spanks
 
9:39 AM
I've got two foreach loops that'll check the current value to see if it exists in the other object
Not yet @Wietlol
its big and scary
(which is also what she said)
 
Why would anyone use that horrowshow
 
if you dont care about performance, then at least collect both inputs as hash sets, then do contains checks for each element of one of the collections
@CaptainObvious SQL does :D
 
@MwBakker Do you mean the Spanish TV program about politics?
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I thought it were celebreties fighting
 
Wait you are right, Sálvame is a trash program about that.
Salvados is the politics program, isn't it?
 
9:49 AM
Anyway now that the room is a bit busier
 
It was such a mindfuck
 
16 hours ago, by Captain Obvious
Can you use ef core on a FX4.8 project?
 
mr5
In a ConcurrentDictionary, can I read it simultaneously in a multithreaded env.?
 
And if not, does anyone know what the non core EF packages are called
specifically for SQL server
 
@HéctorÁlvarez but the people who come into the room shake hands first and then they start fighting, and at the end they shake hands
And on friday there is "Salvame Deluxe" but there is nothing luxorious about it
 
9:51 AM
That sounds weird, but for some reason reminds me of this incredible show
Get The F*ck Out Of My House (often shortened to GTFOOMH) is a reality television show originally launched in the Netherlands on RTL 5 in October 3, 2016, where it was produced by FremantleMedia owned, BlueCircle.In the show, 100 complete strangers cram into an average sized family home in the bid to become the last person standing and win a jackpot prize, while continuously watched by television cameras. == Versions == Currently airing An upcoming season Series was cancelled == See also == List of television show franchises == Notes == == External links == Official ...
 
mr5
ytf does Google spamming me of $0 invoices
 
@CaptainObvious only white trash, hippies and almost refugees participated in that show
it was emberassing how they treated eachother
 
But it was funny
 
@CaptainObvious Entity Framework
 
haha nice try
 
9:57 AM
that is what it is called
EntityFramework
EntityFrameworkCore
 
Yeah but if you put EntityFramework into the nuget browser you get a whole load of core
 
true
 
@MwBakker Why are you watching that anyway?
 
but you didnt ask "Is Microsoft stupid?"
you asked "does anyone know what the non core EF packages are called"
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I watched it when I lived in Spain because I was trying to understand what and why. It was very interesting to me
 
9:59 AM
especially .net framework is a sad name
because you have a lot of frameworks for dotnet framework
such as EF
 
And I also specified I needed the sql server packages
 
googling it, even for core, results in a lot of .net framework results
 
I know what they're called for core but not for full
 
Next to anime "seven deadly sins", "salvame" is a definite position in my top 5 of shows that tortured my mind trying to comprehend
 
just that one...
this is the only ef .net framework project we have
it is database first tho
but iirc, the code first for .net framework wasnt that great
 
10:01 AM
how can reuse/reinitialize same object of TaskCompletionSource?
my task completes in another method(callback)
what options do i have to hold it until it completes?
 
hold the callback method from firering before the other process is finished?
 
callback is from the 3rd party library
 
Code first works exactly the same in full as it does in core
 
mr5
@AwaisShaikh you just assign it with new instance. You can't reuse it for the purpose of re awaiting again
 
@MwBakker Evangelion is a must then.
 
10:06 AM
@mr5 i tried declaring local field TaskCompletionSource<bool> tcs;
and initialize it in method
throws System.InvalidOperationException the second time its called
 
@HéctorÁlvarez the. what.
 
@MwBakker You want to watch a mindfuck? Be my guest
 
I dk Seven deadly sins started with a house on a pig, two giant females, a fight organised by some octupus female/male-ish thing where stone version of the fighters showed up and fought, and the constant constant sexual referrations
 
@MwBakker Welcome to shounen anime.
 
I watched this on a date, the girl suggested this and it was supposed to be Netflix and chill but it went Netflix and notFeelingMentallyWellForAFewDays
 
mr5
10:13 AM
@AwaisShaikh local from a method or a class? Maybe you're re assigning the result again. Also, could you post a code snippet so we can have a better view of the code?
 
@MwBakker Anime is rarely a good thing to watch on a date, lol.
There are exceptions, but they are rare.
Still. Seven deadly sins is not that much for mental unwell-being, unless you're truly weak-minded. It's a series that's just a bit odd.
 
@Wietlol @CaptainObvious just FYI i think i was overcomplicating things
Comparing the two lists with foreach loops has done the trick lmao
quite speedy too actually
 
mr5
oh fuck! I found the bug
IsRunning = taskQueue.Count <= 0
This one took me 2 weeks to figure out :D
 
You have negative tasks running as a condition? That would be impressive
 
mr5
I should have chosen flipping burgers instead
 
10:17 AM
And is also why count values should not be signed
 
mr5
@CaptainObvious typo
it is signed
it's actually a concurrent dictionary
 
@CaptainSquirrel for 10 elements, sure
it remains an n^2 operation
 
I think the best content for a date is a boring movie.
 
Depends on what kind of date
 
Doesn't matter if it's anime, cartoon, real life, or whatever, the point is pointing your eyes away from the TV
 
10:21 AM
@Wietlol seems to load quite quickly when its called so
Doesn't take long
 
Actually
I don't think I've ever been on a "date"
 
And to my knowledge, this is only going to be ran once to actually output data so
 
I wouldn't be able to focus if I was about to discover the true power of the Bijuudama rasen shuriken.
 
@RoelvanUden I guess I am the weak minded
@HéctorÁlvarez You can't talk with eacother during a movie, I always try to find unique ways
My weirdest date was breaking into a zoo at night, and get caught by police
 
10:23 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez Eh, depends. If the goal is to experience a good movie together, get a good movie. If the goal is to bang the girl, well, get something else going.
 
I was about to suggest Boku no Roel-will-probably-know but if you truly are weak-minded... I don't want to scar you for life
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I simply couldn't put my attention away from that show I was surprised what the next scene contained
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Pico.
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I have seen "A Serbian Film" I can handle something. But the weirdness does keep me uncomfortable for a while
 
You should watch Elfen Lied. It's a cute anime. ;-3
 
10:25 AM
@RoelvanUden Thanks for getting us both banned.
 
@HéctorÁlvarez You're welcome~
 
Kono baka Roel...
 
FYI don't watch Elfen Lied if you can't handle gore, controversy and drama. I lied. It's a truly fucked anime.
 
I like all of those but I'm not a fan of anime generally
 
truly fucked anime
 
10:29 AM
> Boku no Pico is a Japenese series of shotacon hentai anime...
Aaaand I'm out
 
Jack, weebs
 
uh
Jack, weeb
 
Sep 10 '19 at 11:25, by J. Doe
GTFO weeb to your trash can
 
10:38 AM
Turns out I can use ef core 2.2 on full fx
 
@CaptainObvious Hentai is rarely worth the watch.
 
Why you gotta program a shit language and watch shit drawn porn
JS & Gilf :ok_hand:
 
mr5
noice
reverse sandwich
 
10:53 AM
!~shiba
 
Hello everyone
 
hey
 
need help in web service error
Could not create type 'XXXXX' error into web service
 
ok
 
11:00 AM
Try creating the type
Boom, problem solved
 
@CaptainObvious how? I am new to this web service
 
public class XXXXX{} ?
 
11:28 AM
Interesting
if i turn my laptop off while a vm is running
the VM automatically starts back up when my laptop does
TIL
 
it's a trap
 
Actually it doesn't start back up
When you shut down the vm's state is saved
And then restored when you turn it back on
 
11:41 AM
huh
I was wondering with vmmem was starting and taking all my cpu with it
 
11:56 AM
any clue
 
its 12
wat
 
its 1 :(
 
Nah it's 12
 
12:23 PM
@Squirrelkiller I need your big brains.
 
But...but I need that too
 
Rickl0rd talked about that some time ago, where you provide classes for your API endpoint.
And documentation etc.
What is that called?
 
OpenAPI?
/Swagger?
 
swagger
Thats it
 
swagger == openapi
swagger is the tool, openapi the ...standard? Protocol?
 
12:24 PM
Thanks mi friend
 
MS now has Microsoft.OpenAPI
np
 
What would I use to build a winium script from a file that has registered activities and controls as a recorder?
 
have anyone bothered to add validation to OpenAPI?
 
I would 'read-in' this file, but what tool is available to spit out a winium script eventually
 
for example set FluentValidation rules for a string field (maxchar 60 for example) and automatically run the validation on each request possibly generate a documentation for the API by the validation rules
 
12:29 PM
People that have dealt with parsing xml, lend me your strength
I have a sitemap that starts with <urlset>
And each time i try to parse it, i receive the following
System.InvalidOperationException: There is an error in XML document (0, 0).
 ---> System.Xml.XmlException: Root element is missing.
I suspect this is down to the fact that xmlns & xmlns:xhtml are both missing from the top node
I do not have the ability to edit said sitemaps
does anyone have any suggestions?
 
create a <root> XDocument, add the already existing xml in InnerNode, and parse that
I bet the problem is not about the namespaces but the number of topmost nodes. It must be 1
 
It only has the one <urlset> at the top
if there were any issues with the actual xml itself, i would expect that the actual xml would fail to render in my browser
which it doesn't
 
Jack, coffee
 
hmm. I don't know the issue than, but browsers can render invalid htmls also
invalid xml no problemo
 
12:34 PM
this is true
the xml is valid
I've passed it through a few online parsers so
Its just when i try to use XmlSerializer deserialize it shits the bed
 
is the unserialized type annotated with the right amount of docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/… ?
 
@CaptainSquirrel pewwwwww
 
XMLSerializer is crap tho
 
stretches arms out
falls weakend to the floor
 
I bet the C# side type is generated, so no intervention needed
 
12:37 PM
Is that even English?
 
@CaptainSquirrel Run it through an xml to json convertor like this and then read it as json instead. Ezpz
 
@CaptainObvious I canne do that cap'n
 
Cuz this tool i'm building gets a lists of sites
and then checks their sitemaps for differences
 
Jacc, I love u
 
12:40 PM
And there are two sites that don't follow the same structure
 
no way jojo squirrel
 
There fixed
I gud you bro
 
@ntohl Yeah, i used a tool to generate one of those for me
 
@ZMAX it is quite difficult to understand your situation as we do not know what technology you uses, where the error comes from, what the intended behavior is or what you have tried to solve it
 
12:55 PM
@Squirrelintraining :O
 
I just spent like an hour looking for a way to read from app.config values into a proper object
Before realising I could just write my own method to do it and it's only taken about 5 minutes
 
my configuration library works quite well actually...
also... I wrote it myself
so, it works exactly how I want it to work
 

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