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6:26 AM
Morning guys :D
my echo is the only one answering
 
6:50 AM
Morning
 
morning!
 
7:20 AM
yay, other people :D
 
yay work D:
 
dont remind me of that :D i have to call a lot of anoying people today
 
7:46 AM
hi guys
is thr way to add , dock panel into windows forms? ex: like apple dock
 
@geek007 there is, but the solution depends on your abilities or budget. Because Infragistics has a ready-to-use solution, but its very expensive.
 
@SebastianL ty for reply, is thr any source code available ? like jquery script?
 
8:04 AM
@geek007 i doubt there is any sourcecode for free of any infragistics controls ^^ but maybe i can help you if you tell me a little bit more about what you want to achieve (i'm not familiar with apple products ^^^)
 
i need something like this in my winform. any ideas?
 
A dock?
 
yh
 
Custom build it from scratch most likely.
 
really? :( any codes
those r series math
*serious
 
8:07 AM
If you'd stop relying on "codes" written by other people, you could just build it yourself :-)
That's probably elementary level math. It's quite easy to achieve.
 
i know, know. i wanna see a example
:)
 
I think the math is the least of your problems
@geek007 then use the trial of Infragistics
 
thats helpful, ty guys :D
 
A good software developer doesn't rely on examples!
Or something like that.
 
8:24 AM
@geek007 just in your winform to drop some selfcreated objects on it or a real dock where you can add anything from anywhere?
 
Bought myself Cities: Skylines yesterday. somuchfun.jpg
 
Good Afternoon!
 
8:44 AM
@BenjaminDiele It's so so so addictive.
@BenjaminDiele I have been playing non-stop outside of work.
@BenjaminDiele Traffic is a huge pain in the behind though.
 
@RoelvanUden Yes. I had stuff to do yesterday, and tonight, so I can't play all the time :(
@RoelvanUden My industry is slowly killing itself with traffic :D
I want to get to 100k and then I'll let them explode. First town yay!
 
@BenjaminDiele That's what happened in my cities too. I am currently at 3.0 of my city with these insane traffic dividing creations (literally quite crazy, 4 highways to access an area to reduce wait times) and I managed to clutter everything up at 30k inhabitants. Back to the drawing board tonight!
 
I'm at my first 20k now. Exciting stuff!
 
Cool :-)
Pics tonight :P
 
Got em on steam already :D
That was from this morning actually
 
8:49 AM
Haha cool. Impressive how different cities can look :D
 
What's that supposed to mean eh :D
 
Mine are basically squares :P
 
SimCity 4 type of town?
 
Except on a massive scale and with proper thought into services and traffic :P
 
@RoelvanUden But still butt ugly!
also, pics!
 
8:56 AM
Will do. Tonight. Hopefully of a v4 of my town :p
I have to get traffic working properly >_<
 
I thought you made your city with "proper thought into services and traffic"? :D
 
Jup! But it chokes at 30k. You'll get there too :P
Because of all the industrial traffic.
I alleviated quite some residential traffic with public traffic solutions (mostly buses)
 
The problem I have now is the commuters to my industrial zoning. Heavy traffic itself isn't that big of a problem (yet)
 
But yeaaaaaa I still choke on the insanity that is industry
@BenjaminDiele I'm pretty hateful towards traffic lights now :P
I want to try a city design that doesn't need them (much)
 
Walkways! Walkways in the skyyy
 
9:22 AM
Hi Every one...
I have a query in C#
I have two windows form based application ready with me,

now i want to create a watchdog service which can check that
my application is running or no, if my application A is not running
then it starts the application A.

So the issue is when i try to start an windows form based application from
service the application does not start and its only shown under background service
in task manager.

Note: All the application are created in C#.net
 
Show the Process.Start code.
 
From the service class ?
 
@AndroidDev So the problem is in your Process.Start. This just launches a process as the current user and associates its parent with the starter (the service container process). Service container happen to run as SYSTEM, so you just started your GUI for the SYSTEM user.
Read up on the isolation and user impersonation. Here: codeproject.com/Articles/35773/…
 
can i fetch it to front somehow ?
so you mean i should use StartProcessAndBypassUAC ?
 
@AndroidDev not sure if possible without tricky tricks ^^
isnt a service using the systemuser?
 
@SebastianL really unware i m just new to it & i am just a mediator
@SebastianL let me check with the developer
@SebastianL ya services uses system user
 
@AndroidDev i think i know the problem ^^
just a moment
 
9:55 AM
ok waiting
 
@AndroidDev A service isnt allowed (by default) to create or run any GUI related stuff, because the user named SYSTEM has no graphical Desktop which he is logged onto. So you need to start the process as the user which is currently logged in and maybe you also need to provide a param which defines the adapter (Desktop)
@AndroidDev BUT even if you could achieve this, i wouldnt recommend doing this (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatter_attack)
 
o/
 
@SebastianL ya your are rigt we cannot start from service
 
\o/
 
10:00 AM
@SilentKiller welcome
 
@AndroidDev just use a Application that runs on autostart then
 
@RoelvanUden any suggestions??
 
@AndroidDev Reading and understanding the linked article will help.
 
@SebastianL but i want to create a watchdog which keeps on checking and invoking windows form application as and when required.
@RoelvanUden ya thanks
 
@AndroidDev whats speaks against an application that runs on systemstart?
 
10:04 AM
@SebastianL your suggestion is accepted, but it would be invoking only once & my system will never go off the power,
why i want to do it on a service is if my application crashes, i can restart the application automatically
 
@AndroidDev A user-level process is just fine for watching+restarting.
You don't need a service for that.
 
@RoelvanUden what if user level process is crashed?
 
@AndroidDev You have two processes. One is the GUI (which is prone to crashing because you didn't test it properly) and one is the watcher (which is stable and doesn't crash; after all, you tested it properly, and it just watches another process and starts it when it goes down). I run entire servers with user-level watch mechanisms and they never exhibit any problem.
 
@RoelvanUden great, can i have some tutorial links of userlevel process ?
 
Uh... you're already writing and using them.
 
10:11 AM
@RoelvanUden really unaware my developer dont know any thing and i am stuck :(
 
I like how he came to C# to ask about android lol
Is he using xamarin?
 
No, he is using visual studio with C#.net
 
for android?
 
@Sippy no one is talking about android
 
Well.
 
10:13 AM
@AndroidDev Educate him. Or, have him learn by himself. Developers have the capacity.
 
@RoelvanUden thanks for your kind support.
 
The architecture of Windows NT, a line of operating systems produced and sold by Microsoft, is a layered design that consists of two main components, user mode and kernel mode. It is a preemptive, reentrant operating system, which has been designed to work with uniprocessor and symmetrical multi processor (SMP)-based computers. To process input/output (I/O) requests, they use packet-driven I/O, which utilizes I/O request packets (IRPs) and asynchronous I/O. Starting with Windows 2000, Microsoft began making 64-bit versions of Windows available—before this, these operating systems only existed in...
Yay for user-mode
 
10:34 AM
Been here an hour
Spent an hour fixing my spacebar
Hour definitely well spent.
 
@Sippy what kinda beer do you serve there?
 
@BenjaminDiele pan galactic gargle blasters only.
 
@Sippy I think i'll pass
 
You've never read The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and for that you are banished.
 
I have, but years ago. I don't remember everything. I need that memory space to play Cities: Skylines!
 
10:43 AM
:p
 
11:11 AM
@RoelvanUden thanks, finally moving to console application for the watchdog.
 
Is anyone here who's familiar with Wijmo?
 
@germikee no one as of now, but i think nice i am just watching demo, i think i should learn it.
@germikee if issue in js i could try to help
 
11:28 AM
@BenjaminDiele Cities: Skylines - is it good? I was tempted to get it the other day
 
@Squiggle Soooooo gooooood. You'll forget about work and real life immediately.
buy it buy it buy it
 
:D
My only issue was that all of the demos have roads and cars everywhere, like any crappy American city. Does it allow for public transport? :P
 
awesome! \o/
 
busses and metro and railroad
en mods, loads. of. mods.
I think the game is out for 9 days or so now, and they have around 15k mods already
 
11:36 AM
shit me
 
Seriously, go get it. And get addicted like @RoelvanUden and me :D
 
'k.
 
Nice game, It has been years playing games.

lastly played counter-strike
 
@BenjaminDiele Mods are that easy to build?!
 
@Sippy It's Unity.
 
11:42 AM
oh.
 
And there's a built-in asset editor
 
I wonder what they made Payday 2 with
They finally introduced a mission where you have to drive yesterday evening.
I did it on normal mode then went straight to deathwish mode and holy fucking shit
It's a car showroom, there are 9 moving guards.
And the 2 non moving guards are in both of the most awkward places they could possibly be.
Overkill are mean.
 
fun fact: "Payday" is phonetically identical to the Portugese for "I just farted"
 
Nice. Hahaha
I just farted 2
 
I can't wait to get home and play some more
 
11:53 AM
@AndroidDev I want to change filter my FlexGrid from a datepicker. Im pretty sure this should be in JS but I dont know how. Any ideas?
 
@SteveG
 
@KendallFrey
have you ever played simcity?
 
Hey there. I'm writing a library of data structures. I've sort of written them already, and I'm trying to optimize some of them. Does anyone know a source about low-level optimization in C#?
 
50 page faults/s, well done, Visual Studio, you FAT PIECE OF SHIT
 
@KendallFrey Lol
 
12:05 PM
@Squiggle buy it buy it buy it (or acquire it though less legal means to try it)
 
@RoelvanUden IMO it's not even needed to pirate it to try it. Watch a youtube video and fall in love. It really is a great game.
 
Well, I like to think that pirating is a good way to try a game. Since demos don't exist anymore...
 
Yeah, but nowadays youtube can replace much of the value a demo has to offer though
 
I disagree to be honest. Skylines videos didn't convince me at all.
Once I played it however...
 
@KendallFrey HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED SIM CITY
 
12:11 PM
Have you watched Quill18? Fun dude playing C:SL. That's how I found out I couldn't live without the game.
@SteveG SC4 or bust
 
no he hasn't
 
@germikee sorry really no idea regarding that
 
i played sc2000 and then this new one that came out, holy crap theres so much more crap to do
 
@SteveG SC5 sucks donkey balls
 
does it? i'm only a few hours in
 
12:13 PM
The thing that bothered me most about SC5 is the 'always online', and that your sims don't remember where they work & live.
 
@SteveG NU
 
@STEVE
I can use that one again now cos the other steve has left woo
 
is that the one that came out in 2013?
 
idk, it doesn't say 5 or 4, but thats the one i'm playing
 
12:17 PM
this elevator game is fun lol
 
@BenjaminDiele: Didnt they release a patch that removed the "always online" stuff?
 
@BenjaminDiele I didn't buy it because of that. Fuck that kind of online bullshit.
 
idk, my stuff isn't always online, but i'm a noob so maybe it is and i'm just clueless
 
@scheien Yeah, because people called them out on their shit.
 
Of course, it was just bullcrap
 
12:18 PM
As if anyone sane is going to maintain a server park to do calculations for game PCs
COME ON FOR GAME PCs
 
@RoelvanUden wat
 
That was the excuse. "We compute city algorithms in the cloud."
Who in their right mind is going to pay for that?
 
It was just a stupid attempt to prevent piracy
 
@RoelvanUden Oh
Roflmao
SMART GUYZ
 
@Sippy i lik u
 
12:20 PM
@SteveG dnt lik me bra
 
okayy
 
im watchin u
 
pervert
 
says man who likkin people!
Haaa that reminded me of holland
 
?
 
12:21 PM
Last time I was there at a festival all the dutch people were walking round going "LEKKERRRRRRRR"
 
Uh...
 
whats that mean in english
 
Probably not wht @sippy thinks ^^
 
I have no idea.
Roel knows.
 
"Sweet" or "Nice" or "Great" or "Tastes good" depending on context
 
12:22 PM
in Sippy's case it probably meant something else
 
Lol
Like?
 
@BenjaminDiele "Kijk die vent z'n kop. Lekker! Bwhahah"
 
"get away"
 
Something like that?
 
@RoelvanUden Lekker kotseeuuh
 
12:23 PM
Aw gross.
 
I can only think of one thing when I see Dutch
 
Weed?
 
@BenjaminDiele fu and your slanguage
 
@KendallFrey people with hot potatoes in their mouth?
 
@Sippy Can't google it? :D
 
fuck sake kendal
@BenjaminDiele nope lol
 
@Sippy ya
 
Welp
Gotta listen to it now.
 
always
 
12:28 PM
@KendallFrey bom bom bom bom!
 
*bam bam bam
 
fu
do wat i want
 
bends over
 
uh
 
you know it sippycup
 
12:29 PM
do some work
 
12:46 PM
yeah :D
 
12:57 PM
TFS rage going on within earshot
 
1:16 PM
awesome
 
@Squiggle bought it already?
 
hah no
I'm, like, at work
 
@Squiggle wats that
 
Work is just a mentality.
 
work is just a place where I get fired if I install computer games on my desktop :P
 
1:22 PM
lol
 
@Squiggle You don't have to install them. Just buy them, install them remotely on your gaming pc, and stream. No games installed on your work pc!
Btw, for those of you who work remotely / from home. How do you handle unproductive days? At work I feel a lot less guilty if I have an unproductive spell, compared to at home.
 
Learning something new - playing with a new tech or looking over code a co worker wrote
 
Well , I'm Happy i am Self Employed :P Though it's getting extremely hard to do everything myself now and i am messed up atm lol :| I Got a Site, I Buy and Sell Games to Persians ( Who Can't Buy it themself coz they don't have international Credit Card or Bank ) With the money i Earn from selling Games to non-persians ... while maintaining the whole site myself and trying to write Steam API Apps to Make my site better and automate ... while i am studying in my 6th Term of University :|
 
When I was self-employed and found myself being unproductive I would go to a co-working space. It's easier to be productive when other people around you are doing the same.
failing that, I would take half a day off and go walking in the countryside
 
1:38 PM
Is that the idea behind uni?
@Squiggle Lol
 
@Squiggle I Agree, Even tho i am So Busy ... sometimes i just get unproductive too and waste a whole day lol
 
Cos I used to go work in those open access places and just spent my whole time finding ways round the filters.
 
If there is other with u on the same project or something , u work better i guess
 
@Pedram that's my experience too. Seeing people work motivates you to work.
 
@BenjaminDiele yeh
 
2:06 PM
HI All
Guys Help me
 
lol i had a Friend back in Shaiya MMORPG Looong ago Named Obvious :D
 
I am bringing a list of checkboxes from Db named, Specialities, and there is also a list of Teacher Specialities
Based on the entries in Teacher Specialities I will show the specialities checkboxes checked
How can i do it with linq
instead of sql
 
Oh i never used linq till now sadly
 
@Obvious Neither LINQ or SQL have anything to do with checkboxes. They are not UI libraries
 
2:24 PM
@Obvious get the object from DB. make LINQ query. Set Controls. PROFIT!
 
FFS TFS WHY
 
^^^^^^^^
Doing a dance with TFS right now too
did a sys restore and now TFS does not want to give me yesterdays check in
 
What passes as a coherent conversation these days is depressing
FFS! TFS UI WTF
ROFL
 
@TomW My pet hate is people who use acronyms in speech.
Or people who try to shorten acronyms into words that don't need to be shortened into words.
Specifically GUI as "Gooey"
GUI rolls out just as easy.
JSON I can understand.
 
2:40 PM
BTW: easy way to remove things from git history without having to do 1000 interactive rebases
 
2:58 PM
@Sippy what, I thought everyone says GUI as a word
 
@KendallFrey - they do
 
@KendallFrey only muppets
 
gooey
 
@Sippy two syllables vs three, you lose
 
go awai
Nop
 
3:04 PM
gee yoou eye
 
een u faec
you're probably one of the ones who says ess-cue-ell too
 
@KendallFrey SQL?
 
3:23 PM
Dapper and other ORM's manipulate the DSIL or DISIL? What is that?
 
you mean DSL?
 
@KendallFrey here in germany they say dee ess ell :D
with extra long deeeeee
 
"extra long D" suuuure
 
DDD++
 
Kendall probably says 'Diesel'
 
3:32 PM
@Sippy diesel is what people drive to make up for tiny d's
 
Lol
 
@ton.yeung ....?
That doesn't apply to 95% of people
Normally your employer does your tax return, it's called PAYE
If you're self-employed, have investments or other income you have to do a tax return
OK, probably a few more people than that, but anyone who is an employee most likely never does any of their own tax bureacracy
I have never done a tax return, I don't need to
I don't think we do those
 
HMRC issue you a "tax code" which accounts for your status, including tax breaks etc.
 
^
there aren't many
 
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HM Revenue and Customs or HMRC) is a non-ministerial department of the UK Government responsible for the collection of taxes, the payment of some forms of state support, and the administration of other regulatory regimes including the national minimum wage. HMRC was formed by the merger of the Inland Revenue and Her Majesty's Customs and Excise which took effect on 18 April 2005. The department's logo is the St Edward's Crown enclosed within a circle. == Departmental responsibilities == The department is responsible for the administration and collection of direct...
 
3:43 PM
Your employer knows your tax code, and tax is calculated and applied appropriately at the point of salary payment.
Other tax breaks are calculated separately and reimbursed
@ton.yeung depends entirely on the type of tax breaks and support
Not sure about living allowance or breaks for working families with children
Council tax is reduced in certain circumstances
 
is there anyone here good with the latest dynamic c# features?
 
wat
 
@ton.yeung the individual submits tax returns if they are a sole trader
but that's only for freelancers
and company directors and shareholders, IIRC
basically those with a significant amount of non-salary income
why do you ask?
I need to figure out the Swiss tax system now :(
it was hard enough in my native language...
 
@KendallFrey Something to do with C# CLR
 
@Greg MSIL?
 
3:51 PM
@KendallFrey Ah, that's it!
@KendallFrey Is there a book to learn more about it?
 
probably
If you have any specific questions, I might be able to answer
looking at compiled IL is a good way to learn
LINQPad does that for you
 
@ton.yeung HMRC calculates your tax code, which is basically the first N pounds of your income which is untaxed. That gets increased or decreased depending on what you're entitled to. Your employer is given your tax code by HMRC and they use that to deduce how much tax they should withhold from your pay. The right amount is paid by way of the bottom (tax-free) bracket being moved per employee
 
you want to learn MSIL?
 
@ton.yeung I think "it's complicated". The tax break system was meant to be fixed by a project called "Universal Credit", but it's a clusterfuck of technical incompetency right now
 
can't you just look at it and... figure it out if you really need to?
 
3:53 PM
Yeah, I do.
 
Universal Credit is a welfare benefit launched in the United Kingdom in 2013 to replace six means-tested benefits and tax credits: Jobseeker’s Allowance, Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, Employment and Support Allowance and Income Support. A pilot in four local authorities was scheduled to precede the national launch of the scheme in October 2013 for new claimants (excluding more complex cases such as families with children), with a gradual transition to be complete by 2017. However, only one of the original pilots went ahead at the expected date, in Ashton-under-Lyne, due...
 
Do you know assembly?
 
Well, I was curious about how ORM's work. I know they generate a lot of that dynamically.
@KendallFrey Actually, I don't.
 
MSIL is a lot like assembly, but it's stack-based instead of register-based
 
Oh, without knowledge of assembly will it be bad?
 
3:56 PM
nah
 
Okay, I'm really wanting to become a better developer.
 
assembly isn't a prerequisite, it's more like a supplement
 
assembly languages can/are stack based?
 
Assembly and IL are 90% the same, so once you learn one, it's 10% of the effort to learn the other
@NETscape oh, true
they generally use registers though
 
yeah, i know what you mean; just sounded confusing
 
3:59 PM
@ton.yeung I'd have guessed 'the tax code' is the system of regulations i.e. everything
This is something slightly different. Your tax code is a number
(usually)
 
Hm.
 
@ton.yeung I thought usually when Americans refer to 'the [x] code' for a particular domain, what that means is the set of regulations that apply to that domain e.g. the tax code or the building code. Hence your comment that it's usually complicated
yes
 
Why would visual studio 2013 tell me that System.Web.Mvc 4 is not available?
 
@SpencerRuport cus u broke it
 
4:16 PM
I think someone forgot to check in packages.config
 
4:35 PM
maybe if I just stay home and wrap myself in a blanket burrito people won't continue to tell me things that make me want to wrap myself in a blanket burrito
 
@Pheonixblade9 @SteveG just does it at work
 
@Pheonixblade9 - I take it the conversation didn't go well?
 
4:59 PM
what about that?
 

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