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1:16 PM
@Squiggle Can't stop listening to alt-J lol
 
Hi Sippy
 
Hello
 
How are you?
 
I'm a string replace with a dictionary and it's printing \r\n after each space in my html page. Why is that?
It should be adding </br> or ignoring whitespace but includes \r\n instead
 
@KalaJ We have no way of knowing without seeing your code.
 
1:32 PM
@Sippy I don't really know Alt-J. Giving them a listen now...
 
Well that was weird
VS was building a project before its dependency
 
@KendallFrey Your VS has become detached from causality?
 
Apparently so
I'll say hi from the past if I see you
 
@KendallFrey you already said hi, m8
 
@RoelvanUden found somthing. the pixels are not getting to the other side properly
 
1:39 PM
Luke...
 
i just tested the first 10 pixels. it's 224,209,203 in the client and in the server its somthing like 224,208,200
 
close but not the same.
 
@Squiggle You linked one of their songs a while ago lol
 
1:42 PM
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@Sippy which one? when?
I liked to a song which had the same name as one of theirs - Something Good
the Utah Saints track
and probably Django Django, if they're similar?
 
Oh
It was Steve not you sorry
 
Urrgggg. It's a 20-line method, why the hell do you have three #region blocks in it?
One of which around "local member declaration", which is three lines of var declaration that could happen in an inner scope anyway.
And this guy insists on using String and Int32 everywhere instead of string and int.
 
@Slashy With a move?
 
@RoelvanUden no.
with the regular modified regions
i try to investigate it right now
 
um, which version are you running?
 
1:52 PM
lastest
oh
i tried mine..
the tcp server
i'll check if this happening only in your haha
 
Use the C# viewer of Hansha-master
The canvas one is still borked.
 
2:06 PM
@Sippy Is it possible to sort columns in dataGridView? Like click on the column name and it sorts from largest number to smallest?
 
Sort the model.
Use the click handler for the column name to sort the model and update it.
 
alright
 
Lol, I'm a script developer for one of the big runescape bots. This bot prides itself on being an actual business, with employees and legal protection and shit, and they call themselves a professional software release team. Today they released a new version (they have versioning but you have no choice of version, you are forced to use latest) which broke all the scripts without warning hahaha
SO PROFESSIONAL
Bare in mind, developers who write paid scripts are actually held to contracts with the business who owns the bot.
 
@Sippy For a minute there I read that to mean that the bot itself is a business inside the game, with legal protection and shit.
But that's more of an EVE Online sort of thing, isn't it?
 
2:14 PM
possibly lol
Basically Jagex have been going after them for years
but they have too much money to get sued.
Or jagex doesn't have enough money to sue them
Jagex is poor these days man
They fucked up hard somewhere.
 
microtransactions?
how can they be poor if they added microtransactions
 
by thinking they could stay afloat on only one game for so long?
 
@Sippy Bots is big business. I wonder how they fucked up so hard they broke everything, though. If you do that, at least make it a major version bump that doesn't hit auto update.
 
@RoelvanUden They refactored a commonly used class
And told no one
All our scripts are uploaded to their git repository so they could've refactored but they suck so
 
2:27 PM
one of my coworkers is going round our desks picking the padlocks which lock our laptops to the desks lol.
fun guy
 
what a card
 
it's cool to watch lol
He's doing it with a paperclip
 
Free Laptops?
 
@Sippy lock picking is shockingly simple for many types of locks
 
2:30 PM
yeah I'm aware, he's been teaching us
Lol
 
"he's been teaching us" for when stuff starts to go missing he's not the only one that can potentially be blamed
smart guy
 
morning
 
morning
 
Any EF 6 Wizards here?
 
@Failsafe Good morning
 
2:32 PM
@Alex Did you ever get that problem fixed?
 
@Sippy we ran a few TOOOL workshops at our hackerspace. It was great fun, but made us very paranoid :)
 
not to sound like your manager hahaha
 
@Squiggle hackerspace?
 
@Failsafe not yet
still at it
Except now I have to rebuild the test version of the site because the director and his contractor broke it
 
2:35 PM
Anybody got cool ideas for a proprietary program? Let's make it!
 
The Gazillionth Text Editor, tagling: We didn't get it right either! @SethKitchen
 
@SethKitchen recipe/cooking app that only runs on oculus rift
 
@Sippy yeh. They're awesome. Basically a male creche full of soldering irons where you can build robots with friends.
 
so you have to wear it while cooking
 
and then we can charge everyone $79 for purchasing a sht text editor
 
@Alex Well good thing you can just copy paste CF into an IIS VD and refresh a web page
 
@Failsafe not so easy
 
@Failsafe Why only Oculus Rift?
@NicolásCarlo Seems legit-next Microsoft word
 
@SethKitchen proprietary
 
@SethKitchen no no, not a word processor, a text editor
 
2:39 PM
@Failsafe He informed me the dev login will require some tweaking because they have the dev login pointing to WordPress so when a user logs in on a .CFM page, its actually taking them through a wordpress login
 
keeping it simple, yo
 
@Failsafe that's actually a good idea. The rollcake I made for last christmas was a disaster
 
@Alex does WP even have CF support
 
@NicolásCarlo So like notepad or like sublime?
 
No not to my knowledge
 
2:39 PM
@ntohl well you cant take the rift off
so you would be cooking blind
 
Massive TFS BS right now.
 
@Alex RIP
you should find another gig
 
@Failsafe LOLOLOLOL!
 
>.>
 
But they are running the home on wordpress
 
2:40 PM
yes exactly @SethKitchen all we'd need to do is get syntax highlighting that doesn't work, windows that don't open, packages that don't properly install and we're golden
 
and the dev behind it in CF
 
@Failsafe Well with HoloLens we could put animated ingredients on the screen
 
@Failsafe after some practise I can make a real one. And I'm not furious about the shops are closed, and the indegridients are wrong, or not enough
 
@Failsafe When does hololens become an API?
 
And for some reason they some how routed the CF through the wordpress login system
 
2:41 PM
@NicolásCarlo How do text editors know what to highlight?
 
@SethKitchen they already released the sdk i think
 
the dev kits come out in Q1
 
@Alex that doesnt make sense WP has an API but it's not for like...authentication
 
So as he tells me "when you login to CF you're really logging into the WP, but you're going to have to correct the mapping"
 
@SethKitchen it doesn't matter, who said it has to work, just charge people money and they assume your sht's awesome
digging these new desktops on windows 10 :D
 
2:42 PM
@Failsafe I don't know. Not my system. I just got hired to deal with it
 
@Alex you should get hired somewhere else
lol
 
the hololens code stuff is included in UWP
 
Trust me, I lose sleep at night
And dread my 100 mile commute each day
 
@NicolásCarlo How about we put a large textbox on a window and put a print button on the top
 
100 mile commute?
 
2:43 PM
100 mile commute! wft?
 
Yes
 
@Alex whereabouts do you live? There has to be a job closer
 
how long does it take to get to work
 
I just got in the office when I logged into here
920
Left at 650
 
you uh
you should find another job
 
2:44 PM
@SethKitchen better yet, put an image frame in there and have a scan button. people write code with their hands and scan it in to see how pretty it looks, doesn't do sht but at least its there
wow
 
i sometimes think my 2 minute commute is long...
 
@CuddleBunny I live 45 miles northwest of Washington DC near Frederick, MD
 
you commute to your living room
or home office
 
GIT problem in VS : Even if I have no pending changes, Visual Studio GIT tells me "5 conflicts prevents commit" but it doesn't tell more ?
 
2:44 PM
whatever
 
@Failsafe exactly
and i don't feel like it sometimes
 
you're ridiculous
 
i just set up a whole laptop so i can just wake up and pick that sht up without leaving my bed
 
@loser switch to TFS
 
@Failsafe how so
 
2:45 PM
@loser fix that directly with git on your command prompt
 
@Alex not you, but @NicolásCarlo
 
Oh ok
 
not me?
oh
what did i do?
 
Honestly if Id get the ballz to buy a license for the Microsoft store id put a sht ton of useless apps on there for .99
 
complain about your 20 ft commute
lol
 
2:46 PM
lol
 
I wish I could commute to my home office
 
its easy, start a business
 
I left at 640 in the am and don't get back till 640-745 pm
 
You wouldn't dread your commute if you had some good tunes :)
 
2:47 PM
where do you live @Alex
 
do you live on some remote island that you have to go so far for work?
 
By the time I get home I've easily been up 13-14 hours. I don't sit down to finally relax for the evening till about 8pm
 
and how do you get time to you know, have a life?
 
Have a life? What's that?
 
@Failsafe near Frederick, MD
 
2:48 PM
lol
 
@NicolásCarlo I live to get through the week and relish friday night to sunday afternoon
Usually getting caught up on sleep
on sunday from about 230-6 in the afternoon
 
@Alex i used to do that, then i said fk that sht, and worked to get my business up and running, took 4 years but it was all worth it!
 
I'm working on that as a side project
 
still pretty shaky but at least i'm not falling asleep on my desk
 
But I have to be cautious as this company has an anti compete clause
No side jobs, moonlighting freelance gigs
or they will sue you and demand you turn over all code
even if its not in their market
 
2:51 PM
someone said that companies in the US can't control what you do on your free time
 
@Alex that doesnt make sense
 
that legally it wont stand
 
thats not a non-compete
 
@Failsafe that's part of the clause in their long non compete
I understand its not the totality. I'm just summing it
 
@RoelvanUden its when you get off work, tired from writing code all day, then get on your personal computer and start writing code for your personal project
 
2:53 PM
@NicolasCarlo Generally they can't to some degree. There are limitations to what they can control but its still prudent to play it safe and avoid the headache by not being overt about what you do
usually if a colleague asks me do I code outside of here I just tell them I do to build skils for here
Good blanket statement cover
 
@Alex How would they know you did anything if you don't tell them though?
 
tell the colleague you are in no mood to talk because you just traveled 3 fking hours to get to work
 
@Failsafe They wouldn't. Doesn't stop their attempts at snooping
 
@Alex Snooping? Like what going to your house and breaking into your computer?
 
2:56 PM
LOL
 
Talking to former clients I used as references
 
yeah i'd get out of that company ASAP...are they by any chance also known as NSA?
 
A couple of clients have mutual lawyers with this company
So its a "commonality" to spark conversation
Oh has Alex helped support your system or has it been a while type of thing
 
...
wtf?
 
Oh and they keep an eye on the clock
 
2:57 PM
get fired
 
find a different job
 
So if your clock times show a deviating hours or people take excess time off
They begin to question are you moonlighting
 
it's honestly non of their business
 
well what you do during work hours is their business, what you do outside of work is not
 
2:59 PM
@Failsafe You're right
The company CEO is a lawyer
 
AH!
you should have said that before!
 
So he tends to draft these over reaching clauses
 
now all the craziness makes sense...
start quoting laws to him to get him off your ass
 
His VP tries to run the place likes she's the entire Supreme Court Bench
Just your quintessential micromanagement chaos
@NicolaCarlo Funny one. I just mind my business, keep them out of mine and work on finding better opportunities
Less time and energy I have to invest in their qualms is more time I can invest in better opportunities
 
@NicolásCarlo Oh that! I have a life then
 
3:02 PM
lol
 
@Failsafe so you're in NY?
 
honestly, if I had a 6 hour round trip to work I would quit and go back to freelancing. The reason I stopped was because I can't motivate myself to work at home because distractions, but if I could spend at least 50% of the time not distracted that would make up for not spending 14 hours a day committed to a real job.
 
@Alex yea
 
What part if you don't mind me asking
 
Every once in a while our console app running a self-hosted WebAPI server stops working. Crashes on load saying "File is in use", with absolutely no file relevant, no other process holding the port or anything. It's like it's telling me "Go home. You've done enough for today". Screw this, I'm going home.
 
3:16 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan how often is "every once in a while"?
 
@Squiggle every couple of days.
I don't know why, but then it refuses to start anymore.
It'll be fine tomorrow. Or maybe after a reboot. Screw this. It's 17:15 and I'm going home.
 
@NicolasCarlo What kind of business did you start?
 
started out with just web development, then added mobile and desktop application development as well. its still mostly web though, trying to branch out further. i didn't want to deal with the business side so i have a guy who handles all of that, we split 50/50 @Alex
 
Sounds very nice
@NicolasCarlo That's the hard part I find (being technical vs being business in marketing, selling etc.)
@NicolasCarlo How did you find someone you could trust to handle that aspect so you could focus on the technical
 
Hello
 
3:26 PM
The T in TFS means trauma.
 
@RoelvanUden, remember I asked about canvas before? Can I resize an SVG (instead of canvas html5) while keeping the drawn line and polygons in the same place?
 
@Alex i went to college with this guy but its not a matter of trust, its a matter of finding someone who has the same goals as you do and who can't screw you over. in my case, the guy can't write code if his life depended on it, and I don't deliver the product unless i'm paid, he only gets his payment once i deliver the product
 
I've got a question regarding MVC and ViewModels.
 
so its all intertwined such that no one can screw the other person over, both of us want to earn money so that ends up benefiting everyone
@CodeMaster just ask the question instead of going through the motions
 
@KalaJ Uhm, in the same dimensions, sure, but in the same place? You can't resize something without affecting where the lines are o_o
 
3:28 PM
Is there any possibility to get the list from ViewModel instead of the table. This is what I get automatically when I create a controller.

public async Task<ActionResult> Index()
{
return View(await db.GenderDD.ToListAsync());
}
I want to use my ViewModel (GenderDDIndexViewModel)
 
@NicolasCarlo Sounds like a good checks and balanced
 
I was able to do it for create,edit and etc but not Index
 
@Alex yeah, i learned a long time ago not to build business on friendship and trust, that sht always comes back to bite you right in the ass
always have contracts, always have a way to make sure the other guy can't screw you over, and obviously dont screw over the other guy
@CodeMaster why cant you just map it to your VM?
 
I tried this one but there is no luck.

public async Task<ActionResult> Index(GenderDDIndexViewModel model)
{
return View(model)
}
 
wait what exactly are you doing here? you get the data from the DB, assign it to the view model and then pass that forward, you dont need to pass your vm into Index @CodeMaster
public async Task<ActionResult> Index()
{
	var someViewModel = await db.Gender
                .Select(o => new SomeViewModel
                {
                    Prop1 = o.Prop1,
                    Prop1 = o.Prop1,
					Prop1 = o.Prop1,
					Prop1 = o.Prop1,
					Prop1 = o.Prop1,
					Prop1 = o.Prop1
                });

	return View(someViewModel)
}
@CodeMaster
something like that,
um, i was going to change those prop names to 2, 3, 4 ,etc but you get the idea
 
3:44 PM
@NicolásCarlo let me test it. Thank you
 
@NicolasCarlo What techs/languages do you mostly work with
 
@Alex right now C# and .net (mostly ASP.Net MVC)
 
@NicolasCarlo And for mobile?
 
maintaining some older stuff that was done with PHP (kill me) and some personal projects that probably wont go anywhere on c++ and c
 
NUinit weirdness - test passes when debugging or running a single test. Test fails on "run all tests". Wat? Anybody got anything?
 
3:50 PM
@Alex the only applications released on mobile so far have been hybrid apps
so mainly html/css/JS compiled for both Android and iOS, but its not some kinda major work
BAM!
@Alex We work with companies to develop their internal software, so its mostly whatever technology works for their needs
 
@ton.yeung Hmm. Worth investigating but I'm not sure. The test is running on a non-existent file. I don't think there are any shared resources but I'll double check that assumption
 
watch out for static state too
 
4:06 PM
Xamarin is meh. Hybrid apps all the way. :P
 
web app ftw, so you don't have to worry about if ppl going to run your app on iphone or beeper. also you don't have to be bullied by app stores too
 
Hybrid apps are web apps, only then with additional access to the device. ;-)
App stores don't really bully you.
 
I've trying to view and/or edit a TFS build definition, but when I go the the Process tab, it says it's downloading custom assemblies for a long time, then pops up with an error saying "Object blablahblab has been disconnected or does not exist at the server." Why?
 
because it's TFS
 
4:27 PM
@RoelvanUden Is that basically a generated device app?
Is that how phonegap/xamarin work? Idunno.
Or can you actually get the additional access to the app via the browser?
 
need a programming issue to solve
I thot SO would spark a proprietary idea
 
You're welcome to come do my work for me.
 
@Sippy no, hybrid is more like a app using html/css as layout engine, but have extra access on device, like camera, flash light, etc
 
@tweray Oh right
 
@RoelvanUden woah. it seems to be wrong also on Hansha...
 
4:30 PM
Can anyone humour me on the usage of TraceEventCache? #tracing
 
Do you still work now?
i want to upload a simple change in 2 files so you could see it yourself
 
@SethKitchen parse html with regex
 
rip
 
@Jeremy been solved
kinda
 
4:34 PM
@KendallFrey go away i'm being unhelpful
 
no shit you are
 
lol
 
wait... you can't parse html with regex? you suck
 
yeah lol any idiot can parse html with regex xdddddddddd
 
I need to change row color in Table where a value=true, should I do it in controller or view (razor)?
 
4:38 PM
@CodeMaster </trolling> view
 
How do I add a number that it saved in total. Then a new number that adds it up and give the total?
 
thank, do you know any post or page which shows an example?
 
@MaartenWachters English please
 
I need to check against this value : @Html.DisplayNameFor(model => model.Deleted)
 
That was english @Seth
 
4:41 PM
@MaartenWachters Not useful English
nor valid, for that matter
 
that "it" saved in total. What is it
 
If you want us to answer a question, you need to give us enough information to answer it.
 
1. User inputs something in textbox
2. It gets added to the total
3. If user decides to type a new number, it is also added to that total.
 
@MaartenWachters Are you familiar with the + operator? It should prove useful.
 
you have a global int total
 
4:44 PM
ewww globals
 
you have an OnEdit function on your textbox
 
@KendallFrey I am but I cannot find the msdn page
 
ewww variables in general
 
or a button that calls a function which does
 
variables are dangerous unless you mark them as "consistent" with const
 
4:45 PM
lol
 
total+=Int32.parse(textbox.text);
did I explain that well?
 
I did that Seth But it doubles my Input for some reason
 
@MaartenWachters Then you're probably calling it twice
drop a breakpoint on it
 
I have. I fixed it by hard resetting my input after each button click
 
4:49 PM
yeah this is something you should post on stackoverflow so someone can rip apart your code :)
 
@SethKitchen Nooooo
codereview.stackexchange
 
Oh
well I can't diagnose more without his code. Sounds like he typed something wrong
 
Nah
What i did is exactly what you di
but the input was saved in input
so it ALSO doubled input
 
oh ok
:)
 
@Jeremy w8, that branch is still alive?
 
4:53 PM
Well yeah wasnt my code, its my friends for his homework i was taking a look and couldn't find it myself
 
Don't put it on code review if you're easily offended.
 
I need to learn databinding before i put my code on there
people will shit all on my parade if i do otherwise
 
It's always constructive and really helpful if you wanna be a better coder but they are not merciful.
Merciful code reviews breed bad developers.
Fact :D
 

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