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12:00 AM
@Shepmaster Which is unusual for days in which I haven't posted any answers or questions.
 
@E_net4 I can go downvote all of them :-)
 
12:15 AM
Meanwhile, >20k'ers are asking bad questions. Some things never change. :)
 
1:08 AM
@E_net4 over in your math world?
 
1:24 AM
@Shepmaster wait what?
 
1:37 AM
@E_net4 I'm being silly — I assume you mean the 20k question was in the non-rust tag
 
 
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3:44 AM
Oh, you unknown people that counter my downvotes. I'll never understand you.
 
3:57 AM
wew lad
@Shepmaster but there's a magic around doing that in Rust in particular — Jori 2 mins ago
> You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
 
 
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5:21 AM
@Shepmaster rust still need a lot of unsafe ;)
 
 
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8:44 PM
Does anyone understand this joke? Or is it just the FEARLESS meme without deeper meaning? :P
 
9:00 PM
@LukasKalbertodt haha, that's your change
 
@Shepmaster That's why I am keen to understand that post :D
 
@LukasKalbertodt I don't see anything deeper
 
@Shepmaster Oha, interesting
By the way: I sometimes see a non-accepted answer shown as the first one (while there is an accepted answer). When does this happen? I thought it would happen if it has Nx more upvotes than the accepted one, but this proved me wrong
@Shepmaster Ha, Shep is talking to himself on GitHub :P
 
9:16 PM
@LukasKalbertodt your formatting is a bit off on that comment
 
@Shepmaster Thanks, already fixed it two seconds after posting. But apparently those edits are not sent via WebSockets or something :P
 
nope
 
@Shepmaster I haven't thoroughly read the complete discussion in the issue. When it's settled, could you summarize what people who want to help should do?
 
haha
You mean when I'm done running my mouth off
 
9:32 PM
hi @bheklilr!
@bheklilr I'm certain that I forgot to say this in the issue, but thank you for seeing a problem and taking steps to fix it <3
 
Absolutely! Thanks @bheklilr, also for processing the data into nice plots :P
 
9:48 PM
I've been finding this posters comments... annoying
@Shepmaster I think I understood his intent adequately. The old adage is brought to mind, "Before you understand rustc's borrow checker, you first must understand rustc's borrow checker." — NovaDenizen 10 mins ago
howdy @voyager!
What's really annoying is that I cloned that OPs code and built it. The error has nothing to do with borrows. It's a standard use-after-move for a non-Copy.
 
🖖
 
Hi @Shepmaster, thanks for being so involved with this issue. I gotta say that I did not expect this much movement from me making a half-baked reddit comment, it's impressive how much the rust community is willing to help out
 
@bheklilr haha, gotta go fast ;-)
My main thing I want to fix?
> Why are so many Rust answers on Stack Overflow wrong?
The fact that it's in the FAQ rankles me to no end.
I know people aren't just making it up
It's also tricky because true newbies don't know which way is up yet.
 
Also, I should have some nicer plots when I get the time. I've already been distracted by this more than I should have been today. But once I get some time this evening I think I can do a bit more than 2 (mostly useless) histograms a scatter plot. Should be able to do some simple analysis that would allow us to better identify which questions would need updating. Those plots have no concept of post date in them yet
 
Like, if an answer says to use vec![] but they don't know you need a main function, then that user will think "that post was useless"
(as an extreme example)
 
9:57 PM
> It's also tricky because true newbies don't know which way is up yet.

I guess I've been a "true newbie" for about a year now lol
 
@bheklilr Nah, I mean at the day one level.
 
that is surprising that it's actually on the FAQ. Makes me feel a bit better about pointing it out
 
@bheklilr I will be very happy to see some examples of "this specific question/answer was invalid"
Which I know you said you'd try later today, no rush
 
yeap. It was a search about 2 nights ago that actually made that problem fresh on my mind for when I saw the reddit post. And I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I could find it again with about 3 minutes time at home
 
It's also tricky because you don't want every answer to start with "Rust uses Cargo, a package manager. Crates have features; you import with extern crate foo...."
It can never happen but I want the "you must have read TRPL before asking a question"
 
10:06 PM
I can understand. I feel like so many of the answers I wrote for #haskell were "If you look at LYAH in the section titled with your question, you'll see an example where this is spelled out in more detail than should ever go into a SO answer, but I'll summarize it for you here anyway to save you a click"
 
@Shepmaster There is surely a meta post about the topic of the discussion between you and lambda on GitHub, right?
 
@LukasKalbertodt almost certainly > 1
They have been around longer than most of us ;-)
 
@Shepmaster I'm going to sign off for now and try to get some work done for the next hour before I get to go home. I'll be on github later to update with those plots and hopefully one or two specific examples of outdated posts
 
@bheklilr Sounds wonderful, thanks again!
 
no problem
 
10:21 PM
@Shepmaster Holy. I didn't know they were such a high-rank SO user ^_^
@Shepmaster I'd like to +1 your GH comment, but would feel guilty, because I'm probably biased cause I know you... :<
 
@LukasKalbertodt But if you do that, you're biasing the system the other way! :P
 
@LukasKalbertodt haha, it's the thought that counts :-)
 
Oh no!
What a cruel world :<
(in reply to @E_net4, if that wasn't clear)
 
@LukasKalbertodt Sometimes we need a little bit of F E A R L E S S N E S S.
 
@E_net4 fearless case insensitivity
 
10:31 PM
@E_net4 :D yep, that made me laugh
 
@Shepmaster Referring to that rustjerk post: it's not even correct. The trait won't be imported everywhere (except if I have missed something)
 
@LukasKalbertodt yeah, it's the opposite
 
So have you all already answered the SO 2018 Survey?
 
Aye.
 
10:35 PM
yup
 
The part mentioning salaries and benefits was weird.
 
Gonna do that now, too. I missed the 2017 and 2016 Surveys for some reason :/
 
I just put the monthly income from my scholarship instead of the salary. I hope it doesn't screw things up.
(it's as close as a salary as I can get right now)
 
> version control systems
> Zip file back-ups
wat
> copying and pasting files to network shares
Oh gosh, there are some deep questions there. Those AI questions are tough °_°
 
10:50 PM
@LukasKalbertodt I've done approximately that at work
sometimes the official VCS is so bad that it can be better not to use it
cough PERFORCE cough
 
@trentcl Well, I guess better than no version control at all :P
 
@LukasKalbertodt possibly, if it's been set up correctly
 
Hmm, I can feel the heat from that GitHub thread.
 
one time I needed to maintain two parallel codelines with minor changes and merge changes from one to the other.
couldn't figure it out
eventually resorted to keeping a manual set of patches that I would apply in order every time upstream changed.
 
11:02 PM
@E_net4 I asked for help from $THIRD_PARTY_VENDOR. On two separate occasions. They couldn't figure it out either.
 
:'D
 
I'm inclined to say that Perforce wasn't to blame and we were just using it wrong, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I should probably know this by now... Is there an easy way to know which components are available in each rustup toolchain?
It's in there. :'D
So, I replaced some things in julia-bench-rs with impl Trait and it still seems to work.
Compiling it with nightly-2018-01-04 would yield a bad casing warning, but that's water under the bridge by now. x)
 
11:49 PM
 
@BrianCampbell If only that warmed my room. It was a chilly day today. :[
 
It's been a chilly few weeks here in the northeast US. Today is the first day we've had above freezing in several weeks.
But anyhow, since some of that heat from the GitHub thread is presumably from me, I figured I should check in here for other folks' thoughts on the issue; I would prefer to make clearly abandoned accepted answers as useful as possible, rather than just putting up somewhat vague notices; but @Shepmaster clearly disagrees.
Anyone in the Rust Stack Overflow community feel strongly about this besides @Shepmaster?
 
I could state my opinions, but likely they won't go far from the agreement at MSO.
 
I've been somewhat out of the SO community for quite a while, in part because of disagreements over issues like this with the wider SO community; I would like to make SO as useful a resource as possible for people who are new and random drive-by Googlers.
@E_net4 Is there a link to a recent MSO discussion about this issue in particular?
How to deal with outdated accepted answers that are clearly abandoned?
 
Hmm, that is a good question! :>
 

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