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12:12 AM
Anyone knows from the top of their head about the mechanism how those stdlib imports are resolved which are implemented in C?
 
 
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1:13 AM
@Arminius Nevermind, the shared libraries are eventually also just looked up in the sys.path
 
 
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4:40 AM
Okay, I saw this at work today about Trust, based on Game Theory. Its about 20-30 minutes, but its interesting. ncase.me/trust
 
Hello guys
whatsapp
 
cbg
 
5:05 AM
@LutaayaHuzaifahIdris please take the time right now to read our room rules sopython.com/chatroom
cbg, Adam
 
5:29 AM
cabbage
 
cbg
 
Quick: how do I convince my new employer to ditch Python2 and join the new millennium? :P
 
LOL - make him an offer he cannot refuse, maybe?
 
@AdamSmith tell them that projects are already dumping python 2 python3statement.org chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/43986241#43986241
 
@AndrasDeak that's actually really useful, thanks! I didn't know about the EOL timeline.
it was funny because I interviewed in Python 3.6, but when I got the job their whole code base is 2.7
I've done a little research and it shouldn't be too painful to migrate. Mostly it'll just be changing the environment of all the devs. Nobody really works in Python much, it's mostly just tooling.
On a similar note: I entirely credit StackOverflow with me getting this job. I'm entirely self-taught, have no degree in a related field, and though I have experience it's in I.T. not engineering, and I landed a role in DevOps :)
 
6:21 AM
Why are tuples and named tuples such an immense pain in the butt to subclass?
 
Subclassing builtins is always a bit risky... none of them are good parents
 
Yes, even the typing.NamedTuple is a butthurt
Simple objects like Point and Vector become very delicate to design.
 
If you don't need to support python <3.7, maybe you can use dataclasses instead?
 
@ReblochonMasque you can shorten the swear to PITA to not be as obscene.
cbg
 
Yes, I looked at dataclass, but I want immutable.
I looked at attrs lib too.
wow, the b*tt word if classified as obscene now?
 
6:36 AM
dataclasses have a frozen=True parameter
 
Maybe I need to have another look @Aran-Fey - I wrote prototypes with attrs, subclass of typing.NamedTuple and plain namedtuples, but I did not with DataClass.
 
@AkhilAlexander Please read the room rules, then add a python tag to your question and wait
 
7:51 AM
cbg-ning
 
8:08 AM
recbg
@Aran-Fey backport exists for 3.6 @ReblochonMasque
@ReblochonMasque because it doesn't make sense to subclass a tuple
what's a subclass of a tuple?!
"this is a special case of a binary tuple that is ternary"
 
@AnttiHaapala, Coordinates, Points, are good candidates for being tuples with appropriate methods: igraph.org/python/doc/igraph.drawing.utils-pysrc.html#Point
 
ah yes
the unfortunate + and * :F
I curse the idiot who made tuple into a "sequence"
 
Hi. How do i get the index of the current element into a map(lambda ... ? This here seems to be invalid synthx:

weight_distribution['weight'].map(lambda (i, x): i)
 
(that'd be guido)
@Phil lambda args cannot be in parentheses like that in python 3. Use lambda i, x: i
in Python 2 they'd have unpacked a sequence:
 
@AnttiHaapala Now it says missing 1 required positional argument: 'x'
 
8:14 AM
>>> # python 2
>>> f = lambda (i, x): i
>>> f(1)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <lambda>
TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable
>>> f([1, 2])
1
>>> f('ab')
'a'
@Phil then your arguments are not correct
 
weight_distribution['weight'].map(lambda i, x: i) with weight_distribution being a pandas dataframe
do you have any idea why
 
Well that doesn't tell us anything about the actual DF
 
I just want to map the values of one column to indices for uniform distribution
 
ah yes,
the map only gets the element
 
What is the index?
 
@AnttiHaapala ah thank you :)
 
8:58 AM
@AdamSmith no worries. Though I should note that the only official timeline is "python 2 support ends sometime in 2020". pythonclock.org is also relevant
nevermind, there's a cpython bar in there
 
9:37 AM
cabbage
 
cbg
I've bought a DataCamp License, and I love the courses. :)
I recommend it to anyone who's interested about data engineering/science
 
10:04 AM
Note to self: think before saying "I could build a simulator for that". Every time I cover all the circumstances and new and exponentially-more-complicated constraint appears from nowhere :/
 
Cabbage
 
@roganjosh care to share what it was this time?
 
I'm trying to schedule production of 8 products against 8 machines
It all started pretty simply - each machine can make a subset of the products and we have a sales forecast to produce against. Fine, just a standard combinatorial scheduling problem
Things started going south when it turned out that some machines could be modified to create an entirely different subset of products on a whim
Then some machines are monitored as two different machines depending on what they're making, so then we have mutually exclusive constraints. Then there are product substitutions if we run low on one particular item. There's optional overtime, seasonal products, constraints on overproduction (like, we can stockpile certain high-demand items but not other items). It just keeps going down that path
The seasonal products is the latest one. On the surface it's really easy, but in implementation it trashes my solver because I didn't anticipate it, so now it's a major rewrite
 
10:21 AM
lacks minimal understanding No MCVE / unclear stackoverflow.com/questions/52422259/…
 
Oops, maybe not
 
hello...when I run python abc.py , does it compile the py file and keep it in memory and then run it?
 
@Mahesha999 with CPython, yes, it will keep the compiled bytecode in memory and discard the source from memory...
any traceback that you print will then need to refetch the relevant source lines from the files.
@roganjosh sounds pretty standard...
"if Toyota would do something, then that's not what we want to do here."
 
10:37 AM
Yeah, it's just that these quirks are dripping in, I wasn't given enough of them at the start to build the base solver appropriately
 
@roganjosh be brave :D
 
I think this is the last one to be feature-complete
But obviously I should not have said that :P
@Chillie I actually enjoy these kind of problems :) I've learned a tonne of stuff on this because I'm having to do full-stack development since there are no developers here
 
So they've finally changed the omnipresent 10k "edit" link to "edit tags". And we said they don't do anything for us!
 
Sometimes I wonder what SO's interface would be like if they didn't get feedback from the community and all of these awful changes they made were permanent
 
I wonder what SO’s interface would be like if there were only good UX people involved that also used SO on a daily basis…
 
10:49 AM
If only there were a UX Stack Exchange
 
Different topic: Only a certain Jon can answer a question that has a pending duplicate candidate and still receive 6 upvotes after the question was closed. *sigh*
 
11:06 AM
@poke buu joncle
 
1M rep doesn't grow on trees
 
@AnttiHaapala The other Jon ;P
The more successful one *snicker*
 
inb4 bite marks
 
@poke did you want to summon the room 6 effect? :D
I'd leave a comment :D
 
No, I just wanted to complain that the ones who should know best often don’t follow the good practices..
 
11:10 AM
skeet isn't an ***hole so you could very well criticize without ill effects :D
 
@poke luv ya too poke :p
 
@JonClements <3
 
>>> class person(int):
...     def __matmul__(self, other):
...         return self * other
...
>>> poke = person(1)
>>> JonClements = person(2)
>>> poke @JonClements <3
True
 
I'm torn between admiring how brilliant that is and worrying about your mental health Antii :)
 
I abused __matmul__ in a slightly silly answer the other day: stackoverflow.com/a/52388373/4014959
 
11:20 AM
that's very bad
 
Cbg
Hi @AndrasDeak
 
hello?
 
@JonClements if you do person.__rmatmul__ = person.__matmul__ you can write
poke <3 @JonClements
and get the result
 
I... I... yeah... not sure what to say here but I feel like I'm the sane one here and that's definitely a novel feeling :)
 
11:33 AM
Such a constructive view on programming languages.
it doesnt support for loop similar to any other languages. I should put column after if for while ... I should put pranthesis for what I want to print, many other problems that I cannot like python. — DragonKnight 17 mins ago
Almost as supportive and well articulated as another comment I got today:
didn't worked man — selftaught91 49 mins ago
There is so much scope there to help people understand Python better! sarcasm
 
there are days when it just doesn't work, man
 
I never realized the ugly for(int i=0; i<n; i++) loop had a fanbase...
 
(DragonKnight appears to prefer JavaScript, so I'll cut my losses. If someone thinks Python isn't worth looking at over some small syntax issues but JS is, then there is no hope at all).
 
@Aran-Fey to put it frankly for _, n in enumerate(x): isn't the cleanest thing either.
 
Isn't it? What would a better alternative look like?
 
11:39 AM
Especially when you have to start doing things like:
 
@MartijnPieters I knew the name was familiar
 
for _, n in enumerate(reversed(x)):
    sum += x[n] * x[n+1]
 
that's when you start using numpy ;)
 
Wait wait wait, slow down. That code makes no sense
 
it could, like vaultah's code that was posted :D
 
11:41 AM
@Aran-Fey well it's broken (you'll first have to slice the array so you omit the first iteration, and of course initialize sum)
but at that point for (int i=x.length-1; i >0; i--){} in my opinion become more concise.
 
How about for i in range(len(x)-1, -1, -1):?
 
That is just as "ugly" or "clean" as "old fashioned" for to me.
 
fortunately I don't put deep trust in your opinion on matters for historical reasons :D
 
It's just a rearranging of the original for loop when you use ranges: you have defined the start (len(x)-1 vs int i=x.length-1) an end condition (-1 vs i > 0) and the step (-1 vs i--). The only advantage left is then that the iterator won't change in the loop body in python's case: thus you actually know it will always loop over the whole range.. Without looking at the loop body.
But "we're all adults here", and one can just decide not to modify it.
 
11:56 AM
Any C-style for loop that only uses i++ or i-- is trivially emulated with a range(), but you are almost always better off with direct iteration over the sequence in Python (with enumerate() added if you must have an index in addition).
 
If you absolutely need to reverse things, I'd do it beforehand : arr = arr[::-1]. And then, do a for idx in range( len(arr) - 1 ):
That would be clearer to me.
 
I note that there are four different types of for loops; the C-style loop being a variant of the traditional loop.
but the construct is really just a trio of initialization, condition and iteration-end expressions. So in Python you can always split those out into a while loop, or put them in a generator function if you must encapsulate that.
@IMCoins but that requires copying arr.
 
why does not python support C style for loop?! it is really ugly and non conventional to use range and other methods for complex for loops. iterations become unreadable.
 
@DragonKnight why is it ugly or unreadable?
Perhaps you just don't yet know better ways to iterate. Do you need an index?
 
@paul23 Why on earth would you ever write for _, n in enumerate(x): instead of for n in x: ?
 
12:06 PM
simple example: for i in range(len(x)-1, -1, -1)
why should I iterate till -1 when I know the lower bond is 0
 
@MartijnPieters That requires some extraprocessing, that's right. I just tried to make things more readable. But when we're talking about Big Data problems (those for which copying arr would be a problem), readability is not the most important thing so you could elude the copying part to go back to the former loop I suppose.
 
@DragonKnight Here's a readable alternative for you: reversed(range(len(x)))
 
@PM2Ring is in the example above? - if need say to use "values around x" instead of just use the value of x.
For example to calculate a Gaussian blur at point X we take a function of values around X.
 
that was just an example to show where unnecessary operation makes it unreadable.
 
@DragonKnight Because Python always uses the convention that start..stop includes start but excludes stop, so that, for example, a simple slice a[start:stop] contains exactly stop-start items.
 
12:11 PM
The value at x itself is of no importance, only the position is.
 
Well yeah, you can always find ways to use syntax to make ugly constructs, it doesn't mean that that is how the language is actually used
 
@paul23 If you only need the index, why are you using enumerate? Use range.
 
IMCoins is right. processing comple form of data without knowing the index using these kind of ways honestly is much harder. :(
 
@Aran-Fey do your consider for n in range(x): clearer than for _, n in enumerate(x):?
 
@DragonKnight Sure, python's for loop isn't as flexible as a for(int i=0; i<n; i++) loop. But in the vast majority of cases it's flexible enough, and more readable
@paul23 Absolutely. You have a bug in both of those, by the way.
 
12:14 PM
@paul23 Which example above? In for _, n in enumerate(x): you use _ for the index, but _ conventionally indicates that you are not using that value.
@paul23 Those two statements do 2 different things.
 
for(int i=0,j=0; i<n && j<m ; i++ ;j++)
 
ooh, really? my bad, now everything I said looks even more silly than normally. It should be for n, _ in enumerate(x):
 
this is so nasty in python
 
@DragonKnight for i in range(min(n, m)):
 
it is two iterators in one loop. in python I have to write while
which is couple of lines
 
12:16 PM
Two iterators that increment at exactly the same rate
 
@paul23 Ah, ok. Now it begins to make sense. :) But still, I'm not a fan of for n, _ in enumerate(x):. It's ok, but I think using range(len(x)) is more readable.
 
and why there is a column after for if while
 
You can use zip() if you want to iterate over several iterables in Python.
 
this is too redundant
 
The colon is too redundant, but the semicolons and curly braces everywhere are fine...
 
12:17 PM
@DragonKnight You keep saying "column" when you mean "colon". That's rather confusing.
 
@DragonKnight often that is the effect of trying to loop over two lists or something (with different sizes) - typically python way is to combine the lists by zipping or something.
 
Tuning out of this discussion now...
 
sry colon.
 
Do I smell garlic?
 
You smell a pre-formed, steadfast opinion
 
12:18 PM
@piRSquared Not exactly.
 
Well... cbg
 
can you share an example where using colon becomes essential?
for if while statements
 
@DragonKnight The equivalent of this would be : for i, j in zip( range(n), range(m) ):
 
If you're asking "when can I omit the colon after a while loop / for loop / etc?", then, never.
 
@DragonKnight Because Python is not C, or related to it like JavaScript and various other languages are. It has its own language design, and most Python user are (mostly) happy with the core design of the language. You might as well ask why doesn't Hebrew use the same alphabet as English.
 
12:20 PM
(a if b else c and [i for i in range(10)] don't count)
If you're asking "why did the language developers deem it necessary to have a mandatory colon after so many syntactical structures, even though the grammar would probably be unambiguous even without them?", maybe they thought it would look nice.
 
thats not the right analogy. and python is becomming ubiquitous in many fields. I believe it has to cover good features of many languages and becomes more easier to code
 
Why is for(int i=0,j=0; i<n && j<m ; i++ ;j++) being held up as a model of ideal? I don't know js and looking at that seems ambiguous. Is that a double for loop? or a single loop that iterates both i and j together? If the latter, i and j only ever get to the minimum of n or m?
 
@DragonKnight You are entitled to your beliefs. We are not obliged to share them all.
 
@DragonKnight: sorry, but you are not being very constructive or open to ideas here.
 
Actually, here's a contrived example of an ambiguity: for i in f(): (g)(h) and for i in f()(g): (h) would be indistinguishable without the colon.
 
12:23 PM
even with your analogy, the reason english becomes the dominant language in the world is that it was open to inherit words from many other languages. thats why few are speaking hebru.
 
You have very narrow examples, which usually are not used at all.
 
Why are we trying to convince them of anything, again?
 
@piRSquared It's a single loop that increments i and j in parallel, terminating when i<n and j<m is no longer true.
 
Because you'd use for obj in reversed(sequence): for example.
Where you have to generate indices to then access elements of a sequence in another language, a foreach iterator instead just gives you the elements directly.
So it is actually rare to have to use range(len(sequence), -1, -1).
 
Seems to me that if anyone were to start a conversation in a RoomForLanguageX speaking about how confusing / unnecessary the grammar is using VERY limited examples is only doing so to Troll. Anyone actually attempting to gain insight would go about it differently.
4
 
12:27 PM
I'll hide in a corner
 
@paul23 don't forget the popcorn
 
Room 6 has no corners. We only have elegant curves
 
@DragonKnight Python isn't trying to dominate the world. If people want to use it, that's great. If they want to force Python to conform to the models of other languages that they're more familiar with, they're out of luck. In several important ways, Python is radically different to many other common programming languages.
And I'm not just talking about superficial differences in syntax, like whitespace, colons, or for loops. The way variables work in Python is fundamentally different to the way they work in C-like languages. This can be a major stumbling block to people coming to Python from those languages.
 
Room 6 is a featureless sphere from which there is no escape
 
Recbg. Or maybe later :P
 
12:29 PM
@Kevin "Featureless sphere" is an oxymoron.
 
@AndrasDeak there's no escape!
 
Here's an escape: b'\x1b'
 
You can't describe something that is featureless which is in itself a feature... excuse me... /headexploded
 
@DragonKnight Well, if your argument that Python should borrow the syntax of other languages because it becomes ubiquitous, as did the English language because of the fact that it shares lots of other words with other languages... I think that is open to debate. speakenglishcenter.com/en/…
 
@AndrasDeak if you want to stay in the party you need to find some topic to disagree with us on
 
12:30 PM
@roganjosh I don't think so
 
@DragonKnight: anyway, it's clear that you have very little experience with Python, so I can't take your rather loud declarations that the Python designers have failed in making the language clear serious.
 
True. spheres have at least two features: position and radius.
 
Well I think so
 
@PM2Ring Nice. We wouldn't be room 6 without some bad puns
 
@Aran-Fey a double one at that
 
12:32 PM
I can only see one :(
 
I believe DragonKnight's main point is that languages are hard to read for people unfamiliar with the language which we can all agree on.
@Aran-Fey unicode escape which is ESC
 
Here's a python-y question: I added this character to a docstring in PyCharm and PyCharm subsequently highlighted my entire docstring in poop yellow.
why?
 
Hmm not unicode. Hexadecimal?
@piRSquared because why is that in a docstring ;)
 
@AndrasDeak you are very right. tools are to makes things easier for us. thats it.
 
It makes my example pretty. Sphinx renders it pretty and code runs.
 
12:34 PM
@AndrasDeak Wikipedia says this character is unicode.
 
@AndrasDeak ooohh, I had no idea
 
@DragonKnight That wasn't my point at all but I'm glad we've settled this :)
@IMCoins but it's in a bytes so it's literally the byte with value 1b
it becomes unicode when you decode it
Or ascii for that matter
 
Room 6 is a sphere whose position relative to anything else cannot be determined while you are trapped inside it, which we are. Its radius is difficult to measure, but most likely exceeds 1 kilometer, so there is a comfortable amount of space on the bottom to move around. The surface is egg shell white, and has the texture of linoleum. It is impossible to scratch, crack, or pierce. There is a diffuse light source coming from seemingly every direction at once.
 
SCP entry in the making
Wreaths of garlic hanging from the distant ceiling
 
I have been here for 2,556 days. I do not eat or drink, but I feel no hunger or thirst. If I am here for a reason, no higher power has seen fit to explain it to me.
 
12:39 PM
Do spheres have a ceiling?
 
You might arbitrarily define a sphere to have a floor, ceiling, and walls, based on their angle relative to the direction of gravity
 
Where do walls end though?
 
anything you can walk on without slipping is the floor. Anything symmetrical with the floor across the x-z plane is the ceiling. Everything else is walls.
People having shoes with superior grip to yours may have more floor than you do. It is a popular pastime to argue about this.
 
Depending on the size of the sphere, I might also be able to “walk on the wall” by having one foot on each wall.
 
What you gain in floor you lose in walls though. It's a tough trade-off when you're looking for places to hang your meme pictures
 
12:43 PM
The industry hasn’t caught up with spherical picture frames anyway.
 
In the early days, some alarmists thought that the sphere was shrinking, but they've quieted down since then
 
Ew, why are there semicolons on the floor?
 
I just noticed that my "chat user since..." date is September 21, 2011. Happy early room birthday to me, I guess.
 
2013-10-27 - not close enough for ordering a cake... :|
 
1:00 PM
Sleep never really comes inside the sphere, since there is no day or night. But most inhabitants will lie down for several hours a day in a sort of idle haze. As my seventh anniversary approached, during my usual idle periods I increasingly experienced the most peculiar visions.
These visions lacked any specific form or structure, but nonetheless communicated an idea that slowly resolved to perfect clarity: "among the prisoners of the room, our captor lurks, disguised"
I have told nobody about this, obviously.
 
Where do we go when we finally expire? Up into the spherical ceiling?
 
Just got into an interesting physics conversation where I got to share my limited and flawed views. But a question came up. What is a good example to share with lay-folk of energy condensing into mass?
 
I've never seen anyone actually die, per se. But it's entirely typical for an inhabitant to lie down for their idle periods, and just never get back up again.
Then, when nobody's watching, they're just... Gone.
There are always fresh users to replace them. But I never forget.
 
Chilling
 
Ooh, I the story of "Room6"
 
1:07 PM
@piRSquared Tricky. In a particle accelerator like the LHC you can give a pair of protons a heap of kinetic energy and smash them together. That will produce a bunch of stuff that has more rest mass than the original pair of protons, but a lot of that stuff will have very quick decay times, and give out a bunch of gamma rays, so you might not end up with much more rest mass than what you started with.
 
physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16777/… says "in particle accelerators, mostly"
 
Hmm makes me wonder: how would an ai "feel" about getting turned off? As turning off means they have no more control and can't turn on themselves again (otherwise a part is still "on"), wouldn't that be the same as thinking/fearing "death" in humans?
 
Humans fear uncertainty. Loss of power has a definite outcome - nothingness.
 
One might argue that your car gets more massive when it accelerates. Although it's probably such a small amount that it gets outmatched by the loss of matter via the exhaust pipe
 
OTOH, just heating stuff up adds energy, and hence increases the rest mass, but unless the temperature is huge the mass difference is pretty tiny, and hard to measure.
 
1:09 PM
Maybe an electric car, then.
 
@piRSquared positron annihilation, or the reverse: >1 MeV photon decaying into an electron-positron pair
 
Using E=mc², the amount of energy to create a kilogram of mass is equal to the output of a 3 gigawatt power station running for almost a year (about 347 days, IIRC).
 
(2*0.511 MeV for rest mass plus buffer for kinetic energy)
 
"You could power all of California with the matter from my fingernail" means, equivalently, that you can only make a fingernail if you have all the power in California
 
Google says: 1kg * c^2 / 3GW equals 346.741967 days
 
1:14 PM
@paul23 If the AI was designed to have similar thought processes to humans, absolutely. But I think the possibility space for the design of conscious minds is huge, and not all of those designs necessarily even have a concept of fear.
 
Sooo... No teleportation without dyson spheres?
 
thx @AndrasDeak. Isn't kinetic energy relative? So if I accelerated an object to (1 - 1e-10) * c I've increased it's mass. But that doesn't appear as kinetic energy to another observer in the same frame of reference. Does the observer measure mass the same as prior to acceleration? Therefore, is mass relative as well?
 
Also the mass of a nucleus is smaller than the masd of its individual protons and neutrons. The mismatch is ~the binding energy
 
the range of human minds occupies all of mind space in the way that a golf ball occupies a football field.
 
So if you have a big battery, and charge it for 347 days with 3 megawatts it'll increase in mass by 1 gram. Not counting heat losses. :)
 
1:15 PM
@piRSquared there's multiple kinds of mass...
 
@Chillie found a way of building 3 mapping dicts which means I don't have to trash how my solver works for this last constraint. Happy days! :D
 
@Kevin I am of the opinion that any system that has "self preservation" in it's list combined with actual self learning capability will have some form of abstract "fear": as in, it will try to evade doing things to preserve itself and as it learns it will also be trained that things that "look like an old experience I should evade".
 
I agree. Self preservation and fear are very closely related concepts.
 
@roganjosh Yay!
 
Modern treatments of relativity just use rest mass. Relativistic mass is a deprecated concept because it can be misleading and lead to erroneous conclusions if you aren't careful. Also, its value depends on the direction, which is messy. Mass should be a scalar, not a vector.
 
1:17 PM
Any AI we create for a specific purpose (other than "let's create an AI to see if we can") will almost certainly have directives to not destroy themselves for no reason
So yeah, Alexa version 3001 will probably have something like fear.
 
What is fear if not a self-preservation directive?
I'll start referring to it as such
 
Let's not go too wild on it though, since self-preservation is what prompted Skynet to nuke the rest of the world
 
@Kevin yes, and while that doesn't imply "fear" (or evasive behaviour), once you start combining those things, "do not destroy yourself", and "learn from experiences where you are close to destroying yourself", it will start fearing things.
"Alexa jump out of a window!" - great now she'll learn to no longer listen to people as everyone makes silly requests anyways.
 
(I hate talking about Terminator or any other Hollywood depiction in the context of the behavior of future real-world AIs, but I think this is actually a salient point, for once)
 
Surely fear is a physiological response. Not blowing yourself up needs no more calculation on whether you turn left or right at a T junction, but only one of those choices is likely to elicit fear.
 
1:20 PM
Hmm my idea was spawned by HAL 9000's actions.
A self learning AI, which due to a fault in the system tried to do everything to prevent being "shut down for maintenance"...
 
\o cbg
 
cbg Mooing
 
We really ought to hurry a bit though, we're already 20 years behind schedule to get a permanent extraterrestial living space.
 
It's not entirely obvious in the movie, but in the novel I think they reveal that HAL never had a fault. He went crazy because he received secret instructions from earth that were contradictory with the public directive of the mission
 
Space 1999 didn't exactly show that it works out too well
 
1:25 PM
@Kevin Yes in the first book, but the second/third book (I can't really remember, the book where they try to salvage him), it is noted that he was also really really not feeling 'ok' about being shut down so the main instructions could be updated.
 
Roughly equivalent to being worried about one's upcoming brain surgery.
 
Every emotion we have is a physiological response due to chemicals swimming in our bodies. Which responses persist today have gone through many iterations of trial and error via Natural Selection. We are organic robots whose machinations are complex and accidental. There is no reason to think that we can't eventually mimic "life" via artificial means.
Even today, I think it is completely appropriate to compare an AI's observation of some critical event and its associated re-prioritization of resources to our fear.
 
"There is no reason to think that we can't eventually mimic "life" via artificial means." - but will it ever be economically viable?
 
/shrug who am I to say with my limited knowledge today?
 
It doesn't seem inconceivable to me.
 
1:30 PM
I know that we believed many things in the past that have been False
 
cabbage
 
cbg
 
@paul23 If you enjoy thinking about that sort of thing you may enjoy the works of Eliezer S. Yudkowsky and the other denizens of Less Wrong. Yudkowsky has some interesting things to say on the topic of Friendly Artificial Intelligence, and lots of other topics. ;) He's a pretty smart guy, but he does occasionally get stuff wrong. OTOH, he's not claiming that he's always right, merely less wrong. :)
 
it's completely in our possibility to create in the future a spacecraft that goes to a star, and tries to find habitable regions and seed those planets with human life (from frozen cells). - but it isn't foreseeable that this will ever be remotely economically viable, so it won't happen.
 
Within the next 50 years, "economically viable?" will not be about profit, but about cost accounting of resources.
 
1:33 PM
If your last name was "Moore" what might you name your children. I'd name mine "Right"
 
Oh-oh. This OP keeps changing his question after its been answered. I rolled it back once, but he's edited it again, removing the data from the question. I don't want to get into an edit war. stackoverflow.com/questions/52425421/decoding-help-for-python
I guess I should flag it.
 
It should be auto-flagged now, no?
 
what "is the problem"?
 
You're not the only person to rollback
 
I think he wanted to change his question to another question instead of asking a new one.
 
1:43 PM
What I think as I make jokes typical of me around others who don't find them funny "Don't worry, they get funnier the longer you've known me". "Not True" my mom says.
 
@roganjosh I see. I just put a custom flag on it.
 
Yesterday in meat space I made a well-received joke about J-pop. I think I would have gotten blank stares if I had tried that in almost any other context than the one I was in
 
@paul23 Yes. That sometimes happens because the OP is ignorant, which I guess is the case here, since they just joined today. Quite often it happens because the OP has a question ban and they try to get around it by editing a previous question. We had a bad case of that recently on SE.Physics.
 
Since I'm devoid of said context, please enlighten me of what the "J" is.
 
"Japanese"
 
1:49 PM
Do Japanese call it "J-pop"
 
I consider myself chronically unamusing in the presence of strangers, because so many of my goofs require a common foundation of experience/culture, and I can't identify the central area of that venn diagram unless I've known the person for substantial amount of time
 
Getting to know someones boundaries takes time /nodshead
 
@piRSquared I think so. Wikipedia says,
> J-pop (Japanese: ジェイポップ jeipoppu; often stylized as J-POP; an abbreviation for Japanese pop), natively also known simply as pops (ポップス poppusu), is a musical genre that entered the musical mainstream of Japan in the 1990s.
I feel like they wouldn't have provided the Japanese spelling in the first parenthetical if it was only known as "pops" over there
 
@Kevin I made a joke about list.pop yesterday, but I guess none of the readers got it. O at least they didn't think it was worth an upvote. :) 10k+ only: stackoverflow.com/questions/52415604/…
For the non 10k+ people, the question was: "The following pattern should be printed using one variable only and without the use of index: PIZZA PIZZ PIZ PI P ". My comment: I'm sure there's a clever way to do this, but nothing immediately pops into mind.
 
1:54 PM
that is hillarious
 
Yay. ChrisF♦ has rolled back that decoding question.
 
It got locked, PM :)
 

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