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00:00
it might be more consistent to treat nearly-zero-within-single-precision eigenvalues as singular
dunno
that's more work, of course:P
well at the end of the day, the calculations are going to be done on the GPU. So most of these algorithms are going to be eventually hardcoded. I'm not sure how much that really impacts any of this discussion
doubling my memory requirements and killing my performance by switching to double precision was something I really didn't want to have to resort to... Like as in the performance hit is almost going to be so bad to kill the project
well, then try every choice at the prototyping phase (i.e. matlab and numpy)
try what happens if you compare full double vs partially double vs fully single with singulars removed
by "singulars removed" I mean looking at the spectral decomposition V^(-1)*D*V of your matrix (hopefully it exists), and finding the close-to-zero eigenvalues in D, and treating them separately with their corresponding eigenvectors
although 1/sqrt(M) should not exist for singular eigenvalues...
since sqrt(0)=0
as you probably know, the function f acting on the matrix A=V^(-1)*D*V is equal to f(A)=V^(-1)*f(D)*V if you have a diagonalizable matrix and D is a diagonal matrix containing the eigenvalues and V or its inverse contains the eigenvectors (I keep forgetting which)
I wouldn't keep your hopes up, though. The fact that your matrix is close to singular is a very bad starting point, generally speaking. Using singles on top of that doesn't help at all. But you'll only know by experimenting
00:18
So, if the matrix inverts under double but not single, your system is probably too stiff. If you don't need a very precise solution you can try using conjugate gradient (or similar) to do the inversion.
00:29
Out of curiosity, have you guys had much luck preconditioning systems for an Ax=b problem? Maybe SSOR?
@Mikhail Never had to, never did, don't know the background:)
01:10
rhubarb
tldr on cabbage and rhubarb? =P
 
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03:28
Morning
@AnttiHaapala I think I found the corner case :D
compile('''variable = 'value'
    """ Multiline
        string """''', '<string>', 'single')
SyntaxError: multiple statements found while compiling a single statement in Python 3, no error in Python 2
03:54
cbg
@vaultah yeah
@idjaw use the 10k tools stackoverflow.com/tools
see the top-delv questions, and find out those that will not be roombaed
@idjaw this was a good example stackoverflow.com/questions/39690295/… - answer with upvote
04:25
Cabbage :-)
idjaw almost at 10k, everyone please give him 1 upvote :D
and cbg @thefourtheye @Sevanteri
@Sevanteri could you edit so that it becomes a markup link :D
Can't do that anymore. :P
ah
there seems to be a whole tumblr for this
ah no, this is different
@thefourtheye this for you:
04:51
lol
The Good parts book is very old
I wish he writes a new one, with the new additions...
05:46
i guess nobody is here.
stackoverflow.com/questions/39714730/… here is one question which is up there from up about a week and also with a bounty but of mere 50 points. Thank you for looking at it.
 
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07:00
cbg
Hello
whats going on here?
exit()
07:25
cbg
It's official, it's a 3-day hangover
3
cbg
07:42
@AndrasDeak theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/… they had a referendum in Colombia as well, it seems
3-day hangover sounds rough
@IljaEverilä too many LIITs
I didn't have a hangover at all...
@IljaEverilä I read somewhere that they invented alcohol that will not give you hangover
@AndyK that sounds dangerous :D
07:58
Cbg!
@Sevanteri better link like that^, just noticed that there were some nsfw thumbnails there as well :D
:D
so it seems
there is also a "SFW" link :d
08:15
hmm bad dupe
 
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09:21
Cabbage, all
09:40
Cabbage. It's unusually quiet in here for this time of day / night.
hey @PM2Ring
Hi, Andy.
I need to get back to Python even more now
the new job may involve some python
let's see how it goes
It's a kind of magic! Created a virtual environment on windows and then logged in through debian - it picked up a reference to python automatically.
10:00
The kind of magic it takes fifteen or twenty years to create ...
10:20
Unclear Using Python in HTML for reading a db file - Jay‎ - 2016-10-03 10:00:10Z
10:41
@AnttiHaapala That one had a crappy pending edit. I fixed the edit so the question wouldn't go to the re-open queue when some robo-reviewer approved the pending edit.
11:04
khajvah needs 840
@khajvah :P
so stop chatting and go answering questions
I am debugging JS
which is horrible
@khajvah ask on so
I won't be able to ask a proper question
there are some weird events and callbacks
event driven programming is a meme
@khajvah Is it? I'll have to check later in the Future... not that I Promise to do so...
11:15
It's easy to quickly put together working code but it's hard to maintain
cabbage
Did @ilja get @Antti's share of hangover? That must suck:D
@khajvah Most of the times I need just a few console.logs to debug.
yeah me too but this time I can't
I can't find an event binding which prevents the garbage collector of collecting my view
11:30
Ah, UI... I have no idea :-/
lol apparently my edit to the russian wiki page about python was rejected without any explanation
I feel a sudden urge to contribute more
:D
In Soviet Russia, Wikipedia edits you.
@khajvah can't you create a circular reference?:D
I don't know any JS but drastic times might call for drastic measures
@AndrasDeak in Orban's Hungary, government referendumbs you.
tell me about it:P
Maybe I edited too much or too little but the main part of the edit was a fix for this: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/6?m=32466417#32466417 I don't really feel like reading Wiki contributor guide...
11:36
there seems to a be a funny looking code block on top of the English page
@vaultah it might matter that it's a featured article?
cool google chrome has a nice heap profiler
As of Python 3.5, it supports matrix multiplication directly with the @ operator, versus C and Java, which implement these as library functions. Earlier versions of Python also used methods instead of an infix operator.[60][61]
..........
wtf this thsi
@AndrasDeak frankly, I don't know anything about wiki policy
@vaultah does it even make sense to talk about "atomic objects"?
@vaultah me neither, but it's usually preferred to back up edits with sources, otherwise it's an arbitrary change from one claim pulled out of one user's ass to another claim pulled out of another user's ass
man, that talk page is inactive
@vaultah you should try discussing there
people who follow the article might get a notification, and they will know programming (for better or for worse)
oops, mixed up a bit:D
I'll just let it go away
@vaultah ?
Oh, the edit summary. Yeah, that doesn't matter much. It shows that it's not purposeful vandalism.
you could still be wrong, you know (from an other editor's point of view)
so either cite a proper source and try again, or use the talk page, which is for talking about issues related to articles
or just flip the table and move on:P
We've also discussed here recently that talking about pass-by-value and pass-by-reference might not be the best notions for python
so you should consider getting a consensus here, then enforcing that consensus there, then editing the page:P
I would cite the docs but there is some character limit for the edit summary, the link simply didn't fit
11:49
that's why you put sources in the article
ok google chrome successfully frees the momery
but firefox doesn't
I don't care about russian wikipedia, or anything russian really, so I'll just move on
@vaultah I can relate:)
I should quite web development :(
Get a proper job, one that involves numpy.
11:51
Morning all
cabbage:)
@AndrasDeak plus I will call myself a data scientist
SCIENCE
@khajvah win-win:D
Order a burger? "For Science!". Have another beer? "For Science!"
It is funny really. All scientists are data scientists. Otherwise, they're astrologers, or the like.
@JRichardSnape ummm..... no:P
11:53
@JRichardSnape theoretical physicists?
that ^
Still have data, surely.
and probably many other creatures
@JRichardSnape not necessarily more than 5
more than 5 what?
data points, you mean?
I think they have theories more than data, but then we're really straining my knowledge of the Big Bang Theory here
11:53
more than 5 data, which are parameters
gonna give a presentation about Docker like I am an expert
You can look at quantum model systems with only a few parameters, and see how they behave. No actual numbers needed.
function model_reality(number_of_dimensions) { // exercise for the reader }
Ah, sure, sure.
the BCS theory of conventional superconductivity doesn't involve numbers, really
except if you want to check what estimates it gives
11:55
Well, I would argue that the theories either helpfully describe a system behaviour, in which case the data is every time they are helpfully used and work. Or they don't. In which case they are disproven. Or there is no way to measure, in which case they live in a strange twilight world.
Which you may well inhabit, @andras :D
Well, I do computational physics with realistic systems, so actually there's usually a way to measure (oh woe is me)
@AndrasDeak It is that "except" that I mean.
@AndrasDeak Unlucky.
Tell me about it.
It's much easier if you can't yet design an experiment :D
We were hoping that atomic-scale magnetic patterns might be safe, but then they developed spin-polarized scanning tunnelling microscopy, now they can measure magnetic moments on the atomic scale:(
11:58
(Yes, all real theoretical physicists use Javascript)
As opposed to the actually theoretical physicists, who haven't been observed yet
A philosophical discussion about scientific method in some of the more theoretical realms is always welcome though. As long as you use jQuery.
@AndrasDeak That is pretty cool indeed (measuring atomic level magnetic moments). I don't understand the picture (except I assume that's an STM tip), which probably shows how far I am from understanding it!
@JRichardSnape b and c are the usual STM images, where the tip scans the surface and measure something that's close to the surface topology (where atoms sit)
@Ffisegydd omg, now this is wrong, French gin :/
12:01
(a) shows the SP-STM (magnetism-sensitive) scan in the left inset, with a theoretical explanation next to it
what next, English brandy
Aye, they were more familiar (b & c). I assumed (a) was to do with some kind of atomic orientation.
it's a weird example of a skyrmion lattice on a surface with three-fold (120-degree-rotation) symmetry, with the skyrmion lattice having a four-fold (90-degree rotation) symmetry. Which is nuts.
nods Hmm, yeah, the ol' Skyrmion lattice. Right. nods again, sagely
12:04
Is the idea that you can encode information in the spin, then?
(skyrmions are hedgehog-like localized spin patterns that happen to be topologically protected against local perturbations, if this says anything to you)
@JRichardSnape well eventually, sure. That's why anybody can get funding for research in magnetism:D
We already do that though, in HDD drives;)
but newer ideas include storing information in magnetic domain walls, or even skyrmions; these would all be MRAMs (magnetic RAMs)
There is so much to know.
Now drinking morgan libre
"Coming to a pc component shop near you, sometime in the next few dozen years."
or not
I like the "hedehog like" I think that analogy makes sense to me. Comparing the spiral to the "hedgehog". Obviously, I am but an engineer of Very Small Brain, so there is no guarantee I'm interpreting them anywhere near correctly.
@AnttiHaapala mais oui ciderbrandy.co.uk/shop.html
12:09
:D The hedgehog is a single skyrmion, it should make much more sense that way
such as this cutie
@JRichardSnape cider brandy, yuck
Cross referencing with known hedgehog facts:
- appears in a naughty limerick on Discworld?
- knows one big thing, unlike the fox
- gotta go fast
@AnttiHaapala It does sound pretty awful. Although, if you called it calvados, maybe it would be magically OK again :D
- hogs the hedge
Choosing most likely intended interpretation... Skyrmions gotta go fast. Got it.
12:11
@JRichardSnape yeah :D
I'm going with "locally prickly" and "spike remains, even after it's pricked you"
... so we are back to: "what next, English "calvados", now called "brandy""
Sorry for my sloppy phrasing, I've been talking about magnetic skyrmions. Skyrmions generally are topologically protected meta-stable solutions of a field theoretical model. A kind of soliton, I think. Sorry for the confusion.
notes in little black book
@AndrasDeak no worries, I am drinking too
12:13
But, for that Andras, we were all following you ;P
I'm glad;)
@AnttiHaapala I can only blame my sloppiness on intrinsic effects;D
but really, we should talk about something else, I don't want to soil the room with physics unnecessarily
Indeed not. I'll go back to needlessly provocative statements about science in general.
perfect:D
@AnttiHaapala I'm starting to worry about you
If Andras says solitons exist, it must be true. I knew magic was real.
12:21
That's my go-to dump line: "Welcome to Solitown. Population: you."
morning cabbage
12:37
@IljaEverilä It's official, it's a 3-day hangover ... Monty Python's Flying Circus.
I just wrote a simple 1D majority filter. I guess it might be faster to do this in Numpy, if anyone's interested in doing that. :)
12:52
nice, no mo memory leak
congrats to me
Well done - always nice to eliminate a leak.
Usually hard, too.
well there might me some tiny ones but I got rid of a huge one
@khajvah it's the tiny ones that build up over time and end up breaking systems... as the major ones are normally caught as they're more obvious... good job though :)
Indeed! If something's going to fail it's (usually) much better if it fails spectacularly so that you notice it ASAP.
Does anyone know how far back in time you can go before the locals start looking at you funny for wearing denim jeans? Asking for a friend.
12:58
@Kevin if you're trying to wear the jeans on your head... not very far back at all...
Wiki says: "Often the term "jeans" refers to a particular style of pants, called "blue jeans," which were invented by Jacob W. Davis in partnership with Levi Strauss & Co. in 1871 and patented by Jacob W. Davis and Levi Strauss on May 20, 1873."
Well obviously pants-on-head is necessary for time travel, but you'd put them back on properly before exiting the pod
@Kevin oh... right... "put them back on"... I must remember that...

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