« first day (24 days earlier)      last day (3215 days later) » 

5:00 AM
at this point I would just use a phone for mp3s
 
677 million records so far :D still have another two weeks and a piece left to import ... gonna be well past 700 million records
 
So tired of buying crap that breaks or has sucky software.
Yeah, that's another option. My phone is about to die anyhow.
 
@RobinCanaday anybody that buys a separate MP3 player from phone nowadays does it for exercise purposes
 
I don't want to use up the batteries.
 
@mootinator yeah, since you're pretty well just writing silverlight code
 
5:01 AM
I use the iheartradio.com app to listen to local radio on my phone without an FM tuner
 
@RobinCanaday I use my iPhone 3GS all day to listen to music and don't drain the battery below 20% (all day being 9-10 hours at the office)
 
I guess I should shop for a phone with long battery life. But I figure, the more functions it has, the more likely it's going to break.
 
@RobinCanaday yeah...
 
As long as you don't get an iPhone, you can always get an extra battery for $3 on eBay
 
I'll have to consider that.
 
5:01 AM
so nobody knows what a virtualizing datagrid is?
 
Never needed to know.
What is it?
 
idk
I'm asking
 
never heard of it
 
dumbass giving answers on a question and not using "normal" terms
 
5:03 AM
@RobinCanaday: he is referring to a SO Q
 
and 9k rep, makes me want to downvote
 
yeah I linked the answer above that I'm referring to
so it's a silverlight concept that uses in-memory datatables? I'm confused. Sounds like a made up term to me
 
Lol: stackoverflow.com/questions/4130295/… it took about 1 hour to proove a guy that his script works not as he is expecting
 
Something to do with Silverlight. Still don't need to know.
 
5:05 AM
@zerkms you have more patience than me
@RobinCanaday yeah, so get this, the question is about WebForms
 
@drachenstern: i'm at work and don't want to work ;-)
 
@zerkms ... I guess. I just stay in chat all day when I don't want to work
 
That whole question just confused me. He accepted your answer but I haven't figured out if he ever solved the issue?
That "Yes, Dan" comment was a reply to a comment I left and deleted an hour ago
 
@DanGrossman: i've proven that the issue is in his script. that is enough.
 
haaa.......... feel sleepy
 
5:08 AM
since he did not provide his session handler - we cannot help more in details
 
0
A: how to call ruby script from php?

Dan GrossmanUse exec() to run the ruby interpreter, giving it the path to your ruby script. http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php

-_- I am tempted to say "write your WHOLE WordPress plugin in PHP"
half in one language half in another...
 
what is up with the need of people to ask "how do I run server code in my javascript?"
do they not understand how this works?
 
no, they usually don't
 
@drachenstern LOL
 
and yet they want to play in our sandbox
enough to make me want to scream
 
5:10 AM
@DanGrossman Ooh! Ooh! Use curl to request the ruby page from the server!
 
@mootinator obviously you don't know how this works
jquery
 
I spent a lot of time on newbie web dev forums, and had to explain the interaction between the web browser and server too many times
 
into a C# WCF webservice
to request a PHP proxy
 
@drachenstern: after 5 years only gurus will know how actually http works. Thanks to "for dummies" books
 
to call a server with the ruby gem on it
returned in XML
processed by a CGI script to turn it into JSON
which is returned by the WCF in a SOAP body
 
5:12 AM
I actually picked up a book on HTTP because I wanted to know... and suddenly headers made sense! Imagine that.
 
0
Q: XML cannot be the whole program

vishnuHi, all 'XML cannot be the whole program' - anyone else seen this firebug error? happening when receiving remote data (json, as it were) via ajax. If data type changed json to html, working fine. This is my actual code in php: I reloaded the page, once session has been expired. if($action->...

I like that error message.
 
@RobinCanaday imagine that ....
 
@drachenstern You're right there wasn't enough javascript in my solution.
 
I talk to web servers by telneting to port 80... that's how I learned HTTP
 
XML cannot be the whole program [x]
 
5:13 AM
@mootinator lol, I try
zomg I almost really laughed, yeep
 
Well, everyone's gotta be new sometime.
 
I talk to mail servers by telneting to port 25... I was pleasantly surprised by how polite they can be.
 
HELO
)
 
C: HELO relay.example.org
S: 250 Hello relay.example.org, I am glad to meet you`
 
@DanGrossman you too? I was then gonna ask about Port25 but you beat me to it
EHLO
 
5:14 AM
You stop being new around the time you realize how new you really are.
 
@drachenstern I really did that to include some output from ASP.NET in my ASP once.
 
@drachenstern: have you seen lolcode?
 
<?php include("http://www.example.com/page.asp"); ?>
 
@mootinator I do something similar to handle my RSS feeds in my dashboard, but I only have the one layer of indirection, and I return proper XHTML for direct insertion
 
5:15 AM
so while it's heavier on the wire, it's done
@zerkms indeed I have
 
very polite language too
 
indeed it is
 
Some day when computers become sentient, debugging will actually involve polite conversations over telnet.
 
@drachenstern I sent credit card numbers to the 3DES encryption in .NET. It was more free than other cryptography libraries.
 
If you did that wrong, the fine is $500,000.
PCIDSS is scary.
 
5:18 AM
I don't think it seemed quite as scary in 2004 as it does now.
Perhaps that was naivete.
 
On the one hand, to incur that half a million dollar fine, you have to have customer data compromised, and be found to be non-compliant with the standard at the time of the breach. On the other hand, per Visa's own statement, no company that ever had such a breach was ever PCI-DSS compliant.
Either that means PCI-DSS compliance is effective at preventing cardholder data breaches, or nobody's actually PCI-DSS compliant in the first place.
I'm learning towards #2, with the number of 17 year olds running osCommerce web stores and a default payment plugin that stores credit card numbers in a plain text database.
 
I lean towards #2 as well
 
@drachenstern Agree.
 
ok people
bedtime, so until manana
 
night
 
5:22 AM
Goodnight!
 
sayonara
or something
I want a hot dog, but wawa stops selling hot dogs at night
buying an 8 pack and 8 buns at the grocery store just to eat one seems a waste
 
Heh.
 
I'm so damn cheap
 
Well
It's snowing and I have to drive into the city tomorrow.
 
I worry about a few dollars of food when I make thousands more than I spend every month
 
5:27 AM
So, I'm pretty much screwed.
 
why do you have to drive in if it's snowing
 
No one would work on the east coast if they didn't drive in the snow?
er, other parts of the country too.
 
@DanGrossman Saskatchewan
 
Eh, last winter there was a decent blizzard here, and I didn't drive for two weeks because my car was plowed in and I had no way to travel to a store to buy a shovel
I waited for the snow to melt
I guess most people wouldn't do that...
 
I don't really have to go into the city.
But it's nice to remember I have coworkers sometimes.
 
5:31 AM
I am hoping someone drives into my car this winter, actually
I would like to get a new one, and I won't be able to make myself spend the money unless my current car is destroyed somehow
I have far too many starred comments on the sidebar now...
9
 
Fine
I need to sleep now
ZzZzZ
 
good night, nice talking with you
 
Bwahahaaha, nice one.
You too.
 
Goodnight :)
 
Now I want chinese, and I'm absolutely sure there's nowhere I can get that past midnight here
 
5:42 AM
 
 
1 hour later…
7:06 AM
WHY would someone choose PHP to write COM desktop software?!
 
7:27 AM
1
Q: Are you a Geek or Nerd?

MosheWhich term correctly identifies those who enjoy and are involved with programming and technology, geek or nerd?

For the record, as per a conversation that was here earlier.
 
Nice question, upvoted
@DanGrossman: lol
 
7:43 AM
Hi guys
Does anybody happen to have a SQL Server Compact 4.0 Tools CTP2 download? Web Platform Installer just 404's on it's URL.
 
 
3 hours later…
10:49 AM
0
Q: Visual Studio creates invalid Resx files

Blair McMillanI have a pretty simple form that I am wanting to localize (I actually have quite a few in this project, they all have the same problem). When I set the form property Localizable to true Visual Studio generates a .resx file with the form name (as you would expect). The problem though is that it's ...

 
 
3 hours later…
1:30 PM
Good morning!
 
Mornin'
 
Hey, any londonites here?
 
How's it going?
Sorry macke, not yet. A couple should generally be logging in soonish
 
Morning @Sagar
@macke I am french :)
 
:)
I've been offered a job in London and I'm trying to do research into what a good salary level is, contrasted to the cost of living and what not.
 
1:42 PM
what kind of job
 
morning shingara!
 
the skill job can be in the salary
 
I've never lived in london and google hasn't been my best of friends for the past two days.
 
aah
 
you can propose 2 pound by SO reputation point :)
 
1:43 PM
ui developer
haha
This chat works so-so when you're running edge on a tethered iPhone it seems
 
I love this idea, but noome want it :(
 
jon skeet would own all the money in the world then
you can see how that poses a problem
 
maybe
 
haha
 
I can't believe that this is so difficult
all I need is basic statistics damnit!
 
Yeah I checked that out
 
ok
 
thanks though!
 
np
 
Seems the proposal I've been given is pretty fair, but what I'm really interested in finding out is the cost of living.
 
1:55 PM
bad there are not the same in france :(
 
since the value depends on the cost, if I can't figure out the latter then I'm flying blind :)
 
I was just looking at that
looks like a good resource
thanks!
 
Have no idea how update it is, but it was the first hit on google
I have black belt in google, but I'm a novice in source verification ;)
 
lol
 
1:57 PM
hello
 
Tom
Is netbeans.org down?
 
hello!
 
hello
how are you?
 
@Tom not opening here...
@Tony Not too bad, and yourself?
 
yea alright
fighting XML
bwah
I hate XML
 
Tom
1:59 PM
@Sagar, alright looks like it's down. I'm switching from windows to ubuntu for programming, not sure what editor/IDE to use. Mostly doing server sided javascript at the moment. Any suggestions? :)
 
lol
@Tom What did you use in Windows?
 
Tom
@Sagar just notepad++ with git
 
Tom
I will @Sagar, thanks. Did you ever use netbeans? Seems like many recommend it
 
I did a while back, for Java.
But not since then, and not for anything else..
 
Tom
2:05 PM
Alright, thanks again
 
np :)
 
Tom
Anyone using Firebug to debug javascript? Basically, I'd like my script to run without firebug too if it has firebug specific debug lines like console.log, any experienced this issue before?
I will ask in #Javascript.
 
is "console" the specific object?
Can't you simply do:

if (console) console.log(...)
 
Tom
@LasseVKarlsen Yea I could, but that'd require me to change all debug lines.. I will just wrap console log instead, thanks
 
user69820
from the firebug wiki
 
user69820
2:18 PM
The console is an object attached to the window object in the web page. In Firebug for Firefox the object is attached only if the Console panel is enabled. In Firebug lite, the console is attached if Lite is installed in the page.
 
user69820
at the top of the script you could define your own console object with a log function that does nothing if console doesn't already exist
 
Yeah, you could do:

if (!console) { ... create a dummy console }
 
Tom
Yes, works. I was just confused because this didn't seem to happen on my Windows machine.

if (typeof console === "undefined") window.console = { "log" : function() {} };

(from Raynos from #JavaScript)
 
 
1 hour later…
3:22 PM
@Sagar try eclipse with aptana, but don't use it from the ubuntu repo. I always have better luck just downloading it and running it from /home/gary/apps or somewhere.
 
ok so not a programming thing perse , but mymarkettinggenie.com is a scam right?
 
I don't want to check
 
@Gary I generally use Eclipse, even for C++. I've never tried Aptana. Might give it a shot. Thanks!
@Tony I'm scared to check :S
 
I just installed aptana b/c they ate pydev, but it seems cool
 
ok
 
3:29 PM
I've been trying to weasel my way into web dev
 
lol
Ok so here's a very subjective, and possibly stupid question: I have my own domain. I use it to experiment, and want a personal site up; resume and the lot. I used to do some basic web development, and like divs, and the fact that I can pick the colours - but I also am limited in terms of knowledge.
Better to create a personal site from scratch, or better to just use a CMS?
 
That's pretty much what I'm doing, I've got django set up with a custom blog app I wrote.
But it's ugly and I'm afraid of CSS :-).
 
Sometimes I feel like its reinventing the wheel, but then I like placing random squares and divs around, like interior decoration, you know?
 
but I'm serving it out through a cable modem and a intel atom box.
 
lol
 
3:31 PM
@Sagar Depends, do you want to learn more or just get something up?
 
oh ok, nice!
oh I'm always up for learning, that's how I managed to learn whatever little html and css I know (circa 1995, looking at Yahoo's source code lol)
but I'm also lazy
 
@Sagar Reinventing the wheel gives you insights into why and how people have solved solutions, since you can compare your own solution to others, which is good in terms of learning.
 
*true
 
But not good for commercial development ;)
 
lol the only thing i'm selling here is my resume, and possibly my privacy
 
3:34 PM
something like django's a lot more powerful than a CMS, and you'll learn a lot
 
hmm..
 
you still have to specify everything you want to happen, but a lot of common stuff is abstracted for you
 
ok
and its all python, I assume?
 
yea
they have their own template language too, for generating the actual html
but it can be extended with more python
 
oh that's cool.
I might look into that. Partially from scratch
Thanks!
 
4:05 PM
but there's no client-side stuff in it, so I'm having to learn CSS and js.
 
no shit how did I just find out about rollover on tags?
 
what is the talk of the day?
 
4:28 PM
i drank a cup of coffee, but i still feel sleepy
 
Tom
@mahen23 that's what coffee does with a person
might give you a sudden relative boost but in general it reduces your brain activity
making you sleepy
 
5:14 PM
Slow Cow is better.
Though it's one of those effects you stop noticing after awhile.
Like, after using it four times.
 
hola @mootinator
 
@drachenstern Good whatever time of day it is where you are!
 
11:12
oooh, early lunch on the boss's ticket today too... almost time to go I think
 
Okay...
 
nope, 11:45
 
5:17 PM
slow cow sounds great
 
so how was the drive into town, wasn't it you that had the snowstorm?
 
Yeah, it was slushy. The slush wasn't bad, the winter tires handled it pretty well.
The flat tire was a little annoying, but that happens.
I need to get a new wheel.
 
I need to air my tires, it's finally gone cold snap
 
I ran into the sidewalk 7 years ago, and the damage that caused has just started to cause problems this year.
 
5:32 PM
@Gary (from before - CSS I like, and I want to learn it properly, JS not so much, but it is worth learning because of its prevelance and pervasiveness(?pervasion) )
and /wave @mootinator
and /wave @drachenstern
 
and hello to you too @Sagar
 
How goes it, sir?
 
pervasiveness
 
i think you meant perversion
 
lol thanks, that's what I mean
lol no
I mean pervasiveness, not perversion!
 
5:34 PM
my big long running import is almost done :D I had originally bifurcated my tables thinking size was an issue, not so much tho, so I'm combining the two tables
705million records :D
it'll be nice to have some actual data to play with
CSS is definitely worth the learn for layout
JS is worth the learn if only to have a functional language to play with that can be directly converted from procedural code
 
yea, I'm learning clojure at the moment, too
functional is really cool
 
@drachenstern nice! how much longer left? It seems it managed to do 100+ million records since yesterday
 
it did those 100+ million overnight, once I finally reconfigured the query and the indexes
I calculate that it did about 28 million inserts in one hour (notice I didn't alter my queries or indexes) so about 10 hours?
just gonna let it chug in the background
 
cool
 
6:29 PM
How are you inserting them?
 
6:55 PM
hey guys
I have a project for which I'd like to set up an issue tracker really really fast
what's the simplest I could go for?
 
@LasseVKarlsen the naive way
insert into in batches of 100k at a time
 
(I'd like to host it myself, and I'd like it to be free)
 
'cos I don't care how long it takes
@zneak use sourceforge.net
I don't know why you would possibly want to host it yourself if you want it to be free, cos I'm CERTAIN your time costs money
 
@drachenstern What kind of database engine, and which programming language?
 
TSQL
2k8
 
6:57 PM
bugzilla is free and quick to set up. Kinda ugly though.
 
@zneak try bugzilla if you really want to host it yourself
 
it's not really for software issues though
 
and programming language?
 
sourceforge is still a better idea
 
it's to record issues about an existing software I don't own
 
6:58 PM
@LasseVKarlsen all within SSMS in SQL on SQL Server 2k8
 
so I can get an overview of what should be done to enhance it
 
get a free basecamp account :P
 
So you're really doing a variant of bulk insert?
 
pretty much, table to table on the same server
 
... aaaand it needs to support for multiple users (as in "more than 20")
 
6:58 PM
ah, ok
 
shame we don't have enterprise cos I could just leave it partitioned, I think
 
You could also try 'trac' but it is a pain from what I've heard
 
literally insert into table (fields) select (fields) from table1 just batched on 100ks
notice the table1 and table names (and that I had them backwards :p)
 

« first day (24 days earlier)      last day (3215 days later) »