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1:07 PM
Let's share some coding music, I generally code with this artists called Nujabes:
 
I code to Arch Enemey
 
Grooveshark links please :P
 
cant bob
 
this song is also pretty awesome jazz
Well, jazz + hiphop
 
1:25 PM
Hey, are there any mercurial maniacs? ;-)
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Q: Mercurial: performance of access via ssh and http

zerkmsFor myself I've noticed that cloning repo via ssh (from my own servers or bitbucket) is much slower than through http. much in my case eq 10s from http (bitbucket) vs >2minutes ssh (bitbucket) on the same repository. I'm using mercurial on windows (tortoisehg 1.5, mercurial 1.7) Both tests wer...

 
@zerkms never heard of it
 
I prefer git
 
I use bazaar
 
@shingara: I like both git and mercurial ;-)
 
But frequently wish I had picked Git
But when I picked, Bazaar had much better Windows support
 
user69820
1:27 PM
no I just save different versions of files with different file names, scriptv1.cpp, scriptv2.cpp etc
 
I don't use windows so it's not a problem to me that git has not a good windows support
why using both @zerkms ?
 
@shingara: uhm, i'm polygamic
;-)
 
I really love using Mercurial with bitBucket
It's pretty damn fast :=)
 
git with github too
 
@zerkms Sorry, I don't use ssh, too much hassle setting it up
I just use https on bitbucket
 
1:29 PM
@LasseVKarlsen: what about nickname in logs in that way?
 
What do you mean?
You configure that locally
 
uhm, can you show your any public project there?
 
Sure, hang on
 
user69820
is bitbucket made by the same people who created Confluence?
 
1:30 PM
i've seen that in case of http auth nickname in logs is not connected to bitbucket profile
 
user69820
i think it is
 
You set up your local mercurial client, tortoisehg or whatever, to use the same email address as the one you use on bitbucket
so in my logs I use "Lasse V. Karlsen <lasse@vkarlsen.no>"
 
user69820
confluence is a big pile of dogs eggs
 
user69820
just sayin'
 
This is the only project I have up on BitBucket
 
The name used on commits can be wholly different from whatever you use to access the site with
 
seems like i just specified wrong email
i thought that login+pass is enough to identify
 
For instance, you might push your commits to my local repo, and I push for us both
And it'll still link your commits to your account and mine to my account
Just use the format "Name <email address>" and it should work however you end up pushing
 
user69820
i've just signed up to bitbucket
 
yeah, i just specified another email, not the one i've used for bitbucket
 
1:32 PM
This has the unforseen consequence that all your existing commits can't be saved
Unless you replay all the commits to a new repository with the right email address
Can be done, but a lot of hassle
 
user69820
trouble is i'll have to find 4 other people
 
@thegrav Heh, why? :)
 
Why?
 
it is not an issue. i've done that 4 commits long ago. for now i'm using ssh and almost happy ;-)
 
@thegravytalker why?
 
user69820
1:33 PM
5 user licence
 
1-5 user license :)
max 5
 
1-5 = -4
:-P
 
It's a private repo?
 
user69820
but no need for online repo if i'm all on my lonesome
 
good morning :)
 
1:35 PM
if you don't need to share your repo - you don't even need to use bitbucket
 
user69820
exactly
 
user69820
my point is it would be more beneficial if I had friends
 
What's your project about?
 
user69820
also more beneficial if i had a project
 
user69820
dear Santa. please can i have friends and a project
 
1:37 PM
)))
 
user69820
PS I have poisoned the cookies
 
that is what mark zukerberg asked in 2004
3
 
LOL
 
user69820
if you want the antidote, give me my demands
 
user69820
your sincerely
 
1:37 PM
what about cookie poisoning?
 
user69820
@Sagar did it
 
:o
what?
 
lol
 
@zerkms lol
 
poisoned your cookies
 
1:38 PM
Did not! It was @Tony
 
user69820
actually it's more about Santa poisoning
 
@thegravytalker I thought you said "Positioned the cookies."
 
lol
 
user69820
@KyleSevenoaks lol
 
hehehe
 
user69820
1:39 PM
is that like flower arranging?
 
too many lols on one page
 
what's the funniest question you have run across on SO?
 
a Q about html parsing with regexes
 
user69820
@tony funny? this is a serious business
 
that is funny
 
1:40 PM
or the one about jon skeet
 
so, it can still be funny
which one about jon skeet?
 
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Q: Jon Skeet Facts?

Bill the LizardI'm looking for Chuck Norris Facts style answers. In case anyone is curious, this question was inspired by Jon's own comment to this question. EDIT: If you're into cryptography, you may enjoy these facts. Now with official sanction from the powers that be!

 
user69820
jon skeet walked into a bar...
 
haha
200K reputation ?? :o
 
the highest
also it was a really funny Q about programmers jokes
 
1:43 PM
SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
 
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Q: What is your best programmer joke?

hmasonWhen I teach introductory computer science courses, I like to lighten the mood with some humor. Having a sense of fun about the material makes it less frustrating and more memorable, and it's even motivating if the joke requires some technical understanding to 'get it'! I'll start off with a cou...

“Knock, knock.”

“Who’s there?”

very long pause….

“Java.”

:-o
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really awesome
 
I just read that...haha that is good one!
 
That one is great. Doesn't go too well at FOSS conferences though.
:D
 
haha
 
A SQL query goes into a bar, walks up to two tables and asks, "Can I join you?"
Oh god I love that one :3
 
1:49 PM
check out the syntax error picture
 
link it please!
nvm got to it xD funny
 
)))
 
On current systems:
>If you're happy and you know it, syntax error!
happy was unexpected at this time.
 
Morning gents.
 
morning
 
1:52 PM
[stop@hammertime] touch /this
touch: cannot touch "/this": Permission denied
3
 
morning!
hahaha
 
$ man woman
man: no manual entry for woman
 
:)
 
anyone here familiar with jython?
 
@wilhelmtell: offtopic detected! ;-)
 
1:55 PM
@zerkms how is talking about programming offtopic in a SO chatroom?
 
jython? sorry i only use rython
They sound like pokemon names
 
meh
 
White guys with shaved heads and glasses always look like Moby
 
Who saw that "Get him to the Greek" movie? The funniest part was when they were crunk and Aaron asked "Why is Moby whipping us?" It wasn't Moby, just some bald guy in glasses.
Moby?
 
haha, yeah I saw it. Diddy was 'Sergio' lol. Same name I also liked the part when diddy wanted to MindFuck the other guy.
"Do you feel me mind fucking you" xD
 
user379888
2:14 PM
Hello,does anyone know how to ignore multiple tags?
 
@fahad: to ignore where?
 
user379888
SO
 
@fahad: ignore what tags?
 
:-S
i can't get
 
user379888
@Sagar: I want to ignore all the questions displayed on my SO page except C tag
 
2:16 PM
oh
i don't think it is possible
 
user379888
I added many of the other tags to ignore but it dint helped much
 
jsut change your home page to this
:-)
 
that looks like the only way to do it
 
user379888
Or the other way was ignoring all the other tags
 
user379888
that took much of my time
 
user379888
2:18 PM
and dint even paid me back
 
user379888
@zerkms Thanks
 
why don't you just add it to the interested?
they will be highlighted. it is enough to emphasize
 
user379888
I have added it to interesting
 
user379888
but yet I dont like finding my questions in between other questions
 
If you're specifically looking for your question
You can click on your name in the top middle of the screen
It will show you all your questions..
 
2:20 PM
well, the other solution can be to install any ff extension that allow you to apply custom css to some pages
and you could apply bright colors to .question-summary
iirc it is a foxystyle extension
or no... but sounds similar
stylish
^^^^^^
 
user379888
@zerkms: I am not much into css so dont know that ,anyhow changing the homepage to tagged c was a nice idea
 
i think that it is the cheapest solution anyway :-) you could ask a question at SO about how to apply that style with stylish :-)
 
user379888
lol
 
omh, for now only 3 questions are not in my interseting tags :-S
(from the main SO page)
 
lol
 
2:30 PM
Hi
How do you tidy up global constants in functional programming?
 
Which language, @Mitja?
 
when chuck norris learned C, it became C++
lol
 
Sagar: D, for example
 
lol @Tony
I'll let someone else answer that. I'm not proficient with D...anyone?
(or even close)
 
It's a curly brace language :)
 
2:32 PM
@fahad just click on the C tag on teh Questions page, then you'll be taken to all questiions tagged with C.
 
@Mitja looks like you might have better luck posting a question
 
It was more of a generic question what to do with global variables/constants when applying functional style in C/C++-like languages.
 
user69820
is there an alternative phrase to "soup-to-nuts"
 
user69820
which means "end-to-end"
 
user69820
but needs to be funnier
 
user69820
2:36 PM
cheese-to-tea
 
user69820
?
 
funnier?
hmm
 
user69820
funnier
 
user69820
soup-to-nuts has a certain carry-on innuendo to it
 
No clue :S
Let me know if you find one though
 
user69820
2:41 PM
maybe I'll start a stackoverflow for these sorts of questions
 
Idioms and Phrases? That would be a good one
 
3:00 PM
Hello guys. Can anyone recommend me a good opengl tutorials website?
 
@thegravytalker whole hog? cradle-to-grave?
 
ooh cradle-to-grave! good one
 
@Sagar too specialized, too niche. Ask it on English.stackexchange.com
 
@thegravytalker I guess your proposed site already exists: english.stackexchange.com
Thanks @drachenstern
 
3:31 PM
 
oh the comments on the /. [n]evercookie story are hilarious
>And of course, NeverGonnaGiveYouUpCookies.
>>NeverGonnaGiveYouUpCookies development forked a while ago.
>>You now have the choice between NeverGonnaLetYouDownCookies and
>>NeverGonnaSayGoodbyeCookies.
Don't foget the MCHammerCookie.
 
user69820
@CadeRoux the whole caboodle?
 
user69820
4:01 PM
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Q: end-to-end alternatives

thegravytalkerI just received an email that included the phrase soup-to-nuts meaning "end-to-end." Are there any other alternatives to this? eg cradle-to-grave? I want to include some in the reply email.

 
user69820
by popular demand
 
user69820
4:26 PM
here, do you have to use mecurial with bitbucket.org?
 
@thegravytalker no
UHH, where did my comment go?
so the boss just tried to bust me on mass-email about wasting time reformatting SQL statements ... and I'm like "but I was just testing the SQL reformat from the RedGate SQL Toolbelt that you told me to install" back to the group. Then when I'm talking to the main dba about some changes I need to push, he comes around and she and he start discussing that that really is a feature and I'm not just wasting time. SCORE me +1
 
5:14 PM
so I'm trying to decide if I should regularly lurk in the SQL rooms or if I should just hang out here and wait for SQL questions to popup
the problem being I feel I have more SQL questions than answers most of the time
 
Hum
 
You 'betcha
 
lol
Anyone have one of those weeks, where you want to turn of all your senses, just so you don't realise there is yet another problem
 
That was all of last month
 
5:27 PM
I keep having those weeks, over and over and over again ... but I get a few good weeks in there too :D
 
:S
Monday I managed to deleted all of a weeks worth of output. Today, I added a new disk to the build master's LVM. It erased the grub configuration file, and I can't get it back up, so the entire continuous integration system is down :S
loud scream in my head
and it's only half way through the week.
 
This is a stupid week.
 
finished already
 
@mootinator couldn't agree more
 
@Sagar is this the same one where I encouraged you to try using testdisk?
when in doubt, use testdisk to recover data
better if you can take the disks/system offline and bonus ease if you bootfrom a livecd that has it already
 
5:38 PM
@drachenstern the file on monday, yes. testdisk could not find it. not sure what happened.
today is a different system. not sure why adding a disk would erase the grub configuration
well, i'm trying to upgrade the OS, in hope that it will keep all the settings, and still work like it was. fingers crossed if not, its just going to take longer to restore it...
 
if testdisk couldn't find it then one of two things: you overwrote key data on the file, OR you didn't give it enough slack to find the file. Testdisk has crazy mad options. Additionally, photorec is the companion piece, and it's even more thorough, but I don't know if it works on non-image files
 
possible. that machine was a shared virtual machine, and a few people had ssh'd in. i guess i was not fast enough in telling everyone to gtfo the machine
anyway, i've started the processing over, so that does not really matter at this point. thanks though, i'm keeping testdisk/photorec in mind
 
yep, just trying to share nuggets where I can
 
Finally, time to merge the last changes to this release of no apparent value to the client which doesn't seem to end.
 
lol
 
5:53 PM
just because not everyone here lives in C# as well :p
 
What is 'bool?'
I mean what's with the question mark?
 
What is '??'?
 
What's 'var'? lol
 
lol
so bool? means nullable bool
could be true, false, null
 
ok
dangerous, but ok
 
5:56 PM
var just means "I don't care what I get, you deal with it compiler" and it does (it's actually strongly typed)
 
huh
that would be interesting
 
yar, the point was could you coalesce (??) two bools
so technically I am coalescing two bool values
just a trick of the code, nothing more
 
k
Would everything be a var then? Like 'Object' in Java?
 
you could but I don't particularly
a lot of people do
ask @LasseVKarlsen about it
 
ok
 
6:04 PM
what is the question?
 
@LasseVKarlsen in .NET, would everything be a var then? Like 'Object' in Java?
 
var does not mean object
 
What exactly is 'var'?
 
var means: look on the right side of the assignment operator, figure out the type of that expression, and make my variable that type
so var x = ""; is exactly the same as string x = "";
 
aah ok
 
6:08 PM
var was primarily added for Linq-support
for handling anonymous types
 
holy crap, my entire team is gone ... very twilight zone effect
 
@LasseVKarlsen thanks. it looks very useful.
lol where to?
lol twilight zone
 
idk where, could be lunch since it's 12:09 here
 
hmm
I'm trying to put up lunch as much as possible. Time after lunch always seems to go faster, no?
 
6:39 PM
not for me, but that's cos I get in about 9, so from 9 - 12 really is barely time to get working on a problem. Some days I may go as late as 2, others I go at 11:30 so the time when I get back till 7 is where I get the most of mine done
I use my pre-lunch as my coordination with others time, and my post-lunch as my "don't bother me lest its urgent"
and then I sit on chat.so :p
time for pizza and headphones and SQL, ttyl
 
LOL
 
7:10 PM
anybody ever wrote a sax parser?
I mean implemented one
 
zomg ... this is incredible
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A: Why code-as-data?

Rainer JoswigAs a Lisp programmer you learn to think of a program source as data. It is no longer static text, but data. In some forms of Lisp the program itself is that data structure, which gets executed. Then all the tools are oriented that way. Instead of a textual macro processor Lisp has a macro system...

@Gary give a bit of a usecase? implementing it should be fairly simple, using whatever API is provided in the documentation
 
just trying to figure out how to get the string from a string element. I've got a stack of elements, and I guess the parser calls my characters(char[], int, int), but it's making me feel stupid.
what does it do?
i'm concerned that if there's comments or something my approach won't work, I've got a big switch statement on the element type in my characters method
 
will you post an SO question with code? stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-ask
 
meh, i'd rather search some more I guess. it feels like it should be really simple.
 
holy crap that lisp question is awesome, I never knew lisp did that
@Gary I've posted lots of "uh duh" XML questions, never be sure that it's as simple as you want it to be
but conversely don't be surprised when it's simpler ;)
 
7:17 PM
yea, xml makes me hate my life
 
until I got a good handle on it in .NET I did too. Also, I hate java-.net interop on Java, it seems like every server is setup differently, so they all namespace differently or whatever... real pain in the arse
 
it just seems like way too much work to get the same thing you started with, and I'm not allowed to use a marshalling tech this time around
i'd really prefer to be using castor or something
 
why the restriction on marshalling tech?
 
not really sure, heh, i think my manager didn't like the classes jaxb generated and was like, 'just use sax'
but castor seems really cool, you can just use a mapping file from schema to pojos
 
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Q: Screen scraping HTML pages with JavaScript inside of a Cocoa application

user503516I'm writing a Mac (desktop) application that's going to do a lot of screen scraping. What I want to achieve is to have an ability to emulate a web browser session (form authentication, multiple form submissions, and file downloads in one session) but I do not want to show it to the user. I foun...

that user is a little ambitious, no?
@Gary If my boss told me to not use the XML tools I have, I would seriously pitch a fit. The whole point in having tools is so we don't have the headaches you're talking about. DRY and don't reinvent the wheel.
 
7:24 PM
haha, yea. we're not in the early 90's anymore
 
plus sax is just ass-backwards
 
7:36 PM
I wonder if the real City of Saskatoon Twitter account will ever surpass the number of followers my "fake" one has.
 
@mootinator Hahahah
 
7:53 PM
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Q: Is System.Drawing too slow for what we wish to do?

KivinI'm currently working on the user interface of a win forms application. The primary window is a borderless form whose surface area is almost entirely rendered in the Form.Paint event. A back buffer is created and it's drawn fairly conventionally: private void form_Paint(object sender, PaintEvent...

why don't people understand this concept?
build, test, profile, optimize, test, profile, optimize, ....
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Q: Convert cvs to mercurial

adrianmI'm trying to convert a CVS repository to mercurial but can't get it to work. I start with a clean checkout: cvs -d :sspi;username=xxx;hostname=yyy.local:/cvsrepos checkout repo Which works fine I then do: hg convert . But it fails with: assuming destination .-hg initializing destina...

thought @LasseVKarlsen might like to see that last one
 
Already looked at it, I'm not an expert in hg conversion
 
Q1: You would think people would realise one can't speed up something that does not exist yet
My CI system is almost back up! :D
 
@LasseVKarlsen just that you're working on hg stuff, kind of thought it was an interesting case study in "omg this doesn't work! zomghelp11"
I also wonder if he couldn't have gotten it to work without copying it over to his local machine in entirety
 
Apparently the VS designer dropped some event delegates at some point in the last two weeks. That makes me feel safe.
Client: "This button doesn't do anything anymore."
Me: "That is...correct......."
 
haha
How does one teach oneself not to use 'rm -rf', but instead use 'rm -i'; not to use 'mv' and instead use 'cp' ?
 
8:18 PM
alias rm -rf ?
 
kinda hard to do when using multiple systems, especially on production and client systems :S
I'm trying to create a habit :\
or rather get rid of a bad one
 
8:39 PM
alias rm -rf to shockuser on some machines
Of course, you'll have to write the program to deliver a keyboard shock yourself.
 
I'm not linux pro, but couldn't you do:
alias rm -rf echo `Don't do that fool!`
although the keyboard shock might be more effective :P
 
lol
 
I'm glad the designer rearranged things as much as possible, so I couldn't just use merge to fix that issue
 

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