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reason being @Braiam? the close came after edit and no comments?
@Drew what {::} means vs why this {::} doesn't work in this scenario
the answers aren't even near
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@Drew I agree with Braiam, it may be a duplicate of a question, but it isn't a duplicate of that question. One is asking what something is, the other is asking why that thing isn't working in a specific case.
@Braiam Tushar has a community wiki answ, a week old, and a dozen net votes
u guys know 9m x's more than me on this one
@Drew and? It doesn't answer what {::} means at all
user4639281
00:39
@MsYvette Nothing has changed, don't worry. I don't know why Nord wouldn't be watching you.
s/It doesn't/The other question which is the target duplicate doesn't/
user4639281
@Drew Yeah, you can't apply the answers from the target to the original at all, completely irrelevant.
note: I'm going basically by semantics and common sense, I know next to nothing in angular
just document a comment in the question. we are flying blind with a "reopen pls"
"I recommend a reopen vote bec: _ _ _ _ _"
user4639281
@ReopenVoters: This question is asking what a one-time binding is, the target question is asking why the one-time binding does not work in that specific circumstance, the answers to which are completely irrelevant to this question. — Tiny Giant 7 secs ago
00:49
so Tushar's answer is wildly off base according to Braiam just curious ?
Not that that is at all relevant to the reopen request
here's the reopen review task stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/10900185
9 mins ago, by Braiam
s/It doesn't/The other question which is the target duplicate doesn't/
"It" was undetermined, so that's the confusion, and yes, Tushar does answer the question
user4639281
Yeah Tushar's answer is spot on
I was just confused what B wrote about the Answer wrong unless he was talking about some other thing
user4639281
The answers on the target don't answer the original is what Braiam was saying
ah
user4639281
01:17
@riz lulz
user4639281
@gnat has a funny one about an ad about trolling on a troll question here on Stack
user4639281
Wow, the new MIT license post got downvoted to hell quite quickly, and it fixed all of the problems with the original. That's hilarious. I upvoted any way.
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back in a minute
60..
01:42
I'm waiting to see if when the MIT license post will hit -100 (it's at -93 right now), I can't remember any other featured posts going that low
ridiculous post
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Back.
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Thank god highways have two lanes, people are horribly slow
@TinyGiant that don't work in my country
user4639281
What, slow people drive in both lanes?
01:56
mm... how can I explain myself...
lets say, there's a bus stop on a 3-4 lanes avenue, buses would block the 4 lanes
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Lol
user4639281
I also like that the engines in chevy hhr's have a nicely undersquare bore:stroke ratio, lots of torque for a little car.
for a moment I was thinking you would be talking about how silent was your car engine... I can't enjoy that either...
user4639281
Nah, it has a couple holes in the exhaust, so it ain't very quiet for a newish-er car
user4639281
Definitely not nearly as loud as my suburban, but I made that one loud on purpose
user4639281
02:00
That one has tonnes of torque too, but the front end weighs as much as the whole hhr
in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 14 '13 at 16:19, by Jimmy Hoffa
@Braiam you're lucky to live there though I gotta say: Driving through Santo Domingo was like driving in an arcade game. That was pure insanity, one of the most exhilirating, scary, hilarious things I'd ever done in a car.
user4639281
Living inside of a video game would be pretty awesome
could this thing be simply put on hold and not migrated to SU by a mod? thx stackoverflow.com/q/34782558
cuz I don't think SU would apprec it. So no vote from me
tell me if it gets migrated... I will kick it back from the other side
user3956566
@TinyGiant meh he's pretty much a stalker anyway, as colourful as he is
user3956566
02:13
@Closey next 5 tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@MsYvette The next 5 tags are: 79, 71, 56, 43, 38
user4639281
@Drew Questions closed with the general computing reason aren't migrated, and mods don't migrate crap (usually)
user4639281
eggs, faces, all that stuff
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@MsYvette Totally.
user3956566
new script for searching on close votes is good
02:16
@MsYvette I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
user3956566
yes now that I've complained about you
user4639281
Awesome, I haven't included the inline editing in there yet because I have another script that does that, but I'm sure you probably aren't using it for editing.
user4639281
@MsYvette I was just about to say, lol
user3956566
@TinyGiant not when closing no
user3956566
I'm using the new editing script
user3956566
02:17
it's great
user3956566
I'm jsut husterically busy atm
user4639281
Which new editing script?
user3956566
so just coming on the review
user3956566
it's on your repo
user3956566
hang on
user4639281
02:17
Did I put something up there? thinks back
user3956566
no
user4639281
inline editing everywhere?
user3956566
someone else did @Mogsdad
user4639281
Ohh the magic editor
user3956566
magic editing icon in editor window
user4639281
02:18
Yeah, we've been working on that for a long time now
user3956566
it's nice
user3956566
I've tested it quite a bit, it's good
user3956566
good work
user3956566
@Closey next 15 tags
user4639281
02:19
Awesome, thanks. The regex stuff is mostly mogsdad, the magic stuff is mostly me.
user3956566
did you get to those posts that had votes that were ready to die?
user3956566
in the old closey tag queue?
user3956566
I think we'd already voted on them
user4639281
I went through the tags, I only found maybe 12.
user3956566
it would be good to run a script that just looks for 4 votes, by longest time last voted
user3956566
02:21
:)
user3956566
like you don't have enough to do
user3956566
No tag
user3956566
just on number of votes and maybe time of last vote exceeds bla
user4639281
Can't search for vote times, that info isn't exposed.
user3956566
ah
user3956566
02:22
hm
next time someone starts saying stuff about equality and what not... just answer with this:
user3956566
I'm only going through android on the review queue
user3956566
@Braiam hey who you calling a dog :p
user4639281
there's over 10,000,000 questions, divide that by 100 questions per page and you get 10,000 so you would run through you're api quota before you get to the end of the list.
user3956566
@TinyGiant I'm only going through android tag on review queue
user3956566
02:23
and then all other tags on your one
user4639281
Sounds good. I'm going to do a review session later on
user3956566
so I'd like to target the tags that need it the most, so using closey for that atm
user3956566
BUT
user3956566
I need to keep a list of the bottom 10 tags from closey for the past two weeks (a running list)
user3956566
and just check those tags also, does that make sense?
user4639281
02:24
Yeah.
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-96
Q: A New Code License: The MIT, this time with Attribution Required

samthebrand TLDR: This is a follow-up to our initial proposal for transitioning to a more user-friendly code license. The purpose of this post is to address the concern expressed most frequently in response to the initial proposal: no attribution requirement. Also, we want to make sure everyone has ample ...

user4639281
If you haven't done so already, please read that and vote everyone.
Rob
Rob
02:48
Anyone here have a dupe hammer?
user4639281
@Rob @Tigerhawk and @BhargavRao both have one
Rob
Rob
Alternatively, are there 4 people here who can help get rid of this duplicate chain: stackoverflow.com/questions/17413502/…
@Tiny Cheers, hopefully one is around
user4639281
For what reason should they be reopened?
Rob
Rob
They should all be marked as a duplicate against stackoverflow.com/questions/21122540/…
user4639281
@MartijnPieters there is a discussion going on about this closure here, could you stop by and give your opinion on the matter? — Tiny Giant 8 secs ago
user4639281
02:52
He may not be on until tomorrow though.
Rob
Rob
Yeah no worries. It's not a big deal, but at least for me personally it's extremely annoying to follow a dupe chain when searching for an answer :)
Especially since the target is far more informative than the rest
user4639281
I hope you don't mind, but I'd rather get Martijn's opinion before going against that. Plus, he could unilaterally do that if he agrees
Rob
Rob
Not a problem
Looks like each one in the chain was marked as a duplicate at a later time
user4639281
03:16
polp
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user4639281
04:13
@PierreLafortune Please try to keep the language neutral, outside users view the transcript and words like "bomb", "boom", and "kill" aren't very nice. Also, please prefix your requests with [tag:cv-pls] so that it can be picked up by our multiple scripts and bots for analysis and more attention.
Oh, @Tiny Did you check that tag?
user4639281
Yeah, I took a look and it mostly seems to be full of off-topicness. If anything in there is on-topic, the tag isn't necessary.
user4639281
Not to mention it is the first real discussion about the VLQ flag in a long time, and the most in depth by far
user4639281
04:28
But, alas, no one cares about the lowly VLQ flag. They would rather just misuse it regularly.
04:46
@TinyGiant Huh, that's fine.
Rob
Rob
04:59
@TinyGiant This question meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/314781/… has completely changed its meaning (OP equated a declined and rejected flag as the same thing)
user4639281
@Rob It still means the same thing, it was just originally a misconception of the difference between rejection and disputed. Your suggested dupe there isn't a very good dupe target.
user4639281
The user isn't asking what the difference between declined and disputed, that is just a little bit of the question.
Rob
Rob
I think it's a perfect target. OP is asking why his flag was rejected
When infact it was disputed, and the first sentence of the dupe is "What does it mean when a flag is disputed? How is that different from being declined?"
user4639281
The question was changed so that now he's asking why it was disputed.
user4639281
That's when I answered it.
user4639281
05:06
He isn't asking what the difference is, he's asking why it was.
user4639281
There, no more reference of rejection, only dispution
Rob
Rob
I guess so. I still believe they're simply confused about what 'disputed' means as they're asking why reviewers rejected the flag (when they didn't). It's not really an answerable question, but the duplicate will provide some information as to why it wasn't accepted
user4639281
They know it was rejected in the review queue, not by a mod, so there's no misconception.
user4639281
My answer provides a lot more specific information about the case the user is asking about.
not great ROI for this effort. Didnt read it yet meta.stackoverflow.com/a/314747
user4639281
05:09
That includes a reference to the actual review which was asked for, and how many reviewers disagreed, which was also asked for.
Rob
Rob
Right, fair enough then.
How did you manage to find that review task, by the way?
user4639281
the from review link in the comment on the answer.
user4639281
I also have other magical ways, depending on the situation.
Rob
Rob
Ah, well that makes it easier heh
just think how many more maniacal ways come another 800 rep tg
user4639281
05:13
inorite? I feel dirty.
u will need 7 showers a day
user4639281
Whatever it takes to get to 10k
user4639281
I don't know how that other answer got two upvotes though
yo tg remember that post you made on dec 24 about the url on the other site about cv's ? Like 3pm your time
shog responded
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Not ringing a bell...
05:19
so many sites. i think FR or something meta.stackapps or meta data this or that
the "hey how did I vote Question"
user4639281
I don't usually post on stackapps
user4639281
Ohhhh, on mse for close votes
user4639281
yeah
user4639281
What about it?
05:23
asked you or began to ask you a few weeks ago. If I recall they shut that url down
after the Q you posted
user4639281
orly?
user4639281
Yeah, that means you haven't voted on it.
unless I am screwing it up
user4639281
[{"PostId":34804605,"VoteTypeId":2},{"PostId":34804638,"VoteTypeId":3}] on a post I voted on
05:26
I guess what I think I am asking is that before (3 weeks ago), didn't it give one the output of the other summations ... that is the total of the outstanding. Perhaps all voters
user4639281
No, it only shows you your up or down votes on the post.
... that they shut down unless I am mistaken
user4639281
Are you looking for posts/POST_ID/vote-counts?
user4639281
All of these things are implementation details that I found through hacking existing infrastructure. They can't get rid of that without removing the functionality it supports.
no I have to go back and look at the transcript. I distinctly recall the point about 2 or 3 of us talking about it didn't give what the current user had voted, but the end state of all
what was driving the discussion was your special queue thing
user4639281
05:29
You mean the API method?
trying to filter out ones already cv on
user4639281
Or requesting the close popup?
no not the api. My thought was that you uncovered a url that was not meant to be, but was, and they shut it down
no not the popup
user4639281
Yeah that's the /votes one, not that it isn't meant to be, but no one else is likely to know about it.
what is that url
user4639281
05:31
/posts/POST_ID/votes
alright not that I must be confused
user4639281
I'm confused
I don't care about votes (up down), just close
user4639281
@Drew yeah, there isn't one available for that right now
user4639281
that is what my question is asking for.
user4639281
05:33
Right now I just do it by marking visited links as a different color, which isn't very accurate.
user4639281
Bad tag to post your spam in bud
user4639281
lol
I thought it was in there, but not the break out for the me part
then I went all conspiracy theory on it
that they shut it down :P
user4639281
They shut down the misconception in your brain?
05:42
They shut down a lot. But misconceptions remain
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lol
user4639281
Anyways, it's bed time for me. Cya
nite thx
user4639281
As a side note, I just edited this out of a question:
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> Hello everybody can I need some help
user4639281
05:44
A: I don't know, can you need some help?
07:14
o/
07:30
Link only answer by mod stackoverflow.com/a/2738595/2025923
The links are not even working
Morning!
Morning!
@Tushar Hmm...that's an old answer.
> answered Apr 29 '10 at 15:29
I think he doesn't know what's link-only answer and he also wasn't a mod that time.
07:50
@TinyGiant I cleared that chain. And yes, at 3 a.m. UTC you'll not usually going to get a response from me. :-P
I count 268 people with a Python dupe hammer...
Morning o/
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@MartijnPieters Thanks, just thought I'd get your opinion on the matter before taking action. cc@Rob
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Back to bed now.
08:42
Hey o/
Hiaaa!
Where did I hit you...
The nose. Hey, my nose!!
08:59
Morning \o
Waffles \o/
Ehh...Should I tell this user that don't post comments like these? stackoverflow.com/questions/34807351/…
Can't see it :p, deleted question :(
@Thaillie Oh, fine :P
09:28
Also, that question seems like off site recommendation.
(Just an idea) Would it be handy to have the possibility to add a short reason to the !!/report?
@ProgramFOX ^
Actually I think it's useless, since they're always spam or rude and that's clear. However, if it's needed, we can comment below the post.
@KevinGuan Doesn't it get posted in multiple rooms? :p
@KevinGuan It's Thaillie's fault.
09:53
NAA
10:03
I've just read most of the A New Code License: The MIT, this time with Attribution Required post on meta.se. I don't understand half of what they are saying because I don't know the words/licenses, basically missing the entire point I guess. What would you do if you were me?
Ignore it!
10:20
Well, question: How much same can close a question as dupe?
I don't understand the question?
But it reminds me of a joke: What's the difference between a duck?
Hmm...About this question. I think the way is the same, just there's little different about the output, so I think close it as dupe is fine. But, that seems doesn't really answer the question.
Know the punchline Tim?
10:25
One of it's feet is both the same.
that's what I found when I googled it
You might like this one then
A baby seal walked into a club
Even after reading this about that joke(?!) I am still like what???!
Haha yes @Lafexlos same for me
The point of the joke is that it makes no sense, that's what makes it funny.
But it wasn't funny :p
10:31
because it makes no sense!
It's a paradox really. The fact it's not funny actually makes it funny
Erm... no :p
I am too dumb for these jokes
Typical devs, we always have to over analyse things :)
@KevinGuan I don't know what "how much same..." means, but it seems there is no problem closing entirely different questions, or questions with different language tags as dupes.
10:41
@NisseEngström Huh, I meant: If there's two questions and one is dupe another one, but there's little difference between them. So "How much difference is too much?"
@KevinGuan It's a call you make based on the situation
It's not black and white
@TimCastelijns Fine, then what about this situation?
It's closed, what is your question
Huh? Closed already?
Yeah like an hour ago
10:51
Ah...yeah. My question is: Is that dupe correct? As I said, the way is the same, but OP doesn't want the output.
He got his answer so I don't really care :p
Fine
@Nordehinu stats
9,229 need review
801 reviews today
3,057,184 reviews all-time
11:18
I see only one Q
Yea ignore it, the profile tabs reset again to questions and answers -_-
Instead of questions only :p
D": cries in a corner
@Kyll Wow, just readed the Up & Going part of YDNJS (Yeah, learn a new language is slow). However I've just noticed that I still don't know nothing :(
Plop!
What's the Up & Going about?
11:25
The what and huh?
Oh you dont know javascript
Plop Kyll o/
Huh, seems my ping woke up Kyll.
Your italics woke me up
11:26
@KevinGuan YDNJS?
@Kyll Yeah, the first chapter of You Don't Know JS.
@Thaillie ^
@DavidG :(
@DavidG lol
@DavidG :(
@DavidG that is a really helpful article
11:31
@SmokeDetector Editing...
already send request but if you have time check this stackoverflow.com/questions/34776341/… its hard for the review que to close...
@PetterFriberg You mean you already did a cv-pls in here?
Can't see in the room FAQ but I think it's generally discouraged to ask more than once for CV on a post
I think duplicate or equivalent are discouraged
We could enhance tracking of the requests that fall here, but it would turn into an alternative review queue...
We can recast votes that aged away, right?
11:37
^ Yeah, however sometimes I also review Recent Unclosed Requests instead of the review queue.
Ok, sorry, he edit the question after first cv-pls I was afraid it would not pass the review que... I will not pass this kind of duplicated request anymore...
@KevinGuan, thanks for the the link, installed!
12:17
t'is quiet today
The strange thing is: Today even not weekend.
@Tim Do you still remember that the rep for reviewers thing we talked about?
So my idea is: Becuase Rep is a measure of your knowledge, not ability to moderate. So is it correct that let people who have some rep use these privileges? For example, I've seen someone who has...20k rep? He edited a spam post and says: This is spam, let's flag it. So I think, what about also set some limits, instead of just rep?
Let's say, You can "Edit Questions And Answers" when you have 2k, and you need at least 100 approved suggested edits.
That quote is an opinion, I don't agree with it
Do we have Tkinter hammer wielders here? Seems like Bryan is offline.
12:30
I think not.. python a few, but not tkinter
@TimCastelijns Huh? Which quote?
Sam's
Well, partially.
Well, what do you think about it?
Let's just leave it, it's not worth discussing again
Hey! I think that's a big issue. And also, some reviewers only review or answer meta questions (such like Sam). They don't try to get more rep, but they should have more.
12:35
@TimCastelijns I just checked and Bryan is the only one having a hammer. Should've checked that first. =/
Actually I want post a meta question about it.
Fine.
Why do you think Sam in particular should have more rep?
Because he (and others like him) is a good reviewer, he also can use these mod tools and privileges?
How do you know he can use the mod tools? He has never even seen them
Hmm...Because he knows how to use them correctly ? At least I think he knows (remember, Sam is just an example here).
12:42
That's just an assumption. It's like saying Bob should have a driver's license, because I think he can drive
Instead, we should let Bob earn his license
Can we get the license by try drive these mod tools?
How much rep != How much moderation you know
Some people are good at get rep, but they don't know about moderation. And others, they're good at moderation, just "don't want/can't" get more rep and use these moderation tools.
Instead, when you know enough about drive, you can get a driver's license.
But you know enough about moderation, you still can't get these mod tools (license).
I think that "How much about programming you know == How much rep you have != How much moderation you know".
Morning
Morning
Ok listen
The mod tools are a privilege, and that has to be earned. It matters not how much you know about moderation
It's not something that should just be given away
12:49
Nothing. I think the privilege system is fine as it is
Fine, but I still think that if you don't know enough about moderation, you can't be a good reviewer, mod, etc.
Sure, I agree
Then, can I post a meta post about What do I think about our privilege system ?
So this was a pointless discussion :p which is why I wanted to avoid it
Of course, I'm not going to say you can't :-)
Oh yeah, after talk about it with you, I still didn't get the answer :P. I'll try to post a question on MSE, hope it's not pointless and there's no -1000 for me.
12:55
I think it will be pointless. We are just 2 people chatting about it. SE has existed for some 7 years now. I imagine many people smarter than you and me have discussed this before and put a lot more thought in this, yet it still works the way it works
But I'm curious to see what you will write up
Hmm...I'll write the stuff which I have said here. But before ask a question, I'll go to search for a dupe target.
@KevinGuan There are a bunch of post on this already on meta. My take from the whole thing is that unless you can come up with a system that scales as well as rep does they are not going to change how you get privileges.
I think you should think about it some more, like what are the pro's and con's, and don't be in a hurry to post it
Hmm...

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