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@Dharman IMO, that one feels more opinion-based that the one that I encountered.
but which one is better
Can any of the pages in this dupe-warren be edited to ask "what are all of the ways to do..." instead of asking "which is the best way"? stackoverflow.com/q/1100354/2943403
@KevinB I see what you did there.
oh, well, i didn't see what i did till you mentioned it
I think @TylerH (IIRC) has said that "what are the Pros and Cons ..." questions are also opinion-based?
there is a valuable question and answer within the mess of questions... but... i'm having a hard time imagining what it would look like
01:38
@KevinB I'm in that same headspace.
We don't have to close a question just because it is asking for opinions. If it attracts good answers, keep it open
it would effectively look like <go visit this link instead>
You lost me at "We don't have to close a question". I thought the whole point of curation was to close and delete EVERYTHING!!!!!
kill kill kill!!! /s
the problem is, outside of a few very specific points, it is actually entirely opinion and/or case by case in terms of how useful it is to use one technique over another, so... what would a useful answer look like, 😉 but what do i know, i'm a php noob still
 
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05:11
is it just me or is Stack Exchange slow to load? (not just SO)
 
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06:18
@tripleee Not just you, I had a couple periods today where sites showed as offline for a few seconds and also some general slowness on multiple sites.
 
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@Joshua the feedback you get from SmokeDetector is rather curt. We would appreciate feedback on Smokey's reports from members of this room, but you need to be registered in metasmoke to help us with that. In addition, if you want to be able to talk to the bot in this particular room, you need room owner approval. More at charcoal-se.org
 
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@mickmackusa yes, pros and cons questions are opinion-based. One person might consider a pro what another considers a con
The one narrow exception for not closing a question asking for an opinion is when it asks for a specific opinion that can be answered more or less objectively, backed up with data/real experience, and that's tricky to do, although it does happen from time to time (e.g., "Should I worry about race conditions if I foo the bar with a fizz construct?" which could be answered w/ data). A question asking "what are the pros and cons of X" is... not that
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for what it's worth, SmokeDetector is slightly confused; sorry if you get repeat reports of old FPs
14:18
Has Smokey been out drinking those fermented buzz-bytes again?
@tripleee: Unfortunately the metasmoke page is not accessable
that's part of the reason for the recent confusion, it seems to have intermittent connectivity issues
not connectivity; I depend on certain web accessability overrides in the browser
oh I see; perhaps you could elaborate in a bug report?
It's too image heavy causing my overrides to not render a usable page. aria tags won't help because it's the presence of the large images not the absence of accessibility tags that causes the problem
14:23
you mean the graphs on the start page? you don't really need that page in day-to-day operations
ah; I can't find my around the site because of them
here's a regular post page from a recent report; if that works better you should be fine metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/506211
yeah that page works much better
it should have a "sign up" link in the upper right corner (not sure if you have spatial navigation but perhaps a page search can find it if not)
I do; the problem with the images is they exceed a natural light balance, effectively blinding me. It's like shining a flashlight into my eyes. I can't see anything near them.
14:27
any idea how we could make the start page more accessible? should we make it possible to hide the images or something?
@AdrianMole I guess Smokey is not an oriental hornet then...
they're generated images right? set the background color to 'Canvas'. Example using them in normal css: web.dev/articles/light-dark (amazing how hard this stuff is to find ...) but I don't know how to set it in svg
there's a fairly substantial Rails stack between the input numbers and those graphs but I'll create an issue in our bug tracker
github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/issues/1023 feel free to review and comment; I hope I captured the essence correctly
15:17
There's no way to disable the new top bar on the homepage?
@bad_coder ew, just landed for me as well
@TylerH I checked the settings in the profile and there seems to be no option to disable it. Apparently we're stuck with it :P
Looks like with this new rollout, the classic layout of Q&A score/amount information is completely gone
luckily I had written userstyles to revert /questions to that layout so I still have the necessary styles. Just have to port them back over to stackoverflow.com when I have time
where's that from
userscript undoing the new question listing layout?
they are claiming that there's configurability coming for the new widgets
@KevinB yeah, it's what the top questions and all questions pages used to look like, before they redid /questions to look like it does now. And with the new top questions/homepage redesign, it's gone from there too
@KevinB good, I won't have to always rely on a userscript to hide them!
15:31
Ah man... I'll just go away and hope the new banner will be gone tomorrow... Otherwise I hope someone takes it to meta so at least there's a post to read :P
15:48
i mean... it is on meta
on the post they announced the change on from weeks ago
@KevinB I didn't see that post and can't find the motivation to go look for it :|
Woo, offline message
for a while now, too
They finally updated the status pge
Well, that's at least improvement enough for me, for now: i.sstatic.net/yrQkUcy0.png No more jarring in-your-face noise or personalization attempt. Just have to re-show the favorite tags widget over on the sidebar and it'll be mostly back to normal.
Meanwhile they still haven't managed to figure out how to use a paint can in Photoshop to color the "overflow" orange in the SO logo for darkmode
 
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"All systems operational", yet SO is is RO mode
18:16
is it expected that self-deleting a previously bountied question refunds the bounty?
@blackgreen No, the bounty is paid upfront and non-refundable. Although, there was some discussion about what happens if the question is made inelligible for a bounty. Like, you bounty it but it gets closed. So, it can't be answered and then the bounty lapses.
@blackgreen The refund is expected. If the post with an active bounty is deleted it's refunded to the owner. Though bountied posts used to be restricted from being deleted by anyone aside from moderators. I wonder if the close vote change made it so that delete votes are also available.
Active bounties already prevent author deletion; expired bounties with no answers and no awards are kinda meaningless - in theory, you could keep re-asking the same question and applying the same bounty, but in practice I could only find one or two examples of this and the questions ended up improving. My guess is there's generally too much visibility (and too many restrictions on bounty timing) to make this a productive strategy. — Shog9 Feb 14, 2018 at 15:19
The voting restriction was load-baring against that kind abuse and it just wasn't considered when they made the changes.
@VLAZ thank you for sharing this.
18:44
@HenryEcker I think so; the change wasn't just 'allow closing of bountied questions', it was 'remove all special status protections from bountied questions'. So a bountied question can be closed, reopened, deleted, undeleted, etc. like a "normal" question now
 
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@HenryEcker @VLAZ the post I was looking at was bountied, twice, and then deleted only after the most recent bounty expired. The OP got the rep back (unless there’s a bug with the rep history)
@blackgreen That definitely sounds like something someone should look into even if it is a bug with the rep history
 
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