« first day (3182 days earlier)      last day (628 days later) » 

dbc
12:57 AM
@cigien Thanks!
 
1:07 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (misformatted link)
 
2:31 AM
 
 
2 hours later…
4:43 AM
Are we happy to close as typo if the asker typed PDO::PARAM_INT instead of PDO::PARAM_STR? stackoverflow.com/q/73272555/2943403 or does it require a mansplained answer?
 
 
1 hour later…
5:53 AM
@mickmackusa indeed it's a typo, and the question is unlikely to be useful to others, given the fact it cannot be put into a state that would make it more discoverable by others with similar issues
 
 
1 hour later…
jps
6:58 AM
 
7:11 AM
@tripleee That may even be red-flaggable
 
yeah, that too
 
interestingly, I couldn't find the R/A option within the dropdown box for submitting flag requests here
 
@Cristik it's "offensive"
 
If you mean the cv-pls generator, I think it's the "offensive" option.
 
7:24 AM
(perhaps it should be renamed)
 
hmm... thanks, didn't know that
yeah, it wouldn't hurt to rename it to match the flag type
 
7:41 AM
This is NAA, isn't it?
 
jps
@JeanneDark IMHO it's NAA (mee too) nothing that looks like an attempt to answer.
 
Thanks
 
8:26 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/73274831/4826457 NAA (link only/comment)?
 
jps
@DalijaPrasnikar looks like spam seed and spammy answer to me
 
@jps The more I look at it, the more it looks like spam seed, indeed.
 
jps
@DalijaPrasnikar the q/a that you linke and the above flag-pls from @snakecharmerb are related
 
8:57 AM
^ Is this on-topic?
 
jps
@VLAZ looks like a license question, therefore off-topic
 
I'd say no, it's about licensing / customer service
 
9:22 AM
@jps I don't know why you went with custom, when "not programming" is perfectly valid.
We finally have a generic "this is not programming" close reason, use it.
 
@jps It looks like they are. I flagged them.
 
jps
@Braiam you're right, but I wanted to point out the exact reason.
 
Yes, the exact reason is that it's "not programming". We don't really care what it is, so long as we know what it isn't.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:30 AM
@Braiam I think it's useful to point out specifically that pricing/licensing questions about tools that would otherwise be on-topic are off-topic. Otherwise one might quite reasonably say "but this is about a tool primarily used by programmers!"
 
@RyanM If I use a hammer, do I become a carpenter?
 
Sort of? It depends what you're doing with it? I'm not sure of the relevance.
 
I'm not a programmer because I use python, vim, emacs, or postgres, I'm a programmer because I'm doing software development.
@RyanM Exactly, if I'm not doing carpentry, I am not a carpenter.
 
Okay, but paying for programming tools is something that one does in one's job as a programmer.
 
The fact that I use something that programmers use, doesn't automatically makes me a programmer nor means that I'm programming.
 
11:33 AM
And it's useful to clarify why questions about things like that are being closed as off-topic.
 
@RyanM Wait, you have to pay for your own tools? Isn't that your employers job?
 
I've spent my employers' money to purchase programming tools.
 
I doubt that's how it went down exactly. But that's besides the point.
The point is that programming isn't buying tools, it's using them for a purpose: create software.
Anyone can buy a tool to program, not anyone can use them to create something with them.
 
Anyway, let's say your primary goal is that the question should remain closed. Is it not more likely to remain that way if there's an upvoted comment explaining why, despite being about a tool primarily used by programmers, it is nonetheless off-topic?
 
Like installing Windows isn't on topic on the site, merely because that's the OS you use to program, trying to be specific only makes easier to argue that instead.
Blanket statements about "not programming" is less unlikely to be challenged, because it's a task, not the tool that defines the topic of the site.
People already argue that because "tool X" is used for programming, it should be on topic, saying "this is off topic because you aren't using tool X for programming" is easier and more nuanced.
 
11:38 AM
Windows isn't a tool primarily used by programmers. Installing programming software is on-topic here. Licensing questions about it are not, though.
 
@RyanM Err, no. It's not.
Installing software isn't on topic here. We've already discussed it. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/345884/792066
And before you say "But Cody disagree", note that the question was closed and deleted.
 
@Braiam Yes, and...your answer is the significantly less-popular one. The clear majority disagrees with you.
 
@RyanM And? I've had pretty many ideas that people disagree with me, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Just that people do not see the same as me.
 
@Braiam no it wasn't? It was never closed. It never received a single close vote. It was deleted by roomba.
 
@RyanM Well, I stand corrected. The point still remains. Those questions do not fare well.
 
11:43 AM
It also never received a single downvote.
 
If those kind of questions are rarely answered, it's faring well?
Should you continue asking them on the site?
 
If your position is "I'm right even though the community disagrees with me" and your evidence is that one question about that topic never got any interaction, then...well, we're not going to agree here.
8
anyway, it is almost 5am and I need to get back to sleep
 
12:05 PM
Morning
 
 
1 hour later…
1:27 PM
@StephenOstermiller it looks like it can be accomplished programmatically
that it's already been asked on WP.SE doesn't mean it can't be asked here if it's on-topic here.
 
1:40 PM
@Braiam this is a misnomer. It's like saying someone who goes out for a run is not a runner, only if they are competing in regional, national, or international events are they a runner. They are literally running. Someone is a programmer if they write a hello world function. They are perhaps not a very good programmer, or professional programmers, but they are programmers nonetheless. We don't gatekeep based on profession at Stack Overflow, only activity (read: programming)
4
 
2:05 PM
 
PS @AdrianMole this question is not opinion-based stackoverflow.com/questions/1043001/…
It even has an authoritative spec just for it drafts.csswg.org/css-cascade
Granted, only one of the answers seem to reference the spec... but that's not the question's fault
 
@TylerH OK - You've convinced me! I was wavering a bit, anyway, in the review but drifted towards the "...likely to be answered with opinions..." POV.
... and you know a thing or two about CSS, I guess. :)
 
@TylerH It looks like a configuration question to me. It could be answered with code, but there are better non-programming answers.
 
@AdrianMole I've added a link to the spec in the top/accepted answer at least
hopefully that will help future readers see that there's an official word on the matter
@StephenOstermiller Given that the answer on WP.SE that you linked to in your comment focuses on solving the problem with programming, I think there's a fair argument that the question is fine here. I do think it's low effort, but just because there are non-programming ways to solve a problem doesn't automatically make the question off-topic if there are programming ways to solve it.
...in this case, though, I agree WP is the better site and has the better Q&A on it, it's not a big deal since it's already closed
 
3:56 PM
Dumb question (which I can't seem to find on Meta), is there an automated ban from edit suggestions? Or do I need to custom flag and get someone to push the button?
 
I'm pretty sure it's all manual.
I don't know what happens if some user has a high amount of rejections but I think mods still need to have a look at this by themselves for something to happen.
 
@IanCampbell You have to push the button. Since the mod interface doesn't make that obvious I fixed that for them
 
I swear, the "you have to click 'no'" comes up like once a month.
 
Gives you an actual button
 
Anyway, thanks for the answer. I was afraid of that.
 
@IanCampbell Yeah, it happens now and then.
 
5:23 PM
@IanCampbell Happens when they do a code release
 
Ah, I should have searched. Thanks.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:56 PM
Javascript SMEs - is there a duplicate target for this stackoverflow.com/questions/73171395/…?
 
7:44 PM
Heads up to anyone using user styles (cc @Makyen) the accessibility updates will certainly include restructuring of HTML and CSS class renames, breaking some userscripts. I'm already starting to notice some styles of mine get overridden
 
Damn, going to have to update my Frisa Lank userscript?
 
@TylerH sigh Just wonderful /s. Another case of SE making progressive changes, so we end up having to do more work, potentially each time they roll a partial change out.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis That should be closed for lack of MCVE. No way to know if there's a typo without any code.
 
And we don't even get a list of changes or diffs, so we have to either spend a lot of time specifically looking for issues, or make multiple changes as we encounter each issue, potentially multiple changes for each one they make.
Can you tell I'm enthusiastic? /s
 
@miken32 ehhhhh, that was a misclick
 
8:03 PM
@Makyen best just to use SO with your eyes closed for a couple weeks :-)
 
@Makyen To be a bit more clear, I'm enthusiastic that they are putting more effort into accessibility. That's long overdue. I'm not enthusiastic about the additional work which the changes will require and that the amount of work is substantially higher as a result of the way that SE interfaces with us, how they handle their code code (e.g. no public change logs, closed source for things which are inherently open source: JS and CSS), and how they have architected their pages (e.g. non-semantic CSS).
 
FWIW so far I've only seen some minor stuff affected, like the greyed out styles for user profiles on questions lists for ignored posts getting new structures/class names. I had to add color back to the tags and profile pic & name on ignored posts. Felt like I was going colorblind with them set to greyscale: 100%
but I'm sure more will come
 
i don't have any ignored tags, so i never get to see that
 
@TylerH The classes used are going to change for almost anything, because SE doesn't actually use CSS (except in some places in a very limited manner). They use styles which are encoded as individual class names, which are then decoded by the browser through the information loaded from the data contained in the translation matrix indicated by their <style> elements. That's not really CSS. Thus, nearly any style change requires changing the classes on many elements.
 
8:52 PM
 
 
1 hour later…
10:05 PM
 
10:59 PM
 
11:15 PM
@IanCampbell there is an automated ban (cc @Machavity @VLAZ) but it is reaaaallllly difficult to earn one, partly because "Improve edit" counts as an approval, and partly because you need quite a few bad edits (minimum 5) to earn one. Don't count on it to actually happen.
 
7 days! Pfft. Thanks for the info though.
 

« first day (3182 days earlier)      last day (628 days later) »