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12:16 AM
@Joshua It only reports them to you in Sobotics
 
 
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user17242583
1:48 AM
For the record; in case any one is ever interested and this has never been documented: in the rare event that you're 10k-35k, you use up all your delete votes for the day, and you reach a new K milestone, (e.g. 14k), you'll get an extra delete vote that you can use. It may seem obvious but it's possible one can think that you might not be able to use any newly-gained DVs if you've used them all up for the day.
 
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@RyanM Strange to see your old profile pic with your diamond :)
 
 
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9:32 AM
@StephenOstermiller The author of the library is one "jorisschellekens"
So, does that fall under self-plagiarism?
 
@VLAZ sure, but that edit also lacked tag guidance so it needs improvement on multiple levels
 
OK, I missed it was the excerpt. I thought it was just the tag wiki.
 
9:56 AM
@rene It had a small amount of guidance. "questions can be about...", but could be better.
 
The gum tissue spammer is making effort to polish the spam. I'm impressed.
 
10:23 AM
I'm seeing weird results in the search I tried score:0 answers:0 views:..240 created:10y.. closed:yes duplicate:no and some of the results are deleted. Which should not happen because 1. by default it uses "deleted:no" filter 2. I cannot even search for other people's deleted posts. Screenshot of my results
Can somebody try and replicate this?
 
10:37 AM
@Vega It was a dupe.
 
@VLAZ I don't see deleted:no in the filter. I might misunderstood. Otherwise, I do see deleted posts, too
Here is my list: i.sstatic.net/Cx7ie.png
I checked first 5-6, they are deleted
 
@Vega It's implicit - see the first line of the search page (just before the results): "Search options not deleted closed not duplicate score 0 views<= 240 answers 0 created 2012-06-04 .." And you can only search for your own deleted posts, not somebody else's. In fact, if you add "deleted:no" it automatically filters to only your posts.
Deleted posts shouldn't show up at all in the search. And it's not caching, I thin, because they've been deleted for over a month.
 
10:52 AM
"Offline for maintenance" is not that rare. :)
 
@rene Thanks! But do I need to mention all the wrong results in the flag? Because there could be many. That search itself gives me 1k items, I don't know how many are actually deleted.
 
@VLAZ maybe one or two and then link to the meta post? So this gets finally prioritized
 
Can we consider this a link-only answer? stackoverflow.com/a/3895133/2943403
 
It does not look to be only a link.
Argh, that question. It's asking for a list of languages that support some particular syntax.
 
11:15 AM
 
jps
11:33 AM
Another useless tag: (seen on stackoverflow.com/questions/72498413/what-is-exif-tag-39594) Creating nonsense tags is just too easy.
 
Maybe that one needs the tag?
 
@jps Since it had less than 50 questions (it was 1), I burninated it.
 
jps
11:48 AM
@VLAZ yeah, thanks, I look into the new tags frequently and never hesitate to delete them if they are just nonsense or reappearing already burninated tags. In this case I just wanted to draw some attention to that nonsense stuff.
 
@jps It's time for a new process around tag creation: Tags should be reviewed before they are created & Should creating a tag require a more refined process? And probably few other PRs around this. I agree with all of them. I've almost created a tag by accident a few times. Because it really is too easy. I start typing something, stop mid-way and it's now a valid tag if I save.
 
interesting, one of the questions I recently posted had a delete vote casted by someone who is notw a mod, maybe it would be helpful for the unilateral delete to be retroactively applied, once the person becomes a mod :)
 
IMHO it's a good thing that it is not retroactively applied
 
jps
@VLAZ exactly the discussions I had in mind when I posted my micro-rant above. Typo-tags are another pain and it sometimes takes a while to get rid of them, because even if you delete it now from a question, someone else can still use it before it gets deleted by the system
 
@jps And then there are also tags that are super easy to be a typo: Dupe hammer didn't work Spoiler: question there was tagged with an "e"
 
jps
12:01 PM
 
is this question worth keeping: stackoverflow.com/questions/58682064/… ?
 
12:19 PM
@Cristik doesn't seem particularly useful. I think closure is correct, and if someone is actually researching the meaning of dot in swift, this Q&A would be a mild waste of time
 
12:51 PM
is the owner of a question (without 2k privilege) able to single-handedly override a completed suggested edits review?
I was under the impression that after two agreeing reviews, the suggested edit task would be completed and, in case of a reject, the edit discarded. How can the OP still approve that?
 
Yes, the owner or a moderator can always override the outcome of a review on a suggested edit, as long as there have been no intervening edits.
 
huh, interesting. so what's the point of reviewing then if an unnecessary edit can be approved by the OP
 
So we can take the matter to Meta and have a good rant?
 
What's the point of doing anything if an incorrect decision can be made by someone?
 
I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous reply.
 
12:59 PM
What's the point of doing anything if a correct decision about an incorrect decision can be overridden by someone?
 
The OP is already able to make any edit to their post that they want.
 
ok this makes sense
 
So all we're quibbling over here is them being able to retroactively reject an approved suggested edit, which means that, in practice, all we're quibbling over here is that they can steal remove +2 rep from the person who got their suggested edit approved.
 
it was the other way around, but yeah
 
Well, the other way around makes even more sense. Reviewers might reject it because they're afraid that it violates author's intent, but if author knows it doesn't and/or wants to allow it, then that option should be available.
 
1:01 PM
ok ok you convinced me. I'm okay about empowering the OP (to a certain extent)
 
But what if a suggested edit removed "Thanks in advance" and the reviewers approved it, but then the OP rejects and restores the original?
 
Regardless of how they do it, if a harmful edit is in place, it can be fixed by anyone with 3k+ rep and/or by raising a moderator flag.
@AdrianMole That's precisely the scenario I described, and it can be easily remedied by someone else editing it. The only thing that sucks there is that the original suggester doesn't get their +2 rep, which they arguably "earned" from making an edit that did improve the post.
Call me crazy, but I really can't get too excited about a couple of rep points.
 
If I were to "call you crazy", it wouldn't be for that reason. :)
 
Cody is convincing, it must be the glasses
 
haha
Incidentally, if any changes were to be made to this feature, I'd rather it be to allow moderators to retroactively reject any suggested edit.
Arguably the OP too, but I guess there are arguments like the ones y'all have made that that could be abused.
I haven't seen it as a major abuse vector.
Although I do remember that the presentation of this to the OP is sub-par. It sends them an inbox notification and presents them with the edit, giving them the options to either approve or reject it, even if those are override options. In my assessment, it basically demands that they take action, even when no action is needed/warranted.
That results in the OP sometimes taking action when they shouldn't. I don't blame the OP in this case; I blame the UI.
The UI essentially demands that something be done, and it does it of a user who is relatively new to the site and therefore doesn't fully understand the site's rules or systems.
I have, if I recall, complained about this before, but that was a long while ago, back when the UI design here was not notably, hilariously terrible and buggy.
 
1:08 PM
I can certainly recall you expressing "aarghs" in here when folks have intervened before you could reverse a suggested edit review outcome.
 
Yes, it's irritating when the coincidental timing of things prevents the right outcome from being reached.
 
UI design here was not notably, hilariously terrible and buggy. ... was ?
 
It used to be a lot better, rene.
It was never perfect or anything, but the focus was on making things functional, even if not flashy.
 
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user17242583
3:31 PM
Is it recommended to reject suggested edits that leave much to be improved?
 
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e.g. this one stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/31938893 - there's lots of obvious code formatting that should be done and wasn't
 
It depends. I usually go by "does it improve the post, and is it worth the reviewer's time?"
 
@Cristik There appear to be some good answers there, and the question seems reasonable enough. Are you sure it should be deleted? It might even be worth reopening, unless there's a duplicate target about reduce being used in this context.
 
If it is only fixing a typo while leaving some obvious problems in place, I reject & edit
But if it does improve readability, while missing some other parts, this is fine - it is an improvement
 
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@janw That's what this edit is doing, so next time I'll reject + edit instead of just reject.
 
3:44 PM
Yeah, I've gone ahead and done the necessary edits. Note that Reject&Edit for such posts is more a personal preference of mine - just rejecting is fine as well.
But what I like about the edit queue (and editing in general) is that I can easily & single-handedly make the site better, and by rejecting bad edits and editing the post myself (hopefully) educate the new editors what a good edit should look like.
 
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^^ Nevermind, Community just did it
 
@richardec One of your edit reviews is being discussed on meta.
 
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@cigien Thank you for pinging me. I'll look into that.
 
user17242583
4:42 PM
@cigien Having my actions called out on meta makes me reconsider how I do actions period...I'll be much more careful. Doing something wrong and it being publicized isn't fun :)
 
4:57 PM
I wonder why it's necessary in such cases to not only name the user but also link to their profile, instead of, say, writing something like "A reviewer rejected my edit and [edited it](...)". For those who are curious it's still possible to find out the user. But it looks less like you are inviting others to do something they shouldn't.
 
I absolutely agree
@richardec The question is no MRE or 'typo'
 
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@Vega Good point; I didn't even notice that.
 
@JeanneDark It's not. Such things should be edited out under almost all conditions (which I did about 5 seconds prior to you posting the chat message I'm replying to :; ).
 
Thank you (I had just noticed before that two other users edited that post without changing anything about that part)
 
5:20 PM
I considered editing the mention of a specific user out. However, it is about the actions of a specific user, and the question wasn't phrased aggressively, nor did the link to the profile imply that there was a broader pattern to the user's actions (at least to my reading). Removing the explicit mention of the user seemed cosmetic at that point. I do realize that some (many?) users find explicit mentions of them to be unwelcome, and result in them getting defensive, which is unproductive.
I took a judgement call on this one. In general, I don't feel like editing out mentions of users if there isn't any hint of an invitation the user's actions should be looked at by the community. I suppose it could be argued that any mention of a user will be treated by some members of the community as an invitation, but I'm not too sure of that argument.
 
And, as already mentioned, it is trivial to actually find out who the user is, from the (necessary) link to the review.
 
@cigien One could argue that mentioning not only their name but also linking to their profile is a pretty clear invitation to do something that should not be done. Like on main, questions on meta should only contain the necessary info. Adding all that so explicitly (and not hidden behind a link to the review) makes me wonder what I am supposed to do with that info - find more wrongly rejected edits? - downvote some of their posts? etc.?
It's also not a way to "ping" a user and so ask them specifically to answer why they did what they did. Every user (with at least 5 rep) can answer that question and tell them if and what was wrong with their edit or if the review action was wrong. It's, after all, a discussion about an edit, not the user who reviewed it.
 
Is NLN fine on an entirely non-English comment or is a custom flag preferable?
 
Probably fine unless the comment is rude (and you want to prove a translation)
 
5:35 PM
It's not. It'd be NLN in English
Though alas I'm out of comment flags for the day. RIP
Thanks for the input though :)
 
@HenryEcker I have my full count I think ;)
 
@HenryEcker Try an NPN flag (n'est plus nécessaire)?
 
@Vega 100 just isn't enough for comment flags
@AdrianMole I have some 不要になりました。flags left on スタック・オーバーフロー can I transfer some over to SO
 
Wouldn't flag-pls be appropriate?
 
@HenryEcker Bien sur! ;-P
 
5:40 PM
@Vega For a comment?
 
@JeanneDark Hmm, is it? I didn't personally read it as an invitation to investigate the user more closely. Do a lot of meta readers see links to user profiles as invitations to do funky stuff? I wouldn't be surprised by that particularly, I just wonder if that's the case.
On a related note (but not as justification) I think mentioning users explicitly on meta can have good effects. Accountability is a good thing, and can result in users being more careful about the actions they take, when they know there's a possibility of being called out publicly.
 
@HenryEcker Why not?
 
@HenryEcker Maybe try 4b0's room? That's all about comment flagging.
 
Ah, I have to check then
 
Don't know much about how that room works, though - I think it's more about casting flags than asking for others to do that.
 
5:43 PM
There is no specification in the room FAQ about flag-pls subject
 
@AdrianMole It's a feed of potentially not needed comments. You can have a look and cast flags on them
 
In any case this is the comment since we've had extended conversation about it. I'm not going to start reporting comments in this room in general though. I don't really think handling comments is something that is reasonable or manageable for this room.
@AdrianMole I believe that's more about transparency for the autoflagging script than a room for collaborate comment clean up
 
@cigien If not, then what is the purpose of naming the user and linking to their profile? It's not some kind of ping that notifies them. So it's either useless info and should be removed (we certainly don't want questions full of unrelated links) or other users like me are supposed to do something with it - and what action(s) should we take after clicking the link?
 
@HenryEcker You can collaborate in as much you're allowed (and encouraged) to pick from the list and cast flags on the comments. But there is no specific call for action
And you cannot contribute comments to flag, either
 
Maybe someone should create an SOCFF (Comment Flag-Fest) room?
 
5:58 PM
@JeanneDark Given that the question is entirely about an action taken by a specific user, I don't see how the link to the user's profile is irrelevant. It may not be useful, but it's not really noise that must be removed IMO. Of course, if there are lots of users who would read a question like that and go, "ooh, here's a link to a user profile, I must take some action related to that link.", then yes, I can see it being a problem. I sincerely hope that's not a common reaction on meta.
 
6:26 PM
Can someone please look into the suggested edits review queue? I am not able to suggest edit as it's full.
 
6:36 PM
It is Saturday evening. Most people have other things to attend to then some review queue on Stack Overflow
 
Does anyone know what this tag is for? stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mysql-management
 
@Dharman Seems like it's not a thing. Just somebody who wanted to manage MySQL and created the tag
 
What do you base that on?
 
6:52 PM
@Dharman Any of the various IDE's that pop up when Googling "MySQL Management" - like this one.
 
@Dharman Checked the first question that was tagged with it: How do I oversee my MySQL replication server? and it's isn't about anything specifically called "MySQL management" - not a product, not a tool. It's just about MySQL. I did an online search but nothing comes up that is called "MySQL management". I find stuff like phpMyAdmin, documentation on MySQL, guides and tutorials, etc.
 
Can anyone else load ubuntu.com ? It times out for me but 'Is it down for anyone else" claims the site is fine.
 
Loads for me
 
I am tempted to nuke that tag using my mod powers, but I have no meta agreement to support my action...
 
I'd certainly suggest posting on meta. I personally don't think it's something that ever existed, but it's possible there was some long outdated tool or something called "MySQL management" that might have existed.
 
6:58 PM
@VLAZ strange. thanks.
 
Or, on the other hand... if it's not really useful identifying content, it's probably not a useful tag. If it can't even identify the tool (or whatever that might have existed) then is it that useful of a tag?
 
@Dharman This thing, maybe...? But if no-one know what it is, we should probobly either get rid of it, or add a tag wiki explaining it
It seems like at least some of the questions refer to that
 
If that's the case they should be retagged
 
@cocomac No, SQL Management Studio is completely different. It's Microsoft's client for connecting and managing MSSQL databases. Not MySQL.
 
@HenryEcker Some questions are tagged with both, but I don't know that much about SQL, and my last tag burnination caused some issues (no, I will not argue those issues here), so I'm not going to really participate in this one I think
 
7:07 PM
There's also SQL Manager for MySQL, but again, none of the questions seem to be asking specifically about a software. On random selection many seem to be about how to manage a MySQL instance like memory consumption etc.
 
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Q: Can we get rid of [mysql-management]?

DharmanAs far as I know, there is no tool or technology called MySQL-management. The tag has no usage guidance or tag wiki. It's unclear to me what the purpose of the tag is and it seems that all the people that used it also didn't know. Most questions have something to do with MySQL, but some are unrel...

 
No pun. I didn't think that was allowed. Maybe the Meta quality filters stopped working or something.
 
@VLAZ Dharman is intending to use super-powers to fast-track the request to the "No Pun" phase.
 
7:38 PM
@RandomPerson as a matter of fact I did spend a bit of my Saturday evening in the Suggested Edits queue when you asked, but it's prone to fill up again more or less instantly
 
 
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user17242583
9:50 PM
@Savior In the future it would be a good idea to include a link to the original so that it's easier to close for others.
 
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@Savior From the OP's comment, it appears that the original question was deleted anyway, so this request should be binned. @Makyen will you please bin it?
 
How can we move forward with merging some of the [hint] tags?
 
10:14 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, proposed duplicate-target has been deleted.
 
10:33 PM
Should we burninate the tag? Discuss
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