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12:29 AM
Does calling stackoverflow retarded count as r/a, or should it just be edited out? stackoverflow.com/a/72596253
 
dbc
@Nick I think they are complaining that the stack exchange software is broken, not that the stack exchange people are stupid. So edit instead of flag.
 
@dbc thanks, done
 
 
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2:25 AM
@Nick Generally, R/A is for irrecoverably rude or abusive posts that should be deleted. If most of the post is fine, but you believe the poster should be scolded or otherwise penalized for the rude remark, edit it out and then raise a custom mod flag.
(although in this case, I agree with dbc...without a pattern, it's probably best to just edit out)
In which Cody says what I just said, but with ten times as much text.
 
@RyanM :)
Somehow I missed that discussion...
 
@RyanM Cody's Meta answers are like Makyen's chat messages.
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5:24 AM
@AdrianMole I'd say that's a straightforward NAA. The attribution is insufficient by our standards, but there was some effort made, so I wouldn't personally raise a "plagiarism" flag on it (at least, not worded that way).
 
I hammered a bunch of questions as duplicates of stackoverflow.com/questions/16069816/…; many of them would probably deserve deletion as well, if you have time to kill
 
@Joshua cc @miken32 and @cigien I think this can be the canonical for C
 
Is this an answer?
 
@RyanM @Nick @Spevacus In my defense, the flag decline message (which I also wrote) is short and to the point. I only felt that I had to write that much text in the Meta answer because the short and sweet version was not being understood.
 
@JeanneDark no, it's spam, undisclosed affiliation
 
5:31 AM
Thanks
 
@JeanneDark For what it's worth, even if that were not spam, I'd say it is NAA. There is no attempt to include or summarize the answer in the body of the post.
 
5:50 AM
The text was indeed not helpful at all
 
@JeanneDark You sound like me, pretty much every time I look at my phone. :-)
 
6:05 AM
@CodyGray That one looks great, thanks.
 
@AdrianMole Thank you! Very confusing...
 
6:52 AM
@CodyGray There are certainly uses for all that text, hence linking it as an additional reference if more information was desired :-)
 
 
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8:16 AM
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
 
Which?
 
8:28 AM
^ R/A
 
8:42 AM
@SunderamDubey Please see the room FAQ point 9; we moderate content, not users. I.e. please refrain from targeting users by linking to their profile
 
@Adriaan Yes sir, you are surely right, I know this thing, but I shared user's profile as he posted two questions, if he would post one question so I would have flagged the post.
 
@SunderamDubey please just link to both their posts with a [tag:spam] attached in that case.
 
@SunderamDubey If it was just one spam post, you would have flagged it. Why not flag it when it's two spam posts?
 
@CodyGray yes sir, I understood.
 
@SunderamDubey No problem. Blatant spam doesn't generally need to go through this room. Moderators respond pretty quickly to spam flags.
 
8:51 AM
@CodyGray Yes sir, from next time I'll remember.
 
Thanks. Like I said, it's no problem. Everyone has to learn some time.
 
Custom flags are a way to provide some context if you feel it's necessary. In case of blatant spam it usually isn't, though.
Just saw a comment "...If you can’t be bothered to demonstrate a good-faith attempt before posting (in accordance with How to Ask), hire a developer instead." I don't see where the help page suggests that. On the contrary, it says "Not all questions benefit from including code, but if your problem is with code you've written, you should include some." Am I missing something?
 
@JeanneDark That should probably be flagged for @RyanM's attention ;-)
 
@JeanneDark I think you missed an "Unfriendly or Unkind" flag. ;)
 
9:10 AM
To be fair, the question is pretty low quality.
 
@JeanneDark That's a different flag :-)
 
10:12 AM
 
 
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12:01 PM
Morning
 
12:19 PM
Is this an acceptable way to deal with a question being closed as "Needs focus"? (I remember a similar case that cropped up, in here, a few years back, when I was still very much a newbie. That solicited all sorts of "Aaargh"-type responses.)
[Also, apologies if I crossed the line about moderating users ... I just don't know what else I should do, if anything.]
 
do the questions have the same answers? yes: -> close all of them as dupes of one that has answers (or of another existing canonical); no: -> let them be answered separately and add a "related: <link>" comment
the fact that those questions are from the same user is, IMHO, irrelevant. Unless you do in fact think that all questions are duplicates and the user simply needs some moderator to remind them how dupes work
 
@blackgreen Slight improvement of the first step: "Does the current question belong to the superset of answer of the dupe target?" I think it's important because I see dupe targets that are subsets of the problem and I don't think it's correct. Example would be something like "How do I do something with array" and a dupe target of "How do I map array". Mapping is one of the possible solutions.
 
12:50 PM
 
1:36 PM
@WaiHaLee the original is r/a I think.. The edit is misguided...
 
@SurajRao agreed. It's a bit worrying that the suggested edit has been approved by one user.
 
hmm the edit proposed is by the asker
 
Good spot - not sure why they'd do that
 
Attempt to reply, I'd guess.
 
1:54 PM
"how do i do $complex_task" - "well I have some cannabis"
 
@MarcoBonelli I was going to laugh but, in the end, I just couldn't be bothered to.
 
@SurajRao I'd say so and even think it borderline rude because of the last sentence
 
@SurajRao could be seen as some kind of rhetoric question which can in general be an answer, but meh, I'd say NAA
 
thanks
@Adriaan i would say more like a typo or a good dupe if available
 
3:21 PM
Is this valid C++? I suspect it's an attempt to surf off the top answer, but not sure. stackoverflow.com/a/72598290/4294399
 
@GeneralGrievance It's literally the same thing.
 
@GeneralGrievance No. It's missing doc in front of ["user"] so it's not an object accessor and throws an error.
 
OK. I didn't think it made sense. Just checking before commenting.
@Braiam Same thing, but minus valid syntax.
 
@GeneralGrievance Yeah, saw that later
 
dbc
3:30 PM
@GeneralGrievance They seem to be trying to show how to get nested JSON Values by chaining indexers in a single line rather than assigning an intermediate value into a local variable.
 
3:42 PM
Does this need details?
 
@cigien Yes, I voted btw. But it is most probably a duplicate, that I didn't see first
 
@Vega Ok, thanks.
 
6:06 PM
 
6:52 PM
I summon: Ryan M
 
I think you need a sacrifice. I'm not sure what Ryan prefers. Try a bagel.
 
In the past it was scooby snacks. Times have changed.
 
Level 5+ users require a tribute of at least one face-up Monster Card, I think.
 
I'll be making some chicken nuggets now. If Ryan hasn't shown up by the time they are done, I can also sacrifice some of them.
 
Ok, what did I come into this room to see?
 
6:59 PM
Me
 
Discussing how to summon Ryan.
 
You could just ping them
 
Actually, I think one way many have had success calling unto him using plagiarism.
 
No need to throw chicken nuggies at them
 
It's about a mod flag he handled. I don't want to ping him for something like that (I think it's still in the room rules). If he was here, I'd ask. If not, meh.
 
7:03 PM
@gunr2171 There might be better explanations, but for something I wrote and could find quickly, start reading from "For answers like this..." in this answer
If my crystal ball predicted the question incorrectly or you have additional questions/want to discuss, I'm happy to.
 
\o/ I don't have to give away my chicken nuggets.
 
the question was going to be "was NAA a bad flag", but let me read that post
 
Next time, try the Beetlejuice approach: Ryan M, Ryan M, Ryan M.
 
@IanCampbell that one's risky, you might get three different users named Ryan M. There are a lot of us out there!
 
Well, I guess it's only risky if the other Ryan Ms are much more grumpy than you.
 
7:07 PM
Personally, I flagged as spam
 
@IanCampbell Depends on what time it is and whether I've eaten.
 
"Note that "not immediately obvious" includes anything that would require looking at the question for context." Ah, ok. So NAA wasn't the best play because it requires you to at least have a basic understanding of the question to know that the answer, while still valid C#, wasn't close to the question.
 
@cocomac Personally, so did I :-)
 
@RyanM Thanks!
 
@gunr2171 Exactly. I did mark the flag helpful, though, since it was along the right lines. Glad to see my helpful messages don't completely go into the void :-)
 
7:09 PM
@cocomac I would recommend not asking for delete votes on clear spam. If the post is merely deleted by vote, rather than by the Community user as spam, the automatic system penalties are not applied.
 
What, are you saying there are people who don't learn from their mistakes, or read the messages they're given? I've never seen an example of that!
 
@IanCampbell Alright, happy to say spam here next time. I wasn't sure if that was far enough to be spam or simply a very bad NAA. But if that is considered spam, I'm fine with that
 
@gunr2171 It's not even that...it's that the interface really hides those messages and makes them very difficult to discover. (I know, confusing UX in SE would be almost as shocking as people not reading messages they're given!)
 
Of course, if you have questions about whether a post is spam, we're happy to provide feedback.
 
@IanCampbell I just wasn't sure if saying "Email me off-site for the answer" was spam, but if you say it is, I'm happy to go with spam on those from now on - I don't really have an opinion on it, so I'm happy to go either way. But good to know I can ask here (I also often am in Charcoal HQ)
 
7:14 PM
"Please email my work email at an SMS-sending firm for a solution to your SMS pricing issue." is pretty clear-cut spam in my book.
 
^ this
 
But yeah, here or Charcoal HQ are both good options for "is this post spam?" (although if you want to ask "is this user a spammer?", please stick to Charcoal)
...speaking of which, I should probably either mod-message that person or delete their account, shouldn't I.
@GertArnold Can we maybe salvage that somehow? It seems like it's become a how-to question that people have found generally useful, and the lack of MCVE doesn't seem to be hurting it.
 
ugh, I am cursed
always another bad tag
 
@RyanM I'll check the time machine
 
eh, i'd just remove the link and verbally describe it
 
7:23 PM
Title suggestion: Let's send [website-homepage] the way of GeoCities.
 
@TylerH A quick scroll through the questions makes it seem it's used as "web page" a lot. Because the asker wants to do something on a web page, obviously. Like display a carousel.
 
@KevinB basically my thought. Hopefully someone knows the subject better than me and can do so.
 
@TylerH Just be glad it didn't end up like .
 
@RyanM No luck with wayback machine. I can't describe the problem, but I like the idea of salvaging it.
 
there's not much useful information in the question to describe the problem, it's mostly fluff. "How do i remove the blue outline on my bootstrap buttons for MacOS X Chrome?" might be sufficient?
 
7:35 PM
Might be something like this? medium.com/@tina.gada7/…
 
light on details, but i mean
 
@KevinB Honestly...yeah, that might be enough.
 
I'll try some editing. Can we remove the cv-pls?
 
@GertArnold → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
@gunr2171 We clearly need a meeting to discuss this
 
7:46 PM
@GeneralGrievance Ugh, yeah that tag needs to be deleted from the system and all questions that use only it just deleted
 
Is there a way to search "Only this and nothing more" for tags?
 
@GeneralGrievance Like the Q only has one specific tag on it?
 
@GeneralGrievance You can add a tag and exclude other tags, but I don't know of a way to get it to search for only having that tag
 
I don't think you can do a wildcard exclude
 
7:57 PM
you can't
you have to "and not" each one
[c#] and not [windows] and not [powershell] for exmaple
 
yeah, no go.
 
And no tag count either, I'm guessing?
 
what do you mean?
 
tagcount:1
 
It's [c#] -[windows] -[powershell]
 
8:00 PM
@Braiam That's what it equates to but IIRC you have to type out 'and not' in the query field. If you try to type - it doesn't work, at least when chaining them together
@GeneralGrievance What does that mean to you? You only want to return results when the tag is used on one question?
 
yeah, using keywords on search isn't very useful.
 
Or you want to return only results where it is the only tag?
 
I prefer sede for that
 
I think SEDE is required for that but lately I have noticed it tends to show you question results with that tag only (and no other tags) first if you sort by relevance
not sure if it just does some or all of the tags though
 
@TylerH Yeah, just wondering how many questions use e.g. [web] only.
 
8:02 PM
You could definitely query that in SEDE.
 
You can get a quick and dirty number by removing the top associated tag, something like "at least 50% of the questions have another tag", but yeah sede
 
Ah, ok. This one got me what I needed.
 
8:30 PM
I don't understand how this got an upvote ^. Maybe they missed the down arrow?
 
@IanCampbell Wouldn't be the first time someone's upvoted a question like that. Who knows?
 
Certainly not.
 
@IanCampbell It's a post by a new contributor. Those tend to attract unexplained upvotes some times.
Either from sympathy (and/or desire to be "friendly") or perhaps from other people the user knows (colleagues/friends/schoolmates)
Or Tim lost his keys again, of course
 
9:36 PM
 
 
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11:48 PM
@IanCampbell If you want grumpy, I'm only a ping away. "Cody" is the same number of letters as "Ryan", and we share most of the same opinions. :-)
 
I don't . Is this a duplicate question? stackoverflow.com/q/72604277/2943403 See my comment under the answer.
 

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