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00:50
Is "fast" or "pythonic" objective enough? stackoverflow.com/q/29318459/4294399
@KevinB Bourne
03:45
Once upon a time, a user in chat linked me to a post on the Stack Exchange network that held many answers. The answers consisted of games that could be run and played within the browser.
Fast forward an year or so, I decided to revisit the post, but after several attempts at finding the post or even the chat message that linked the post, I have failed to find it.
So yeah, this is a silly request, but does anyone have the post link/title for me? Thanks.
tl;dr: Anyone know where the post with answers that consists of games (that can be run on the post) is?
04:17
@AnnZen Do you happen to recall if it was on SO or elsewhere?
@AnnZen Since you don't have accounts elsewhere, try this search chat.stackoverflow.com/…
05:22
@AnnZen I do not know the Q&A off the top of my head. Unfortunately, the information you've provided really isn't sufficient to do a search for the Q&A. Do you remember some keywords which could be searched? Have you checked your browser history?
Was it a direct reply to you and/or an @ ping in chat? If so, you can look through the chat replies to you. That page is paginated by date, so you can adjust the date range to any period to, eventually, show the full history of replies or pings to you. Each chat server is, of course, separate, you you would need to do it on all three in order to see every reply or ping to you which hasn't been deleted.
05:36
Thanks for the support!
Sadly, I do not remember whether it was a chat message from MSO or SO, nor do I remember which site the post was from.
But I do believe that the answer is SO for both.
The comment came with something like "looks like you're missing out on the fun"... definitely not verbatim.
It was a highly upvoted post.
It might've been on MSO.
06:04
@AnnZen As a guess, do you mean the stack snippet sandbox on MSO? It has at least one game but in general it's for testing out the runnable snippets and there are many different projects people have done with them.
06:21
Is stackoverflow.com/a/71434316/4826457 answer to the asked question or this ?
06:47
@SurajRao I think neither are the answer to the asked question (at the top of the page) which is about having some left aligned and some right aligned text on the same line. This answer seems to ask a question "How to align page number to center[?]" and this answer seems to answer that question "center alignment can be done using this:"
08:04
@SmokeDetector "(...) to transcript New York language into the most common and understandable language English." Then ... what do they speak in New York?
spam aside, if that's the ad of a translation agency, I'd say they are doing it ALL wrong...
@mickmackusa looks like to me
09:48
@Dharman Urf, I hate bold formatting even more than all caps
10:35
What's up with the first code block in this answer? It renders as if only single backticks have been used, but when you press "edit", the preview renders it correctly. Note that the original uses triple fences
@Adriaan Triple fences weren't a thing in 2017. I don't think HTML was rerendered after they were added.
 
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12:40
@karel your last two cv-pls link to the same question
@SurajRao I moderator flagged to remove the incorrect first of the two redundant links a few minutes ago.
13:25
hello, a quick question, if the question is asking what the code will print out - see here - is it actually valid question on SO? I believe OP can just run code and find out himself...
@tripleee also now cross-posted to U&L
13:54
@VLAZ That's it! No wonder my keywords didn't bring me to it; I was searching for the wrong thing :o
14:47
@AdrianMole Should this be flagged as spam? They are just promoting their video.
@gre_gor I thought about that but ended up giving the benefit of the doubt.
dang intel breaking links to an article I use in some of my answers. Thankfully the wayback machine as the article archived.
15:02
@AnnZen That's quite an old question. Does it have some recent activity, e.g. linked from a recent question?
@NathanOliver I guess they pulled a Microsoft, eh
@cigien No... didn't realize the age.
@TylerH @AnnZen binning this as it doesn't meet the recent activity requirement. If it ends up meeting another one, you may re-request with that information included.
@TylerH Yeah. I guess I can't be too upset since the article is now 11 years old
Re: that last SD report, I wish the self-delete rule were updated to preclude it even if a single 0-score answer were posted
so much abuse, it's frustrating
15:10
@TylerH thanks, will do.
 
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16:21
The Meta SE post concerning helpful flags being visible on others' profiles has been marked as status-planned.
And I see it was tagged similarly on Meta SO yesterday...
indeed
@Spevacus But what is planned? To return the flags? To remove more information?
Knowing the recent SE development, maybe they want to add more padding instead of flags.
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My good-faith sense makes me think that them disappearing was either not intentional (not likely considering how long it's been) OR that it was intentional but the decision was made without being conscious of how much the community liked being able to see them. The support on the posts both on Meta SO and Meta SE may have indicated to SE, "Hey, these guys really liked seeing that stat. We should reinstate it."
16:28
@VLAZ They're planning to remove snarky comments by the "usual suspects", like rene and Dharman.
Ay so it was unintentional.
That's a shame that an unintentional change like that lasted for as long as it did.
huh. status-completed
All's well that ends well
@Adriaan What about writing the entire question in heading format?
@Spevacus It was certainly intentional
Whatshisname said so in the post I am pretty sure
Aaron
certainly in comment replies to outrage about it
16:33
@TylerH Is there a Meta post for that somewhere? I'd upvote that.
Most recent answer says it was an unintentional change.
I'm thrilled they've re-evaluated and come to their senses
So... shrug No idea what's going on if Aaron Shekey said it was intentional.
i mean
based on the new explanation it wasn't reevaluated
Maybe I'm confusing it with something else
Hesitant to give them the benefit of the doubt though given all the past changes for the worse
@RyanM Probably been requested before, though I don't know of one
16:39
if it was unintentional, it would have been fixed early on as an easy "see, we're listening"
I'm willing to take them at their word when they explicitly say that it was complex code with nested conditionals and they didn't mean to remove it
there's any number of reasons why fixing what they probably see as a low-priority problem could've been put off for a couple weeks
@RyanM There is this related request on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/244839/…
2 months
at minimum
@RyanM I would question the wisdom of pushing such a change out for 2 months when both users and moderators immediately and loudly complained about it disappearing and making their lives harder, FWIW
@TylerH thanks, upvoted that
@TylerH oh I definitely agree, but then I question the wisdom of many of their recent changes... I just don't think they're straight up lying about the reasons for this particular one.
16:43
I get they may think other things are higher priority, but... the whole point of that product (the site layout) is to serve the end users... and when the end users complain, you'd think they'd pay attention, lol
I mean, let me just remind you that it seems a lot like there is no testing happening before changes are deployed.
I could see them not understanding why users care, because most of them don't have to submit flags.
@RyanM Dharman's doing it all for them ;)
And I mean "no" as in "absolutely not enough" - maybe somebody tests something but it's just so often that changes go into prod and are detected there that it certainly seems like it's not enough.
@Spevacus Exactly ;-)
16:46
And yes, I do realise that we get a biased view - we don't notice the changes that are deployed and just work. However, the bugs that make it to prod are just too many.
Like the latest one where the post updates don't work that that Makyen had to patch.
Great fix, by the way, the bug was driving me insane.
eh, at this point it feels like they've adopted a particular development strategy such that nothing can be worked on period, unless someone in management has decided to push it forward... which i can understand why such a strategy could be efficient/good for such a large project, however it makes it easy for super simple fixes to be left unfixed for a long time.
I some times feel like the testing is left out to users.
And...why wouldn't they? Way cheaper as it's literally free - no need to pay testers. And the users have the technical background to both test it well and write a decent bug report. Heck, some even come with the exact line number where the issue is.
It feels exploitative.
Why pay for QA testing when you have websites where users will do it for you? Heck, they'll even post fixes for the bugs sometimes
^ Yep.
Stack Overflow is not a free code-testing site.
16:53
It really feels like the whole industry is going that way though. Most games now get launched in alpha that you have to pay for so that they can make money while working out all the bugs. Phone apps seem to do the same thing.
Yeah. It's the same with Makyen's user-scripts. ;-)
Yes, how dare Makyen profit at our backs... Down with the system! Seize the means of production userscripting!
You can apply for a refund.
@VLAZ oh yes 100%
17:45
@AdrianMole :)
Yeah, the CVRG stayed in alpha for way too long, even after I'd recognized that I should give up the desire for GM4 compatibility. Fairly ironically, there's finally a tool that almost works to do the task needed to make fixing the issue reasonable, but the tool doesn't quite do the job and would require me to invest time in fixing the tool (which wouldn't be a bad thing, just consume time).
Unfortunately, this (my releasing too soon) is substantially less true than it should be. There's a lot of stuff that I should have released, but haven't actually done so. [Note: this is just me ragging on myself to do a better/different evaluation of "perfection is the enemy of good" wrt. getting stuff I work on for personal use out to others. I'm slowly moving in the right direction wrt. this, but it's substantially slower than I feel it should be.]
Overall, testing on SE has a huge testing testing matrix. I, probably, choose to test too much and should leave more to be tested by users (given that I'm (mostly) actually responsive to bug reports).
One of the issues with SE is that they really aren't very responsive wrt. fixing bugs (even when there's no question as to if the issue is a bug vs. a choice in how things work). They are doing better than they have in the past about fixing bug reports, but they are also changing more things, while introducing a huge amount of bugs.
The problem with SE's testing is that it seems so poor and limited as to be non-existent. Yes, the testing matrix is huge, so there is a point where they must pitch it over the wall and let users be the testers. I expect them to do that and at some point in the process it's definitely the right thing to do.
The problem is that where they choose to do that is way, way, way too soon. The code which they routinely deliver into production has issues that are clear and obvious upon any amount of testing.
The vast majority of these are substantially more cost effective to find with a small amount of testing and code review, rather than dealing with the resulting hundreds of posts on MSE and MSO (all of which take non-zero time to handle). [Emotionally, it also feels like a callous disregard for the time, effort, and substantial inconvenience which they subject their users to. That may not be what's really there, but it doesn't invalidate that it feels that way.]
For the .reloadPosts() issue mentioned above it wasn't even that they did no testing. It's that they made intentional changes to an interface, but didn't bother to just search through their code to find and change everywhere that interface was being used. Doing such a search is a really basic part of making such a change, which clearly just wasn't done.
They changed one piece of code to use the new interface format, but didn't change another location which is located < 130 lines away within the same general group of functionality (i.e. within StackExchange.realtime). In other words, any type of search for the use of that interface should have found at least the .reloadPosts() use of that interface.
O boy, that's a huge block.
But, but... it's got a break in it :) so it's not that big. :)
Sometimes I wish all of Stack Exchange were implemented with user scripts so you could just run the good parts and make fixes to the part that didn't work and run your own version.
18:02
@E_net4standswithUkraine Wish you could see the mod chat room. Makyen did that once and Cody was like "hold my beer"
Yeah, that was good. :).
@StephenOstermiller IMO, SE should open up at least their JavaScript (now moving to TypeScript) and CSS to allow contributions from non-employees. They wouldn't need to make it actually "Open Source", per the strict definitions of that, but having it in a repository on e.g. GitHub with the ability for others to submit PRs would be quite beneficial, IMO, even if they required contributors to sign over copyright in order to contribute.
Given that the JavaScript and CSS inherently provide access to the code in effectively source format, it wouldn't really change either their legal position regards to code ownership/non-licensing or, really, the effective position of sharing their code with others (i.e. JS and CSS are inherently available regardless of what they do, and they already allow non-employee access to the non-minimized code).
Allowing contributions like the above would cost them more in time to review them, but would allow them to tap a huge amount of talent for a very small relative cost. Doing so would likely increase the quality of code and substantially improve the speed at which things are developed and bugs fixed.
Note: I'm excluding HTML from the above, because the code which produces the HTML is definitely not already available publicly and exposing it would result in sharing substantially more code than they inherently must share.
18:52
@Dharman This post that you cv-pls'd has been translated and had code added. Can you review it to see if it is worth reopening? stackoverflow.com/questions/71428523/…
Ahh, I did vote to reopen. Now I retracted it.
Thanks SO UI
@Dharman https://github.com/Spevacus/DeleteVoteRenameScript/raw/main/Delete Vote Rename.user.js might help with that
oh wait, no, that's for delete/undelete sorry
19:13
@Spevacus Would you consider expanding it to cover reopen votes?
@AnnZen @NathanOliver This one can be binned now; the OP edited the post.
yw
chat, the destroyer of languages ;)
@StephenOstermiller Good idea for a book: Stack Overflow, The Good Parts :-)
19:18
@NathanOliver tl;dr
@Dharman I certainly could. :)
I think tripleee points out the biggest problem: I can't help the keyboard shortcut users as much, because it's a visual change so far.
The keyboard shortcut users are pretty muscle-memoried into doing m - > d -> enter or... Whatever it is
I imagine the same would happen with reopen votes
20:02
I wish SO would actually work on issues that need fixing
20:30
@Dharman Should this also cover close votes, or is the warning that you're about to retract a close vote sufficient enough already?
20:53
@Spevacus Close votes are ok, there's a nice warning
Is the duplicate dialog broken for you?
Gotcha. I've got something working now. Here's a gif: i.imgur.com/UP0JM8a.gif - It doesn't handle the partial-reload well after you complete a retract. It'd be nice to be able to remove the "retract" word in that situation but I'd probably need to add a click event listener to the stacks dialog that pops up when you go to retract the vote, but I'd need to dive into how that dialog really works. (i.e. is it the same exact one used when you go to cast the reopen vote)
@Dharman Seems to be working fine for me on Meta SE. It looked odd for a second on SO as when I opened up Flag -> A duplicate, the list was blank until I attempted to search for a proposed dupe. It was just the one time, though, future attempts on other questions didn't reveal the same problem.
Ah, happens on this question - Screenshot
@Spevacus Yeah, handling updating after a post reload is a bit tricky, due to SE using an animation to fade out/in the change. IIRC, a 150ms delay from the .ajaxComplete() event to checking is sufficient. There is, however, a bit more complex method of handling it which allows getting notifications as to when the animation actually completes. I'd have to double check other code to verify how, exactly, I did that.
21:45
@Makyen Played with it some more and was able to do it by shamelessly copying how this SO user did it. I just parse the responseText (I wish I wasn't manually parsing HTML here so it'd look cleaner but hey) and check if the "FlagType" response is 15 (reopenvote) and if so update the reopen button accordingly.
Well, and I check if the reopen vote or reopen vote retraction is successful. Kinda important.
It's botched for me. I can't select any of the questions
22:08
@Spevacus If you're not wanting to manually parse HTML (which you really shouldn't, except for really easy cases, for which this might qualify), you could use a DOMParser, which is easy to do and gives you a DOM. Alternately, jQuery will do it, but I recommend against using jQuery for it in most instances where you're not in control of the source text, as jQuery will go out of its way to run any <script> elements which are provided.
If you want an example of using a DOMParser, then there's a fairly clean one in FIRE's getHtmlAsDOMWrappedInDiv().
@Makyen The important bits I'm looking for aren't too annoying to perform an easy check for, but this is much more attractive-looking for cleanliness' sake.
@Makyen This looks great, thanks!
22:27
@mickmackusa So many not an answers, best just to get the question...
@IanCampbell yep, total garbage. Gone.
22:47
But... if we delete the question, that user might not see those very nice tutorial links you provided.
23:56
^ that answer might also be NAA

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