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12:28 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels What off-site resource does this request that could lead to opinion-based answers?
The answer's bad (because of the plagiarism), sure, but we could just get rid of that.
 
@miken32 Is it just me? I'm not seeing a link to an answer.
 
@RyanM Oh, I see, thanks. That wasn't caused by the script, was it?
 
@cigien Nope, the script is actually reading making it more usable: you can click the thing off to the right of the message
Well, at least not caused by the script on your end. I can't say for sure what happened on mike's
 
Yeah, I meant on miken32's end.
 
12:41 AM
Excellent question, no idea.
 
12:57 AM
@cigien @RyanM Yes, there's a high likelihood that the issue is with the Request Generator in the review queues. There was an issue similar to that prior to the recent changes. It's quite possible that it's gotten worse with the most recent changes. I haven't checked, yet.
 
1:07 AM
@cigien All I did was fill in the reason and hit submit, I didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
 
@miken32 From which page did you do so?
 
From a First Post queue review item
 
1:36 AM
@Makyen @cigien ^ Just sent this userscript request from stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/29665639
 
@miken32 OK. Thanks.
 
@miken32 Yeah, that's a userscript bug, thanks.
 
 
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dataschool.io/how-to-ask-for-coding-help-online <- this was mentioned in this week's Python Bytes podcast
 
jps
7:57 AM
good morning
did I miss something? Since when is the community user posting comments? E.g. here
 
@jps Recent pinned message on board.
 
@DaImTo yes.
 
8:43 AM
Why this question is closed as Needs Details Or Clarity, Shouldn't it be closed as Off-Topic?
 
9:00 AM
@rene thanks i always worry about posting on meta.
 
@KevinM.Mansour probably yes, but it will roomba in 10 days (though only one delete vote away from going immediately)
 
9:23 AM
@tripleee Good. Thanks.
 
9:44 AM
@DaImTo posting on Meta: What could possibly go wrong ....
 
10:04 AM
@rene I take it to personally it would ruin my day. 😒
 
Can someone please delete my 1st message (3 messages ago) wrong link x)
 
@AlexandreElshobokshy it is easier for RO's if you link to the message you want to have moved to /dev/null so it is unambiguous which request you talk about.
 
10:19 AM
@rene it's been done thanks :)
 
yw
 
@jps Also, it seems that Community♦ is: (a) Upsetting the (other) moderators; (b) Not replying to replies to their comments.
 
jps
@Shree thanks, found it now. So it's an anonymous canned comment from the review queue.
 
@AdrianMole I like Community especially for not replying for peoples replies. This made me laugh. :)
 
The way the bot is behaving lately, I think it'll get suspended. xD
 
10:34 AM
@AdrianMole Actually if Community hears you saying that; They may suspend you. ;)
 
jps
@AdrianMole now the poor community bot get's all the responses like "@community, please help me sir, I need solution urgent`"
 
@jps I would love to see a feature that makes community replies with meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326569 ....
This can be so awesome ....
 
@jps I'm just waiting for the Meta post from an unhappy new user: The moderator, "Community", left a comment on my post saying it was unclear. Why did he do that?
 
@AdrianMole is it a he?
 
New users may not be familiar with the S.E. "pronoun usage clause".
 
10:45 AM
 
11:13 AM
I'm sad that the top answer about the rework of the queues is about badges... a tool designed for curators, and the most important topic is that people lose a potential sprite...
 
I like badges.
 
The lowest common denominator, indeed. :)
 
Heh. I like badgers - does that count? ;)
 
author removed it
 
I'm actually rather surprised at the 'restraint' shown in many of the answers and comments. Although there are some improvements in this latest/last UI update, it seems to me that most of the changes are having negative impact.
@tink As pets, or as meals?
 
11:22 AM
@AdrianMole - can't say I've tried them as either. I just think they're cure.
 
@AdrianMole Perhaps too many people who would else have provided feedback have finally stopped reviewing
 
@AdrianMole It looks more to me "This is good and all but!"
 
@JeanneDark Hmm. It would be interesting to see some review statistics over the coming few weeks: overall numbers of review(er)s and (maybe even more interesting) how the rate of review suspensions has changed (both audit-triggered and mod-given).
 
sigh ... I shouldn't post past my bedtime ... cute, not cure.
 
@Braiam Yesterday, I was going to die. I have 987 review in the First Posts. I was planning tomorrow to get Steward (Exact day of the Meta Announcement) when I read the post I was going to die. Hopefully, I have completed 13 review and got the gold badge finally. :)
 
11:28 AM
@AdrianMole Not sure it would show. There are always enough new reviewers who want badges. I know, because I see many comments by the community user asking for an answer to explain the solution a bit better although that "answer" is obviously no attempt at answering the (or any) question.
 
@tink Smoke cured badger may actually be nice. A sort of rough, woodsman-like bacon?
@JeanneDark I think folks are using that out of frustration, maybe. (Even after flagging a post as NAA, as there is no longer an "I'm done" option.)
 
Not sure, when I see them add another helpful comment claiming that "Have you found a solution?" would make a suitable comment (instead of an answer).
All this just seems to add more noise.
 
11:57 AM
I submitted a bunch of edits to posts with erratic orthography (like spaces before punctuation , like this : ugh ! ) and the OP reverted several of them; should I flag for mod attention?
 
@tripleee I would say downvote and move on. I don't think it needs a moderator attention, It is just a space. Voting is for rating content. Editing is to improve the content but if the author don't want to improve the post or don't agree with the edit, so I would that's their post not yours, so just downvote and move on.
To be very clear and kind, you may add a comment explaining that's wrong in English and your edit was improving that but that's optional and your opinion. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour It's not really "their" post any longer as soon as they submit it to SO.
 
@JeanneDark No, it is theirs, They are the original author. It is just licensed under Creative Common License (CC BY-SA 4.0). This license is to add attribution for them (And some nice permissions for Stack Exchange to control it) but they still the original author. I am not a license expert, so correct me if I am wrong.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Regarding editing, see for example Why can people edit my posts? How does editing work? or In Defense of Editing.
 
@KevinM.Mansour They relinquish their rights under the license, what they don't relinquish is their authorship. The only right they have is that their name is attached to the post (and even that they could relinquish too).
 
12:11 PM
@Braiam So, what happens when there is edit on your post and you don't agree?
 
I don't believe authors release all of their rights. Heck, there is even tooling to allow an OP to reject after the fact a suggested edit that was approved on their post. They also get an uber-vote and can by themselves reject or accept any suggested edit. Post authors still retain a lot IMHO, until a mod steps in a makes it a CW ;)
 
It's no longer my post, the reason I would "disagree" (to use your words) is that it changed the semantic meaning of the post.
 
@NathanOliver That's to prevent too drastic edits that change the intent of the post, eg. the OP asks about C++ but another user changes it to ask about PHP.
 
@NathanOliver I agree with this. :)
 
12:29 PM
@JeanneDark thanks, good ammunition for arguing with them
 
@tripleee It's probably best to write a comment explaining it to them and see if they understand. The ToS can also come in handy.
Looking at some MSO posts suggests that flagging for moderator attention is not so likely to lead to success. You could start a small rollback war to trigger an automatic flag, though ;)
 
12:55 PM
Why are so many first answers reviews invalidated so quickly?
Eg. in this case. The post can't be too old.
 
Downvote?
 
no, that one came earlier
 
I wonder, if someone interacts with the post outside of the queue, would it invalidate the review task?
 
Possibly, by why only 30 min later?
 
More likely a flag (NAA). With that, there would be no point in leaving it in the FA queue, is not?
... but my merely mortal eyes can't see if it has a flag - let me see if I can find it in LQA.
 
1:02 PM
But what if it was flagged, let's say, 2 min after it was posted. And 20+ min later the review is invalidated?
 
Wait, what does it even mean to invalidate an FP review?
 
@AdrianMole Does it look like an answer to you?
 
@JeanneDark The script runs every 15 minutes
 
I thought the review must go through. Unless the post is deleted or something.
 
@VLAZ That was the old design, who knows what the new design is.
 
@Braiam Thanks, that would be an explanation
 
OK, so if it's determined to be a LQP, it goes to the LQP queue which removes it from FA?
 
There is no LQP queue! There is an LQA queue.
 
Sorry, you're right.I'm not used to the new terminology.
 
-500 for not paying attention!
 
1:07 PM
*rummages in pockets* I can offer some lint and a chewing gum.
 
Those are not for's
@AlexandreElshobokshy That's off topic, not abusive.
 
Looks abusive to me :)
Feel free to vote it as you please
 
None of these words are abusive. The question ins't insulting or attacking anyone
 
triage blocks questions from getting to close review (for about a day average). I posted about this on meta but reception was kinda meh - maybe people consider this unimportant or maybe I failed to properly express my concern. Most of my cv-pls here are questions that are stuck in triage and because of that can't get to other reviews. I'd prefer them to be handled in close queue. Using SOCVR only because naturally fit review is blocked by dumb system makes me quite unhappy [/rant]
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Is this an attempt at answering the question or NAA?
 
@JeanneDark I think it's unfortunately a kind of answer.
 
One that definitely deserves a downvote though
 
I re-read the question in case I missed something but nope. The answer doesn't make much sense.
 
1:30 PM
So del-pls request?
 
@gnat I agree that Triage is a huge problem and seems to have become an even bigger one. I think that if they want to keep it, they should turn it into what it's supposed to be: Just a queue redirecting posts into the appropriate other queues. No necessity to flag/vote to close or do anything else (in my experience, the other reviewers usually didn't know what's off-topic) and no effect on anything outside the queue. But without HI I'm now not sure it still serves enough purpose to remain.
 
2:05 PM
@JeanneDark in my meta post I pondered about getting rid of triage. The only reason I could figure for keeping it is, it provides a great teaching value for users under 3K rep (those who can't see close votes). Though quality of triage algorithms makes it quite a strong reason, if you think of it
 
Well, now that Triage is potentially available across the network, let's see how many other sites ask for it to be activated for them. Any predictions ... ?
 
2:24 PM
 
@AdrianMole zero
 
sta
3:31 PM
this is NAA/Spam?
 
@sta Looks NAA
 
3:48 PM
 
sta
@Machavity thank you
 
4:24 PM
I hate having to use buzzwords for next year planning
 
5:03 PM
o/
 
5:27 PM
Is there any difference between and ?
 
@oguzismail I think they are the same. The terms "capture" and "capture group" are commonly used in the documents I have seen. I do not recall ever seeing the term "regex group". I would support making "capture group" the real tag and having "regex group" refer to it. But, the number of questions on each term need considering.
 
@oguzismail Not all groups in a regular expression are capture groups. There are non-capturing groups.
 
Terms like "capture group" and "non capturing group" are common.
 
@Makyen You're right, thanks. Why are they called groups though, isn't subexpressions a more accurate term?
 
5:46 PM
@oguzismail Well, they started as just a way to "group" things, so they were called "groups". :) But, then there were capturing groups, non-capturing groups, lookaheads, lookbehinds, atomic groups, etc., etc. There are lots of different types of groups, some are categories of groups.
 
6:45 PM
@AdrianMole - heh ... I have no idea. I might find it to gamey.
 
 
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11:33 PM
Is there anything I can do about this terrible completely wrong answer other than downvoting it?
 

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