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6:30 AM
waffles
 
7:10 AM
 
7:26 AM
@DaImTo disagree; this is a case where shell programming can absolutely help, as demonstrated by the answer they already received
 
7:42 AM
@tripleee you are more then welcome to disagree with me. That's why there are three to close vote a question :)
 
 
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9:03 AM
I get the impression that using search in SO is slow today, probably stuff that hasn't been cached since yesterday's maintenance.
@bad_coder surprising how that request turned out @tripleee (I must have closed over 100 questions just like that by now...)
 
yeah, weird
 
@bad_coder please report here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367042
 
9:53 AM
@tripleee Well someone likes bold i see.
 
<blink><h1><b>WHO DOESN'T?</b></h1></blink>
 
@gnat That's an examplary question. Why should it be deleted? Why is it even closed?
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10:38 AM
@Dharman okay if you say so. I wouldn't call it exemplary but at least with precise version mysql you added it looks better. How does one revoke their del-pls request?
 
@gnat Tagging latest active RO (in this case probably rene) and linking to the request (and asking for it to be removed ofcourse)
 
@rene please remove my recent del-pls - chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/52537967#52537967 (@Dharman let me know if you meant requesting this differently)
 
I upvoted the question and voted to reopen
 
11:08 AM
@Dharman I wonder why nobody found the duplicate. I found the psql and tsql and I can't believe there isn't a mysql one
Found it
 
We don't close SQL questions
 
SQL questions close us.
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12:02 PM
Morning
 
12:30 PM
@E_net4ranoutofflags In SOCVR Russia?
 
@Machavity Да
 
2:11 PM
@Tomerikoo Do you want to link to the suggested edit itself?
 
3:41 PM
i don't understand how someone could literally ask thousands of questions on SO
 
4:09 PM
@KevinB Not on SO, but I know a guy who has been asking trivial questions on comp.unix.shell since 2009 and getting answers. I believe he will retire from his job before learning anything about the language he primarily works with.
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5:09 PM
If I'm looking at somebody's profile, should I be able to see the LQP reviews they've done?
 
@NathanOliver please bin this request. OP edit the question.
 
I am checking Activity -> All actions -> Reviews
 
@VLAZ Yes, you probably should
At least I believe I saw those of some users
 
OK, in that case, here is my problem. I saw two comments from LQP reviews from the same user. It was the generic "link-only answer" choice. However, in both cases, there was not even a link in the answer. There is some explanation, and code. Most definitely not even close to link-only. I checked their profile but these reviews don't show up there.
 
Currently don't find the LQP reviews in a reviewer's profile :(
 
5:16 PM
I can only see late reviews on their profile.
And LQP reviews from 2020. But those comments are from 15 minutes ago.
 
@VLAZ Maybe it was a recent change. I'm pretty sure I saw some of those reviews in user's profiles before, but now they're hidden. I looked at profiles from reviewers who already reviewed 40 LQP posts today.
 
Recent change or a recent bug...
 
A great new feature
 
I can see an LQP review on my profile. I went with "Looks OK" on a post (I made sure it's an appropriate vote).
Not sure if other people can see that, though.
 
@VLAZ Strange, but I can see it
 
5:25 PM
OK, I can see my Looks OK when I'm not logged in. Not sure about "Recommend Deletion" votes, though.
Let me try to find a review that deserves deletion.
 
Shouldn't be too hard
 
@Shree binned
 
You can't tell me this answer was written in a serious manner: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/29310790
 
OK found one. Incidentally, it was also link-only
 
@VLAZ I don't see it
 
5:29 PM
@10Rep Saw that one while skipping through the queue. I think it's actually an answer. Admittedly, not a good one. It's a rhetorical question.
@JeanneDark Yep, same when I'm logged out.
Oh...I also cannot see it on my profile if I'm logged in.
I can see the action in the history tab of the review queue itself. Just not on my profile.
 
@VLAZ So you can't see your own non-"Looks ok" LQP reviews in your profile when you're logged in? This must be a bug
 
@VLAZ Yeah, it's not link only unfortunately, but I had a laugh reading it.
 
No, sorry for not being clear. I can see the Looks OK but I cannot see the Recommend Deletion.
 
dbc
What to do if I see someone consistently flagging answers as link-only in the VLQ queue that are not in fact link-only -- and do not contain any links?
 
@dbc I think you're talking about the same user as me.
I mean this one
I wanted to check the reviews they did but turns out there is a bug with the review tab in the profiles... they only show Looks OK. Here is what mine looks like
 
5:37 PM
If there are too many bad reviews, you could custom flag a post and explain the issue. I think Sam's bad reviews chat room is no longer active.
 
I marked one as Recommend Deletion a few minutes ago.
 
dbc
@VLAZ Could be. Is it OK to link to one of the questions where an answer was reviewed?
 
But yeah, what Jeanne said - flag one of the posts that was reviewed and explain that it's not link-only. Also add a few other posts that were reviewed similarly for reference. The mods will take it from there.
Uh...I actually have to leave for a moment, so I hope it's not too much to ask to do a mod flag for this.
 
dbc
Flag the post or the comment?
 
I'd flag the post.
 
5:39 PM
Rather flag a post because there you can write more text
 
dbc
The way I noticed that the person in question was making a lot of incorrect "Link Only" reviews was by going to their Activity -> Comments page. E.g. here's mine: stackoverflow.com/users/3744182/…
 
@VLAZ I just came across this user (I think). I went to LQP after noticing the chat in here and had about 4 or 5 consecutive posts with the canned "While this link..." comment that were simply nothing like link-only. Bad hair day for that user?
 
This is link-only, isn't it? Question also doesn't seem to ask for links. It's still around, though, and even received an upvote (coinciding with FP review).
 
dbc
OK, I mod-flagged this post and included links to 5 other reviews that looked dodgy in the text of the mod-flag.
 
5:55 PM
@JeanneDark I think that is link only, yes. If you take out the link it is useless.
 
Thanks
 
@dbc Seems like the reviewer has been having issues with the new UI (hasn't done any reviews for quite a while, before today). Maybe retract your mod flag?
 
dbc
@AdrianMole Yeah, I got a comment back I was being an idiot, the review que had a link to the SO post on top and I mistook that as the "answer" in question, sorry. Is retracting the flag the way to go?
 
Dunno. The handling mod may see their comment, or may review-ban them. The latter would, IMHO, be a trifle harsh, considering the cause.
... keep your eyes peeled on Meta for a "Why was I review-banned?" post. :-)
 
@AdrianMole I've heard mods say on meta that they don't have much context around posts when reviewing flags. I think it's safest to retract the flag as there's no point in a mod being informed anymore.
 
dbc
6:09 PM
@10Rep In my mod-flag I included links to 5 other reviews that seemed wrong. Was that not enough context?
 
The "context" that may not be apparent is their latest comment, explaining the cause of the errors.
... if all those who had issues/dislikes/problems with the new review UI were to be banned, then not many reviews would get done.
 
dbc
OK, I'll retract then.
 
@dbc At the risk of discussing a particular user too much, I don't feel like any of that user's reviews excepting the linked one is worth a review ban.
 
@IanCampbell I think a review ban is too harsh because the user apparently got confused by the UI. If they keep doing it then maybe a mod flag is in order.
 
6:22 PM
Yes, I agree. Sorry that wasn't clear from my previous message.
 
6:51 PM
OK, I'm happy it got resolved without having to involve the flaming clown spiders mod actions.
 
@10Rep It seems to answer a question. I'm not sure if it answers the question.
 
7:48 PM
I need to use a mod flag if I want to request a question get merged into another, correct?
 
@NathanOliver Probably quicker to wait for the next election, run for moderator (and succeed), and do it yourself. ;-P
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8:16 PM
deleting it and getting the author or someone else to post on meta complaining about the deletion would likely be the fastest method
 
@KevinB It's risky. Maybe the author doesn't complain. I think Adrian's plan is more reliable.
 
9:10 PM
 
@NathanOliver If you mod flag it, it may take 6-8 weeks, but it will get merged (if it is good request)
 
@Gjsks This is a question which you need raise a flag to ask, ask on Meta Stack Overflow, or in some other room. This room does not permit pinging moderators for anything which could be handled with a flag. Please see #18 in out FAQ.
 
9:26 PM
@Gjsks: your Stack Overflow account does not seem to have any posts associated with it at all, so it would be unlikely to have much reputation. It appears to just have the association rep of 101.
 
user16361384
@halfer My god, now that I've seen that my questions are gone, they asked me to create a new account as if it didn't exist, now that I've gone to see that my questions are gone, hey, I had about 400 reputation, that's how long it took me to get this help me recover? I don't just want to know why, I want my reputation back, it took me the longest amount of time to get it and one day out of nowhere disappears without any warning?
 
user16361384
Sorry
 
Is it possible you just didn't log into your old account?
 
user16361384
@IanCampbell is this account
 
9:38 PM
This account existed for few hours only
 
The SO user has been deleted. I pinged the mod who did.
If you did not receive a mail, it's possible it was a mistake.
But I don't know the facts here.
You can ask on Meta, the relevant mod will explain what they did and why, and look into it if you dispute the decision.
 
@BaummitAugen Don't mods have the information that explains why an account was deleted?
I thought all account history is retained so that you can look it up, without pinging the mod who did the deletion
 
@Dharman On a high level, yes. But I did not see the evidence they saw.
 
@Gjsks Most of these questions you've asked look pretty reasonable. I'd say if you haven't been doing something nefarious in the last few days a Meta post is reasonable.
 
Ohh
 
9:45 PM
At least not in enough detail to make any calls here.
 
user16361384
Okay, I'll email them if anyone replies...
 
user16361384
And they should be able to see why, if not someone decides to delete my account and I'm left emptying hands
 
I can tell you what I can see if you want me to in this public space.
 
user16361384
@BaummitAugen Tell me please
 
The moderator found signs or evidence your account was used to serially upvote another account as sockpuppet.
The target account has been contacted as usual. If you do control it, you should have received a message (on that account) and the deletion was correct, otherwise it was a mistake.
 
user16361384
10:03 PM
Was this my account used? I only used it to ask a question, the only answer I gave was now in a regex question, not now, today actually
 
You did vote for the target account with your old profile, yes.
 
user16361384
I have another account, but this is my main one, because it had the most reputation, but I didn't vote for my old one as I remember, I swear, can you tell me which devices my account was accessed on when this happened?
 
You can check the other account, was it contacted, did it lose rep?
If so, then the younger profile being removed to resolve the voting abuse would be the standard way to go, and your profile being gone would be the consequence of the rule violation.
You may not use extra accounts to circumvent any system restrictions, including voting for yourself.
 
user16361384
10:25 PM
I don't remember why I didn't use my other account and I created this, I think it's because I needed to create a question and put my code and I didn't want people to copy it, in part it was good because no one will be able to copy my code, I'm paranoid about people stealing my code, I think I'll leave it at that, I didn't access my other account but I must have the email noted somewhere, my passwords are always the same if not I forget.
 
user16361384
Thank you everbody
 
user16361384
My english is not very good why i am brazilian
 
user16361384
And not speak english very good
 
When an account is destroyed as a sock puppet, is there no way to migrate all the seemingly useful questions into the main account?
 
dbc
There must be some way to do it, see stackoverflow.com/help/merging-accounts. Perhaps sock puppet accounts don't get that level of mercy?
 
user16361384
10:38 PM
My questions were good and clear, I don't remember voting for my other account, and I swear I don't remember, I just won't worry because on this account there was a question I asked that had a code I didn't want stolen, even though I having asked two questions with an incredible 8 positive votes... Better to lose reputation than someone stealing my code
 
@Gjsks if you post on Stack Overflow, you explicitly allow everyone to copy, change, and distribute your code with no other restriction than that of proper attribution (the CC-by-SA license). Note that it is considered harmful to the community if you remove questions / answers that others found useful
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user16361384
I was asking questions even though they were good because I was having trouble finishing my script, but I didn't want someone to copy it, because there are people who pay for them, I don't want someone to get my code ready and sell it out, more about the exclusion of questions , I can blame this on the community, even because it excluded everything
 
user16361384
@OlegValter
 
Well, that's the deal you make. The help you get is paid for by allowing others to use the code and benefit from the same information you gained. If you don't want anyone using the code you post, the only solution is to not post it.
 
user16361384
I was able to take advantage of the help, then they deleted my stuff.
 
10:48 PM
@Gjsks can't say more than what Ian said - you wanted to get free help of volunteers, you paid for that by allowing everyone to copy/share/distribute and in general do whatever with your code.
 
user16361384
Guys, can I ask you something here? Can you talk about subjects?
 
user16361384
Chatting etc
 
user16361384
Talk etc*
 
user16361384
My god sorry my English
 
FYI, you can edit your chat posts for 2 minutes after you post them.
 
10:50 PM
@IanCampbell There is no way for a moderator to directly merge accounts or transfer posts to another user. We can escalate the issue to the Community Managers (CM) and request an account merge, but the CMs are usually quite reluctant to merge accounts. General procedure is to just delete the sockpuppet account(s).
Part of the consideration that is the case is that the reputation is typically ill-gotten and/or the user wouldn't have been able to create the posts without using a sockpuppet.
If we're deleting a sock puppet account it's because the user has in some way abused the ability to have alternate accounts (e.g. sockpuppets voting for each other, answering questions created by one of the alternate accounts, trading bounties, avoiding question or answer bans, etc.).
In general, this means that if they had been following the rules, then they wouldn't have received the reputation in the first place, wouldn't have been permitted to post the questions or answers, etc.
The user, prior to moderators acting, always had the option of requesting that their accounts be merged.
I have, under very rare circumstances, escalated to the CMs and requested a merge. However, the criteria I used was that it was, IMO, better for the people who answered and future visitors that the questions in that case remained owned by a single user, rather than some being under a deleted user.
 
Thanks as always for the very detailed response.
 
@Gjsks yes, you can, but this room is mostly business - you are currently in SOCVR. While chit-chat is not forbidden, it's still best to keep it to the minimum here (there are a bunch of other rooms with broader topics - so feel free to join the ones to your liking)
 
user16361384
Someone have discord?
 
user16361384
@Makyen No need, maybe it's better if my questions are erased anyway, then no one will be able to see my codes, some of them are not to be copied
 
@Gjsks Your questions are all still fully visible. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1430457
 
user16361384
10:56 PM
Hey, why can't I see it in my account?
 
user16361384
I don't want them visible what can I do?
 
As Baum mit Augen explained your other account was destroyed. However the content created by the account was licensed by you to the community. There is no way to have it deleted.
When you publish under the CC-BY licenses the grant is "perpetual" (i.e. forever). <something something not a lawyer disclaimer>
 
user16361384
O my god... Someone has to fix this, I don't want people to copy, you can leave some but let me delete some at least for God's sake
 
permanent deletion of content is sometimes possible, but only on legal grounds that you posted something you had no right to do in the first place. In that case, a takedown request should be filed. But no, there is no way to permanently delete anything you posted that was within your right to post (and that's a good thing)
 
user16361384
11:05 PM
I can't see the questions so I can't delete, can you moderators delete for me? some only
 
@Gjsks Generally the answer will be no. See the link from Ian as to why.
You can always start a new conversation on Meta Stack Overflow about the same topic, but I suspect you will be told much the same thing (with more words :=))
 
@Gjsks No. We will not delete the questions from your prior or current accounts. As has been stated, the Terms of Service are very explicit about this and the license which you grant upon posting any and all content on Stack Overflow and all Stack Exchange sites. Also see: "How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?"
 
@Gjsks FYI, your posts now look like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/67028684 (associated with a null user).
 
user16361384
@Makyen I didn't read these terms there
 
For what it is worth, most snippets on Stack Overflow are helpful, but they do not have intrinsic commercial value - so it's not like you are losing out financially.
 
11:10 PM
@Gjsks In general, it's a good idea to read the terms of contracts which you enter into.
 
user16361384
Yes, there were questions that I posted my complete code and people are going to use this code, and that combined with good hardware resources and a good internet speed makes the code run faster, and I don't know if you're understanding what I mean, but I don't want to give my code better than some people like that for free to them, it's not free to do
 
user16361384
These terms and conditions are dangerous that yes, I didn't even read it, if it had said there that users would have to pay a monthly fee of $3000.00 I would have to pay, that's outrageous
 
@Gjsks If you don't want to give code out for free, then posting it on the internet in public is probably not a good idea (regardless of the Terms of Service).
While I am sure you are proud of your code, actually getting money for short snippets is nearly impossible, so it may not have the commercial value that you are hoping for.
I would advocate making peace with giving it away. Consider it the (cheap) cost of getting help from a good quality audience.
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@Gjsks The question you posted that received 8 upvotes also received 9 answers; two of those, judging by the Community's reaction to them, are good answers. Did you pay for those answers to your question?
 
11:16 PM
@Gjsks I can imagine that coming to this realization (especially after your account was destroyed) could be difficult, but this is the harsh reality of the 21st century internet.
 
@IanCampbell Realisation: "Dammit, I didn't realise I am the product" ;=)
 
@halfer Exactly
 
user16361384
I wrote a text explaining why I wanted to delete the questions and I couldn't post... never mind
 
user16361384
Does anyone here have discord?
 
user16361384
I need make Networking with americans
 
11:31 PM
Is anyone here American?
 
Nope. Definitely not me.
 
I can spray-paint myself orange and say some wildly narcissistic things, but that'd be unfair to most Americans... smirk-cat.jpg
 
user16361384
Lol, where are you guys from?
 
Many of the users chatting here have location information listed in their profiles.
 
Is a moderator there? I have a question for TeamMod.
 
user16361384
11:38 PM
@IanCampbell I can't see
 
I think you can. Click on the user's name (IE to the left of this message), then click the hyperlink next to the StackOverflow icon
 
user16361384
Ian is American, dharman live in island
 
user16361384
Halfer live in uk
 
I'm pretty sure Dharman lives in Deletesville
 

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