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12:55 AM
SD reported post was vandalised and rolled back before then being vandalised offensively. Stick with an r/a flag or roll back again?
It seems that just putting the letters S and D together in a chat message in here results in it being sent to smokey. Is that correct, in which case I'll avoid doing so in future
 
1:36 AM
Ack, apparently I need more caffeine
 
1:58 AM
This post has been edited but I don't seem to be able to retract my r/a flag...
 
@Nick I just mod-flagged that, since the OP was making repeated abusive edits (plus VTC since it's off-topic anyway).
 
@Nick Starting a message with sd is a shortcut to reply to previous SD messages. So your message ended up replying to the previous 21 SD messages. It seems the only valid reply was r/a, but since you're not privileged, SD didn't accept it. The remaining were just invalid commands. So yeah, probably best not to start a message with SD :)
 
Is it considered excessive self-promotion if an author repeatedly cites their own paper in a journal article? This paper I'm reading has cited the author's other papers at least 3 times so far :)
 
2:47 AM
@CertainPerformance or Needs Debugging Details
 
Is this reasonably scoped? It seems a bit broad to me, partly because of the last part of the question, and partly because of all the answers recommending plugins.
 
@cigien I think it's OK. Some of the answers are bad, but they could probably be decent if they just included a bit more explanation of how exactly to do it. And then there's stackoverflow.com/a/63647645 which might solve the problem without any libraries
 
@CertainPerformance Ok, that seems reasonable. Thanks.
 
 
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5:17 AM
Migrate to CodeReview? stackoverflow.com/q/67015377/2943403 (it has a minor bug, but works correctly as far as the OP knows, so it should be ontopic there)
 
 
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7:14 AM
@cigien So i discovered... thankfully one of the ROs cleaned up my mess... :)
 
 
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9:08 AM
Is this NAA (as duplicate)?
 
@EsTeAa tricky, as the source is in another thread. I think an SME should be consulted regarding if the question is a dup.
 
9:33 AM
At least a spammer who took the tour!
 
9:51 AM
Same user keeps on spamming on Server Fault
 
10:42 AM
I think this should be enough for that duplicate. I will go over the list later, but it looks much cleaner now.
 
10:52 AM
 
Is this NAA? Or is it a proposed solution but with poor grammar?
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole NAA. There's an indirect question in there
 
@AdrianMole yes, NAA. that is a new question and what Zoe said
 
@rene Thanks. I wouldn't normally ask, but a 'friend of mine' was reviewing it! :) cc. @Zoe.
 
Yes, I asked a sharp friend as well.
 
Zoe
11:03 AM
@rene Good, we can't have blurry answers here :p
 
11:33 AM
 
OP misunderstood my dupe target and unhammered their own page. Here is the dupe: stackoverflow.com/q/2131462/2943403 page to be re-hammered to follow...
 
@mickmackusa This kind of request is no longer allowed
FAQ rule #15: "You are "involved" in any post for which you have voted in a successful action to change the state of the post to the same state for which you are considering posting a request. In other words, if you've close-voted a question and that vote was the vote, or one of the votes, which caused the question to be closed, you may not post a cv-pls if the question is later reopened."
 
RO, please grant an exception in this case because this is not a "war". The OP clearly states in comments that they are mistaken.
If NO EXCEPTIONS!, please remove my most recent cvpls.
 
@mickmackusa Hammered
 
11:55 AM
Morming
 
afternoon
 
12:40 PM
Not too sure how to approach this one would it be considered too broad, opinion based, or tool recommendation?
 
@Nkosi Seems like a "sanity-check my companies product because we can't figure out what we're doing".
 
@bad_coder got it . ty
 
@NathanOliver lunch time :D
@DaImTo ah it was you on the meta post :D
 
1:04 PM
"By anyways, can someone help with course number : 6.189 (Homework 2) from MIT Courseware?"
 
is this NAA? to me it looks like "your answer is in another castle"...
 
@SurajRao I flagged it
 
@JeanneDark sure, if I get the certificate afterwards ....
 
^^ I guess expletives can be edited out but what is left is NAA
 
its a rant
 
1:15 PM
@SurajRao I also don't see how it contains an answer. I wonder if the question is maybe not also too broad
 
@JeanneDark I am not sure of the question
 
@bad_coder I get around :)
 
This is link-only NAA, isn't it? Just wondering because LA review says "No action needed"
 
@JeanneDark Totally NAA. It's just so cute when they call you dear ^_^
 
Thanks :)
 
1:56 PM
@Tomerikoo More often, people call me "cheap!" ;(
 
"I trust the answers here more than reading Amazon reviews for good materials."
 
^ Should be suspended on grounds of insanity. :)
 
@AdrianMole What would you like to get called?
 
Your Imperial Majesty
 
2:03 PM
I will do so in the future ;)
 
@AdrianMole Sorry, that title is currently reserved for rene
 
2:31 PM
I'm not sure what close reason's appropriate for this question.
 
@JeanneDark Needs focus? They should post 4 separate questions for each problem and ask if it can be solved with MapReduce xD
 
Yes, "Needs more focus" looks sensible. Thanks!
 
Is this JavaScript?
 
@Tomerikoo Most likely TypeScript
Also, the .subscribe() might be Angular.
 
adverts as any this tells me typescript.
 
2:45 PM
For some reason I'm watching arrays and once in a while something like this comes up... Funny that people find it important enough to tag with arrays and not with the language/tool you're actually using...
 
@VLAZ likely but not necessarily.. it's rxjs library.
 
I'm using contextual cues. Like the complete lack of any details and suspect it's somebody using Angular.
But yes, you're right.
Not sure if it's very relevant, though. I have no idea what the question is asking, even if I knew which technologies it employed.
 
3:11 PM
yeah, as far as I can see, it’s just that the OP has a trailing slash where they shouldn’t have (though the commenter doesn’t make that very clear)
 
@sideshowbarker Oh I thought it's that the whole argument shouldn't be there. This is why it feels like more than just a typo. If it's just that trailing / - indeed a typo
 
Yeah I think that’s all it was
 
My editing goes wrong?
 
@EsTeAa What exactly are you asking? Not sure asking to review your own edits is allowed here...
 
@Tomerikoo I asked, anything wrong on my edit?
 
@EsTeAa Looks OK to me
@mickmackusa Ooh, that del requires 20k :=)
 
@halfer thanks, someone told me about that, that's why I asked here for clarification
 
3:43 PM
@EsTeAa Your edits will go through a review queue anyway, so you will shortly discover what people think of your proposed edits (some of the reviewing is not great, but it is what it is).
 
@mickmackusa I'm binning this because we can't vote to delete it.
 
@halfer how in the world do you not yet have 20K?!?
No, @NathanOliver read the faq, it's legit at -2.
 
You need -3 to 20K delete a post
 
I think Shog made it so.
 
@mickmackusa I do too much editing and not enough answering :=)
 
3:47 PM
This is not a mistake.
It is fully tolerated in this room to request delpls on a -2 Q.
I've done this many times here before with no resistance.
 
@mickmackusa Our FAQ is wrong. I'm fixing it now. That Q can't be delete voted without having a down vote applied as well, and we don't request votes here.
 
You are going to unilateraly change the rules?!? You should have a meeting first.
How disapponting.
 
Yes, because the last part of the FAQ has because the request can either not be actioned, or imply a request for downvotes. and that's the main point of the rule. We only do actions on post where the action can be applied as is.
 
This decision is going to slow down the gabage removal.
 
3:58 PM
@mickmackusa Looks like I owe you an apology. Right before that, we have are within 1 downvote of being eligible for delete-votes (see Shog9's answer to "Downvote in order to be able to vote to delete. Is it acceptable?") I'll revert the changes and talk with the RO's.
 
{ thumbs-up }
 
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This is off-topic?
 
@Yatin looks like SU related... Its closed. why?
 
Hm... It will be on-topic on SU and unix.SE but I am not sure if it is off-topic here :/
 
4:05 PM
@NathanOliver okay, cool. It is easy to see that your heart was in the right place with your stance to change the policy.
 
@NathanOliver That bullet point is somewhat unclear to me. Shog9's answer is about a case in which the user encountering the post hasn't downvoted it yet. Since asking for downvotes is not allowed in here, does that mean that the post is "within 1 downvote of being eligible for delete-votes" before the user has voted?
 
@JeanneDark I'm asking the RO's now in our back channel. I'd also like clarification as I don't like allowing it when the action can't be taken.
 
I'm fine with the policy saying -3. It makes sense.
 
Same here.
 
There'd also be the edge case of the requester being out of votes and then wanting to have a post at -2 deleted.
 
4:11 PM
Wait
What's the rush? I assume there must be a reason why we have to wait 2 days before casting a delete vote. I don't know what it is, but surely it is not designed this way to annoy us
 
@Dharman For 10K, the post has to be closed for at least 2 days. I believe this is to give the OP some time to fix it before it gets deleted, as that is harder to recover from. For 20K, it needs to be at least -3, but there is no time limit. This is most likely because if it is already at -3, and it's 20Kers, then it probably isn't salvageable.
 
@Dharman well, for this specific case, the eventuality will be the same. The typo question cannot be improved, it will be deleted in two days. There is no benefit in leaving trash in the system which the roomba cannot remove.
Leaving the page on the site means that users may waste time trying to improve the question or the answers. Potentially adding to review queues. Better it is gone as soon as possible.
(Plus it allows me to close a tab on my phone because the page has been fully disposed of)
 
PSA: The deletion rule was discussed in the room meeting in 2017: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/108179/conversation/… and the ruling back then was that it is allowed to post a del-pls despite the post being short of one downvote. So what is stated in the FAQ rule 11 for del-pls is correct.
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5:31 PM
 
@halfer Could a RO remove this req please? The OP added error info
 
5:51 PM
@JohnDvorak That looks very focused to me. It's also very clear what the function should do.
 
@cigien It perhaps benefited of a good edit
 
@Vega Maybe, though the edit seems to be only formatting related. There was no change in the focus of the asked question.
 
@cigien Yes, but it was changed from a 'homework' copypasta format, which is, if I remember well, often object of 'needs focus' closing
 
@Vega Yeah, I see what you mean. I'm trying not to assume that incorrect "Needs focus" closures are because they're "No effort", "homework" questions, but that might have been the case here.
 
6:09 PM
@cigien Have you done a dup check on that yet? It seems like something that would have already been asked.
 
@code11 No, I have not looked for one. If someone finds one I'd be happy to bin the request. Currently, I see no reason for the post to be closed.
 
Like this for instance. (I like that one better than its own dup target)
 
@code11 Those seem to be different (but related) questions. One could probably figure out the answer to the question from your suggested dupes, but that's likely to be true for any of the many thousands of R questions that use seq.
 
Ah, because they want it to be invariant to argument order and be able to take non-integers. Sure...
 
7:25 PM
@Zoe you forgot to vote on it :), Hi Zoe what's up?, nice to cya around
 
Zoe
I didn't, I ran out of delvotes about 7-9 hours ago
 
Zoe
<insert "not enough votes"-complaint here>
 
not enough reopen votes. Agreed /s
 
Zoe
Totally! I keep running out of reopen votes - how am I now supposed to reopen all the awesome posts that were wrongly closed by those hammers who don't read?!?!one
 
7:29 PM
 
@Zoe just ping a random mod
 
Zoe
And who is A. Random Mod? Never heard of them
 
All mods are random. It's just that some are more random than others.
... some are uniform but few are normal.
 
Zoe
what about the tangents?
 
Is that a Brazilian dance? Or Argentinian?
 
7:34 PM
Or just a bunch of tan gents?
 
Speaking of random...
 
@Random Bhargav Rao reopen now! try it, it works! (ping me if you see this BR :D
 
I haven't been particularly tan in years...
 
ooh Baum to the rescue!!!
 
7:35 PM
Just joined, where's the fire?
 
Zoe
Shouldn't you stay away from fires?
 
Yes, but for that I need to know where they are.
Then I can flag for Machavity to handle it; that helmet is quasi firefighter
 
Zoe
Can't you just detect where it is from which leaves produce more O2 or something? :p
 
There are even some single cell algae which can detect light and maneuver to depth with the best brightness. Useless fun fact of the day.
 
Zoe
The more you know tho
 
7:40 PM
Alga mit Augen doesn't have the same ring, though.
 
Zoe
Would be interesting to see algae with eyes though
 
I think (most?) trees and other random plants can also move their leafs slightly to maximize exposure. Not 100% on that one though.
 
Only non-random plants can do that. Random plants just curl/uncurl their leaves accordingly.
 
They just "grow" towards light.
 
^ Is that a Pink Panther Post? Call for Inspector Clouseau!
 
7:50 PM
@BaummitAugen family fire had to run... how's life?
 
@PetterFriberg Sitting around at home more than I should, otherwise doing fine, thanks.
How are you doing?
 
Same here work and then home to sleep... no fun traveling around with friends or skiing :(
waiting for the vaccine, so we can go and visit Andras :D
you know that you are coming right?
 
Yeah, that would be nice. Still hoping for a decent summer.
@PetterFriberg Sure thing; I have about infinity vacation days left over from last year anyway lol =D
 
me too, specially for the kids
not ping him since he don't want us :D
 
We'll just go and knock on his door. =D
 
7:56 PM
exactly
You need to make a trip to Italy also, I got a whole house for ya
take you bike with you...
 
Ooh nice. Maybe Bugs can come too
 
Yeah we need Bugs, I bet we can convince him... BR will be harder
 
Or whoever else is free. =D
BR is always far away, that's actually not so easy, yes...
 
BR needs some fun so lets try to move him around some :D
darn need to run again, I have my daughter in the bath tube... she is calling and it's bed time for her, cya later
 
Cya o/
 
dbc
8:13 PM
Is there a consensus on what to do in the Low Quality Posts queue with an answer that duplicates portions of another answer without adding anything additional? Particularly when the answer is code-only or not well written.
 
@dbc Not sure about a consensus but I would delete or recommend deletion. Adding a comment would also be useful, if there wasn't one already.
 
@dbc That is some kind of inception. An answer copying an answer copying an answer.
Delete that whole question
 
dbc
Looks like two "recommend deletion" votes preceded mine (and one came shortly thereafter).
 
So, that would be a consensus, then. :)
 
Even the answer in the dupe is mostly a quote
 
dbc
8:19 PM
Yup.
Whereas answer that's just a second-level copy adds useful information: .gradle is a hidden folder, so you'll have to $ ls -a. I'd not vote to delete that.
 
{biscuits}
 
@dbc Preferably, raise a custom flag and explain. Just the NAA/VLQ flag which would have gotten the post into that review queue, and/or even an additional comment, isn't guaranteed to get the post deleted when/if it gets to moderator NAA/VLQ flag handling. If it looks like the answer may be an answer and there isn't a custom flag saying that it's a late duplicate/plagiarism of another answer, then it's likely that the NAA/VLQ flag will be declined.
 
dbc
@Makyen It was already in the low quality posts queue, are you saying I should custom-flag it as I review it?
 
Once in a while a comment might be noticed to clue us in there's something else wrong, but we get LOTS of bad NAA/LQP flags so custom flags to be sure
 
dbc
Since it was already in the queue, I added a comment pointing out the duplication (for future reviewers) and voted to delete.
 
8:25 PM
Note that you can't actually flag a post from within the LQP queue. But it doesn't take much imagination to figure out how to get round that.
 
dbc
Figuring out how to flag from within the LQP queue is easy. It's just that custom-flagging an answer already in the LQP queue seems unduly extreme. The answer wasn't an actual copy/paste of code, it just duplicated the content of a one-line sentence.
If it were a clear-cut violation of our referencing rules then, yeah, custom-flagging from within the LQP queue seems right.
 
@dbc Yes, because you're saying that it is not NAA/VLQ, but that instead the issue is that it is, in fact, an answer (although low quality) which is a late answer which either repeats already existing answers and/or is plagiarism. Neither of those things are NAA/VLQ and moderators are not guaranteed to evaluate a NAA/VLQ flag with those issues in mind, nor are we guaranteed to look at any comments on the answer. On the other hand, we are guaranteed to be shown flags on the post.
 
dbc
Google just turned up Duplicate answer as late answer from new user whose accepted answer suggests, This does not require moderator intervention. But that was from 8 years ago. Have things changed?
 
9:22 PM
@AdrianMole Can an RO (@Makyen) remove this request please - OP has edited and clarified that it isn't a dupe, really.
 
9:35 PM
@Dharman OP translated question.
 
Thanks, it is now no MCVE
 
@Dharman Gave it a good edit and an additional comment.
 
Not sure how to approach this soap box post/rant
 
9:52 PM
@Nkosi Better?
 
lol
 
Isn't it still opinion-based?
 
You know this will end up as a rollback war
@Dharman yeah still opinion based
 
That question looks very opinion based, and if not, then at least a duplicate.
 
noted. appreciate the feedback
 
10:27 PM
They'd need 50 rep for that.
 
@Nkosi Your crystal ball is in good working order. (not technically a rollback, but it has had meta-information added back via another edit)
 
:)
Hence my original trepidation
my OP senses were tingling
 
11:05 PM
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