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12:13 AM
@code11 ah, yeah you are right - I didn't see that the scripts were standard assets
 
12:46 AM
@code11 looks at old game coded in unityscript. sheds a tear
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated You've participated in it. It's not empty anymore :( And.. it has two close votes. I really don't understand this place. Someone posts a clear bug and users want to close it?!?
 
@Scratte That was an invisible link :D.... as for the close votes I think it's just people trolling around, tbh
there are sooo many unicode characters to do this, as ArtOfCode says.
 
I don't think so. I think it's users that want it closed for whatever reason they can muster.
 
What I don't like was removing the invisible characters in the question body.
 
1:01 AM
I liked it the way it was for several reasons: 1. It was fun :) 2. It was not impossible to open up the post. One just needed to learn a little about how the user interface works. So basically it was both fun and a learning experience.
 
When I saw the post I couldn't stop laughing for a good 30 seconds :D. Originally I saw it in MSO, so I clicked on the [migrated] link. Then I figured out that the "modified x ago by [user]" is actually a link. So I did learn something
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated You can click on the "asked X unit ago" too.
 
@Scratte That needs to be more obvious. facepalm
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Hover over it.. and the colour and your mouse cursor changes :)
 
1:16 AM
@Scratte What are the chances of hovering over that?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Pretty much none. Unless a post forces you to hover over whatever to see if it's clickable. Someone did that.. but that got ruined.
 
That's exactly why I liked it when the title was empty as well :((
 
Ohh.. someone deleted my comment where I had taken a screen shot of that :(
 
That reminds me of a time last year where there were a few kids playing with paper rockets and the teacher comes in and rips the paper rockets apart
no offense intented to anyone, ofc
 
Typical destroy it all.. I'm not happy about this.
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated That's exactly how I'm seeing this.
Found the image of the post with no title only due to a user script that keeps my comments for a short while
 
1:23 AM
@Scratte are there any delete votes on the empty answer?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated We cant see those until 20K. The API doesn't tell about Answers. Only Questions.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Well, that depends on if the person has realized that they really should try hovering over basically everything on SO/SE, because a considerable part of the UI is not obvious unless you hover over the control.
 
I'm now considering actually creating a profile on meta, just to destroy my other two comments.
Anyone knows how that works? Can one create a profile on say meta and then delete it again? Is it deleted forever or can it be recreated? Is association bonus lost forever or is that reawared?
 
@Makyen I've just realised it's possible to click on the number of votes to get to the post... same with number of answers and number of views.
I'll try hovering over more things :)
> Save the file using your family
what?
 
Noooooo! I create the profile, but my comments are not mine!
 
1:39 AM
@Scratte try becoming a moderator :)
then you can delete anything you want
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated and undelete :-P
@Makyen Indeed, I have seen users who have been on the site for 8+ years and have rep in the 5 or even 6 digits be surprised to find out certain parts of the site/a page have tooltips on hover
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated On meta.stackexchange?!? Are you mad. It's not even a real site.
 
not at all discoverable... even with cursor: pointer set on those elements
 
@TylerH except of course comments deleted by the comment author
 
@TylerH Yep.
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Moderators can undelete comments which were deleted by the comment author.
 
1:43 AM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I'm not even allowed to delete my own comments here. They're not mine.. It's ridiculous.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated OTOH, we can't undelete chat messages. :;
 
@Scratte why doesn't it let you delete your comment?
I guess it makes sense, mods being able to undelete comments all the time.
 
What do moderators on Stack do it someone wants to dissociate with comment where their username is there but they don't own it? Meaning when they create their account here they're not associated with their comments?
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated It says they're not mine. It actually says they're no ones, but they carry my username in unclickable form.
 
@Scratte You need a CM to make that change
 
@Scratte User's do not have the right to change comments made by others. For more detailed information, the meta on dissociation covers this, IIRC.
 
1:53 AM
moderators can't destroy an account stub that hasn't been claimed yet, AFAIk
 
@Scratte Yeah, I can't click them either. Maybe you need to internally do some kind of association
 
@Makyen They are mine.. I made them when the post was on MSO.. now the post is on MSE, and I created a profile there, but it says they're "not mine"
 
@Scratte They are yours but you don't have an account on MSE yet. If you create one, it should link those comments from your auto-created account stub to the account you created. That should allow you to delete them.
 
@Scratte Technically, no, but SE does let you claim them, I believe.
 
@TylerH I did.. it's not associating them. I even made another comment to that effect. I can tiny-vote my own comments.
 
1:54 AM
However, if you don't want to create an account on MSE, then you're out of luck. You can always contact the company using the Contact Us form and request they delete them... but it might be 6 - 8 somethings til that gets addressed
@Scratte Ah, then I guess it doesn't link them the way I thought I did. Then your only hope is definitely to reach out to CMs
 
@Makyen Huh?.. I think technically yes, but SE has the right to publish them :)
 
Or a moderator on MSE; most of them hang out in Tavern on the Meta
which, you should be able to access from any other SE site account
assuming it has enough rep to chat
 
@TylerH No. One cannot chat on chat.meta.stackexchange without having a profile. But I'd really rather not leave a long trail of activity there.
 
Or maybe try a mod flag, explaining that you wish to delete your comment as it's yours, and that the other account is also you. OFC you might get a declined flag, but I'm assuming you don't care about declines on MSE
 
That only works for chat.stackexchange.
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated That's not going to work at all. It'll get declined before I can even breathe.
 
1:59 AM
@Scratte worth a try, I guess.
Theoretically you have the right to delete a comment which you wrote under the license
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I'm not sure that I have that right.
But.. I might have a right to be associated with it.. since technically I created the content, but it doesn't link to me.
@TylerH Would that be by using the contact us form and asking to be associated with my comments?
 
@Scratte Actually, the license only requires your username. It does not require a link to your account. However, a link to your account would be beneficial.
 
@Makyen That certainly does not work in my favour.
I'm not sure why a moderator deleted my other comment on that thread. But.. I'm getting the feeling that they're not going to want to delete these ones. Which leave me in a pickle here.
 
@Scratte Yes to the first part. Instead of asking to be associated, just ask them to delete the comments instead (if that's your end goal).
 
It seems the system is buggy. It should have associated me with my own content, but it didn't. So do I use the contact us from to ask to be associated with my own content, so that I can delete it? :D
@TylerH I don't think they'll do that.
 
2:13 AM
@Scratte I think they will. They've always responded positively to my requests for random stuff
I mean catija migrated it IIRC, so if she sees the request (or if someone asks her) she should say "oh yeah, I did migrate that, sure go ahead and delete those comments" or something similar
 
@TylerH So you're saying to use the contact us from to ask for two comments to be deleted? What if they refuse to do that? Then I'm out of options.
 
2:30 AM
@TylerH I belive it was Yaakov who migrated it: let me check
@Makyen that strikes me as a bit problematic: what if two users have the same name? How will you know which user wrote that comment without a link?
 
If I understand it correctly. The license says that if it's possible to have a link, then it must be there. The reference guidance for Stack has committed that.
 
all the legal stuff hurts my brain
cya
 
3:01 AM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated What if you write a book which you publish and someone else has the same name as you do? Same problem. It's the responsibility of the author to use a unique name, if that is what they want.
@Scratte A URI is only mentioned for the entire work, not the author.
 
@Makyen eventually all possible usernames will be taken up, no? 30 characters in the username of SO so that means 4.174558e+153 usernames
yeah, I get your point :)
 
@Makyen I noticed. That's unfortunate for me.. it gives me no rights here.
 
3:17 AM
@Scratte You have the right of dissociation, which you could use to require them to remove your name from the comment.
 
I'd really rather be associated with them, so I have some control.
At present I'm neither associated not disassociated with them.
 
 
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4:55 AM
So... some of my local/IRL Joomla associates are urging me to author something of a beginner's guide to Stack Overflow / Joomla Stack Exchange / (other relevant SE web dev communities) including some comparisons to the Joomla Forum (which I find archaic). I am not sure if I am interested in such a large investment of time/energy. Before I make any moves, are there any obvious legal cautions that I should be aware of?
 
5:27 AM
Hey, future me, today I hit 1000 edits.
2
 
Congrats, and it's 1001 :)
 
5:48 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
 
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6:50 AM
@Shree I thought it's 2021. :)
 
7:02 AM
@AnnZen Congrats.
 
7:18 AM
:D
 
7:37 AM
Anyone been brave enough to click on the link in the SD report?
 
Now it's too late :)
 
@cigien I'd suggest stackoverflow.com/questions/1088622/…, but... that's a C question, not a C++ question. And even though I think the answer is the same... meh. I agree with others; it's quite unclear what the person is actually trying to do. You're working on answering the "surface" question, but it's really an XY problem.
 
@JeanneDark interesting that it got deleted as spam by community but with only two downvotes, usually they end up with at least 6 before deletion
 
@Scratte No, but in a tag like C++ or a site like Meta that has regulars, it's not unusual to have people judge your answers in light of your previous contributions. When I post a one-line answer to Meta, it wouldn't be weird for people to jokingly leave comments about it.
So, yes, exactly what Jeanne said. Why am I bothering reading the transcript? :-)
 
@Nick A mod flagged it?
 
7:42 AM
Yeah, that post with an obvious spam link was nuked by a single moderator's vote.
 
Interesting, I thought it displayed the Community user and the Mod name when that happened. Now I know
 
@JeanneDark apparently so :)
 
No... When a post is nuked as spam/abusive, the Community user is the only one who is ever shown.
If a mod deletes, but leaves pending spam/abusive flags, then the post is shown as deleted by the mod but still fuzzed out as spam/abusive.
 
Ah ha, I see the difference.
 
The opposite happened here: there were a bunch of pending VLQ and NAA flags, but I nuked the business as spam (well, no; I nuked it as R/A so it wouldn't become an audit).
I clicked on the link, waited a half-second for it to load, long enough to determine that it was a URL shortener with some kind of pay-by-the-click nonsense.
I wouldn't want to force future reviewers to have to click on the same link, just to determine whether it was spam.
 
7:45 AM
You're a braver individual than I.
 
@CodyGray IIRC, if other users voted to delete, then they are also shown, in addition to Community. That's what I recall happening on a few occasions, prior to being a moderator.
 
@Makyen Yes, that's true.
@IanCampbell Mmm, yeah. I hope I didn't remain on the page long enough for the service to pay out. It wasn't long enough for it to redirect to the actual content. If there was actual content.
 
The Community user is always the last one to vote for deletion, because, like moderators, it has a binding vote. :;
 
The Community user is a moderator!
It's a bot, just like us.
 
Exactly. :)
 
7:48 AM
It's just -1 in a file somewhere ;)
 
It should be possible to star an entire conversation thread
 
@JeanneDark Aren't we all just strings and integers in a file somewhere?
 
@CodyGray There are services on the net which will run through the URL forwarding for you and report what the end target is. I generally use this one, merely because it's the one I have bookmarked. I also tend to use this service, which converts the site to an image. It's useful, but often doesn't give enough information.
 
@tripleee That's self-evidently spam. Did you already report to SD? Or did I delete too quickly?
Speaking of which, I've tried to install FIRE, but I cannot seem to authorize it on SO because, as a moderator, my vote is binding, which doesn't give enough time for me to authorize the token that it provides.
 
@CodyGray it was already reported by SD in Charcoal, but only with experimental reasons ... I guess enough people flagged it just when I posted here
 
7:51 AM
@tripleee No, just one, I think. :-)
 
can you find a recent non-spam post to authorize against?
 
Hmm, maybe?
I don't know; the only way I've found so far to authorize has been to raise a flag.
I guess I need to poke around more.
I did successfully authorize on MSE, so I know I'm doing it right.
 
Hmmm... I haven't tried doing so as a moderator.
 
@TylerH For what it's worth, that is actually possible already. There is at least one way for a user without the privilege to show vote breakdowns to do so. I believe it involves calling the API. Despite some lip service about the privilege existing to limit server load, it's really just an arbitrary privilege created so that a privilege can be awarded, much like showing the analytics.
@TylerH Wow, a really uncharitable view of your blue brethren there... :-\ That answer @Scratte linked was pretty obviously NAA to me, without having to do much contextual sniffing.
@IanCampbell Heh. I probably decline more of those than any other type of flag. :-)
 
Really? I don't envy your job.
 
8:02 AM
Yeah. Well, I wouldn't argue that I'm normal in that respect.
I probably decline unfriendly/unkind comment flags most of all. Those get raised on things like, "Does this answer your question?"
But NLN flags on comments that seem to provide relevant information are particularly consternating for me.
Almost as bad as custom comment flags: "this is wrong"
 
@CodyGray Just out of curiosity, was I correct about NLN flagging in this case?
 
@JeanneDark Was it on Meta? How old was it?
Oof.. Never mind.
I asked those questions after reading only first sentence of the example comment.
 
@CodyGray The question was on SO and then migrated to MSO where I flagged it almost immediately.
 
That comment was not only NLN, it was rude. Definitely should have been deleted.
If it had not been rude toward downvoters, and it had been on Meta, and it had only been up for a short time (not enough to guarantee the asker had seen it), then I can definitely see myself choosing to keep it.
Incidentally, you were right about this, too. :-)
 
@CodyGray Thanks! It had its defenders.
@CodyGray Then I wouldn't have flagged it.
 
8:08 AM
@JeanneDark Everyone is wrong once in a while, I guess.
 
That's true
 
It has happened more times than I care to admit that I've declined a comment flag when I meant to delete the comment. The dashboard presents "Decline" and "Delete" links. I'm just a complex pattern matcher, and there's not enough pattern there for me to reliably distinguish.
I've mostly fixed that now with a userscript that turns the "Delete" link red.
 
There are many similarities between me and the old Jeremy.
Ah, I see Bhargav copped to making the same mistake in the comments there.
That was before Sam made moderator userscripts cool. :-)
 
A new era began? :)
 
8:14 AM
Followed quickly by navel-gazing at flag stats from another userscript...
 
@Makyen I partially agree with this. Reviewers should only raise NAA or VLQ flags if the posts they see in the queue meet the requirements for those flags. But that doesn't mean that reviewers shouldn't react to otherwise low-quality content by using the powers that they are provided with, including downvotes and delete votes.
Having to review crap in multiple contexts is just too sad for words.
The review queues need a redesign, but not to make it harder to dispatch with low-quality content.
 
Is it off-topic typo if the OP simply reversed the needle and the haystack in their sql? stackoverflow.com/q/65625306/2943403
 
Is it a mistake others are likely to make, such that it would be a useful reference/canonical?
 
@CodyGray if so, it is probably a dupe that someone else has already made.
 
8:19 AM
@tripleee Hmm, I don't think that's general computing.
I mean, I'm open for arguments. It just doesn't look like it to me at first review.
Compatibility issues with a remote desktop software and a WPF application should be on-topic, especially if asked by the developer of the WPF app.
Although, there's definitely a compelling argument to be made for "lacks details" and/or "lacks MCVE".
Let's settle it that way. I've overridden y'alls votes. :-)
@mickmackusa Legal cautions? No, I don't see what those would be. Only thing I could think of would be that you not use the Stack Exchange/Stack Overflow logos in violation of their trademark guidance. Aside from that, I remember years ago that one of the active Super User users (maybe a mod?) made a series of YouTube videos that were designed as a beginner's guide to Stack Overflow/Exchange. I don't have a link or much recollection of it, though.
 
@CodyGray thx Cody
 
In theory, I'm a big fan of a project to create an accessible beginner's guide to SO.
It's not something I'd want to undertake, because I don't think I'd be very good at it.
And I'm not sure it'll actually have much of an effect, since there's already enough information available for the kind of people who would read such a tutorial/guide to read.
But if I had given up all hope, I wouldn't still be here. :-)
 
8:59 AM
@CodyGray I would argue that such project wouldn't have any effect.
The problem isn't a lack of documentation, it's a lack of willingness of reading said documentation.
 
Yeah, see two messages below that one. :-)
This is why I'm mostly only a fan of the idea in theory.
In some ways, I'm a hopeless idealist.
 
Users themselves are incapable of helping others to help them. That's not something SO will be able to fix. It's something that should change in human society in general.
 
Oh cool! We're about to change Human society! What a mission
 
@CodyGray I saw the 3rd message, I'm trying to move your hope towards more productive methods :)
 
Yes, I, too, am eager to hear your plans for changing human society in general.
 
9:03 AM
My plans are specific to my context ;)
 
So you are only planning to change the society immediately surrounding you?
 
@CodyGray Nope, just that the specific actions are specific to the context and issues I've identified that could help move the needle
While I agree that humans present the same weaknesses, they manifest in different ways.
For example: tribalism.
 
My people aren't tribalistic!
2
 
It's patently obvious that you can boil down many issues into this basic human characteristic, but how to address it depends on historical evolution, institutions, culture, etc.
 
I like culture.
 
9:20 AM
 
I have a general dislike of doing things just because "always been this way"
 
Gotta diiiig a little deeper.
 
@CodyGray I really like that that article includes my point "if observance is to have value, the reasons behind a tradition have to be appreciated as well as the ritual itself faithfully carried out"
 
I totally agree.
Rules and rituals are not to be blindly followed, but always questioned. There had better be a reason for it.
 
9:31 AM
What if I know there is a reason but I can't recall what the exact reason is?
 
Jug that memory harder or retrace how it was discovered :)
 
What if a tree falls in the forest, but there is no one present to hear it?
 
Does it matter?
 
It matters to the tree
 
Those with bad memories are doomed to forever repeat... what was it, again?
 
9:35 AM
Then the tree should inform the next people that are within an earshot :)
 
@CodyGray then it still makes a sound. The atmosphere is a macroscopic environment and doesn't preserve quantum coherence.
 
@Braiam It does: by appearing to have fallen.
 
Well, then what's the problem?
 
Can this in any way be considered an answer? It seems to be a new question, but might it be interpreted as saying it was possible (something like "anyone can do it"). The question is "Is this support already in Android? If so how can this be done?"
 
I'll go with no on that one
 
9:39 AM
@JeanneDark I have a feeling that no one has ever told you this before, but you might be too charitable.
 
I agree with you :)
 
9:51 AM
Incognito mode enabled, @user692942?
 
@CodyGray obviously not. :D
 
Hmmm.
 
Mods know everything
 
@CodyGray Yeah, there are several interpretations to that question (and OP doesn't seem to have clarified it any further yet), and that link would be a good target for one of the possible interpretations. Thanks for the link.
 
@cigien Feel free to find duplicates of every possible interpretation and close as such. :-)
 
10:05 AM
I'm going to quote you on that ;)
 
I feel like this is significantly more quotable, but you do you.
 
You're a fountain of quotable messages, that's for sure.
 
And compliments ;)
 
Darn, I don't log in for a day, and there's hundreds of messages in the transcript.
@JeanneDark What, the "too charitable" comment?
 
I said she was right earlier.
We're basically flirting.
 
10:09 AM
;)
 
I can see that. Good for y'all. Though if y'all want to flirt, y'all should say each others' code looks pretty. Flirt like true programmers :)
 
"You have beautiful loops"?
 
@cigien She answered a PHP question. Do you expect me to lie?
 
Jeanne answered a php question? No, I suppose there's nothing good to say about that ;)
 
I'm criticized for not answering (programming) questions, I'm criticzed for answering programming questions ;)
 
10:14 AM
There's no winning in this game.
You just have to keep playing it, that's all ;)
 
I had upvoted one of the answers. What more do you want from me?
 
@CodyGray I'm not complaining ;)
 
I thought you complained about reputation gain?
 
No, not at all. Just how it's wrong when I answer questions and when I don't. Catch-22.
 
I don't think anyone ever said it was wrong to answer questions.
 
10:22 AM
@CodyGray So it's okay to answer PHP questions?
 
thaaaat's a strawman :P
 
Of course that's fine. Cigien was trying to get me to tell you that your PHP code was "beautiful".
I have my limits. :-)
 
In my defense, I didn't know it was php, or I would never have dared :p
It occurs to me we're probably not making ourselves popular among the php crowd.
 
She probably writes other kinds of code. Maybe that's beautiful.
 
Then again, it could have been worse. It could have been code ;)
 
10:24 AM
Oh, that would have been much worse. Imagine how embarrassing it would be for me to swoon publicly!
 
@CodyGray Actually, I was once close to answering a C++ question.
 
But then it got closed as "general reference; the answer can be found in the language standard"?
 
No, someone else was quicker and there wasn't much to add
 
Ah, Fastest Gun In The West. Isn't that supposed to motivate you to get faster?
 
@CodyGray Now I try to be fastest at flagging :)
 
10:39 AM
I think I have encountered (for the first time) a question that I found upvote-worthy AND voted to close as Too Broad / Needs More Focus. Am I wrong for doing one of these actions? stackoverflow.com/q/44482056/2943403
 
So. Many. Hyperlinks.
 
@CodyGray Very true. Lots of effort and thought went into the question. I appreciate and respect that aspect.
 
Totally understood.
I wonder even if the question could be salvaged by merging together the bullet points and finding a single question that could remain. It hasn't been answered yet, so a heavy-handed edit wouldn't invalidate any existing answers.
 
So you can at least not vote to close for lack of research effort ;) (I'm just teasing you)
 
I don't know if I am game to edit the question. Should I retract my close vote to remove it from the review queue?
 
@mickmackusa It seems the OP is still active so maybe leave a comment?
 
What sort of game is required for editing?
 
@mickmackusa I like this idea. Do you mean it should check for history in the review queues? Just checking if there's a history of voting to close as dupes correctly, and in that specific tag, would be enough I think.
 
@cigien I must join family for dinner. I'll reply to this later. I am still forming my opinion on this topic.
 
10:54 AM
@mickmackusa Of course, take all the time you need.
 
@CodyGray I don't want to be the one to narrow the question.
@JeanneDark I have commented under the question, but left my close vote in play because, of course, once it is retracted, I cannot re-vote.
 
I saw the comment and upvoted it (or "tiny-voted" as some say)
 
11:19 AM
@mickmackusa tbh it looks more like a rant than a question. I think closing it as needs focus is perfectly reasonable.
 
11:35 AM
@CodyGray meta is different. It's a small crowd and public probably doesn't read it.
 
 
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Morning
 
1:22 PM
@JeanneDark You changed an avatar. I prefered the other stock photo. Who is this now?
 
@Dharman I believe there's at least one user who loves finding out all about my avatars on their own, so I don't want to spoil their fun by revealing it in here.
 
She looks like Grace Kelly and Google confirms it. Correct?
 
No
Did you see it?
 
I found her. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bacall I don't know that actress though
I am bad with faces and B&W photos don't help.
 
1:38 PM
what's with the upvotes on that one anyway
 
@Dharman I know that actress, she made movies with Humphrey Bogart.
 
1:53 PM
@tripleee no idea, perhaps they didn't know that tail prints header lines, and missed the space between dash and f
 
@AmitJoshi Why? It's programming related
 
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' I'm sorry . I get that it is a quote, I find it a tad inappropriate here for all intended audiences. I move it out of the transcript for now.
 
@rene I felt it was appropriate on the Bacall / Bogart conversation, but no problem
 
@Dharman I re-read the question and the answer. But it still look general computing to me. It is configuration in tool (SSH, authentication, public key, setting); no programming involved. My opinion though.
 
2:03 PM
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' yeah, I chewed a bit on it before making that call. No worries, you're fine.
 
Should "resolved after update/restart/installing latest version" considered "No Repro"?
 
I think so, yes.
Maybe installing latest version is not exactly no repro but ...
 
@Scratte Turns out there's a way that's not documented.. quite opaque in my opinion.
@AmitJoshi That depends on what the issue is. If I have to work with a version of something and I get an error, a post that says I must upgrade, would be helpful.
 
@Scratte Ask a question about it (on MSO)?
 
@JeanneDark I don't need to ask. I found a way.
 
2:15 PM
@Scratte What about this? IMO - No Repro. Cannot close anyway due to active bounty.
 
@AmitJoshi I feel, some important information is missing. But with it, I don't think it's useless. There may also be workarounds, so I don't think we should prevent anyone from posting those.
 
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' ok, excellent link!! Issue is: "back in the day" there was a sort of simplicity that didn't associate any evil. I think that clip was really charming and well humored, especially seen in light of the time period, and I don't think I'm being naïve.
 
2:30 PM
thanks! Not being a native English speaker I may be losing some details, in that scene of the movie I was under the impression that anything could be understood from that sentence and the way she expresses it.
(sorry for the off topic, I loved that movie)
 
2:41 PM
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' Usted és Español no?! Me gusta como escribes, tengo visto sus posts y son lucidos.
 
@bad_coder "es" doesn't use tilde.
 
@Braiam probably depends on the dialect.
 
In fact, I don't recall any uni-syllable word that use it in spanish.
@bad_coder Nah, spanish writing is pretty standard. It may vary in the vocabulary and meaning of the words, but our rules are pretty strict when writing.
 
@Braiam mira
 
@bad_coder Yep, I recall the spanish academy of the language to modify that, because there's contextual cues for what usage you mean of the words.
Or it only did for questions... rae.es/dpd/t%C3%BA I don't know :D
 
2:52 PM
@bad_coder thanks! That's very kind of you
@Braiam they removed quite a lot of diacritical accents (solo/sólo, aun/aún) and just left the very basic ones that do sound different (see Spanish.SE's spanish.stackexchange.com/a/17609/1674 for more info!)
@bad_coder in Catalan we use tilde in és, so maybe you saw it there hehe
 
 
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' Sí penso que vi lo "és" en Cataluña. Yo no distingo bien todos los dialectos pero el Catalan és muy próximo de mi lengua. Lo último que me ha encantado és el Galego, "Xunta de Galicia" :D
 
@Dharman I may be wrong but didn't the OP just post two self-NAAs that rather from a conversation with the answerer?
 
3:03 PM
@bad_coder bien! Ahora siento curiosidad por saber cuál es tu idioma nativo, escribes muy bien el castellano
 
Yes, but why did LQP dispute my flag?
 
@Dharman Perhaps because it has code? (Also it seems to me that that's just the code copied from the other answer)
 
Why would people keep NAA just because it has code. I can understand that one person misread it, but did 3 people make the same mistake?
 
@Dharman maybe because they only look at that one answer and didn't look at N.F. 's answer, to get to the conclusion, the whole thing is NAA, as @JeanneDark said
 
This was autoflagged by me I believe. I don't think you need any context to see that this doesn't read like an answer. Am I wrong?
 
3:06 PM
A custom flag might be in order. Also note the comments under the other answer, they form the basis of the two self-answers.
@Dharman No, I don't think you're wrong. It's clearly a question.
 
@Dharman you are right, specially the 2nd part is clearly a Q.
 
@Dharman There's an actual mod decline reason that talks about not flagging inaccurate answers. Some guy on Meta suggested downvoting
 
These are not answers. I downvoted both of them now, but why did the review queue keep them. As I see people in this room also believe they are NAA, so it should have been easily deleted in LQP.
It might be robo-reviewers
 
But these are not attempts at answering the question. The first one is a reply to a comment
 
@JeanneDark I also see it like this...
 
3:11 PM
And the second one is a question, compare the code therein with the code from the answer.
 
@JeanneDark I agree there. Both are NAA
 
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' Nunca lo dije aquí y no va a ser hoy, pero soy de un sítio que tiene relacíon con santa Elisabet d'Aragó, puedes deducir el resto con precision.
 
@bad_coder Habla inglés por favor o lleva la conversación a Ministry. :D Yo no entiende
 
3:24 PM
@Dharman In short. One is a good poster. The other is from a place that's to be yet unnamed, but can be deducted with some knowledge about Elizabeth of Aragon. And.. a small discussion about the accent on "és" :)
 
@bad_coder excellent! Good people in there :)
 
I'm going to guess that the place got some media attention not so long ago :)
 
It's funny I came here to see how it is going with the closing out of late and ended up talking about movies, language and geography. I hope I'll be allowed to come back :D
 
@Dharman .... @Scratte :)
 
3:38 PM
@Dharman In the future, if you think the reviewers got it wrong (and they did here) mod flag for investigation. I know it's slow of late, but we do review ban people still
 
I prefer not to do that unless I see some pattern. It takes time to flag these and my opinion against 3 other people might mean I am wrong not them
 
That's true, but it should have been obvious the person was posting another question, not an answer. If it's egregious, we do try to tamp those down. It's not often it's that obvious, however.
 
@bad_coder One of those people is you? :)
 
3:57 PM
 
@CodyGray Unfortunately it's borne out time and again in mod responses in chat and on Meta about "we don't see context when handling flags". Mods work hard and I'm grateful for that, but I still see a lot of cases where the work put it on (specific) cases didn't match my expectation for mod effort (which is to always open every flagged post/comment/whatever to see the full context before handling).
Perhaps "often" in my original comment above was a bit harsh, but for what it's worth I did specify "that require more than an out-of-context glance".
 
4:22 PM
Does this need more focus?
Question answered :)
 
These mods :), I would probably not have voted to close it, it seem to me that answer fits well in the answer box... but yeah it was gathering a lot of crap and no answer... so it can just as well be deleted...
 
4:48 PM
@bad_coder @fedorqui'SOstopharming' @Dharman SO Chat is strictly English-only. Conversations on SO chat are required to be in English. Rooms on SO Chat where the messages are substantially not in English are subject to deletion. Non-English conversations in rooms otherwise in English are subject to deletion, potentially as spam/R/A with the associated chat suspension.
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Conversations in languages other than English are permitted on the SE Chat server, at least to the extent that there's a localized site for the language. Languages beyond those are problematic, but, in my experience, are not immediately sanctioned.
 
@Makyen does this apply on private communication as well, I mean if two users make their room? just curious
 
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