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12:02 AM
@Nkosi Great! I appreciate all the help
 
@Machavity np
 
And the hats are gone for another year...
 
It was fun while it lasted.
 
They mussed up my horns
Thank god
 
Hi!
 
12:14 AM
@drmuelr: hello
 
Hello
 
Okay, with the opening "Hello World!" message out of the way... Is the a good place to ask about suggested edits and their review?
 
Winter Bash is over and I forgot to take a screenshot p:
 
@drmuelr Yes, with some restrictions which you can find in the FAQ
@drmuelr You're wondering why this edit was rejected?
 
Everyone is so naked now :(
 
12:20 AM
@Scratte on the upside, you can see all the colours of my rainbow again :)
 
@Nick Your naked rainbow..
 
@Scratte if only I had a hat to cover it with...
 
In theory, it's possible to write a stack-specific search engine for that, but in practice you need a lot of hard drive for that.
It looks nicer if the comment stays because of OP's answer -- perhaps I could just web-archive it (too late.) -- it's deleted now anyway, perhaps someone flagged it.
@rene Yes.
 
@IanCampbell Just re-emerged from the FAQ rabbit hole. Yes, exactly. If it were one reviewer, I'd chalk it up as a fluke, but 2 of 3 reviews rejecting it has me wondering. It seems that simply adding a link directly to the official documentation of the subject is a good candidate for an edit, but 2 reviewers thought otherwise.
 
First, I'm not sure it adds a lot, since people can just google it and find the first hit.
Second, the question author references version 2.5 and you link to version 3.
 
12:29 AM
@Nick Perhaps I'll make a user script that randomly puts hats on other user's avatar :)
 
However, my dinner is ready, so I need to step away, but I suspect other people here can provide additional insight.
 
@drmuelr I don't agree with the rejection of that edit.
 
Keep up the edits!
 
@Scratte that could make for some interesting avatars...
 
@Nick I've already made one that gives regular moderators custom username colours :)
 
12:31 AM
Everyone, say goodbye to hats. December 16th - January 4
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I'm already crying.. don't rub it in :( Sniff.. :''''(
 
@Scratte do you have one for each moderator? e.g. big red and bold, or perhaps a more mellow yellow?
 
@Nick I have a separate colour for each moderator. They're also in bold and I like them with the diamond before the username in chat. Machavity is orange
 
12:35 AM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated We're not sure :)
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated it's already been discussed above, I tend to agree with @IanCampbell second reason
But I might just have pressed "Skip" on that one...
 
@Nick Yes, but I do not think they checked that. If they had a custom reject reason had been in order.
 
@Scratte well I think you could argue it conflicts with the author's intent.
@Scratte nice. did you colour sample the hard hat?
 
@Nick No, just something close to. Cody is blue.. Jon is yellow. Makyen is a brownish bronze matching their avatar, like everyone else, except for Cody. But Cody was the only regular moderator in chat before the last election, so I was used to seeing Cody in blue. Samuel has multiple colours making a rainbow :D
 
12:46 AM
@Scratte What makes Samuel so special?
 
@Nick Their avatar is rainbow, no? :)
The only special one is Cody, that has a colour unlike the colours of the avatar.
 
@Scratte makes sense, I haven't seen Samuel around much of late so hadn't noticed
 
@Nick I think the second point is at best fuzzy. The original question author doesn't mention version limitations anywhere. Their mention of Python 2.5 is only an example of a static file they want to load.
 
@Scratte What about machavity?
 
12:52 AM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated See here
 
@drmuelr yes, it is fuzzy, and as I also said, I probably would have skipped that review...
@Scratte I'm sure it looks a lot prettier with your userscript.
 
@Nick That only works in chat :)
 
@Nick You wouldn't approve it?
 
What language is used for userscripts?
Java Script?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Yes. It the language of browsers, no?
 
12:57 AM
@drmuelr no, because I don't know if that version was what the answer author meant to refer to.
 
Shouldn't be too hard, should it? :)
 
I really don't like the deletions of these Answers
 
LQP deletions go brrrr
 
@Scratte I see only one deleted answer. Why don't you like the deletion?
 
It's going to get deleted..
@cigien The author asked for documentation. They haven't even seen the link yet. The meta post about reviewing says not to delete an Answer if the Question asks for a link.
@cigien I'm not seeing a deleted one. I'm seeing one that is about to be deleted :)
 
1:07 AM
@Scratte Ah, I see. Yeah, I don't see any reason for that answer to be deleted.
I'm not sure why you've posted a comment containing the answer before the answer is deleted anyway. The comment might get removed as NLN. You should probably add the comment once the answer is deleted. Assuming it gets deleted of course.
 
@cigien Because 1. The user I'm having a discussion with doesn't seem to know about not deleting these answers or they just don't agree with the meta posts.. not sure what's going on with that, to be honest. So this Answer will get deleted. 2. The Question already has delete votes on it. And I can't post a comment after it's deleted.
 
@Scratte How do you know it has delete votes on it?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated User script asking the API.
 
Just how many userscripts do you have?
So far I've counted 5 :)
 
I have 30 installed. 8 of them are not active. 4 is just for chat.
Then I have CSS changes on stylus, which I meant to make into user scripts as well.
And a ton of stuff blocked by uBlocker.
One of my user scripts is just for youtube, blocking that new annoying popup that goes off every times one clicks on a link. It makes it impossible to start a video in the middle since the popup pauses the video and reset the time.
 
1:19 AM
@Nick The major version in the link is the same as the most recent major version when the author wrote their answer, though. Beyond that, all versions have nearly identical documentation for the function in question; any ambiguity should be a moot point.
 
@Scratte What popup? Are you not logged into youtube?
 
I'm just surprised that that would be enough to cause somebody to skip.
 
@drmuelr but I don't have the time to go look that up, so I would have used "Skip".
 
@Scratte Ok, I assume your prediction is based on your experience with similar posts. There are comments being added to that post as we speak, so I'll just follow the post and see what happens. Thanks for the clarification.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Never.
 
1:22 AM
@Nick Yea, I can definitely see why John Q. Reviewer wouldn't go chasing that down.
 
@cigien The comments being added seems to me to ignore the meta about not deleting these answers. They seem to be "validating" their opinion, so I can't see there's anything to be done.
 
@Scratte Yeah, the comment about the question being answerable by doing a "simple search" is definitely besides the point, at least. I agree, probably best to disengage at this point.
 
@cigien If I recall.. I've had that exact similar experience in the past. I can't remember if a moderator intervened or not. But since the entire post is going to Roomba in 10 days, I think it's unlikely. Though I'd still like that to happen.
 
@Scratte How can you tell the reject reason? Are the displayed messages the canned responses for rejection categories?
 
@drmuelr Yes. Hmm.. no. One is.
 
1:31 AM
@Scratte The other one is custom? If so, which one?
 
Ehh.. editing your own personal indentation preference isn't OK, right? I also notice they removed the import.
@drmuelr Actually they're both canned. See the reject dialog
 
@Scratte Got it. Since you mentioned you disagree with the rejections: what would you do if this were your edit?
 
What to do with such suggested edit? Personally I prefer the original.. it's kind of same question as the other one I asked.
 
@Scratte No, it's not, unless there are other substantial changes to the post. Also, removing the import is not ok. That edit should be rejected.
 
@drmuelr Heh.. that's a little tricky, since I don't do a lot of suggested edits. The fear is that one wrong move gives one a review suspension, so I'd probably have skipped it even if I would have liked to approve it.
 
1:45 AM
@Scratte Huh, you can't possibly be suspended from reviewing for a single bad review.
 
@cigien Oh yes you can. Any post that's posted in the bad reviews room is handled manually.
 
@Scratte if that's true, that sounds ridiculous. A vast majority of reviewers can't even know of the existence of that chat room. That just doesn't seem fair.
 
@Scratte I rejected it, no improvement
 
@cigien My last suspension was one such. My first one wasn't from that room, but still manual. I've only failed two audits and none of them resulted in a suspension.
 
@Scratte It sounds like you and @cigien are talking from a reviewer perspective. I'm looking for feedback on how to be a better editor.
 
1:50 AM
@Scratte Reject it with a custom reason that explains what they are doing wrong.
 
The second audit I failed was me being a complete <censored>. I knew it was spam, I was about to click to flag it and I accidentally hit "Looks OK" :D
 
@drmuelr Sorry, I wasn't addressing your edit actually, I haven't looked at it. I was just commenting on Scratte's point about review suspensions. Apologies for the confusion.
 
@Makyen Thank you. I did that with the first one. This one has already been reviewed while I was thinking about thinking about what to do :)
 
@cigien No worries, I hadn't gotten that impression. :)
 
@drmuelr To be honest, I think your edit was fine. But as an editor, you may want to consider looking at it from a reviewer's point, as there's noway you can get an edit past two of those.
 
2:00 AM
@Scratte Heh, combining this with what @Nick and @IanCampbell have mentioned, it sounds like that means "make obviously correct and high-impact edits."
 
@drmuelr Yes :) Save the subtle ones for the full edit privilege :)
..and don't edit posts that may get closed. Those will likely be rejected independently of the quality of your edit.
 
@drmuelr Ok, I looked at your edit, and it looks good. You've added a useful link to a resource that is already referenced by the author. The reject reason "deviates from the intent" just seems wrong. The reject reason "doesn't improve the post" is a little more subjective, but I personally think it's an improvement.
Note that Scratte's point is a good one; while deciding whether to make an edit shouldn't depend upon what errant reviewers might do, the reality is that you should probably take that into account. There are some issues with how suggested edits are handled. One that I'm personally not fond of is the expectation that suggested edits be of a higher quality than edits made by users who don't need their edits reviewed.
fwiw, you could also bring this topic up for discussion in the Bad Reviews chat room, although you won't find as many users actively participating there.
 
@Scratte All good points of feedback, thank you! Maybe after another 8.5 years, I'll get the full edit privilege. :D
 
Scratte makes another good point, don't edit posts that might get closed. I find this one strange as well, since I could make such edits and never get penalized for it, but you could get penalized for doing the same thing, even though as a higher rep user I should be held to a higher standard than you.
 
So as a rule of thumb: just leave closed questions (and answers thereto) alone?
 
2:10 AM
Editing answers to closed questions is fine, but yes, leaving those questions alone is a good idea.
 
Got it. And how would I get penalized as an editor? Anything beyond a rejected edit?
 
Well, enough rejected edits, and you'll get a review suspension. Also, as Scratte just informed me, if a single user complains about you in the Bad Reviews room, you could get suspended immediately. Which is truly bizzare, but I trust Scratte to be giving me the right information here.
@drmuelr Oh, ignore my last comment, that was completely incorrect :( AFAIK, as an editor, the only thing that can happen is you get a rejected edit. I got confused by the whole reviewer suspension thing. My bad.
 
@cigien Okay, I was a little confused on that point; I'm glad you clarified.
 
@Scratte it is done. I just went for "no improvement"
 
@drmuelr I think you can get suspended from making suggestions, but that only happens to really bad editors.
 
2:23 AM
@drmuelr Sorry, that was silly on my part. I didn't mean to confuse you like that.
 
@Scratte Okay, yea, that lines up with what my intuitive understanding would be.
@cigien No worries, I'm sure it's been awhile since you've had to make a distinction between editor and edit reviewer. :)
This is all great feedback. Thanks guys. :) I don't have much bandwidth for Stack Exchange, so I try to make my interactions count, and this helps a lot.
 
@drmuelr That's true. In fact, I don't think I ever made many suggested edits. I really only started editing posts with any frequency after I had full editing privileges.
 
@cigien I made the same mistake and missed out on all those +2 rep points!
 
@Nick Well, it seems we also missed out on the whole "why did my good edits get rejected" hassle as well, so that's a plus ;)
 
@cigien :)
 
2:29 AM
@Nick Hey, that's not a bad plan for farming points. :D I have a hard time coming up with questions that aren't already answered, so those precious points come in at a trickle.
 
@Nick They're not worth it! The suspense of hours not knowing if it'll be rejected or approved. I had one that took 5 days! And bad statistics of the rejections.
 
@Scratte it's no worse than answering a question when it turns out OP has posted just before they went to bed...
 
@drmuelr Have you considered answering posts? :)
@Nick I don't mind that. Other users can vote on my posts.. and I did something that I know works :)
 
@drmuelr It's great that you're putting in all this effort to be able to contribute more effectively to SE, and that you're responsive to the feedback. It's very much appreciated, thank you :)
 
@Scratte well, I generally felt that way about my suggested edits...
 
2:41 AM
@Nick Oh. I kind of feel less for my Answers. I don't mind downvotes and I can fix them if I want to. Suggested edits is my time wasted if they're rejected. I also don't learn anything new from them. For Answers, I usually brush up on the documentation.
 
@Scratte Except now you have edit privileges, so, no rejected edits?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Long story.. I was turned off editing during my kindergarden time.
I'd turn the privilege off if I could. I actually downvoted Answers to keep under 2K for a long time.
 
@Scratte Oh yeah, the edit that was rejected due to being a conflict, I forgot.
 
I'm impressed you remember :)
 
@Scratte I recently saw a link in one of the SE metas that talked about early answers receiving more attention (and more votes) than later answers, even if the later answers are higher quality... Case in point with my all-time top answer
 
2:51 AM
I see.. the accepted one seems to have more than twice the votes. But does it matter?
 
Question: does the tag look like a good candidate for burnination?
Seems like it refers to either image masking, a css mask, or masking data, so I'd say it's unambiguos
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Just so you know.. burninations are usually not very kind on posts. Value doesn't seem to be high on the list of things to look out for.
So.. of those 2372 Question with that tag, some of them will survive.
 
But there's no other way to remove a tag that IMO deserves to go....
But I understand your point, some value will go unnoticed
 
"An image mask is a bitmap that specifies an area to paint, but not the color. In effect, an image mask acts as a stencil to specify where to place color on the page. Quartz uses the current fill color to paint an image mask"
What's what the except says.. what's wrong with it?
Did you mean ambiguos?
 
@Scratte Only in the sense that: when I encounter a question, it's rare for all 3 of these conditions to overlap: 1.) I know how to answer the question. 2.) The question doesn't already have a good-enough answer. 3.) I'm available to write an answer before a good one is posted. For late answers, it's rare that I have enough additional insight to justify the time writing it. (I'm a slow writer.)
 
3:00 AM
That tag excerpt isn't very specific, IMO. The tag is being used for multiple things, not only image masking. For instance this, this, this... I could go on.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Kind of like "arrays"? Would you like to burn that too?
 
@Scratte arrays refers to data only, not anything else. This refers to data and images, and some other topics.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated So some users are using it wrongly. Some times users put java on javaScript Questions. Should we burn java?
 
If not a burninate, I think it should be renamed to "image-mask" or something... this way it's clear what the tag should be used for.
 
@drmuelr I am too. Most of my answers are late :)
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated That sounds less destructive.
 
3:08 AM
Yeah, now that I think about it burninating it is a horrible idea...
 
I think there's a meta somewhere about how to write a meta about making a synonym suggestion.
There's certainly one about burninations too.
 
3:20 AM
@drmuelr Sadly 4 of my 5 top answers were posted within 10 minutes of the question being asked.
Just goes to show, you need not be best, only first.
 
@IanCampbell Yea, that aspect is pretty discouraging.
Or rather, doesn't incentivize quality answers over churning out a lot of fast answers.
 
the python tag in a nutshell - the first answer wins. It kinda sucks
which is why I don't answer questions nowadays
 
vietnamese answer that should be a comment anyway
 
@Nick Forget anything in that request, by any chance?
 
Like maybe a link? Plus can't non english answers be flagged as NAA?
 
3:30 AM
oops
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Yes, they can. It'll get deleted as NAA :)
 
@Nick May I advice you don't use "OP" in a message to someone that doesn't even write in English? :)
 
@Scratte they'll be able to learn something new! :)
 
@Nick Not very likely. It took me quite a while to figure out what that meant. And I searched for it.
 
3:33 AM
@Scratte it's one of my canned comments. I thought everyone on SO knew that OP meant original post(er)
 
@Nick Of what post? An Answer? the Question? It can also mean Original Post. Since posts are edited here, it's not unambiguous, even if one succeeds in finding it from a search.
 
@cigien Hey, SE has been indispensable throughout my career; I'm more than happy to do what I can to improve it. Again, thanks for all the feedback everybody! I'm going to continue backing out of my rabbit hole now. :)
 
@Scratte depends on the context. In that comment it's pretty clear it refers to the poster of the question
(as long as you know what OP stands for)
 
"Question author" is what I use now, as I learned from halfer
 
@Nick I think you may be "suffering" from familiarity with the term ;)
 
3:37 AM
@Scratte it does get used a lot on this site, not just by me. I picked it up from usage long before I first used it myself
 
@Nick I know.. I just don't think it's an excuse.
But I may be biased. I don't like it. I think it's ambiguous as best. And I also do not like abbreviations.
Unless they are really very common, like names, IBM, NATO, USD.
 
cigien hit me with "AGF" yesterday. I had some fun with google.
 
@Scratte have to agree to disagree on this one...
 
@IanCampbell I have no idea what that means. But profanities did come into my mind. As Google F...
 
@IanCampbell all good fun?
 
3:40 AM
@Nick Just consider not using them with new users or people what don't even write in English.
 
Well, I came to the conclusion of "Assume good faith", but only they can know for sure.
 
Oops, "AGF" is "Assume Good Faith". I thought that was commonly used.
 
Haha, I nailed it!
 
:)
 
@cigien I think you made it up!
 
3:40 AM
@cigien Never saw that before.. F... is still going through my mind on that one.
 
Well, I didn't know it until recently. I'm not sure it's used much outside of certain parts of SE.
 
No one new is going to know what AGF means. Lets not make it harder than it has to be.
 
@Scratte fair enough. Since that canned comment is only for people with <50 rep I'll edit it to say "the question author" instead
 
@Scratte True, but Ian is hardly new :)
 
@cigien True.. but in a week it'll be used by 20.. and 1,365,987 will be confused ;)
 
3:43 AM
You've been a user for 3 years 5 month, and I've been here for 9 months. I'm a newbie.
 
@Nick Awesome. I knew there was a good reason to stay up until 5 in the morning :)
 
@Scratte I'm pretty sure that's not it! :)
 
@IanCampbell Huh? Ohh.. I see :)
 
Waffles...
 
I think coffee is what I need right now... any SD privileged users about?
 
3:45 AM
@IanCampbell Oh, really? I thought you'd been around longer. And ignore the 3 years 5 months thing. I made an account then to post a question (it got insta-closed as a dupe of course ;:). I've only been active for about 9 months myself.
 
But.. look at the activity..
 
!!/coffee Nick
 
@AdrianMole brews a cup of Mocha for @Nick
 
You brewed coffee for @Nicks :D
 
@AdrianMole ah... just what I needed...
 
3:46 AM
Really SD won't brew me any coffee just because I'm a plebeian?
!!/coffee
 
@IanCampbell brews a cup of Latte for @IanCampbell
 
Good SD
 
^ I take Bitcoin, American Express, gold bullion...
 
..and beer.
 
hehe
 
3:47 AM
Wait - so you don't need to be privileged for coffee?
!!/coffee
 
@Nick brews a cup of Espresso for @Nick
 
@SmokeDetector Awesome! :)
 
@IanCampbell Whaddya mean, 'wut'? Humans...
 
lol!
 
3:49 AM
Hats are gone 😭
 
@Yatin Yes.. you're naked now.
 
I have a built-in one though :p
 
I'm going to wear one the rest of the year. I'm just not sure if I should change the colours to make it rainbow.
 
Why is there no !!/beer command?
 
sdc blame
 
3:54 AM
@Yatin It's Yatin's fault.
 
Oh god
 
@Nick Too many moderators were getting drunk.
 
@AdrianMole I thought they got drunk on power!
 
Is that like Red Bull?
 
No need for caffeine...
@AdrianMole Aren't you in Glasgow? Are you up early or late?
 
3:56 AM
Both.
 
Allnighter?
 
Probably just up for a middle of night sandwich and had to check Stack Overflow. It's an addiction ;)
 
hello o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
4:04 AM
smiley for you both :)
 
@Nick I found your review task
 
@Scratte @AdrianMole are you also here?
 
@IanCampbell yeah, I did flag NAA as well as dv and vtd'ing (I was busy!)
 
@bad_coder \o
 
@bad_coder No.
 
4:07 AM
@bad_coder No too.
 
Also also no (too bad the sorcerer Tim is not around to get my Monty Python joke)
 
Same
 
@AdrianMole @Scratte ok you four are not here :)
 
@bad_coder Actually.. it's 5 in the morning for me and I didn't sleep yet. And we're not sure what's up with Adrian :)
 
@bad_coder Yep both are not here. Neither am I. Are you here?
 
4:09 AM
@Yatin I think I am :) I've been sleeping a long nap in the morning
well good seeing you all, always nice to say hi and see how the SOCVR folks are doing.
 
 
2 hours later…
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6:04 AM
Stack overflow is now "offline for maintenance". Was that previously announced? And actually, will this chat work?
 
chat still works yes
already the second time in 15 minutes for me
 
Probably they let the hamsters that run the servers go on break.
 
the last time it was because Nick learned a lesson about their infrastructure
 
dbc
And back.
For me at least.
 
yup
only partially though, tag info page not working
 
dbc
6:09 AM
And down again... and back.
 
and back
twitter.com/StackStatus no longer works without JavaScript, it used to work with some degradation
but nothing there yet, they only seem to update after the issue
stackstatus.net is even less informative
 
 
1 hour later…
7:26 AM
@Makyen / RO please bin this request. OP edit the question.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
@TomerShetah Maybe the question itself is the real problem and it needs details or clarity. The answer doesn't answer the question but in the first comment, the OP says that what they tried didn't work. So this answer might be some kind of "no repro" answer.
 
@JeanneDark Thanks for the suggestion!
 
@TomerShetah It's a comment, not an answer. If it's work and why not working on OP environment is the real answer.
 
@Shree Please see Jeanne's reply above.
 
8:16 AM
@TomerShetah No repro is not an answer. Subject to closed question. And it's comment.
cc / @JeanneDark
 
8:32 AM
@Shree This answer by a mod seems to suggest that "no repro" counts as an answer.
 
8:45 AM
@JeanneDark I don't think the moderator really mean that. I mean, may be more context is needed. If "no repro" is an answer, why "no repro" is close reason as well? About the answer in this case, NAA does not look the best flag for "this is comment" answers. Custom flag may be better.
 
9:09 AM
@AmitJoshi It's NAA if it doesn't attempt to answer the question (inside the answer box). See When to flag an answer as “not an answer”.
 
 
10:13 AM
@JeanneDark It's deleted as NAA by MOD and the topic closed :)
 
10:43 AM
@Shree That looks focused, and clear enough. it's just a how-to question.
 
@cigien No, without showing some attempt or research it's still needs more focus. I still stick with CV.
 
@solid.py It's preferable not to include duplicate targets in cv-pls requests. Please see these messages for the rationale and what to do instead.
 
@Shree An attempt is not required for how-to questions, or questions in general. Also, lack of research is not a close reason, it's only a reason to downvote. Also, I'm not sure why lack of an attempt or lack of research automatically implies lack of focus. OP simply wants to merge cells in the same row that contain duplicate adjacent items, which seems focused to me.
 
11:05 AM
@cigien Its personal thought of moderation, good faith is enough. I don't disagree with your thought but I still stick with my reason. Sorry :(
 
@Shree I disagree with you. Most Answers I find to be helpful when I search are on these type of Quesitons.
 
@Scratte No problem and thanks for feedback.
I still where I am. No I am not going to request to bin that CV. Sorry.
 
@rene Just a heads up, one of your dupe closures is being disputed on meta.
 
@Shree For what it's worth I think it's wrong to try to force effort. The Quesstion is clear and focused.
 
11:20 AM
@Scratte Nothing to say, I always try to save questions and answers. If you think ping RO to bin or custom flag for MOD. I still with my CV.
 
@cigien let me find a better dupe
 
@cigien The entire Question was deleted. Perhaps the Question author can still see the Answer.
 
@Scratte The OP self-deleted the question. I don't think they can see the deleted answer, since it was deleted via review (as you predicted). Also, your comment replicating the answer was deleted a while ago unfortunately, so hopefully the OP saw the answer or the comment before it all went poof.
 
11:35 AM
@cigien So someone deleted my comment?
That's just spiteful. There's no other interpretation to that. Someone wanted to keep that information from the Question author. I'm surprised a moderator indulged that. My respect just dropped.
 
@Scratte Yeah, sorry.
 
@cigien Thanks, noted. :)
 
@Scratte Well, as I'd mentioned, you made your comment before the answer was deleted, so if a mod saw the comment in that period, then deleting as NLN would have been appropriate. I agree it's unfortunate, but I'm not sure there was malice on anyone's part.
 
@cigien No, it would not have been appropriate. It was clear as day that the Answer was getting deleted. So that makes it negligent and malice.
 
@rene Thanks for handling that.
 
11:49 AM
"handling" ... I just admitted defeat ...
 
That's a perfectly reasonable, and often appropriate way to handle things.
 
@rene Some of use like you more now. Saying "Oops, I'm sorry. I made a mistake" makes some trust you more :)
 
12:08 PM
@cigien I have edited the question, to point out the condition on when columns are joined. I think that it is clear now. Maybe could use a better title
 
@janw That's definitely an improvement, thanks for editing. Yeah, the title looks like it could be improved as well, though I'm not sure exactly what phrasing to use. The subject is a bit outside my comfort zone.
 
Same for me. :D I guess it is ok then, since it only lacks the "identical contents" part.
 
I think the title is fine.
 
Well, not much more we can do at least. Hopefully someone who knows more will stumble across it and can improve it. Related: I've been told a couple of times that the titles don't matter too much when searching for questions. Not really sure how that works though.
 
I don't understand that logic. When I search on the internet, hitting the title is the key to finding a post. Not sure how other users search. But I can't get a hit on a post if I only search for stuff that's in the body.
 
12:21 PM
Yeah, me too. Maybe I'm imagining it. I'll see if I can find that in the transcript.
 
That was even more clear when trying to get the "defender of the unicorn" hat. I had to exactly land on the title of that blog post with the registered accounts.
 
I think there are two components here. Search engines usually also match the body - this happens frequently to me, when looking for error messages. But in most cases they only show the titles, and it is for you to decide whether the question fits your problem and you click on it.
 
@janw Not sure about that. Even after I knew what blog post I wanted to hit, I did a lot of different keyword searches and checked to see what pages the result linked to.
 
@cigien You mean messages like this?
 
@JeanneDark Yes, exactly. Thanks for finding it.
 
12:51 PM
@cigien How's it clear?
We have no idea what the underlying html is, or how it's created (says dynamically, but it's the server or the client), or where should the result be inserted.
 
@cigien seem like a question with many dupes? no? I'm not a jquery specialist but this seem same stackoverflow.com/questions/1294850/…
 
@Braiam Another user seems to have found the question clear, and OP agrees. Perhaps the question can be edited to make it clearer?
 
or this stackoverflow.com/questions/35939545/… or tons of others if you search "jquery set dynamically colspan"
 
@cigien The fact that someone had a crystal ball to guess what OP wants doesn't mean that the question is clear: the OP should make sure the question is clear for everyone reading it.
 
@PetterFriberg Not the faintest idea. If it had been closed as a dupe, I wouldn't have paid any attention to it.
 
12:55 PM
I only read the title... put into google... 10 results with same title..
 
@PetterFriberg See, that question is clear: it says that it should merge cells that has empty contents.
 
@PetterFriberg I think there was some doubt about the title being appropriate. Those titles definitely look identical, but that doesn't necessarily mean much.
 
Morning :)
 
I'm in for reopening.. but yeah it just seem like another duplicate me and reopen to dupe baah seem like little sense...
 
1:00 PM
@PetterFriberg If you find a valid target, then reopening is pointless. But the fact that it looks like a duplicate doesn't really matter, and the question should be reopened. I see questions all the time that look like they must be dupes, but turn out not to be.
 
This is probably an exact dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/16764404/…, seem like they also want when with same content
 
@PetterFriberg I find the comment on the question hilarious
 
Inappropriate use of the word, "burninate!" Will the program clean up poor tags on SO?
 
it's the problem on SO people prefer to answer instead of searching for a dupe which makes everything so scattered.. Then true people who are used to tag (seen same question 100 times) votes "unclear" ("What is your problem") instead of closing as dupe... which is another problem but smaller...
 
@PetterFriberg Eh? Duplicate closure and answering are the same thing.
 
1:13 PM
@PetterFriberg I agree with that duplicate. Should we reopen and close it again, or just keep it closed and delete it later?
 
@janw If one of you has a hammer, then go for it, otherwise don't bother.
 
Anyway, probably better if this is handled by a javascript/jquery hammer.
:)
 
Both of y'all agree that the target is valid though, right? Petter, and janw that is.
 
Yes.
 
1:16 PM
I do not believe the waste of votes is warranted.
 
@NathanOliver Can you bin this request please? An appropriate target has been found.
 
Thanks.
 
If it's easily searchable as @Petter claims, then the duplicate doesn't make the question easier to search.
 
1:33 PM
@NathanOliver may you please remove this reopen request? OP has removed the question.
 
It got moved with the cleanup script
 
Thanks :)
 
1:50 PM
@AmitJoshi The answer isn't at 0 or -1 for 20k deletion
 
@Machavity Is custom mod flag recommended in such a case? Will that be "helpful"?
 
@AmitJoshi Yep. Someone had mod flagged some other answers there as well. Dead links are a valid reason to mod flag (provided they can't be edited out)
 
@Machavity Ok, thanks...
 
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