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12:22 AM
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Free gold badges for everyone! :)
That was a nice surprise this morning...
 
 
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6:19 AM
Homenum Revelio!
 
o/ Um.. Natty hasn't been for a walk for a while.
Like... a good, long while
 
6:57 AM
@Yatin ninjaed
 
Aaah :p
 
Did y'all get that from Natty?
 
yes
 
Ah, cool. Thanks.
 
6:59 AM
it looks like an answer attempt...
 
Might be thanks to the first one...
 
ah you mean the comment ?
btw the accepted answer is link only
 
we have checked all three options.
 
@JeanneDark "actually it was so unfortunate a change that I really thought it must have been intentional" is one of the saddest things I have read all week.
 
@Yatin without the link that would leave users with more questions than answers right?
 
7:08 AM
True
I... think I will just leave a comment..
 
@SurajRao Yes, that's correct. Only moderator deletion prevents a user from undeleting a post. Deletion by regular community members (e.g., via review, as happened in that case) does not prevent the OP from undeleting. I've applied a moderator deletion there to force that stays forever deleted.
(Note that, in cases where a user undeletes a post that was deleted via review, an automatic moderator flag is raised, so we can double-check and see if the post was edited into shape before undeletion. If not, we forcibly re-delete.)
cc @JeanneDark @AdrianMole ^^
@Letsintegreat That's great, and it looks like most of your edits were good ones, but please do pace yourself. Not only will you burn out faster trying to do too much at a time, but a large number of edits can be disruptive for other users, especially if all of those edits are to questions with similar tags, because such edits "bump" the questions up to the homepage.
 
yes thanks :) I found it here
 
@Dharman For what it's worth, I think that's fantastic. It's not ideal that the revision comments don't at least support the same mini-markdown as comments, but that's no reason to avoid including a link explaining the motivation behind your edit. It's trivial to copy-paste into the address bar, and it serves as a great educational tool for those looking at the revision history and wondering why. It's obviously not obligatory, but great if you have it handy.
@Yatin No, that's an answer.
 
7:30 AM
ok
 
At least for the purposes of a NAA flag. If you have subject-matter expertise that makes you think otherwise, that would be a custom flag (or a request to delete in here).
 
7:55 AM
There's a feature request to kick @JeanneDark out of the top spot on the Meta "Participation" tab. It doesn't seem to be very popular. :-)
 
8:26 AM
@CodyGray =D
 
@CodyGray OK, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for reviewing and pointing!
 
@DavidBuck Is there not a canonical question for Python about indentation in loop constructs?
 
@CodyGray Good question. I normally just vtc as a typo. I'll have a look.
 
Seems it would be both more useful to the asker and more expeditious for the curator.
It's not as if it's a rare problem in the Python tag.
 
8:41 AM
It's the opposite question, but the most highly upvoted answer seems to fit the bill. stackoverflow.com/questions/1016814/…
 
Hmm, that question is pretty short, but seems to have a comprehensive answer. Would it make sense to edit it and broaden what is being asked for use as a canonical?
@jps You do not think that FPGA programming is programming related?
 
jps
@CodyGray tell me
should I retract?
 
I mean, it's somewhat outside of my expertise, but as far as I understand it, it is programming. I don't know if that specific question might be too far outside the bounds, though. Do you have familiarity with the topic?
 
jps
no expert either. IHMO this is a kind of question for which you may find someone able to help, because there are enough people with hardware background, but electronics.se seems to be far more fitting (with higher chance to find an answer)
 
It's too old to migrate, or I would do so for sure.
 
jps
8:56 AM
and the verdict? Should it stay or should it go? I can retract, no problem.
 
You want me to make the call? What do you think I am, a moderator? :-) I don't know.
I guess I'm going to say off-topic. Doesn't have enough code.
 
jps
moderator? Ah, that's why you have a diamond behind your name...
yep, not much code indeed
here's another such case, much older: stackoverflow.com/questions/32500137/…
 
That's even less programming-related.
 
jps
that's what I mean
thanks
 
Yeah, I mean that's literally electronics design, not even FPGA programming.
 
jps
9:04 AM
we cleaned up a lot of electronics stuff this week, I think > 100 questions, not even fpga related
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on the tag, there are now a lot of closed questions, mostly totally OT, but many of them have answers and won't roomba anytime soon. How should we proceed with them?
 
Depends on whether the answers have any lasting value, I suppose.
I'll clean out some until I get bored...
 
jps
I didn't see much value in most case and they're OT anyway. Thanks for your support
what's NATO?
 
9:25 AM
North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Here, it means New Answer To Old Question. Don't ask me what happened to the Q; I have no idea.
 
jps
thanks, only noticed NATO recently and wondered
 
The Q got closed.
 
Found a question where a guy is trying to make a bot for a game where it is banned to use bots, should such question be closed as it is breaking other websites rules? If so what flag to rise?
 
We do not enforce other sites' policies here.
 
There's no flag to raise. SO doesn't enforce third party restrictions like that.
 
9:34 AM
Thanks for information :)
 
@RyanM With NAA bonus!
 
The worst kind of bonus
...well, maybe not the worst, but certainly not a bonus I want.
 
9:55 AM
 
\o
 
o/
 
10:13 AM
o/
 
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Christmas is over; put away the nutcrackers.
 
10:32 AM
Does this answer count as NAA? The actual content is on another site, but the rule about using library is "you have to show how to use that library", and the answer includes that.
 
@user202729 looks like an answer to me
 
10:50 AM
@user202729 yeah, it seems fine. It's pointing to some library and shows how to use it. It's a valid answer. Whether it's a good answer is a different matter, of course but an answer it is.
 
(I know that rule, but I kind of hope that it is a NAA because it's worse than the answer below but the OP accepts it.)
 
Meh. It's a pretty bad answer. It doesn't include the code required to actually use it.
 
The first question is Node.js-specific, the second is generic to JavaScript, but all the answers on the second one is an answer to the first one too.
 
Someone should put that code in the answer.
 
@user202729 I'd consider them separate. Although, feel free to link for convenience. While the generic JS answers would work in Node.js, there are possibly some Node.js specific libraries or options that merit their own answer that might be slightly out of place in a generic JS context.
 
10:55 AM
There are a bunch of NAA on the first question by the way, someone could convert them to comments.
(comments are ordered by posted date, okay.)
 
@user202729 A note - I've went ahead and edited out the reference to the user. Didn't seem necessary or useful. Also, the user has changed their name. I didn't see a reason to update it. If anybody finds a fault with the edit, feel free to roll back or edit.
 
I agree with that, @VLAZ.
Did you not think it was reasonable to actually put the code in the answer?
 
The code from the link?
 
Mhm.
 
I'm not sure on the intellectual legality of that. I avoid adding code from links.
 
11:00 AM
Meh.
 
Ultimately, I'd treat it as a library. I wouldn't include a library code to an answer, even if it's small enough to fit.
 
Mmm?
 
@CodyGray This seems kind of related to what you said a while back. I meant to ask for clarification but forgot. From what I can tell, SE requires us to follow third party licenses when copying content, so what am I missing?
 
@cigien Where did you get that impression?
 
@CodyGray From the conversation I was having with Makyen, that you were responding to in fact. Statements like this and this one. To be fair, I may have misunderstood what was being said, and I didn't double check any of it.
 
11:08 AM
Makyen prefers to enforce third-party licenses. That's not an accurate representation of what I understand Stack Exchange's requirements/expectations to be.
Standing policy for years has been to wave your arms and shout "fair use", "not my problem".
All posts here are caveat emptor with respect to licensing. In other words, if you're going to use content here, it is on you to check the applicable licenses.
 
That's kind of been my attitude, but since there does seem to be a difference of opinion between mods on what the SE policy is, I'll read it myself first then before continuing the conversation much. Thanks. Though what I'll understand of the document if there's too much legalese I don't know :p
 
What "document" are you referring to?
 
This must be written down somewhere, right? i.e. what the rules are about copying content from external sources. Even if it's essentially, "anything goes", that must be explicit somewhere.
 
No; that's kind of the whole point.
 
@cigien Once someone writes something of the sort, they expose themselves and the company.
 
11:15 AM
If a policy were written down, it'd need to be legal.
 
... (it's a legal thing, I can kinda understand why it's like that.)
 
@user202729 Oh, cool, thanks. And no answer to the question, but still ...
 
Don't forget this one about suggested edits: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/348698/…
 
11:24 AM
Haha, and that's 8 years old, so unless there have been complaints since then, I'd say we're alright as well.
 
I quoted the least important part of the answer, of course. The important part is that as long as you make abundantly clear that you're quoting an external source, you aren't relicensing the original content, so there's no copyright infringement.
 
@CodyGray With the usual IANAL caveat.
 
As far as you know ;-)
 
I mean, that is a unfortunate abbreviation
 
There's a lot to parse in those Metas, thanks for the links (Cody and Nick). It seems clear at least why there isn't anything written down officially. I'll have to read up more of this and think hard about how much I care about the matter when it comes to adhering to third party licenses myself, or enforcing it.
 
11:29 AM
I generally have a different standard for questions vs. answers. In questions, the asker has a vested interest in getting the answer, so it's reasonable to expect them to do the work. If they don't, then that's their issue, not ours. However, with answers, they're a potentially valuable contribution to our knowledge base, so we have a vested interest in improving them and ensuring that they continue to be useful.
Also, remember that if the original licensee has an issue with it, they can file a DMCA takedown request. The team does process these (I mean they have to, legally, although mods don't).
 
@CodyGray I take it these don't end up escalating?
 
They have to be filed with the company, not with mods.
 
The less mods think about copyright and licenses, the happier they will be.
 
Oh, I see. So you wouldn't necessarily know if they did escalate.
 
Hmm? I interpret "escalate" as being what mods do with flags that need to be handled by staff: we escalate them to staff. Are you using "escalate" in some other way?
If you contact the company directly with a DMCA takedown request, then no escalation is needed. It's already with the right people.
 
11:33 AM
I meant beyond that, to the courts. Have there been disputes like that?
 
I bet that at most, moderators that review a flag like that just reject it and tell them to contact the company.
 
Yeah, you can always file a suit.
@Braiam That's correct. That's actually what we are explicitly told to do by the company.
 
Nobody wants to go to court.
 
These claims need to be investigated carefully. Mods don't have the tools to do that.
 
@CodyGray I didn't care about the MSO "Participation" tab or even knew about my top spot there until you brought it up. But now that I know how important it is to you, I will ... make sure to keep it ;)
 
11:44 AM
@JeanneDark That does appear to be the only sensible response.
 
@JeanneDark I mean where did you expect to be when every meta post that appears you comment with a suggested dupe :p
 
Every question asked on MSO is a dupe ;)
 
Not really related to anything, but does anyone know a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/65947702/… ?
(I mean, obviously it's not like that every questions must have been asked on this site, but it's so basic)
 
12:01 PM
@user202729 maybe the Python room can help you there?
 
Either that, or you and I can finally get around to learning Python so we can find a dupe, @rene.
 
I'm still stuck on that piece of cabbage
 
What should we do with this? From a c++ point of view, I can't help with that question. Should we remove the tag? Is that obvious for the PHP people?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I can't make heads or tails of what that question is asking. Let's just close it. But yeah, it also does not seem to be a C++ question, so removing the tag is reasonable.
 
12:09 PM
@CodyGray I doubt learning Python helps in finding duplicate...
 
It can't hurt. It's easier to find duplicates (at least, correct duplicates) when you understand what the questions are asking.
 
It would be useful to have a code semantic search (like I can type in s=set(b); sum(x in s for x in a) and it will return the answers)
 
@user202729 I've had many occasions where I know I've seen a question with the code I need but I cannot find it because I cannot remember what the variable names are.
 
@user202729 well, SE search don't do non-alphabet chars but this gets close
 
"33,752 results" OK, I'll check them. BRB.
 
12:33 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I wonder how many points they'd get if they just gave the teacher a two-character string
because I do think that is a good solution to the task
 
"Chosen by a fair dice roll; guaranteed to be random"
@JohnDvorak You mean one string with values and another string with suits, then picking a character at random from each string?
 
no no no, %w[A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 J Q K].sample + %w[C D H S].sample
 
Yeah, that's what I meant.
At least, I think so. I don't know what that %w stuff is.
 
%w is an array of strings. But an actual string would work as well.
Ruby strings don't have a sample method though
 
Wasn't it a Java question?
 
12:39 PM
What are you reading? I see a sql question.
 
It was. But the idea's the same
 
@JohnDvorak We may never know. Of course, the canonical solution to this problem is to use enums
 
Actually, if you want to minimize space, you could use lower two bits for the suit and four bits for the value
 
Use an enum and let the compiler do that.
Well, I guess it won't, since it's a major performance pessimization.
You'd have to pack it yourself. But that's why you shouldn't.
 
@JohnDvorak "Premature optimization is the root of all evil" or some-such :D
 
12:42 PM
Premature pessimization? :-)
 
My pessimization is completely mature
always
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels nonono, I am making a $5 electronic box with very low scale integration. Every wire has to be justified.
Yes, I said wire. Not PCB trace. Wire.
And yes, it's running Java anyways.
 
How many wires for the JVM?
 
This question is off-topic, isn't it?
 
a lot
 
12:50 PM
@JeanneDark it smells off-topic to me.
 
Thanks!
 
1:15 PM
Should I tell the duplicate VtCer of this question something? (I mean, I do know meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261561/… , but it doesn't have a reasonable "better question" except for PHP.)
 
1:28 PM
(more context regarding my previous message: the question is an (I think impossible) parse HTML with regex question, and the close voter votes to close it as a duplicate of the famous question.
 
I'm not seeing anything wrong with that closure.
Doesn't it provide the answer to the question, namely that you should not parse HTML with a regular expression, but rather to use an HTML parsing library?
 
The consensus seems to be not to link that question? (meta post above)
Also regarding the Python question above, the issue now is that the question asks for the same thing as the linked question (I posted there as a comment), but most of the answers on the old question are not efficient enough for the new case.
So it can be said that the old one is a duplicate of the new one.
 
I'd hardly call that a consensus.
 
Is there a name for giving a search term and telling others to google it to find a tool? Would you still call that a link-only answer?
 
A link-only answer with no link?
Seems rude more than anything. LMGTFY isn't welcome here.
 
1:42 PM
The case I have in mind looks rather like spam, promoting tools form a specific, small software company.
 
this doesn't quite reach the level of LMGTFY. Just as useless for those who came from Google though.
 
Something like: 'Google "X for Y" tool'
 
Not sure about the details and don't know what to call it, but it certainly seems like there is an obvious solution: delete it.
 
@JeanneDark yeah.. mod flagged one of those.
 
@SurajRao You've seen them, too? I also mod flagged one of them.
 
1:46 PM
@JeanneDark that's spam
 
wasnt sure if it was promotion or just rude
a comment with that would probably be flagged as lmgtfy
 
I think it's spam. I just didn't really know how to describe it in the flag reason.
 
I followed my own advice and deleted them.
 
Hmm. Just out of interest, should a question like this be closed as a duplicate, or as "Seeking Recommendations?" I was thinking of hammering it but the Sacred Moggy beat me to it.
 
2:02 PM
@AdrianMole I think dupe is better (OP gets a link to the list) especially with a hammer. "recommendations" would need 2 more votes.
 
@SurajRao Yeah. But questions "Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more" are off-topic, is not?
 
yes. I thought you were referring to this case.. that dupe target has been discussed in Meta and ita maintained as a community wiki.
 
I was. But, if it's been a Meta discussion, I'll keep shtum here and go read that...
 
Thanks
 
2:10 PM
Almost always better to close as a duplicate when possible, for the reasons Suraj mentioned.
@AlonEitan Don't think that's general computing. It sounds like they're developing a Watch app. Do you read it differently?
 
OK. Just a bit concerned that dupe-closing is sending the wrong signal. I guess that canonical wasn't so much OT, back in the ol' daze.
 
I'm not sure I buy that it's sending the wrong signal.
 
@CodyGray Perhaps I did, can you trash that cv-pls request please?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null after further scrutiny
 
Thanks!
 
2:13 PM
No problem.
When the title starts with an apology, you know you're in for a real treat.
 
Sorry, but can you explain?
 
I also like titles starting with "Question:"
 
Better than the ones starting with "Answer:"
 
Then post the question as an answer? ;)
 
Jeopardy!
 
2:20 PM
Would be funny, but people are not creative enough. Just keep on posting questions as answer.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:13 PM
^ those messages are unrelated.
 
"Please ignore these lines its just to meet stack overflow quality standards."
 
@JeanneDark Props for cleverness at any rate
 
@Machavity Some might consider it abusive (and I kind of agree, although I wouldn't flag it R/A).
 
4:29 PM
@JeanneDark Not saying it's proper, just saying it's clever
 
Unfortunately (for them), this is a moderated site so they are unlikely to get away with it.
 
5:23 PM
is your problem still of actuality ... NAA.
 
Meta said about asking here, as to whether we can reverse the dupe target on this question: I am trying to edit text on canvas
 
5:45 PM
@Pureferret I think you shouldn't have deleted your question on meta. How is this relevant to this room?
 
@WiktorStribiżew the question link URL seems to be borked
 
@sideshowbarker Fixed, it is the first time I was using a bookmarklet, I do not know why but the Tampermonkey script stopped working on my PC :(
 
6:17 PM
@WiktorStribiżew I've had a few userscripts stop on me lately. I'm not really sure why or even when. I just noticed them not working when I was looking for an effect.
I don't know how often it happens, either, because I'm not checking if all userscripts worked every time I load a page.
A reload usually fixes it.
 
In that case the SOCVR might still be a better place to discuss that than here, unless you better clarify the facts about those 2 posts, and what makes one superior over the other. — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 hours ago
I'm going by that
I didn't think this place was where it would be discussed, but I had assumed @πάνταῥεῖ was right to recommend it
I've undeleted by the way
 
There's also a number of javascript experienced folks around here (I am not)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I would call myself JavaScript experienced, but the main issue I had was the closed topic contains example code, and the target just has simplistic explanations and tool recommendations
not something I think you need to be a JS expert for
 
Well, at least the experts may have dupe hammers, which makes the process of reversing dupes a lot easier ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ that's true!
not sure where to find Javascript Gold Badge holders in chat. I have a list of them, but I'm not sure they'd appreciate me superpinging them from an SE chat
 
6:33 PM
@VLAZ Hi VLAZ, I updated the script using the link from Makyen's post at this Github issue and now it works :)
 
Turn it off and off again. If it doesn't work, update it. :)
 
7:11 PM
What am I missing here? I flagged as NAA, review is completed with all 4 reviewers recommending deletion, but the answer is not deleted: stackoverflow.com/a/50185348/4685471
 
@desertnaut Answers with a positive score are not automatically deleted in that situation. Instead, a "Disputed low quality review (auto)" flag is automatically raised in order for a moderator to review the situation.
 
@Makyen I see, thanks
 
np
 
7:53 PM
curiosity question, do moderators have the ability to see when a up/downvote was cast, or at least its relationship with other activities on a post (like before/after a comment was made)?
 
No details on votes for anyone but devs.
 
kk, thanks
 
8:30 PM
@gunr2171 Anyone can determine when an up/downvote was cast on a non-community wiki post by looking at the reputation page for the post owner. The times for up/downvotes are provided to the second. I have not checked if such data is available for community wiki posts. cc @Braiam
The data is also available from the SE API.
 
9:20 PM
@Makyen We can't see full reputation history of another user. The data in SEDE is cleansed and we only have a granularity of 24h
 
@Dharman Then, that's a limitation of SEDE. The data is available to anyone on any user's reputation page and through the SE API. I verified both on other sites prior to posting that message.
 
Ohh, I see. I misread it. You were talking about posts. Then yes. We can see when a vote was cast on a post.
 
Ah, OK. :;
 
9:39 PM
Hi gang, I just asked Dhammeranddeleteeverything if this question should be kept. stackoverflow.com/q/65854005/2943403 My professional opinion is that the dupe provides optimal advice, but the OP disagrees (though I think their rationale is half misunderstanding and half emotional). Any people want to offer their opinion on deletion?
 
Hmm, this could be my new username
 
I know you were considering a change. I don't think it's what you're striving for.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica No, but it should be deleted
 
10:15 PM
@mickmackusa OP specifically asks for a solution which does not involve using MySQL, so I'm more inclined to re-open (since you closed with a dupe which does not answer the question) than to delete.
 
10:29 PM
 
@Dharman Meh - 230 more points before you're entitled to that name. ;-)
 
I like points.
 
Your point being, caller?
 
I like GATs too, and I wish I had them.
 
10:49 PM
@Nick yes, but how many questions have we seen where the OP says "I want to process this dynamic array without looping". SMEs know that this requirement is impossible "under the hood".
The requirement is rooted in misunderstanding. The question that I am referring to should definitely not worth reopening. This is a mega-duplicate question. I merely selected the best one with the best advice that I could find. There are others that demonstrate php processing which you may add to the dupe list.
 
@mickmackusa the question is not a duplicate of the one you closed it with. The one you closed it with is a MySQL solution, and OP specifically asks for a non-MySQL solution. Whether or not doing in MySQL is a better solution is irrelevant, it doesn't answer the question.
 
Please also read the comments under the question and the accepted answer. The OP wants to make the columns flexible based on another table in the database. This makes my dupe moreso an appropriate solution.
I don't subscribe to the BurgerKing (HungryJack's) motto of the customer is always right. I want to give optimal advice to the OP and future researchers.
If I was to post a new answer, it would be "don't do what you are doing -- there is a better way" then repeat the advice from the dupe.
 
@mickmackusa That closure as a duplicate is plain wrong, because it's in the wrong language. And advice goes in comments; please don't use your hammer privileges to give advice.
 
I've read the comments; I actually made some of them when the question was first posted. To use your analogy, if you asked me to get you a burger and I told you that you should eat a salad and gave you one, would you be happy?
 
The OP is using mysql then php. The better/cleaner/more direct approach is pure mysql. Someone has biased the OP away from pure mysql for some reason. This is not a burger vs salad scenario.
@cigien it is not in the wrong language, the OP is already using mysql. The duplicate shows how to use mysql better and remove unnecessary php scripting.
 
11:03 PM
@Nick It's not quite like that. Imagine that someone has a question where they need transportation and describe using a vehicle with four wheels, but they explicitly reject any kind of motor while talking about fuel. Suggesting a car question as a duplicate seems appropriate
In this case they state they're using a DB but they reject any solution using a DB. I can't say mickmack is wrong for suggesting a DB solution without some more details
I suspect they won't add them because they are insistent upon a non-DB solution. Possibly as a class assignment
 
The duplicate page delivers maximum generosity. Not only did I take the time to understand the core requirements, I reviewed many duplicates until I found the one that I truly support (and would personally use professionally). I appreciate the feedback anyhow. Opposing views color my philosophies.
@cigien everytime I use my hammer, I am giving advice. How are you using yours?!?
Closing duplicates is not a punishment of the user, it is a delivery of insight from a trusted volunteer.
 
It appears there may be subtleties here that I've not understood. It not being a subject I'm comfortable with, I won't dispute the closure any further. The burger-salad analogy makes a lot of sense to me, and Machavity's argument that the closure with a ca target would be appropriate seems incorrect. The answer to the OP's question should be, "No, there's not really a way to have a fuel based motor without talking about cars. ..." or something like that. (I know more about food than cars :p)
It's entirely possible that the OP's motivation for restricting themselves to not use MySQL here is silly; it might be for a class assignment. I don't care, and the OP's motives are not criteria we use to judge closures anyway.
Also, closing because one disagrees that the OP should even be trying some approach is problematic (even if that approach is not really a great idea, and there are better approaches to the problem). This particular closure seems strange enough to me that I think I'll ask on Meta.
@mickmackusa I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't use my hammer as a punishment, or to give advice, or to deliver insight. I hammer questions because they have already been asked before. That's the only criterion I use.
 
Why do we argue so much about a single question. Just delete it and be done with it
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@Dharman We are arguing whether the question should be deleted, or even closed for that matter. "Just delete it and be done with it" is completely inappropriate.
 
11:18 PM
I think (sincerely hope) Dharman was joking there :)
 
@cigien Sadly I think you are wrong.
 
I was being facetious a little bit, but in all fairness I don't think there's any reason to waste so much time on single badly written question
I can't see how it is going to help anyone.
 
@Dharman I'm afraid I have to disagree. The purpose is not to resolve this particular question. Almost none of the discussions we have are for that purpose. The idea is to get a better understanding of when and why questions of a similar nature should be closed/deleted/reopened/etc. At least, that's what I take away from the discussions. I agree that any single question would not be worth the effort, if that was the only goal.
 
they have been asked before is not the only criteria for a question to be closed as duplicate. An other criteria is they have they same/similar answer as the target
 
@DoubleExpresso That's interesting. It's not really what I use to decide when closing as duplicate. There are cases (though I can't think of one off the top of my head), where 2 completely different questions happen to have very similar solutions. I wouldn't want to close one question as a duplicate of the other in that case.
 
11:29 PM
Questions don't have to be the same. The answers need to answer both questions.
 
Oh, even if it's coincidental? I wasn't aware of that.
 
By closing as a duplicate, you are providing an answer to the question.
 
Yeah, that does kind of make sense. I'll have to look up some examples to get a better sense of when this is appropriate. Thanks.
 
... which is why unanswered questions can't be used as dupe targets.
 
^ yup and ^^^ yup
 
11:43 PM
Yupping a lot? ^^__^^
 
@Nick Hmm, was that a link to their own webpage? It redirected me to LinkedIn.
 
@cigien Either way, they were asking for "upvotes" or whatever they're called on whatever that site was.
... fluff at best.
 
Right, which is why I edited it out. If it was spam, I wouldn't have. I retracted my TP anyway. Also, I think they're asking for upvotes on the answer, not on their site, which is different.
 
@cigien I didn't click it, I just commented and was in the process of editing it out when your edit posted.
 
@Nick Ah, ok. I only edited it out because it didn't look like spam. BTW, don't bother editing out spam, I don't think there's much point to that.
@AdrianMole Hmm, this argument doesn't seem right. If a question is a dupe, then hammering it with an unanswered target is not allowed. But does that imply that a question can be hammered solely because there are answers on the target that accidentally happen to answer the question? I'm not saying the conclusion is wrong, but the argument seems a bit fallacious to me.
 

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