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12:14 AM
@TylerH Why are we closing a question with 143 votes saying it's useful?
 
12:35 AM
 
1:11 AM
@DanielWiddis Yeah, on balance I'm inclined to agree with you here: I think there's a non-opinion-based question hiding in there. e.g., "Is there a use-case for stash that isn't covered by branches and commits?"
 
@RyanM Yeah, was thinking if it gets closed I'll edit it to be like that, then vote to reopen. Or, the OP can see it's closed and edit it.
Do people lose rep on closed q's or only deleted ones?
 
@DanielWiddis People don't loose rep when a question is closed. They only loose rep when their post is deleted and where the deleted post doesn't qualify for the rep to be kept, which requires a score >=3 and for the post to have been visible on the site for > 60 days.
 
Good to know, thanks. Was searching for that, but you're faster :)
 
@DanielWiddis Yeah, could even try to clarify it while still open. Happy to give thoughts on any edits.
 
Of course, it's also too broad, asking multiple questions which have been multiply answered, so would have to edit all the answers too. Meh.
After searching, it's not easy to find a similar question with similar answers, which I personally find useful, though. I'll think on it.
@RyanM The examples at the docs are actually a high quality answer to the unasked/non-opinion use cases question, though. So I'm leaning toward letting this one be.
 
 
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3:11 AM
@mickmackusa Yes, that's correct. Comments didn't exist in 2008. In general, you can flag those and ask for a moderator to convert to a comment. However, in this case, I don't think it needs to be a comment. It isn't asking for clarification, it's proposing an alternative solution. I've now edited it to make it more clear. I think it is a useful answer, and I think you are veering deeply into a slippery slope fallacy to say that allowing alternative solutions makes the question too broad.
@Makyen You don't need to do this manually... You can just merge the duplicate into the primary question, which will move @wim's answer over.
 
user10957435
Hey, any thoughts on this edit? I'm up in the air about it. On one hand, I see the editor's point. On the other, they edited the code in the question, albeit in a way that doesn't edit out the demonstrated problem.
 
user10957435
Also worth noting that the old code has made it into answers now.
 
user10957435
For instance, look at Remy's answer.
 
@Chipster So fix the answers. That edit changes nothing of substance, and the language wasn't really appropriate.
 
@Chipster I edited that, in accordance with standard Charcoal policy on repairable offensive posts. IMO the standard reasons for editing code in questions don't apply, since the language doesn't change the form or function of the code any more than e.g. a re-indent would.
I'm happy to be persuaded otherwise though.
(Also, it might be worth pointing out that I edited the question before the answers were posted -- presumably the answerers were in the middle of writing their posts)
> In general: does the offensive content directly serve the question being asked? For example, are they asking how to filter that out or parse that kind of text? If so, leave it be. If it has nothing to do with the question being asked, maybe an edit to clean it up might be recommended.
 
user10957435
3:26 AM
@NobodyNada No, I see your point--I almost agreed with you anyway. I'm just usually hesitant to edit code for any reason, even if it would be right to do so. You did nothing wrong.
 
You have to think about why the guidelines exist.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Okay. Done. Thanks.
 
@Chipster fair enough -- I definitely thought twice about it, as we've all had "don't touch code in questions" hammered into our heads pretty hard :)
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Fair point. I noticed it didn't change the problem. I just wanted the advice of more experienced members before I jumped.
 
@NobodyNada The rule really needs to be "don't touch code in questions unless you know what you're doing".
If you don't know what you're doing, or you aren't sure, then don't touch.
 
user10957435
3:30 AM
I have seen examples where people have actually edited the problem out of the code before, which I'm sure is why the rule exists. But obviously that wasn't the case this time, and there was a valid reason to do so.
 
Yeah, @Cody I think I agree with your perspective.
 
user10957435
What happens if you don't know enough to know you don't know what you're doing ;)?
 
@Chipster Someone else has to tell you.
 
user10957435
That makes sense.
 
3:31 AM
@Chipster then you are a programmer who dares -- pat yourself on the back.
 
user10957435
:D
 
@ekad Fixed the screenshot, probably either general computing or no MCVE, but I'm not sure which since I'm not a domain expert
Maybe it's on-topic under "software tools commonly used by programmers"
 
Yeah, I don't know what that tool is, either, or whether it is on-topic. But...if it's on-topic, they're going to need to produce an MCVE, so that's good enough as a close reason.
 
user10957435
I've never heard of directus before, so I don't know.
 
3:40 AM
@CodyGray It might be understandable by someone who knows the tool -- if you add too many of whatever those fields are, then the tool's UI glitches and you can't scroll down far enough to access whatever's under "Spacing"
But that's probably something that would be better as a bug report than a SO question
 
They don't even tell you anywhere in the question itself what the tool is.
 
> Community Support — For help with open-source instances please post questions with the directus tag on Stack Overflow or chat with members of our Slack Community.
 
user10957435
CMS usually isn't necessarily a programming tool, or about programming directly, though there are grey areas. Think of Wordpress as an example. It may or may not have to do with coding. It just depends on what you're doing with it.
 
Then it's not on topic.
 
user10957435
Yeah, looking at the question closer, it doesn't seem to be about coding at all really.
 
3:58 AM
@Dharman I saw your message now..but I guess it's too late
 
 
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5:14 AM
Three years, ~100 views, is this a good sign post? Or, can be made one?
Another one with 5 years, 155 views, and a title unlikely to be seacrhed for
 
No, I don't think so. Those view counts are far too low after all that time, and the answers literally just say eval.
 
:50096738 @CodyGray why is that a TP? (MS link and SO link)
 
@CodyGray There are some other duplicates of that target in the same position, but I guess it'll be harder to convince others to delete them after the big fuss that guy made last night
 
@NobodyNada ah, I saw your MS comment. IMO it's a pretty clear-cut fp from Charcoal's POV, since the post is an attempt at an answer rather than spam or trolling (even though it's a very low-quality answer).
 
5:31 AM
@NobodyNada I grow very tired of explaining/debating this same point over and over. Please see Generic Guidance in the SD FAQ, which says: "In very general terms, the litmus test for whether you should use k or f is this: If SmokeDetector was implemented as a system-level block, would we want to catch this type of activity? If the answer to that question is yes, you should mark the post k."
Attempts to work around the system's built-in quality filters are inherently abusive, and were SD implemented as a system-level block, we would definitely want to catch and block this type of submission.
Any time a post is being filled with gibberish, such as repeated characters or the same sentence copy-pasted over and over, then that's a TP and should be blocked outright. End of story.
The users posting these kinds of things know what they're doing. The system blocks their submission of the post outright at first, and they have to manually devise an abusive workaround for it. They know that they are abusing the system, and we have no obligation to let them continue nor to give the benefit of the doubt.
@oguzismail Fun fact: I agree with those who claimed that the previous post shouldn't be deleted.
 
5:47 AM
And I disagree. There is no point in having the same discussion all over again though. I'll wait, for a couple years if needed, and if that post doesn't get enough views I'll make another request. If the guy just moved his answer to the dupe target, I'd just leave it alone
 
@CodyGray I've been in similar discussions a few times in Charcoal and I personally disagree with that reasoning. In my opinion “system-level block” in the context of SmokeDetector means something closer to SpamRam than the quality filter. Charcoal is focused specifically on spam and trolling, and IMO Smokey is the wrong tool for the job when it comes to simple low-quality content.
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 1 '18 at 3:47, by NobodyNada
There's a process for dealing with low-quality questions, and that's the close vote/flag system. There's a different process for dealing with spam/abusive posts; red-flags are what we're concerned about in Charcoal. If we blur the lines between spam and VLQ, we're 1) misusing spam flags as a chat room to delete non-spam content, and 2) ruining the quality and usefulness of our feedback.
When it comes to classifying posts as “abusive,” in my opinion it all depends on whether the user is attempting to make a positive contribution or intentionally trying to be annoying and disruptive. IMO this case appears to be the former; at the very least, Google says BunifuElipse is a library to draw rounded rectangles on Windows, so at least it’s an attempt at a positive contribution even if it is VLQ.
Of course, this is all just my opinion. I am not a Charcoal admin, and I can not and do not speak for the Charcoal project as a whole. Other Charcoalers have disagreed with me on this in the past, however to the best of my understanding I believe my opinion largely reflects Charcoal consensus.
 
This isn't VLQ. It's red-flaggable. Rude/abusive.
Judging intent is a dangerous, impossible game, but even if you want to, I already explained why there's no good-faith attempt involved here, since the user is demonstrably actively trying to work around the site's built-in restrictions.
"at the very least, Google says BunifuElipse is a library to draw rounded rectangles on Windows, so at least it’s an attempt at a positive contribution even if it is VLQ." Note that you could make this very same argument for relevant spam. No one on the Charcoal project seems to want to make that argument, though.
 
@CodyGray if it's relevant spam, we usually leave a comment and either a single spam flag or a custom mod flag instead of nuking it on the spot, until it becomes obvious the user is acting in bad faith
 
@NobodyNada That has not been anywhere close to my experience, nor does it match with what I've been told by multiple Charcoal members, who have been extremely hostile in telling me that I was "doing it wrong" when I marked what I considered to be highly relevant spam as a FP.
 
@CodyGray sorry, I totally spaced and conflated tps with nuking. We pretty much always mark undisclosed affiliation as a tp on a first incidence -- even though we don't nuke it from orbit -- because it does meet the Stack Exchange definition of spam "does not disclose the author's affiliation."
 
5:57 AM
Also... I don't know what you think it accomplishes to use "a single spam flag". That just dumps the decision into a moderator's lap, which is fine as far as it goes, but ultimately some decision is going to be made, and that decision is going to be reflected in the SD feedback.
 
@CodyGray AFAIK the idea is generally to bring the situation to moderator awareness, without necessarily unilaterally deleting it right away
 
Which is fine, but it isn't clear what that has to do with the feedback that is given.
Ultimately, a moderator is going to come make a decision about it. When I am that moderator, I tend to provide my final decision as feedback.
Presumably, there's a reason you entrusted a moderator to look at it anyway, either because we have more experience, or because we have access to more information, or because we understand the rules better, or just because the buck has to stop with someone.
 
@CodyGray That's a fair argument -- but I personally feel a little uncomfortable using "abusive" in that way (after all, the wording was previously "offensive"). That being said, you're the mod -- in the end it's your call, and I can and will respect that.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective, and I'm sorry to drag you into a discussion you've been in too many times already.
 
@NobodyNada Surely you've seen all the posts on Meta establishing and defending that interpretation of "abusive", right? Including the one by Undo and by Shog9?
 
Hi,I wrote a question few months ago, that time I didnt understand stackoverflow much, I though -1 means delete the question.
Recently I learnt about it and so I wrote a new question in its place but community deleted it
why so, it wasn't answered at that time . It's a totally new question. Does does a question matters if it is not answered and it is totally changed to a new one?
 
6:12 AM
@VisheshMangla A downvote doesn't mean "delete the question". It means that someone, somewhere thought that there was something about the question that could be improved. Perhaps it was unclear, did not show evidence of sufficient research effort, and/or did not appear to be a useful contribution to our knowledge base.
 
Like I said I did not understand it before. I know this now
 
@VisheshMangla The question you linked to was deleted by an automatic process, as part of the "RemoveDeadQuestions" cleanup. You can find a description of this in the Help Center: stackoverflow.com/help/roomba
 
oh,
so what's the way now?
 
@VisheshMangla You should never change a question so much that its meaning is completely changed. If you're doing that, then you should be asking a new question.
 
oh wait, I have few 0 votes unanswered questions
I can remake them
how does it matter if it's not answered or downvoted in a month
 
6:14 AM
No activity on a question in a month suggests that it's not a useful contribution to the site.
 
hmm, ok
 
@CodyGray Undo's post (as I read it) states that the R/A flag is applicable because the user is intentionally trolling/being annoying, while Shog's talks specifically about posts with "no meaningful content" at all.
I actually would have agreed with you on this a few years ago; I became more conservative with R/A flags after ArtOfCode stated R/A was unacceptable on this post.
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Oct 19 '16 at 23:50, by ArtOfCode
The definition of 'nonsense' that's being used here is getting to be too weak. Nonsense is cat-across-keyboard, or it's totally nonsensical. Things that are a majority of English sentences are not nonsense, and shouldn't be getting red-flagged.
 
One thing you'll notice is that moderators of smaller sites have a lot greater tolerance for nonsense than Stack Overflow moderators.
 
@CodyGray ah, that's understandable :)
 
They'll spend a considerable amount of time polishing turds into something slightly better. SO mods will just delete the entire thing.
They'll spend time editing posts, reaching out to users, leaving comments, etc., when an SO mod would just nuke the account.
When you're desperate for more content, you'll do anything you can to salvage it. When you are drowning in garbage, you'll do anything you can to get rid of more garbage.
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For what it's worth, I fundamentally disagree. This is nonsense.
It isn't even intelligible. It doesn't meet the minimum standard that we have for Stack Exchange sites. What is "ASCPEE"? Why didn't you turn off your caps lock key? You were only typing a handful of characters; couldn't you have been bothered to at least put spaces in the right places?
If we had an automated system to block that kind of garbage, everyone's life would be a whole lot better.
 
6:21 AM
@CodyGray several years after the fact I finally realized it was supposed to say "colonoscopy"
In which case it's definitely R/A
 
@VisheshMangla Um, you completely changed the question there, too.
Why are you undeleting old questions and completely changing the question?
That is creating a giant mess.
 
because I have a bunch of deleted questions and question ban
 
@VisheshMangla Changing your questions into something different is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing.
That's just working around your question ban.
If I had noticed that before you came in here, I would have suspended your account.
 
what??
so what should be done?
those questions were old
I don't have that problem now
or I just ignored past those problem and took some other way to solve them
 
6:25 AM
When we say "improve your existing questions", we don't mean to replace them with something else. When a question ban is in effect on your account, it means you've lost the privilege of asking new questions. Rewriting your old questions to be new questions is an abuse of the system, a way of gaining a privilege that you aren't supposed to have (i.e., the privilege to ask new questions).
It doesn't matter whether or not you have the problem now. Stack Overflow is not a help desk. Our goal is not to help you with a problem.
 
but the goal is to have good questions here which people would generally google
 
The point of the site, as explained in the tour, is to build a knowledge base of questions and answers that are useful to others in the future. Just because you aren't having a problem doesn't mean that others won't have that problem in the future.
 
that can be it, but some questions were duplicates
 
@VisheshMangla Yes. Changing your question into something else than it originally was interferes with that.
@VisheshMangla Yes, again, so those questions get closed as duplicates, and then they serve as signposts to the main question.
 
hmm,
ok, thanks for the info, so what's the way now, w8 for 6 months
?
 
6:29 AM
Improve your existing questions isn't clear enough?
 
Those questions are related to frameworks. I don't know how to improve them. They are heavily coupled and can't be made better to give MVCE.
hmm, ok.
 
I cannot understand why that would be true. You can certainly give an MCVE for questions about frameworks. But if it is true, then I guess you are just out of luck.
Maybe someone else can help suggest how to improve your questions.
That is something you could ask about on Meta Stack Overflow.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/61793832/… this question hasnt been deleted but was answered in the comments. So what should be done about it.
it was a bad one though but absolute beginner level
 
6:45 AM
Beginner level questions are still on-topic. The problem with that one appears to be that there is no example of what code you're trying that is failing. There's nothing that allows others to reproduce the problem.
If it's answered in comments, then you should post an answer of your own, giving credit to the person who posted the original comment.
 
plz see the comments
oh ok
I didn't know that, thanks for that info
 
I can't give you any other specific advice on how to improve that question, as it's far outside of my programming expertise.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/61330225/… if you see in this question, I had understood something wrong from the docs. @musicamante explained me a lot in the comments but he didn't post an answer and now this too has been deleted. Many of my questions are like this
 
So, again, that doesn't look like a minimal, verifiable example. That looks like an awful lot of code. It also looks like there are major formatting problems there, with stuff that should be plain text formatted as code in the middle of the code blocks.
Many users won't post proper answers to questions that they expect to be closed, and that one definitely looked like the type of question that would be closed here.
 
@oguzismail For views, the only actual datapoint we have as to what SE feels is a viable number of views is what the Roomba uses as its views criteria for the 365-day RemoveAbandonedQuestions task. That criteria is that if view count > the age of the question in days times 1.5, then the Roomba won't delete a zero scored question with no answers.
As to the ~100 views in 3 years, I agree with Cody that that number of views does not indicate a good signpost.
 
7:00 AM
@CodeGray , I can agree about formatting since I did not know about autopep8 extension at that time. If you talk about mvce with this code, the error contains no hint that run function is not implemented. If I w'd have know which part of the code has errors, then I would have posted error logs and only that part of code. I think this error was given in a windows popup.
 
I don't know what this "autopep8" extension is. I certainly don't use it, and I have no trouble formatting my posts where they are readable. The preview pane helps a lot.
 
no worries , I recently saw black playground which can format code well. Problem is how to detect MVCE in such questions.
the error is a gui error
 
8:00 AM
I don't know python, but this seems to be lacking some details. I'd make a request, but I'm not sure.
 
8:12 AM
@CodyGray I tried to clear that up a bit in the relevant meta post although the language could probably made stronger if that was desired.
 
@RyanM Hmm, my only concern is that you lost the parallelism with the guidance following "Add indentation".
 
@CodyGray IMHO that's desirable: People should be much less hesitant to fix indentation (at least outside of python) than virtually any other change to code in questions.
 
Fair enough
 
@RyanM I meant to post a meta post about this. To put those two into "Don't" like they were in revision 7.
There was a discussion here where one user opposed it, so I assumed meta was the only way to go. I didn't prepare a post though.
 
@Scratte I'd upvote that meta post. I went for a compromise here ("do...if" instead of "don't...unless") but I'd support putting them back to "don't" as well.
 
8:24 AM
Not sure if it really makes a difference what color we paint the "do...if...unless...don't" bikeshed
 
Yes, lots of users here are against it being in the "Do", which is why I meant to create a meta post about it. I felt like just one user created policy out of a whim, and refused to let it back into "Don't".
I feel that it's better default Don't.. than default Do.
 
It was changed unilaterally in the first place, so I changed it again to reflect something a bit closer to what appears to be the consensus of many people. If they feel strongly, they could change it back or make a meta post to get more input.
 
8:57 AM
\o
 
9:27 AM
:-( Looks like something that should be approved.
 
not at the cost of a reopen queue opportunity though
 
@CodyGray It's kind of a meh edit overall, but I wouldn't reject it on a non-closed question because... yeah, that ^
 
It would be a good edit ... on a good question
 
Yep
As long as non-OP edits submit to reopen queue, it doesn't make sense to approve those on closed questions and deny the OP an opportunity to fix their question
 
Well, and it doesn't remove "please help" and "thanks".
 
9:32 AM
And really, they shouldn't... or maybe they should on OP's discretion
... that too. They should be removed, not just uncodeblocked.
 
My IP rate limit/request throttle has finally lifted!
I can do stuff again!
 
Fortunately, I voted to close this one, so I can fix those issues without a reopen queue submission...(and I just did)
 
Next Meta question: this guy rejected my edit and then stole its changes for his own gain!
 
ha... I did try to explain myself in the edit summary ("an edit making similar changes was rejected to prevent this question from entering the reopen queue before the asker can edit it")
 
οh, so editing a question as a close voter does not push it to the reopen queue?
 
9:38 AM
I believe anyone who flagged or voted to closed the question will not push it to the reopen queue with an edit alone.
 
That's good to know, until now I always refrained from editing questions which I had previously flagged
 
9:53 AM
.... what happened to the LQP queue?!
We need more NAAs
 
@janw Just post "we need more items in the LQP queue" as an answer to a question, and I guarantee there will soon be more items in the LQP queue
 
:D
I just flagged 4 NAAs from SOBotics, and they kind of got instant-deleted
 
@janw The mod flag queue is empty. In that case, mods will snipe NAA and VLQ flags before the community has a chance to review them.
 
Solution: flag more voting rings
 
Leading inexorably to a bunch of "why was this flag declined?"
 
9:58 AM
or plagiarism, those take a while to handle
 
Or pointless comments posted in the course of an H&I edit...
 
I may have flagged ...a lot... of those...
I should write a meta question complaining about the UI but I've been too lazy
 
I'm 99% sure there is a bug report about it already.
Yes, this and this. I've escalated the former to CMs. Still awaiting a response...
 
My personal UI suggestion would be that if they really want comments, they should have two boxes, one for advice and one for the edit summary
With only the edit summary being mandatory
 
We don't need more comments.
The edit summary should just explain what was done and why. That's sufficiently instructive.
 
10:05 AM
hides hundreds of advice comments
Really though some of these posters could use advice, it's just not what a lot of the edit summaries that get posted actually are
 
So having an optional spot for advice like "you should include your logcat logs" or whatever would be useful
(disclaimer: this may already exist, I don't use that queue)
 
@RyanM We have a spot for that advice. You'll find it under flag -> needs improvement -> a community-specific reason -> needs debugging details.
The advantages include: (1) less work for you, (2) fewer noisy comments, (3) less work for me, and (4) if not a single other person agrees with you, then your opinion silently becomes irrelevant.
 
hmmm, what to do with this one... stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26831630 It copies code from an external site, but also substantially adds to it and it seems a shame to just reject...
 
You have to reject.
It's the law.
 
It does cite it, though...
 
This is also mentioned in the canonical FAQ on NAA. (Disclaimer: I may or may not have had something to do with that.)
 
11:29 AM
 
@CodyGray While changing the license without permission isn't bueno, the copyright law allows fair use.
 
@Braiam It's not fair use, though.
 
Also, didn't management told moderators to steer clear from enforcing or trying to prevent copyright violations?
 
Why would they care what management thinks? Are they paid?
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11:45 AM
Wait...does that imply you're supposed to care what management thinks when you're paid? Why didn't someone tell me?
 
11:55 AM
Hmm - "management" and "thinks" ... there's a strange juxtaposition of words.
 
Wwll you know now?, are we still in time? Or too late...
 
@CodyGray Sometimes, people are happy to adopt other people's opinions when they are paid enough to do so :=/
 
@halfer This doesn't really work for me.
 
Hmm.. what to do with this Answer?
 
@Scratte The same thing you'd do if someone showed up to a professional conference and screamed "Wow, you professionals", then laughed loudly/sinisterly, and continued "Maybe you can't sort physics...". You'd show them the door.
 
12:07 PM
Well.. I figured it may be editable :)
 
"Wow, you editors..."
 
@Scratte You weren't alone. I was just pondering the same thing.
But guessed that they might roll back any changes anyway, based on the attitude
 
@DavidBuck I had to Skip it.. since "No action Needed" would have been corrected when it was already deleted. But.. it would be tricky to see it on my review history.
 
@PetterFriberg On copyright issues, yes, that thing is too messy on US
 
@Scratte I considered that. But then you'd be left with an answer saying to use Array.Sort plus some unclear ramblings with a link. I...don't think that'd be an improvement, really.
 
12:11 PM
I think I'm a bit lucky. I have no idea what unity3d even is.
 
Yeah, then there's the fact that it has nothing to do with the question.
@AdrianMole The revision history of this message is terribly amusing.
 
hehe yuw woy, innit.
 
Sure, you can use floating-point for money. If it's good enough for Excel, it's good enough for me. The secret is just to round after every operation.
 
@CodyGray Huh? What's the point then?
 
Wasn't there a story/movie about a programmer for a bank who kept all the 'lost' half cents?
 
12:19 PM
@Scratte is that a pun?
 
@AdrianMole Isn't that "The office"?. There's a guy there that claims the printer is broken. Only he's very impatient and pulls the print out of the printer by force, while it's still printing..
 
Truthfully, storing currency as an integer doesn't work. What happens when you need to multiply a dollar amount by an APR? You're having to go back to floating-point anyway, and you're paying the price of an expensive and slow conversion.
 
Rumor has it that banks always round(charge,2)
 
C# has the wonderful 'decimal' type. That's not at all slow, is it? [/sarcasm]
 
I actually don't know how C#'s decimal is implemented. Probably fixed-point.
 
12:27 PM
@AdrianMole I think it's Office Space
@TheMaster It's normally [tag:cv-pls] :)
 
@Scratte That could be a remake. The movie I was thinking about dates back to the 1950s or 60s.
 
@Scratte Thanks
 
It's called "salami slicing"...
 
@AdrianMole I thought you were a little bit younger ;)
 
It's what Richard Pryor's character did in Superman III
But that movie didn't invent it. The apocryphal story has been around much longer than that.
 
12:32 PM
Is that Old Testament Apocrypha, or NT?
 
Must be Old Testament. Jesus chased the money-changers right on out.
 
Hehe. Didn't he just!
 
Does anyone else think it's hilarious that we get nearly equal numbers of complaints that this site doesn't allow "simple" questions and that it doesn't allow "complex" questions?
How can those both be true?
 
@CodyGray Because all the simple and complex ones are closed. Only the middle ones get to stay.
Heh.. just reviewed a Question that only has this one tag:
 
@Scratte That one wasn't complex enough.
 
12:39 PM
Are you stalking my reviews? :)
 
I know what, let's start closing all the middle questions!
Correction: Let's close all the middle questions younger than 6 months since last activity!
 
@JohnDvorak I think we just need to remove all debug Questions that doesn't have a good title for the error.
"Why does my code not print the fruit?" <-- no array :)
 
@Scratte You mentioned it. Hardly stalking.
 
@CodyGray But how did you find it?
 
@TheMaster Out of close votes already?
@Scratte Clicked on the tag. First one in the list.
There are other ways, but that was a heckuva lot faster.
 
12:45 PM
@CodyGray I didn't realize that it actually linked to the tags. Awesome :)
 
@Scratte Give me the raisin for this happening a melon times durian my pear programming!
 
@CodyGray No. Sorry. I thought I made a close vote. Proly missed it.
 
:) I'm out of apples.. and oranges. No bananas either. I think I need to go outside..
 
@CodyGray Most people do it. I don't, and you don't - this is good. Perhaps we're the radicals.
 
Why does my Raspberry give me no toasts?
Better yet: trouble producing toasts on ice cream sandwich
 
12:56 PM
Can't get Ice Cream Sandwich to send toasts to Raspberry Pi
 
Cookies are so old news?
 
Orange you going to join us, @rene?
 
Right. These days you make toasts on jelly beans, kit kats, marshmallows...
 
I thought rene was yellow and white on a green background.
 
12:57 PM
nougats, oreos...
pretzels?
 
Is this the Seasoned Advice Chat room?
 
I donut think so
 
Apparently they switched to numbering when they realized they couldn't find a dessert beginning with the letter Q.
Neither quesadillas nor quiches were good enough for them.
Maybe Quiche would get too easily confused with Pie?
 
Quince?
 
What's wrong with "Quiche Lorraine"?
 
I'd go with quiche
 
Should have just gone with Android Quirks.
 
I don't understand why they didn't just invent one.
 
diversify into the culinary business just so that you can keep on with your naming shtick? Why not.
 
Quilsap <-- the sweetest dessert ever.
 
1:07 PM
What is it made with?
@AndrewT. Those answers apparently aren't specific enough (?)
 
@CodyGray No idea. I just made it up. I imagine a mix of kaki fruit, vanilla, some chocolate and syrup.
 
@CodyGray the given answers are the same as this answer on the dupe, so I don't know what is not specific enough.
I've fought with Gradle and Java & Android many times and I'm sure that's the answer...
 
Rule #37: Any pronounceable sequence of characters is already a Twitch handle of some e-sportsman you've never heard of.
 
@JohnDvorak It probably helps that I haven't heard of any of them.
 
It's disheartening to see a question tagged with javascript code and the OP says they use java.
 
Script is actually silent in JavaScript
 
1:47 PM
That means less bad Questions is the Java tag, no? :)
I just found a Question that's off-topic for 4 reasons :) Well.. 5 if one want's to be nitpicking :)
 
@Scratte That's nothing special ;)
 
@JeanneDark Saw that yesterday myself, as I was deleting comments.
 
@JeanneDark I don't come across those often. I was a little surprised. It even mentions "ergonimic Wiki". No idea what that is.
I wouldn't even know what an "ergonomic wiki" would be.
 
1:53 PM
lol!.. do not think that's the same :D
 
> However, it is possible to stand, or even walk, while using a computer.
Wikipedia is great. Why do I keep comparing us to Wikipedia? :-\
 
@CodyGray It is. I've seen a person use a treadmill while working at their desk.
A Question asking us to find something on a website, like an URL for streaming, is off-topic as what?
 
at least it's not a medical question
 
@JeanneDark lol! Good one :)
 
Looks like all "real" NAAs are deleted by mods, and the "okay" ones end up in the LQP queue :D
Tons of code-only, but still answers
 
2:05 PM
There should be nothing in the queue right now
 
There are, I just reviewed 7x"Looks OK"
 
Oh, there is... Just nothing that has been flagged.
So yeah, your assessment is accurate. Everything flaggable already got dealt with by mods, who handle flags. :-)
 
@Scratte Like this Question. I don't even know what to tell them.
 
@Scratte Tell them it's not programming-related.
 
Now we only need to achieve the same for the close vote queue... ;)
 
2:11 PM
@CodyGray Oh. I thought finding stuff in code was.
 
Yeah, that one hour NAA delay is weird. Mod queue is 0 but there's still NAAs for review
 
So, moderators going into the Low Quality Posts for NAAs would be.. cheating? :)
 
Heh. We still get binding votes in the queues, we just generally don't go trolling for more things to do. Or review audits
 
Why not? (just curious)
 
@Scratte They don't appear to be finding anything in code.
Oh, hmm. I guess they're trying to parse JavaScript? I don't see any JS.
@Machavity It's because they're not flagged. (And/or you didn't check "ignore time filter").
 
2:18 PM
Ah. There hasn't been much reason to uncheck that before now
 
Hahaha, no.
 
@CodyGray Well.. they want to, but they cannot find out how to find out what the url is :) So they asked us..
 
It still makes no sense to me.
 
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it would be the same as if you want to get the stream for a youtube video. Not that I ever tried to.
 
Yes, it's the same. If you asked a poor-quality, unclear question about that, it would also get nuked.
 
2:33 PM
Oh. Right. I was mistaken about what didn't make sense to you. Sorry.
 
2:56 PM
Is this falls under general computing hardware and software?
 
4:01 PM
Considering question bans, is there any difference considering which close reason is used?
 
@Andreas No.
 
mhm, ok.
 
@Andreas Don't ask 35 duplicate Questions :)
 
<•>_<•>
 
@Andreas why do you think this is too broad (which translates nowadays to needs more focus)?
 
4:08 PM
@Vickel It really seems so from the last paragraph.
If you disagree, I can have an RO remove the request.
I wasn’t 100% sure when I posted it.
It seemed like a «give me the more code» question.
 
the last sentence is poor, but the real problem is described in the 1st sentence, I just would edit the last sentence
 
You should edit the question then, if you have an idea for a good rewrite.
Do you want to me an RO to retract the cv-pls?
 
@Andreas yes, I think so
 
Oki.
@CodyGray Can you remove this?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (upon request)
 
4:14 PM
Thanks.
 
Fun fact: I am not a RO. :-)
 
I know. :)
 
Have buttons; will press
 
Wait, you're not the room moderator? ;)
 
Just keeping the seat warm
 
4:18 PM
👓🤜🗞🗑
 
So much blu
 
4:43 PM
@E_net4explains You can make them colourful :)
 
I can make it better
 
I don't understand why some people never address all the concerns with a Question. It's like if there are 4 things wrong with it, one has to put it in 4 separate comments :D
 
This tag looks pretty meta to me:
Ask for burnination, or is it unlikely that there will be a follow-up on this?
 
@janw I disagree.
 
4:59 PM
Well, what does it add? There are lots of possible ways to do a "migration", like from .NET Framework to .NET Core, Python 2 to Python 3, ...I don't think we want a tag for each of them. Or am I missing some important point here?
 
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