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5:30 AM
@tink uhhh, not sure what this was in response to?
 
@tripleee - you commented on a VLQ post that I had asked for CVs for =} that it might actually be programming related after all
 
@tink oh, thanks for following up ... it was impossible to find in the chat transcript while I was on mobile but now I see this
 
@tripleee That's the one. And welcome; common courtesy, I think ;)
 
6:01 AM
 
6:31 AM
@tripleee related to this question...what's the about? Is there such a thing or is it a misspelled ?
 
probably a typo in the vast majority of cases but I dimly recall there is a JSON library for some platform by that name
no tag description but it has 205 watchers so I'm guessing it's real
 
There is a total of 10 questions, though and most seem to be misspelled...
 
Hi guys
 
github.com/michalmuskala/jason says Elixir so the ones with both tags are probably legit
 
Sorry this may be off topic, but I want to copy the whole numerics data from an excel fle
without copying the word columns present (the headings)
 
6:34 AM
@BAYMAX definitely not suitable for this room
 
Yes but I am not aware of where to ask this in SE?
 
@VLAZ Jason is to JSON is what mysql is to mysqli ... you could guess it was PHP after all ...
@BAYMAX try Superuser.com
 
oh ok, thank you
 
@BAYMAX doesn't even sound like a programming question so probably look for general computing
 
ok
 
6:38 AM
There also seems to be a completely unrelated library for agents: jason.sourceforge.net/wp
 
no questions about that here though
 
oh I missed that
 
Also, no idea about this one - it might or might not just be JSON. Or might not need the tag at all.
@tripleee :D you're more efficient than I am. Any time I try to retag a question, you're on top of it.
 
the sample data certainly looks like JSON there
hope we have them all covered now ... just not clear what to do with the tag description; the Elixir library certainly seems to be the more popular of the two in terms of Google rank
 
6:47 AM
So, after the retaggening, there are 3 questions left... one for the agents, one for the Elexir library and the final one is the one with a cv-pls. It's most likely about JSON but there is literally no context for anything.
 
yeah, I figured it's going to be roomba'd soon enough anyway so not worth editing
 
I support that.
Seems on SO we're split 50/50 on the usage...
 
the Java one is significantly older but again, it seems extremely obscure and is less likely to receive future questions (though I'm by no means a competent prophet, or familiar enough with either of these domains to hope to make educated guesses)
 
We should mandate all libraries get globally unique names. That would solve these clashes.
 
pip install 06f594e1-370a-4ab9-82de-836d3399a03b
 
6:52 AM
"I am trying to use the someMethod in acd80419-152d-4f98-826c-427b970af216 but it's throwing an error"
 
globally unique method names would be nice too
 
Javascript has a solution for that :D
 
Not needed, since you can have a complex key for them - library + class/module + name.
 
and errors! (Though Windows has already pioneered that)=
 
Doesn't Windows just define 3 errors? It certainly seems so whenever I search their error codes, it's a generic "Something went wrong" every time. You don't need many of those to describe every error possible.
 
6:55 AM
only one category means it's easy to identify everywhere!
 
@VLAZ Maybe it is just one error, that gets renamed between versions. I do know that Windows 3.0 -> Windows 3.1 was advertized as "No more Unhandled Application Errors!" and they were right as in 3.1 they were called "General Protection Fault"
 
 
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Quick query: a user posted a private key in a question. That was edited out. I custom mod flagged for the revision to be deleted. That was correct, right? IIRC mods can delete revisions.
 
@VLAZ yes, that is called redaction
 
Thanks, after I posted the flag, I immediately doubted if that was OK or not.
 
@rene thanks again. I guess I'll have to monitor that flag to see if it was correct or not and adjust myself accordingly in the future.
 
9:21 AM
^^^No repro, because getDay() was used instead of getDate()
 
 
9:51 AM
Do we need the dupe target in the CV Request?
 
@xdtTransform No; that should be self-evident since you (presumably) already flagged or VTCed and thus the comment with target it on the question
 
@xdtTransform not if it's already properly nominated in the question itself
 
10:29 AM
 
10:45 AM
@xdtTransform If you're out of close votes/flags and want a CV-PLS for a dupe, then it's probably best to add a comment in the question, like: "Possible duplicate of {link}" so that anyone coming across it will be able to make the decision more easily.
... otherwise, as tripleee and Adriaan have said, it will be clear to anyone who opens the close dialog.
 
^ will roomba eventually anyway, but that junk NAA could deserve some delete votes
 
Heck, I had just cv-pls'd that.
These junk posters are too fast and we're too slow.
 
I was going to remark the opposite, I've seen several off-topic posts today get closed within one minute or two of initial posting
@tripleee OP clarifies that this is an off-site resource request, not general computing /-:
 
11:27 AM
all of this user's posts were deleted but perhaps someone who knows more about this topic (cytoscape.js) could use this as a good indication of possible duplicates metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/spammers/209019
 
@quamrana that user has been nuked by a mod. We can't reopen it
 
@quamrana you have to repost the question yourself then as the OP deleted their account.
 
@Scratte to continue this discussion without resulting in a lengthy comment section: reading 80 pages is very much not the standard I'd say. A good reference to point to, sure, but most people that are new on the site just want to "ask their question, get an answer, no distractions".
So having a better sourced reference somewhere, even in the form of an 80 page document, is a good idea IMO, but somehow using that (even when not required) as a tutorial isn't going to work I think
 
@Adriaan Oh yes. That they do :) But I wasn't of the impression that this was to ease the inclusion of those users, but to the ones that want to know it all. In all fairness the document could be sectioned as well, so the "quick-help-pls" can get instruction on the first 10 pages :) The ones that don't even go through the tour cannot really be helped, I think.
 
11:44 AM
Quick question: Those of you that are well versed in dupe on C# + Json tags may have notice that Json2csharp website is dead. Meaning that Duplicate are now a bit more rampant as cannonicals answers used this web site. I have already faced site that goes down , but it was switch for a malicious one so the action was clear, fire at sight. But in this case: Website simply gone, Do I have to update cannonical to offer a free alternative Site for Json to CSharp class convertion?
 
@xdtTransform I think that is preferable. Are you sure it is gone forever, not just temporary and/or local to your network?
@xdtTransform you are looking at this one: stackoverflow.com/a/21611680/578411 ?
 
12:06 PM
Morning
 
o/
 
"cannonical" is when a canonical goes ballistic
 
See this comment technically he's right. Point though is that I don't think that 25,000 characters is necessary, but am not going to reduce it myself...
 
@Machavity wow, it's not only orders of magnitude off but also it's using the wrong units... "45 mm" should have been "0.45 in"
 
12:13 PM
@rene , Well it's gone. And Author don't answers on twitter or personal mail for ~2 month.
 
357mm is like 14 inches. Good luck hefting the shell, let alone firing it
 
@rene , that's a good edit rules. Just striking the not avaidable one.
 
@VLAZ They are being progressive. I like it. You just need to upgrade your gun hardware.
 
@Machavity or 35.7cm ;)
 
, well 356 is legit naval cannon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOC_14-inch_45-calibre_naval_gun#/media/File:Almirante_Latorre_forward_guns.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_naval_guns_by_caliber
 
12:16 PM
@Machavity it's also bigger than my spread palm. I'd hazard a guess that most other people's too, as my palm is fairly big at around 25 cm (thumb to pinkie)
 
@Adriaan It's a beach ball
 
@Georgy active 13 months ago?
 
@Adriaan Ups! Deleting.
 
Now, 357 cm...
> Can you name the truck with four wheel drive,
> smells like a steak and seats thirty-five..
> Canyonero! Canyonero!
 
, 357 cm, Get your best cowboy hat and ride it Dr. Strangelove style.
When the light comes out smile for the picture. You have made it into history.
B-52 not included
 
2:05 PM
@AsteroidsWithWings Look like a spam seed
 
2:16 PM
@Vega ok have flagged
@SotiriosDelimanolis dunno, looks answerable (has been answered!) and the "cooler" phrase isn't in the question itself
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis question has now been edited into an objective one
 
2:47 PM
The link doesn't seem to be the official site (Adobe's). But I didn't click
 
@Vega I would just closed and delete the question.
It isn't about programming.
 
@Braiam You are right :)
 
So... can I ignore that flag then?
 
@Catija what flag?
also, o/
 
We flagged to surrender ...
If I flagged something in error ... sorry ...
 
@NathanOliver Hiya :D Someone flagged one of the requests in here but it was moved to the graveyard, so I'm assuming I can ignore the flag. :D For whoever that was, in future, flags are probably not the best avenue - I'm guessing just replying to your message saying it should be ignored is the better option? Do y'all have a policy for that?
 
Room policy is to ask an RO to move the post, not mod flag, but I need to check and see if we actually have the in the FAQ
 
3:34 PM
@Catija (If you're like ... but, wait, I can't reply to my own messages!!! that's crazy talk... Well... you can but it takes a bit of effort)
@NathanOliver Cool :D No worries, either way.
 
We actually have a user script to let you self ping
 
Why am I not surprised.... does it work on all three chat servers?
Because, if so... give it! :P
 
@Catija Yes it does.
 
Now, can I remember which user script it is...
 
@Catija Formal requests should take the form: "gimme teh {script} plz"
5
 
3:38 PM
@NathanOliver I scanned twice, it is not
 
@NathanOliver here is a CR question about it codereview.stackexchange.com/q/115464/41686
 
@AdrianMole Since I'm a CM do I get to sudo it?
 
@rene That was my conclusion.
 
hehe
 
3:44 PM
Ok, so the code that lets you self ping that we have is in here, but I have no idea where in there it is.
 
@NathanOliver looks like it's here
 
Of course it's at the end ;)
 
@NathanOliver Rule 29: no mod flags please is added to the FAQ.
10
 
Sweet thanks.
 
@rene There's a typo in Rule 29 (acrosd).
... was.
 
3:55 PM
that gets fixed as I type ...
 
@rene Ping a Room Owner :P
 
It needs 6 to 8 weeks to mature into awesome text
Rule 30: As a moderator, don't get confused for anyone ignoring rule 29.
 
@rene I like the warning about not spam flagging it. :D
 
Yeah, I've learned to be complete and precise. Don't ask ...
 
I've already said my piece on that one
cough cough
 
4:07 PM
Can someone explain what is a "WHYTO"? I can understand a HOWTO but WHYTO?
 
it is a guide explaining why you want to do something a particular way instead of another way?
 
Why you should do something? "This doesn't make sense to me, so I'm not going to do what you're asking."... is a real problem... so if you explain why something is important, people might actually see the value.
 
If I had to guess, I'd say it's the reasoning of why you would use a methodology
 
Yeah, that seems to be what the authors of this were going for: [...]are happy to put up with the vaguely uncomfortable feeling that you are entirely dependent on something you don't really understand. We didn't want a tactical solution, we wanted a strategic solution to a whole set of problems, all of which all appeared to be ideally suited to LDAP, but we had to understand stuff ... we needed a WHYTO. This is our - perhaps pathetic - attempt to create it.
 
Assuming that's it, I have a case in point
 
4:10 PM
In C++, a Q&A like: "Why not to use new" would be a WHYTO
 
@Catija As mentioned, the reply-to-self code is in the Archiver script. The script itself will work for you, given that you have mod powers (it only runs in rooms where you have mod powers or are an RO).
The Archiver has other features you may find useful: directly viewing deleted posts in chat and chat transcripts; a "manual move" list that can be used from chat, transcripts, search, and user pages, but with limited targets, which you could change/configure in the code (which is intended to be user configurable, but that's not written, yet :; ).
Moving the reply to self code into its own userscript (and, thus, usable by everyone) is in process, is mostly completed, but is, at the moment, a lower priority than some other tasks.
 
How should we handle someone trolling on Meta? We're not allowed to post it here, correct?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Nope.
 
Correct. Mod-flag it?
 
Just let the regulars handle it.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica They are not trolling
 
5:28 PM
Is there a time of day where the tag score is counted? I'm looking at a user that's answered today and gotten a score of 8, but it's not added to the tag.
 
I cant recal if it happens when the tag badge script is ran, or if it happens more often then that
I was correct, it's with the badge script: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269040/…
 
Ahh.. thanks. I see several post that talks about it not really working :) Not sure what to make of that last answer though :)
 
@Scratte Sometimes, I do notice that my tag scores are updated more often than once daily. But not sure that it's ever in 'real time', though.
Presumably, running at 03:00 would be after the vote-fraud has run, so voting rings can't get folks tag badges?
 
5:43 PM
@AdrianMole I remember I counted it on my meta profile about a month ago, and it didn't add up. And it was stable at the wrong count until today (it's still wrong though). So I went to check other users profiles. Note: Your meta profile is counting fine :D
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Yeah, that is spam. I saw it a wee while ago and just downvoted, but it's offering paid work, so it's canned pink meat.
 
I would assume it's the same script that works on all the sites, so I'm a bit confused about why the count seems to be stuck for some on meta.
 
6:01 PM
@Scratte IME, it has appeared to run both as a scheduled update and have events that cause an immediate recalculation (at least a partial recalc). I haven't looked at it enough to determine exactly which events qualify for a recalc, but adding/removing a tag from a question has resulted in a recalc (at least on the rare occasions where I've watched for this, although I have looked at it on several occasions; both for myself and others).
It's possible that it's only at scheduled times, but that a large number of times I've looked just happened to overlap a scheduled time. If so, it would require that there's a scheduled task for partial recalcs and one for doing full recalculations, or that there are times during the day when the gap between recalcs is much shorter than at other times of day.
 
@E_net4isdownhausted I'm not native English, but I read "Fluff is not only necessary, but.." as "Fluff is very necessary".
 
@Scratte My mistake indeed, I mean "is not only unnecessary".
But I won't bother now, it's just a lame comment to yet another lame comment.
 
@E_net4isdownhausted Fair enough :)
@Makyen But in any case, after the 3:00 UTC recalculation, all numbers should be correctly reflected. I think most users can deal with not having the numbers correct at any instant and that badges have a delay.
 
6:18 PM
@Makyen Thanks for the explanation! :D (and thanks to everyone sending me links to stuff) I had to go to a meeting. :/
 
@Catija np Chat really isn't a real-time communication method. Hopefully, you don't have to do too many meetings today. :)
 
@Scratte Perhaps you should do a tutorial on counting. It will help you :)
 
Just one more short one in a couple of hours. :D I actually have userscripts that do a lot of what that one does... like the showing deleted chat messages... and I have a mover tool, too... though I almost never use it. The most important chat script I have is the one that makes my username (and all mod's usernames) green. :D
 
There's a user script for green? Is it public?
 
It is, but it's also like... one line of code. raw.githubusercontent.com/CalvT/ModColorFix/master/…
$("head").last().after("<style>.username.moderator { color: green!important; }</style>");
 
6:27 PM
Awesome! I'm going to make you all pink :)
 
@Catija Personally, I preferred to add ♦ symbols. :) However, it was necessary to put them at the start of the name, rather than at the end, because usernames can be truncated. It was a bit more effort to add them to transcripts.
 
Yeah, transcripts are weird because there's so much that isn't visible at all... like even whether someone is an RO or mod.
 
if only there was a ChatAPI ;)
 
Yeah, it's a bit frustrating that the transcript pages don't include that information. It seems like it would have not taken that much to include it. The best I found was making an AJAX call to get the info on users, and then apply the appropriate classes.
 
6:43 PM
Chat is magical - it really is one of my favorite forms of communication - SE chat, specifically, not just text-based communication generally... but it has long spent too much time being ignored. :(
 
Let's migrate SE chat to a Discord back-end
 
Discord is kinda weird. The replies are terrible.
... by which I mean, replies are as good as impossible.
 
I'm not a fan of discord
 
It doesn't have replies, but it does have everything in one tab
 
Since when became that a plus?
 
6:58 PM
I have more chat tabs than non-chat tabs, and I use tabs as a YouTube queue.
 
7:14 PM
I have nearly 400 tabs currently... Only... 20 or so are for chat. :D
 
How
 
now brown cow ?
 
I mean, how do you organize the tabs so that they're all useful and fit into the RAM?
 
They never move. Or rarely. At worst, they retain their relative position to each other but have additional tabs added in. I rely on a combination of memory and icons. If I have too many similar icons I may have to do a bit of guessing (most common with Google Docs/Sheets)... but ... it usually works out pretty well.
I have four main windows. One is in a different workspace and is where my email and a bunch of docs live. Three are on my main workspace. One is my primary SE window with tabs to the places I use frequently. One is my primary "non-SE" window which includes social media, discord, random Google searches. The third is my meetings window which has my Google Hangouts tab and all of my default meetings docs.
Then I've got a bunch of transitory windows for specific tasks that are usually collapsed in the sidebar unless I actually need them.
 
@Catija I use that method but with 8 virtual desktops :)
 
7:26 PM
@Braiam :D How many monitors?
 
I don't use virtual desktops. I just minimize and unminimize windows to switch contexts.
 
I use three-finger swipes. :D
 
7:40 PM
@Catija 2
 
Should this be closed or flagged as spam like a recruitment ad or mod-flagged for deletion as it's got the person's phone number in it? stackoverflow.com/q/62268482
 
@DavidBuck I just went for closure. It's not really a job offer
 
@Machavity Yeah, about that
 
I do set a hard limit on each window... once the tabs get too small to see the icons, it's time to start closing them down.
Rarely I end up having to create a new window for things instead.
 
Jajaja, I use firefox, so looking for a tab I usually use the bar.
 
7:59 PM
... how do y'all upload images so that they turn into text without having to edit the message?
 
@Catija I personally open SO proper and upload the image there :D
 
@Braiam FF scrolls, though, right? That would annoy me. :P
@Braiam Ah, yeah, that was the immediate solution I thought of but I thought y'all might have a script for it. :P
Here are my primary three windows currently :P i.stack.imgur.com/hgbh4.png
 
@Catija I don't try to balance them. For example, I have one window with pinned tabs that I want to see whenever I'm doing stuff, some windows have 2-4 tabs and others are rabbit holes :D
 
@Braiam Sure. I have some like that, too... they just live in my sidebar. For example, the Hootsuite account (managing the @stackexchange twitter account) is in a window practically alone that I forget about regularly.
 
8:25 PM
@Catija :O That is.. a lot of tabs! How do you even find one?!? :)
 
and here I was with my 2 windows on 2 monitors with < 50 tabs open thinking I was overdoing it.
 
@Catija Ironically, I find that Chrome doesn't scroll to be annoying. :; I guess it all depends on what you're used to. OTOH, in Firefox you can apply your own CSS to the tabs, so could just make it such that they don't scroll. Note: While I do apply some CSS to change the look of tabs, I haven't actually tried preventing scrolling, but it should be possible. I also like that Firefox lets you set the minimum tab width.
It also has a drop-down list of tabs that you can scroll through or search, if you want to see more of each tab's title. In general, I just find Firefox better, at least for me, at handling large numbers of tabs.
 
@Scratte :D I recognize the icons for the most part.
 
@Makyen Opera has that too :) I like it because it contains the page titles.
 
@Makyen I'm trying to remember my main struggle... I think it was... trying to find tabs and forgetting they scrolled... or maybe there was something weird about moving tabs if you wanted to move them to the other end of the window... the minimum tab width was too small for me and I'm not a programmer so I don't know how to override that stuff.
Also, I've heard FF has gotten better but it used to be such a resource hog... I'd have to restart my laptop every couple of days just to clear out the RAM.
 
8:37 PM
With the mess of tabs I have, my instance is using about ~20 % of my 32GiB of ram
 
A K
not sure if i can ask this here, but how would i approach to designing a ranking system
and updating it?
 
Not the right room to ask such a question really.
 
26.2 to be exact
 
A K
hmmm alright
 
... unless you want a system that ranks questions according to how worthy they are of being closed.
 
8:43 PM
I love that idea. If I wasn't busy I would write such bot
 
Isn't there a bot that chats in SOBotics that seeks out likely CV candidates?
 
@Catija I believe the minimum tab width can be set with the browser.tabs.tabMinWidth value in about:config. Prior to the switch-over to WebExtensions, Firefox was a lot more configurable, and easier to find such configuration by installing extensions. WebExtension based extensions just can't do that much wrt. adjusting the browser UI.
 
Is a link to Google (with no input) spam? I think R/A is perhaps better for that one. ^
 
@AdrianMole The question is asking for a tool
 
8:52 PM
Question is about to be closed. But what flag for the 'answer'?
 
@AdrianMole The answer may answer the question. Also, if the question is closed it is not a concern, everything would be deleted unless someone makes any score a positive score.
 
I went R/A (abuse of the site, IMHO).
 
R/A work IMHO
@Braiam The answer is just gibberish. the link is to google.com so it's usless.
 
@Braiam No. If you put "Have you tried Google?" as a comment, it would likely get an unfriendly flag. As an answer, it's at least that, and worse.
 
Considering that the user has delete its account prior to this event... who is being abused?
 
8:56 PM
we are.
 
^ +1
 
@Catija Both Chrome and Firefox have been resource hogs at various periods of time, and under somewhat different usage patterns. Over the years, I've usually found Firefox to be reasonable, although I have 32GB of RAM, so it's rarely an been an issue for me. However, there have been periods of time where I've found it quite beneficial to drop down to a couple/few hundred tabs, rather than have a couple thousand.
 
"couple thousand tabs" {grin}
 
I barely restart my system, most of the times is to apply kernel updates or because an extended blackout that my UPS can't ride out. Despite that, I sometimes restart firefox, when it gets weird.
 
the most overly broad question I've seen yet, "how do I write an Android app that detects cancer?" (paraphrased) has now been asked twice (by the same person)
 
9:57 PM
@RyanM Well, if it was that easy, I bet someone already had created it.
 
10:12 PM
I have checks 451 tabs currently, using 12-13GB of RAM
Not all the tabs are loaded, though, due to browser restarts
but the majority are
the Stack Overflow window has 180, so that's a lot of the cause :-p
 
10:31 PM
@RyanM Using chrome can have the same effects :D
 
@Braiam which effects are you referring to?
 
@RyanM it was a poor jab at chrome memory management.
 
oh I see :-p
I'm actually pretty impressed at how little memory Firefox is using for that many tabs...
Like Makyen, I too have 32GB of RAM, and I am very glad for that...
 
Now that we are all talking about firefox, it is really a hard limit the 8 content process?
 
Hey, it used to be 4...
I'm surprised there's not a Super User post for this...no, it's not a hard limit, I just checked
 
10:50 PM
I mean, the drop down menu just go to 8
Not sure if you just can go to about:config and mess wit hti
 
ahhhhh there is, darn it, I was gonna write the question and self-answer it :-p
anyway, just set dom.ipc.processCount to whatever - I just tested it with 10 and it works
I confirmed in task manager that the number of processes in the group increased by 2
 
That's interesting. I wonder what would be the most efficient number based on logical cpu's and memory
 
If you want some insight, here's the bug where it was increased to 8: bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1470280
 
@RyanM It appears there's also dom.ipc.processCount.webLargeAllocation, which defaults to 10. I haven't looked at the code to see how these settings interact.
 
11:06 PM
> The only factor in determining the number of content processes in the near future will be the number of origins loaded at a time, regardless of system resources. Scaling the default maximum number of processes is the first step towards enabling that, and therefore will not depend on any other factors.
Just wow, they are serious about process sandboxing.
That means that several SO tabs may spawn as little as 1-3 process (if you load SE sites or other sites)
 
"near future" hmmmmmm
 
Yeah, that didn't age well :D
 

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