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12:01 AM
That's because, on Google devices, you can only Play. On Apple devices, you can App.
 
I didn't read that title closely...
I mean, it has android and ios tags...
 
Clearly a leak of Apple's upcoming Play Store for Android devices, which allows you to upload iOS apps /s
 
I think you can sleep well knowing that your enlightened Lamp Soft with that last comment @RyanM
Sorry, I'll see myself out
 
And here I'd been trying melatonin all this time
 
user13682510
 
12:23 AM
@RyanM Ah, that's because you only recently discovered Meta. Its enlightening wisdom will have you sleeping like a baby.
 
@username If this message was intended to be a request for us to look at the linked question with respect to voting to close, please see this section of the FAQ, which describes how we'd like to see requests formatted. I strongly suggest that you read the FAQ in general for interacting in this room.
 
 
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2:09 AM
@pkamb How do you see that question as being on-topic? It's about an IDE, not about programming
 
@pkamb Looks like it was closed 6 years ago for "lacks minimal understanding".
 
Xcode is "software tools commonly used by programmers" + "directly involve tools used primarily for programming"
 
@pkamb I agree. I was just giving information.
 
yeah, I was answering @Nick
 
@pkamb my bad, I've seen a lot of these closed and assumed it was because they weren't about programming...
 
2:20 AM
It is even possible for app store questions to be on-topic under those rules (if they're neither about policy nor support requests), although most of them are not
 
what is the "bad keyword" there? Curious. ^^^
 
@pkamb ^
 
hmm. I don't get it.
 
(you can also click the "MS" link to see the reason)
I believe this one triggers on "number" and "window" in the same post, or something like that
Nope, it's more complicated than that.
The code for that rule is here: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/…
It's trying to detect scams involving the name of a business/product like "windows" (or "window", in this case), plus a phone number, plus at least 2 words associated with customer support numbers, like "number", "customer", or "customers".
I suspect, without any evidence, that it'd be rather more accurate if it only triggered on "windows" instead of also triggering on "window", but as I said, I don't have any evidence beyond seeing a lot of false positives along exactly these lines, and finding the evidence is probably a bit involved
 
2:40 AM
sorry to nerd snipe you :)
 
3:13 AM
# flexible detection of customer service Indeed.
 
 
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6:07 AM
@tink Seems they are looking for debugging suggestions, based on the information provided, and therefore no code is necessary/available. Is that far too open-ended to hope to be on-topic?
 
@CodyGray ... I think they need to at least add a) a description of their workstation set-up that gives similar results and b) more detail on the structure/workflow of their tooling. As it stands to me this is a "how would I know" ...
I'll freely admit that I've never used tensorflow for anything; but we've had docker in prod running other python code and never seen any inconsistencies like that...
 
@tink Well, I haven't used it at all, that's why I ask. I just want to make sure this isn't one of those knee-jerk "it has no code, thus it is off-topic" reactions. Not all questions need code. Certain "help me to figure out where to start debugging this" questions should be on-topic here, as long as they have sufficient detail and are reasonably scoped. But that requires someone who is familiar with the subject-matter to judge.
 
Gotcha ... maybe a "needs detail or clarification" would have sufficed.
 
@tink Yeah, it's hard to choose between those two sometimes. I usually prefer the "no MCVE" reason because it's more descriptive and provides actionable feedback, but in cases like this where I don't want to suggest that code is strictly necessary, I will fall back to the "needs details" reason.
 
@CodyGray =)
 
7:11 AM
Worth reopening? the question started off as severely lacking MCVE. It has been updated and it's now reproducible (link is to a comment to that effect). It's very simple code on par with a "Hello world" program yet produces unexpected behaviour. The bug seems to be in one of two tools used.
 
@VLAZ Can you write a useful answer for this?
 
@Dharman this is basically my concern here. I am unable to write one. I'm not sure if it's impossible to write it, though. I'd certainly be interested in finding out why that happens. If the bug was isolated to only one thing, then I mighty have VTR'd. But it's either Maven or Netbeans, so it isn't quite specific enough, hence my question here. It's reproducible but I'm not sure if it's clear enough why it's happening.
 
Looks fine to me. I can't answer it, because I have no idea what's wrong, but if I were a NetBeans dev, I'd call this a usable bugreport.
I don't think it being clear why something is happening is a requirement. I think being clear how to reproduce it is. And as you point out, a commenter notes that they can reproduce it based on what's there.
If it were clear why it was happening, then it wouldn't be a very good question (-:
 
@RyanM Thanks. I wondered whether it'd be at least be useful to narrow down to Netbeans or Maven. But I guess you're right. Just for safety, I'd wait a bit - maybe somebody has a compelling argument for why it should stay closed.
 
yeah, I'll get ready for bed and if no one has come up with any reasons, I'll vote to reopen it (and then if someone comes up with one later they can @ me)
 
7:29 AM
:49657044 I'm impressed the question is tagged with something that apparently exists and has a single question. That question also has a deleted spam answer for taxi services...
 
as a possible counterpoint, I'm mildly nonplussed at questions that are actually bug reports for the software. But eh, sometimes people find workarounds, or the source is unexpected, or something else.
So I usually leave 'em, sometimes with a comment to the effect of "hey maybe report this on the bugtracker"
Reasons why I'm wrong for doing that are welcome
 
Is anyone familiar with and konic, that can shed light on whether or not this now edited Question is on-topic?
 
@RyanM I'm OK with questions that turn out to be bug reports. I had a question of my own that turned out to be a feature request. I asked "how do I do X in Y" and a support person answered that they've added my question to their bug tracker. I didn't know it was a missing feature, when I was posting that. Similarly people have questions for tech that behaves unintuitively and turns out they've encountered a bug. I have an answer to that effect, as well...
So, at the time of posting, it's not exactly clear whether that should be a filed with some dev or not. It's quite often that it seems it's not a bug but something you're doing wrong.
...then we also have people posting questions on "bugs" they've found and it turns out they are just doing it wrong. In their defence, they are (usually) trying to confirm if it's a bug.
 
@VLAZ You mean "My code is fine. Java is doing it wrong"?
 
Yeah, that's my inclination as well.
@Scratte that's... a mess, I have no earthly idea if it's adequate, but they've misspelled the name of the library they're using...it's konik, not konic
 
7:42 AM
@Scratte I don't frequent the Java tag too much so I'm not sure how often it shows up there. I've seen it a lot in TypeScript, though. Heck, the TS team are swamped with "bug" requests enough that the first point in their FAQ is "Common "Bugs" That Aren't Bugs". The FAQ also spends a fair amount of content explaining why something is correct, against claims of the opposite.
 
I suspect it's not adequate, but I really can't tell
 
@Scratte It's also common with other libraries where people either haven't read the documentation or haven't understood it. "I'm calling X but I'm getting Y instead of the Z I actually wished for with no basis. Why is the library wrong"
 
Alright, bedtime...tossed a reopen vote on it, and just to formalize/track it:
 
@RyanM Thanks. I think.. that it's not yet good enough. I suspect that it's just the output, no input (which is based on the "this is the result oft the validation"), but.. I don't know it
 
@Scratte at any rate, if it's not answerable and it stays like that it'll roomba in a year /shrug
 
7:46 AM
@RyanM good night.
 
Zoe
8:41 AM
@tink has pending edit
 
@zoe that edit doesn't make it any better
 
Zoe
I know, which is why I voted to reject it ^^"
 
Heh
 
Tough crowd, rejecting an edit that demonstrably improves the grammar.
 
Needs an option for "Turd polishing".
 
8:45 AM
LOL
 
It used to be labeled "too minor". It was removed.
Who else is going to polish those turds?
 
@CodyGray - you are quite right on the grammar, but it's still OT
Someone with a very strong stomach ;D
 
(Remember that rep from approved suggested edits is lost when the post is deleted, so it's not a huge deal if these are approved, as long as they're legitimate edits.)
 
Zoe
Except if it's done too late, it bumps the post into the reopen queue for no reason
 
8:47 AM
It still sends wrong signals to the editors
 
Zoe
and that
 
I'll buy that, @John, as soon as you provide me with any evidence of "signals" getting through to reviewers.
 
that +2 is a sure mark of an approved edit, even if it didn't literally say "edit approved"
there's no corresponding "the content you edited was deleted a jiffy after" for the -2 that comes shortly after.
 
Maybe we should send some emails: "You recently suggested an edit that was approved by the community. Although it did improve the post, doing so was a waste of time, since the post was off-topic and deleted shortly thereafter. While we appreciate your contributions, please focus on improving posts that are likely to stick around so that your edits will have a lasting impact."
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^ Narrow and to the point. Substantially better than the other two templates they sent.
 
8:53 AM
That sounds interesting. Not a fan of emails specifically, but more guidance would be welcome.
 
@E_net4likesGATs Oh, yeah, I made a mistake. That email is actually supposed to be sent to the people who approved the edits. And maybe some people who never suggested any edits at all.
 
In the edit queue, Is that consider "spam vandalism" when the edit look like random word of broken English? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26425956
 
LOL
 
@DragandDrop yes.
 
@DragandDrop Yes, I would consider that edit to be "vandalism". Note that, unlike spam flags on posts, there are no specific penalties attached to edits rejected as "spam or vandalism", so you don't need to be cautious of using this rejection reason when it applies.
(99% of the time, it's an audit anyway.)
 
8:54 AM
"Blastula" is very offensive to real users of spatula blasters.
 
@E_net4likesGATs I hope those users never decide to study embryology then...
 
Actually, everyone has been a blastula at one point of their lifetime.
@CodyGray hey, that's a spoiler ;)
 
Well WP for the Audit. I Really paid attention on this one. ^^
 
I went ahead and rejected it because I honestly wasn't sure it was an audit.
We do get these edits as actual submissions sometimes.
 
It just said "not reviewable" to me
 
8:57 AM
@JohnDvorak Perhaps because you looked after I already rejected it?
Although it makes sense that one user's audit would be "not reviewable" for other users.
 
That's possible, but what would I see if I came earlier?
 
I wonder if being a moderator means I have the special power to review your review audits. And if it also means I can read your thoughts.
(I do not wish for either of these things.)
 
I'm surprised you have the power to review other people's audits
Now it says for me: "Review audit passed: rejected by Cody Gray", so presumably "not reviewable" would be for before you did.
 
Yay! I passed an audit!
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@JohnDvorak, luckly i have a note pad with all my action near by
From : _on another computer it works without preceding the command with "python"_
To : _on another computer it so far importing top of without effects untill completed the worked the with "python"_
 
9:00 AM
So you must have looked at it before I rejected it, and that must mean that mods can review other people's audits. Weird.
 
I'm wondering if the audit generator ever produced an edit suggestion that legitimately looked reasonable
 
@JohnDvorak I suspect it has. You know what they say about a thousand yivis on a thousand keyboards.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I saw a Meta gripe post about that one time.
 
It's not just yivis. They say the same about random changes to the DNA.
 
So.. there's a risk that with enough mutations anyone can become a lisp program?
 
... what's a yivi? Wikitionary is utterly confused.
 
9:03 AM
@Scratte With enough parentheses, everything becomes a Lisp program
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And if it's not a LISP program, it's a Perl program.
 
Worse. There's a risk that with enough mutations, a bacterium can become multicellular, then terrestrial, then sapient, and then genocided by bacteria that didn't.
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@E_net4likesGATs Theorem: all buggy Lisp programs are Perl programs.
 
If I ever become a lisp program, please execute me..
 
9:14 AM
@Scratte that's ambiguous - do you mean you want us to run you or would you prefer us to end you?
 
Downvote all buggy lisp programs
 
@CodyGray :))))))))))))))))))
 
@VLAZ ((((((((((((((((((:
 
That's is truly a perfect match!
 
The Community-a-thon started and I dropped a link to point participants to this room.
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9:20 AM
Hey does anyone know if I can report something to mods, I am not sure wether to mod flag a post or to contact them else ways.

https://prnt.sc/t0mhjz
the poster responded with following comment and after I mentioned me reporting him he deleted his answer
 
Zoe
@Tomm It'll get automatically reverted at 3:00 GMT on June 17th.
 
Is there any logic behind that @Zoe?
 
@Tomm This.
No need to do anything, there is a script that runs daily to detect events of targeted voting.
 
Cheers @E_net4likesGATs @Zoe
 
If the issue persists after 24 hours, then you can call your doctor modflag.
 
user12867493
9:36 AM
Hi!
 
user12867493
I read the tour but I can't really help here I guess (don't have CV privilege)
 
I'm not sure I understand what the Community-a-thon is about. Is it about having staff experince what it's like to be a user?
 
user12867493
@Scratte Yep, basically that
 
@Daniil I hope they edit a lot then.. and get their edits preempted by Community.
 
9:48 AM
@Daniil Please format that as [tag:cv-pls] [tag:python] <reason> <url>
room owners run a cleanup script that looks for these messages.
 
user12867493
Ok, I assume there is a script for formatting like that?
 
user12867493
 
@Daniil Yes, there is a userscript that allows you to directly post requests here and it will auto format them. But it's also acceptable to do it by hand.
You're way ahead of me :)
 
user12867493
Like that? ^
 
user12867493
I'm going to try and get more rep so I can actually CV :)
 
9:53 AM
Because I also think I saw that report yesterday.
 
user12867493
@VLAZ Yep, it scans all active questions
 
I assume a privileged user has to mark that as a false positive and it won't be reported again if another answer shows up. Is that correct?
 
user12867493
I think so, I am privileged in Charcoal HQ so I'll mark it as such now
 
@Dharman "Test the StackOverflow URL naming format to see how Chinese is translated. No answer, no answer, no answer" what Google Translate tells me for this.
 
@VLAZ which is abuse of the system
 
10:04 AM
@Adriaan to be clear - I wasn't suggesting it wasn't. Just (potentially) saving people looking it up.
 
user12867493
Do we close questions with errors where there is already a main question for that error?
 
If it's a duplicate, then we close it as such.
 
user12867493
10:27 AM
Do most of the CV requests that are posted here actually get closed by people here?
 
Can we get an auto-correct feature for new questions that contain "i wanna" (invariably using a lowercase 'i')?
 
@Daniil yes. And more so since the amount of votes necessary was decreased from 5 to 3
 
And can we add a "Requires Editing" button to the First Posts queue? (But, obviously, not tell Sam about it.) ;D
 
@AdrianMole I don't think the First Posts queue have removed the edit option, so why the button? :)
 
So I can 'flag' that something needs attention when I don't have the energy to do it myself.
... but it wasn't really a serious suggestion.
 
10:43 AM
@AdrianMole You mean no feature-request and no heated argument? I was already getting worked up :)
 
Not today (sorry). But I guess that's partly where the idea for the Triage queue came from, and that doesn't seem to be going too well, these days. I know I can always use the Skip button but, sometimes, I can see that a question would be improved significantly with some cosmetic editing but, for various reasons, do not consider myself to be the best person to do it.
 
@AdrianMole why you wanna that?
 
Coz it just aint kool man.
I call it Twitterization.
 
don't you think it is rude to auto-correct their account creation by deleting it when they type "i wanna"
 
@AdrianMole That was a pain-point for me for a long time. Skip is my friend now :) I think, I skip around 90% of all posts bringing me into the danger-zone of getting a badge solely for reviewing audits :D
 
10:53 AM
@Scratte When folks were planning The Strike, I did consider going through review queues and skipping all but the audits.
 
user12867493
Why does everyone skip so much? I only skip around 15%...
 
@AdrianMole I am using rene's script, and I always feel I missed out when I realized I skipped an audit.
 
user12867493
@Scratte Rene has a script?
 
@Daniil Review queues on SO are rather more varied than, perhaps, on other sites. There's such a huge range of subject matter that, quite often, a particular reviewer cannot make a reasonable judgement on many of the posts with which they are presented.
There is (in some queues) an option to filter by tag, but that tends to be a bit too severe and restrictive.
 
@Daniil I skip posts that needs editing, and posts where if they author edits their post, I have no idea if it's on-topic. So, a Haskell question with code in an image is skip-able for me. I found myself in the pickle a few times before I changed my approach on this. Of course I skip anything that looks like it's fine if I don't know the tags.
 
user12867493
10:59 AM
Are my requests OK? Just checking as I'm very new to this...
 
@Daniil Yes. It's awesome :) It's for the History page for reviews you've already done: Adding the consensus to review's history
 
@Daniil If you were doing something wrong, a Room Owner would let you know.
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Most of the RO's look a little 'dead' to me...
 
hehe
 
@Daniil Yes, they look like any other SOCVR request :) I'm not sure if you're suppose to keep posting a lot of them though, there are some rules about it in the FAQ.
@Daniil They're not.. I assure you :)
 
11:07 AM
I've heard @rene called many, many things, but "dead" ...
 
@Daniil don't make my "dead" roots kick you ....
 
I've seen rene been called blurry a lot, but I find "sharp" to be more accurate.
 
They are alive and kicking
 
user12867493
@rene Um... is that serious?
 
do you want it to be serious?
@Vega you bet :D
 
user12867493
11:10 AM
Um... it was just a joke 😑
 
Never met my humor apparently :D
 
user12867493
Anyway, nice to meet you (even if started on the wrong note) @rene I've seen you around quite a bit and hopefully even more :)
 
@Daniil it looks fine so far, I have the same advice as @Scratte: don't get too enthusiastic and route every PHP question here as a cv-pls ;)
 
user12867493
Is it ok to mostly have my CV requests from the Python tag? (that's the tag I monitor/look at 95% of the time)
 
I would get worried if you post cv-pls for Haskell ...
 
11:16 AM
There's a special room cell for Haskell CV requests.
 
user12867493
What's wrong with Haskell?
 
Nothing. That's the point. Even if you were to successfully close a Haskell question, it would re-open within the hour.
 
user12867493
it would re-open within the hour -> why?
 
user12867493
Seriously though:
 
user12867493
> Is it ok to mostly have my CV requests from the Python tag?
 
11:18 AM
@Daniil I don't think there are any rules about what tags your request can have :) Python or PHP or Haskell (expect all Haskell Questions are on-topic!), but.. since both you and I cannot actually close vote anything ourselves, it's probably best to limit our request to things that obviously will not get closed the regular way.
 
Haskell is sort of an 'in joke' with folks here. 90% or more of questions that come up in the CV queue are audits. The only occasion on which I saw a real CV request for Haskell (which I voted to close as "Opinion Based"), it did get closed (I think I was vote #3). An hour or so later, it was open again, with a somewhat disparaging comment about the 'ignorant folks' that closed it.
 
user12867493
Ah ok, thanks for the explanation.
 
@Daniil if you only "know" python, what are the alternatives? It might only be that you make a wrong call and either Martijn or Jon pops in here to call you out. We all make mistakes now and then, just don't repeat the same mistake every 6 to 8 minutes/hours/days/weeks.
 
user12867493
Ooh, a conversation with Jon Skeet - sounds fun
 
Wrong Jon, I think.
 
user12867493
11:23 AM
xD
 
user12867493
@rene What do you mean by It might only be that you make a wrong call and either Martijn or Jon pops in here to call you out. Call me out about what?
 
that you cv-pls-ed something that shouldn't be
 
user12867493
Ah ok, because they also know Python?
 
Yes.
 
user12867493
👍
 
11:25 AM
And they "know" this room exists.
 
user12867493
Is there a tag for questions like help me fix this error?
 
I hope not
 
that would be a meta-tag
 
Does anybody use the Magic editor script? Seems to not work very well with the dark theme. I also see it hasn't been updated for a while.
 
user12867493
 
user12867493
11:28 AM
@VLAZ I do, there are some errors though which are annoying and I turned off dark mode specifically to use it
 
@Daniil I can't find it in the FAQ right now, but I believe that you are responsible for any request you post. So if the author or anyone else comes in asks about the request, you should be able to explain why you posted it here.
 
I hope it would be OK if I submit a PR. I've been playing around with it and it's pretty good.
I think I can make all the changes to make it support the theme for the website
 
user12867493
Please do, I love dark mode
 
It would take a few days to properly check it, and make sure it works.
 
user12867493
I could help test it if you want?
 
11:29 AM
@Daniil I'll fork the repo and share a link, You'd be able to install it from there and it will be more usable.
 
user12867493
👍
 
You'll have to wait for a few hours, though.
 
user12867493
Why?
 
I'm a bit busy right now, that's why.
 
user12867493
Ok
 
11:30 AM
So, I'll do it when I get back.
Thanks for helping, though! Much appreciated.
 
user12867493
Ping me when you get to posting it please :)
 
No problem, I'll make sure I do.
 
user12867493
Not sure if this needs reopening? stackoverflow.com/q/62397634/12867493
 
In their edit, the OP seems to be 'admitting' it's a duplicate, so why reopen?
 
user12867493
The dupe is actually a bit different but if it suites them then it's fine
 
11:44 AM
Looks like 2 20K+ folks have voted to delete it.
 
user12867493
Yep, I noticed that as well
 
user12867493
Ooh, 1k rep
 
@AdrianMole I thought that was a missing-word-typo. That the word "not" is just missing from the sentence.
 
@Scratte Could be. But it's been through the reopen queue once already (unanimous leave closed) after the first edit. The second edit just adds the remark about the dupe, which isn't really adding any clarity or justification, whatever the actual language intent.
 
@AdrianMole I have no feelings about it, expect I do not understand the urge to delete it. It will Roomba on it's own and deleting it may just bring more hands-on frustrations than if it just sits there for 10 days with no new activity.
 
11:55 AM
@Daniil photo of a screen :vomit:
 
Each delete voter (I'm not one, and not even eligible on that post) has their own logic, I guess. But I agree with you: why waste a precious DV on something that Roomba will eat, anyway?
 
@Daniil turns out I had some time. Try installing the script from here (link to GitHub repo). I've changed the most obvious of things - it should now be usable for the dark them, at least. Known issues (so far): I know the magic button looks "grayed out" but it's clickable.
AFAIK, it should still work with the normal theme, too.
I recommend using Violentmonkey or Tampermonkey to run this. I haven't tested with Greasemonkey and I suspect there might be issues. I've already seen that GM seems to treat the CSS variables incorrectly in another place, so maybe the same would happen here.
 
@AdrianMole Heh.. we also have each our logic for non-deleting then :D
 
Logic is illogical.
 
Damn, first message is now too old to edit. The "here" is for installation, then the brackets are a separate link.
Right now it seems like the same thing.
 
user12867493
12:00 PM
@VLAZ Looks good. There were some actual issues with the editing mechanism. e.g. Formatted code which was already code. also imo the green flash when clicking it should be less green
 
@Daniil I agree. Can you add these as issues in GitHub? (do I have to do anything to enable those, BTW?) Or maybe just jot them down.
 
@VLAZ Did you fix code blocks?
 
@Dharman probably not.
 
user12867493
@VLAZ enable what?
 
@Daniil issues. Sorry, new to GitHub
 
user12867493
12:03 PM
 
@Daniil thank you! I've enabled it now.
 
user12867493
I'll open an issue in a bit (reached the cap of 5 on suggested edits)
 
@Daniil Thanks again! See you in a bit
 
Morning
 
user12867493
Hello!
 
12:11 PM
@CodyGray Sweet. It's nice to surpass expectations :)
 
12:29 PM
@E_net4likesGATs what's a POB?
 
@desertnaut Primarily opinion based
 
1:06 PM
Aye
 
@E_net4likesGATs Aye, aye! 👀
 
@AdrianMole Jes
 
 
1:36 PM
Do 20K+ users get the "Improve Edit" option in reviews for tag-wikis and excerpts?
 
I can't recall
I think so though
 
Better get to work answering some questions, only 3k rep to go Adrian
 
@IanCampbell 10 300-rep bounties from the good folks of this room would do the trick! :-)
 
Haw haw
 
... or 100 30-rep?
 
1:49 PM
I believe bounties do not contribute to the tag's score, right?
 
Correct, only upvotes
 
But the 20K threshold would still earn the "Trusted User" privilege, which allows immediate editing of tag wikis.
 
Then I'll pass. The privileges obtained through 20k are not as shiny as a Mjölnir.
 
Lame excuse.
 
Not lame. Truly legit.
Last Friday I "answered" 3 Rust questions by pointing them to the right duplicates. And I imagine some of us get to handle even more in tags with higher traffic.
 
1:53 PM
Mjölnir is not really that shiny. Maybe you meant Cap's shield?
 
@AdrianMole Yep, they do! Sonic chose that option for my suggested edit to this tag wiki on MSE.
 
I eagerly await the day when (if) I get the C++ Mjölnir. The number of dupes that are rapidly answered by folks who really should know better is infuriating. (I'm currently on a tag score of 620-ish, I think.)
 
I've seen a few users who'll answer and then dupehammer. It's... an interesting sight.
Anything for rep, amirite? ;D
 
That's just plain wrong and should, IMHO, be flagged or raised on Meta.
 
Answering, then hammering is frowned upon
 
2:00 PM
Yeah. I'm against doing that. People have told me they do it so the OP gets a custom answer that has code they can copy and paste, but that breaks my teach a person to fish philosophy.
@AdrianMole FWIW, if I'm on you can ping me for the bad ones and I'll hammer if I can
 
Mjölnir is a heavy weight, if (when?) I ever get R gold I'll probably never vote to close anything as a dup for fear of overdoing it.
 
@NathanOliver Do you have Mjölnir for ?
 
No, just C++ and C++11
 
Heh
 
I prefer that roomba auto-delete questions when targets reach +10 questions closed against it, in ascending order by score.
 
2:02 PM
That would be nice.
 
@IanCampbell By the time you do get the R gold badge, I would hope you are pretty confident in your dupe-knowledge.
 
When I have my full 'wits', I normally post a cv-pls in here for the most obvious dupes in C and C++, just because I know there are certain folks who will post an answer otherwise.
 
Oh, I almost have the templates gold tag badge. That'll be fun
 
@Braiam Now that you're here: Did you see my 'comment' on your tag-wiki?
 
@AdrianMole Yes, I did. I get confused with mayor/major. It's one of those words that I rarely use.
 
2:05 PM
I guessed something like that.
 
Also, I see it enough in both variants used for that meaning that it doesn't help :/
 
Any thoughts as to whether this is just a (bad) question, or if it's spam dressed up as a bad question? stackoverflow.com/questions/62404840/…
 
Naw, spam definitely needs to be trying to promote that site. That's just a (bad) question.
 
@DavidBuck I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as they have "good" content
 
Fair enough. I was just in two minds because the website couldn't have a much spammier sounding URL (I guess cheapestoakleys might be slightly worse)
 
2:19 PM
Surprisingly youvewonmoneyfromtheroyalfamily is still available
 
@IanCampbell My modflag on account myhairrevitalx from the 9th of June is still pending.
 
@Adriaan Wondering the same thing. The lower (spam) part could be edited out, but is the answer then valid. (It's the user's first/only post, BTW.)
 
Same, I had the flag dialog box open and then stopped...
 
Edit plus a "how not to spam" comment?
 
I saw the author edit their post, they might respond to a comment.
 
2:23 PM
@AdrianMole Remember that sometimes it's plagiarized content with spam attached.
 
Indeed.
 
Interestingly the profile has another spam sounding link
 
OK, I just had another look at and regretted it.
 
@Braiam they didn't plagiarise from another answer on the same question at least, so I edited out all the spam and left them a comment
 
I think that's about right in this case. Give the benefit of the doubt until that doubt is removed.
 
2:27 PM
@Adriaan I've seem plagirization of post in other sites, so a web search is more effective finding those.
 
When reviewing tag wikis and excerpts it's so interesting to see how much plagiarized content people post.
 
@RobertColumbia read the discussion up here, we were giving the OP on that perceived spam-footer the benefit of the doubt, and I stand with that unless you provide compelling evidence that this is indeed spam.
 
@IanCampbell Agree. But is copying content from the tag's 'official' webpage OK, if it's acknowledged? Like: From TagsᴙUs.com "This is a tool for...".
 
@AdrianMole Sure, but I don't think I've ever seen seen an attributed excerpt (I'm sure some exist)
 
Most that I see are blatant copy/pasta from Wikipedia - which is a big no-no.
 
2:37 PM
If they copied a line or two from the wiki, but have their own content as well I normally let it go. It's when it's just copied content that I reject
 
I'm mostly talking about excerpts. I use the "Cody Option:" do a Google on the first half of the text and if, in the first 10 matches, the second half also appears, then ... Wham!
 
FWIW I've added their domain to the SD watchlist. If they post it again we'll know
But I agree it isn't spam as-is
 
And there is clear indication that it is the poster's website/service.
 
user12867493
Why is earning rep on SO so hard? :/
 
cause we downvote stuff
 
2:49 PM
Because we're all toxic old men who don't like upvoting other folks' efforts.
 
@Daniil you're definitely doing something wrong then. Just answer blatant dupes and typos in any of the larger tags (JavaScript, Java, C, C++, C#, PHP etc) and in most cases you'll earn net rep. (OK, your post might have a negative score, but the overall rep usually will be positive)
 
@Daniil I am very impressed with how you were able to get some much rep on other sites so quickly. SO is a bit different, because it is difficult to find the right question.
Have you tried sock-puppets?
 
user12867493
@Dharman Um... Sounds like bad advice :P
 
Is the OP here vandalising their own post?
 
Man, we should have just spam flagged that post and been done with it. Such a time suck.
 
2:53 PM
I started hunting sock-puppets and I really went the wrong way with my search yesterday, because at some point my search popped up Ian Campbell's account. That is when I went to sleep.
 
@Adriaan I think the situation there is now officially a "mess." Maybe a mod flag to sort it out?
 
When people gain a lot of reputation quickly it is always suspicious... :D
 
Haha, did you find akrun and my on again off again bromance?
 
@Dharman You accidentally happened upon the grandmaster of the longest-running sock puppet ring. Congrats. ;)
 
No, I think it was some other account. "bvowe"
 
2:56 PM
I've been to that user's profile before. Just out of curiosity what did you find?
 
It was a false positive so nothing really. It was just a coincidence that you answer a lot of questions and that user asks a lot in the same tag. I doubt you are the same person. I don't want to reveal how I hunt voting frauds, but sometimes it is obvious that people are getting votes from illegitimate sources.
 
Yeah, that person seems to like R data.table, which is one of my favorite tags
I like that you think the shady voting rings have spies in here to avoid setting off the alarms though
 
3:28 PM
@JohnDvorak OP translated just now, but it still doesn't make much sense to me
 
"Because if the question doesn't get any attention in approx. 20 minutes then it will be down the list where no one wants to look" Sigh... Yeah, valid reason to create sock puppets.
 
Not sure if I would say that is a valid reason to create socks...
 
FR: disable the irrelevant boxes when the "nag me in x days" option is selected in the request generator
 
3:50 PM
^ Lots of high-rep folks answer stuff like that in C++. sigh
 
@JohnDvorak Which irrelevant boxes?
 
the exact text that won't be sent, and the two checkboxes that get added to said text
possibly something else too, but that is what I noticed
 
4:16 PM
@TylerH I like socks. They keep my feet warm when it's cold.
I'm happy to pay someone to create socks. The world would run out of socks if someone didn't create them.
 
I think I can find someone to knit some out of matrix printerpaper.
 
Comfy!
 
@JohnDvorak While the preview text that won't be sent is reasonable to adjust to just a Markdown conversion of the reason, I'd rather not remove it in its entirety. I've used the request reason to hold URLs associated with my reason for revisiting. Those are convenient to have rendered as a clickable link.
I've also at least put the marker "S", or "(SD report)" in my revisit notes when I've used a revisit to return to a post which I got to through an SD report. I don't recall if I actually used the "SD report" checkbox in any of those (I probably have at this point), but it's certainly recognized that the revisit reason contained text indicating that it's an SD report.
The initial concept for the revisits was that they would be used to set up a request which is sent here, days later. In fact, the initial implementation was just a request which was automatically sent, but, upon reflection, that was too prone to sending unneeded/no longer desired requests.
When you change the "Request Type", if the request reason for the new type is blank, then the "Request/Revisit reason" field is copied from the request type which you were previously viewing. If the request reason is then changed while the new request type is selected, the request reason for that type is stored separately.
So, you could just compose the request you plan to later send in the "revisit reason". Then, when you are taken to the page for the revisit, all that's necessary is to change the "Request Type" and the "Revisit Reason" is copied to the "Request Reason" (i.e. you've already seen the preview of the request which will be generated, but just with a different request-tag, so not as much review is needed).
So, the end of that is: I don't feel those UI elements are irrelevant in all use cases, although I can understand that they are for how you use the UI. Perhaps a solution which could encompass both use-cases is to have a user-settable option which allows those UI elements to be hidden/disabled for revisits, if the user doesn't want them.
 
You could render it as a read-only or disabled input. Helps avoid reflows while indicated that the fields don't matter.
 
@halfer Fleece is sometimes made from old recycled plastic bottles :)
 
4:30 PM
How often is the message prepared X days earlier still relevant when the time comes?
 
@JohnDvorak I'm not sure which fields you're talking about wrt. rendering as read-only. Are you only talking about only the SD report and NATO checkboxes?
 
I mean all three
 
@JohnDvorak I find that most of my revisits still have relevant information in the reason field when revisited.
At a minimum, it tells me why I wanted to look at the post again.
 
roger then.
 
4:52 PM
@halfer As Dumbledore said, one can never have too many socks
or was that gandalf...
 
@TylerH Yoda
 
ah yes
 
Or Squidward?
 
@TylerH I think it was Dobby
 
@halfer Scooby?
 
4:59 PM
@rene I was thinking of a brave house elf, but scaredy-cat dogs probably wear 'em too
 

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