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12:00 AM
also for full disclosure on my own part, I probably should say that I work for one of the companies discussed on the page, but not on anything mapping-related
yeah, it's partly difficult because the question is, in fact, off-topic (it's closed for that reason), so the normal heuristics for "is this a good answer" don't really apply
 
Can I pull together a crew to delete all of these so this can be deleted?
don't want a question that might be pulling in spam edits like that
 
It's community wiki, that's probably used by lots of users. It has 26K views.
 
It's also a collection of links that's closed.
 
Probably just needs to be locked.
 
I wish we could just freeze answer posts in find/rec posts for exactly this reason: people just continue to edit in the exact content we're trying to avoid.
*automatically
 
12:07 AM
There's a SE specifically for this: softwarerecs.stackexchange.com (with the caveat that I'm unfamiliar with what this community considers on-topic)
 
flagged.
SoftwareRecs does allow this stuff, but it's hardly responsive. I asked a question there and it didn't get a single view.
 
Yeah, I do sometimes feel like I'm kicking someone over to a place where no one is going to answer their question when I recommend, say, other-language SO sites :-\
 
Yeah, not a lot of people are experts in "what software is available for all possible tasks". It's hard to answer questions there, at least for me.
 
@mkrieger1 The user has since deleted the original, for whatever that's worth.
 
12:31 AM
The localized SO sites are actually somewhat active. From what I can tell, the Russian one is especially so.
 
1:06 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Why is this an "unnecessary duplicate"? The dup-targets have 1 and 3 duplicates. That's not even remotely a lot of duplicates. Usually, we want duplicates as signposts to make it easier to find the dup-targets.
 
 
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6:50 AM
slow Tuesday ...
 
7:20 AM
LICENSE.md and CONTRIBUTING.md files have been added to SOCVR's UserScripts GitHub repository. By contributing to the repository after 2020-04-15T00:00:00.000Z, you agree to license your contribution under the MIT license.
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If you are willing to license your already existing contributions to SOCVR's userscripts under the MIT license, please edit the LICENSE.md file, using the account under which you previously contributed, to add that GitHub username to the list at the end of that file.
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Obviously, we can't unilaterally apply a license to already existing contributions, so contributions made prior to the above date/time will continue to have no license, unless the original author indicates agreement to apply the MIT license to their existing contributions.
 
@Makyen I checked it also, but the question is bad it's really unclear for a "normal" programmer to even understand what OP is expecting, it took me a while to understand that OP expected that words[i].toCharArray() would give same result in each iteration (how can they expect that??). Anyway I would bet there are 1000 of duplicates where people are messing with variables in loop, conclusion deleting that seems fine.
 
@PetterFriberg OK. Thanks for checking.
 
7:36 AM
The answer to the title in question is probably a duplicate of this stackoverflow.com/questions/1647260/java-dynamic-array-sizes, but well if you point to different arrays it becomes a confusing typo/non understanding of basic code...
 
How to flag this which has a dupe target which doesn't have an answer posted as an answer?
 
answer one, then dupe :) or find another dupe.
 
@PetterFriberg You also have to get someone to upvote the answer, or the question OP to accept it. :)
 
I'm seeing a new design for the close dialog with no keyboard shortcuts, is it just me (and/or some pesky A/B testing)?
 
@tripleee There are new flag and CV dialogs network wide.
 
7:47 AM
is there a meta post about the lack of keyboard shortcuts?
 
I'm just now learning there were keyboard shortcuts in the first place
 
@Makyen true, but since no hurry a good answer sooner or later will get the upvote ;)
 
@PetterFriberg True. :)
@tripleee Not that I recall seeing.
 
@PetterFriberg I've nudged the poster who answered in comments to write up an answer.
 
great..
 
7:51 AM
I've upvoted at least an answer or two to make it a valid dupe target
 
@RyanM yeah but in this case there are no actual answers
 
oh I know, it was more of an affirmative response to "a good answer sooner or later will get the upvote"
 
@tripleee Thanks, it's been a couple/few hours since I checked meta. :;
 
8:19 AM
No more colours on the close vote dialogue either? I don't like all this loss of colours.
 
8:30 AM
@DavidBuck now they have
 
@tripleee Excellent
 
Did any of you come across a meta post about the exploding size of flag dialog pop-ups?
 
Zoe
9:17 AM
@Scratte the what?
 
@Zoe The exploding dialog boxes for low-rep users :) See chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/49105168#49105168
 
Zoe
huh
 
I think that's actually smaller than the one for high-rep users
Your screen looks small though
 
I'm trying to work out if I can override it with stylus, but I'm not a web-developer. So I'm struggling.
@RyanM It is. It's a laptop.. and it's not getting any bigger :) So I'd just like the second and third pop-up to have the same size as the first :)
 
Zoe
@Scratte It's relatively easy. See if you can find an ID for the dialogs
 
9:22 AM
@Zoe done (TylerH found that yesterday to fix the button order)
 
it should at least be centered but otherwise it's within the bounds of the screen and it's gonna inevitably cover most of the rest of the content
 
Zoe
Are the links here broken for anyone else?
 
@Zoe all 3 work for me
 
Zoe
dammit .-.
 
Me too.. they work
 
9:25 AM
@Zoe you configured your PC to block any legal stuff? Wise ...
 
Zoe
:P
I actually have no idea what's wrong
 
at risk of being a canned comment from a close-vote review, what's the -expected vs.- observed behavior?
pretend there's a strikethrough there
 
huh.
 
Zoe
/shrug
 
9:33 AM
\o Morning all
 
Zoe
tried flushing my DNS cache, but it turns out I don't have one. Switched over to CloudFlare instead, still the same problem. Something seems to be misconfigured, but I'm not sure where. dig git.io doesn't return an IP
 
Self fulfilling prophecies.
 
Zoe
and now they suddenly work xd
 
9:55 AM
@Zoe SERVER: 127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53) looks like you have some mdns or something in between yourself and the real DNS
dig git.io 8.8.8.8 should bypass 127.0.0.53 for the query itself but of course that doesn't do anything to get your browser to resolve it correctly
 
Zoe
I suddenly got the records tho. My browser used 1.1.1.1 explicitly through browser settings, so it has no excuse
 
Is there a Computer Science Stack Exchange site (distinct from both Stack Overflow and Software Engineering)? I thought there was, but can't now find it.
 
@halfer cs.stackexchange.com quite predictably
 
Ooh, ta
 
10:08 AM
Aha, I was looking in https://stackexchange.com/sites#technology, should have been looking in #science
Tanks are advancing, both
I was going to suggest the CS site as a good fit for this question, since it is asking about design patterns that affect whole classes of languages (stackoverflow.com/questions/61190210/…). Would it be a bad fit there?
 
I usually note that there is a site where a question might be more acceptable but that the OP should definitely read their help section before posting there
cs.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic looks vaguely encouraging but not spot on
 
@tripleee Definitely
"programming language semantics" maybe
 
 
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11:55 AM
I am voting to close this question as duplicate: stackoverflow.com/questions/19751354/… The answers are misleading and very wrong in my opinion. I would even consider removing it altogether. However, I see it has a lot of views and upvotes. (Even I upvoted one of them few years ago, I was so naive then). Are there better duplicates? Does anyone disagree with me?
Is there a better way of handling poor quality questions like this one? (No MCVE)
 
Zoe
@Dharman Those are two different questions though. one asks about importing through the command line, the other through PHP. Neither of them are a generic "how do I import an SQL file to MySQL?"
 
@Zoe I see no difference. Whether you execute the mysql command in CLI or through PHP the effect should be the same. The strangest thing is I have no idea what the original problem in the question was. There is not enough details. Where is the file located? Is it in the same directory?
 
Zoe
in that case, it's no MCVE, not a dupe
Also, the accepted answer doesn't touch the command line variant at all.
 
The answers are mostly rubbish.
 
Zoe
12:00 PM
That doesn't automatically make it a dupe tho
 
I am thinking of possible viewers. They googled their question and arrived here, so I want to point them to the correct answer.
 
I agree with Zoe on this one. While the OP is using PHP over CLI, the question title suggests any solution using PHP, which the answers provide
 
Zoe
It is still a correct answer
.. even though it uses mysql instead of mysqli, but what do you expect? It's an old question and an old answer
 
@Machavity True, but OP was on the right track and the answers are misleading. Why write an SQL parser in PHP if you can ask MySQL to import the file?
If you really can't use CLI, then you can use mysqli_multi_query
One of the answers suggests that
 
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Trying to read a massive dump file into PHP will fail (you'll run out of memory), but if you're doing small dump files, this is quite feasible
 
12:05 PM
Usually, I would have no second thoughts about closing as No MCVE and then deleting, but in this case I do not want to lose any value.
 
Zoe
@Dharman Why write an HTML parser when we can just load a browser?
Everything has its use
 
I can say from experiecence that I tried this solution back in the day and I know it didn't work for me, because SQL is not always using ; as an end of the line delimiter. To build a full SQL parser you need much more than explode(';', ...
Are you suggesting to leave this question alone? It feels sad to let new PHP coders into this. If the accepted answer was showing how to do this properly using CLI then I could live with it.
 
Zoe
okay, so go write a better answer
I have no idea what to do with it, but it ain't a duplicate
 
@Zoe I would be copying the contents from the thread I linked as a duplicate.
 
Zoe
@Dharman That's not from PHP tho
 
12:09 PM
and my answer, would never bubble up over the accepted answer.
@Zoe exec('mysql -u username -p database_name < file.sql', $out) Now it is.
 
Zoe
which you already know, because you edited it xd
 
and upvoted.
Here is another good one: stackoverflow.com/a/31036698/1839439
 
Zoe
So you upvote the good ones, downvote the awful ones, and leave a properly argued comment somewhere reasoning why the updated answer(s) should be used instead
 
12:23 PM
I added warning to the top 2 answers.
 
I flagged the tool link one as NAA
 
12:41 PM
@Machavity Which one? I think this is the only correct one, which suggests PDO
 
@Dharman This answer uses PDO
 
12:52 PM
@Machavity Yeah, but in my opinion this one is ten times worse. Why split the file and prepare/execute if you can load the file in one go?
 
1:06 PM
Looks like the latest SO update has broke the cv- check box in the Close dialog - github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues
 
It's annoying that the new modal doesn't show existing off-topic votes until you click into the off-topic section
maybe it's a consequence of my styles, actually... I hope they didn't make the number at the end just a span inside the option tag...
 
@TylerH It shows them to me
 
@Lankymart Sorry the link to the CV Request Generator issue should be - github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues/183
 
1:45 PM
I just installed Magicâ„¢ Editor 1.7.0.0 with Greasemonkey in Firefox 68.6.0esr (64-bit) and it's enabled, but there is no magic wand icon in the post editor, as advertised in github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts#users-guide. What do I have to do to use it?
 
@Dharman yep, it's probably the visibility: hidden I set in order to show a more accurate description
@mkrieger1 have you restarted your browser since install?
Also what version of GreaseMonkey are you using?
 
@TylerH Yes. Greasemonkey 4.9, from today.
 
There is a known issue w/ GreaseMonkey 4.x and Magic Editor github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues/168
I don't know much since I don't use GM or Magic Editor. @Makyen probably can help
 
Okay, thanks.
 
2:04 PM
@mkrieger1 FWIW I use ViolentMonkey instead of GreaseMonkey for my userscript needs
I think Makyen uses either that or TamperMonkey
 
@mkrieger1 Greasemonkey used to be great. Unfortunately, the change to WebExtensions which was forced by Mozilla, resulted in a complete rewrite. In the rewrite, the author of Greasemonkey chose to make some changes which make a significant number of scripts incompatible with Greasemonkey. Of the userscripts that I use for Stack Exchange, 30 of them are incompatible with Greasemonkey.
While it's possible that some of those incompatibilities will go away in future versions of Greasemonkey 4 (GM4), a significant number of them are caused by intentional breaking changes made in GM4. As such, GM4 will always have ongoing compatibility issues. The issues will present to users as either complete failures of the affected script, or partial failures. Affected scripts will require changes which can range from minor to a complete rewrite.
As such, for the vast majority of users, I recommend against using Greasemonkey 4. Tampermonkey and Violentmonkey are viable alternatives.
Note that it is the intent that MagicEditor will be made compatible with Greasemonkey 4, it just hasn't happened yet. The changes are not that bad for MagicEditor. There are several scripts I work on that have similar problems. I got side-tracked onto working on a general solution for them, rather than separate solutions.
 
2:23 PM
@Makyen Okay, thanks, I'll try Tampermonkey or Violentmonkey then. I also just installed Greasemonkey today and chose it because I liked the name and the icon more 🙉
 
Why are they monkeys?
 
@Scratte Monkey-patching?
 
@Dharman Never heard of that before. Sounds like hot-fix..
 
@Scratte No
Similar terms, but mean different stuff
 
@Dharman Hmm.. wikipedia isn't very helpful then.
 
2:32 PM
Monkey-patching is adding/modifying functionality for a single installation of an application. Hotfixing is applying a patch for a bug directly in a production system, usually as a temporary measure.
A hotfix could mean applying monkey-patch in certain situations. It doesn't mean always
 
Ok. Wikipedia seems to imply that the monkey-patching: "affecting only the running instance of the program"
 
@Scratte The original was Greasemonkey in Firefox. Greasemonkey was the standard which Tampermonkey was written to be compatible with (GM4 is not fully compatible with the old Greasemonkey (GM3 was the latest pre-WebExtensions)). I've assumed that Tampermonkey chose their name to indicate similarity to Greasemonkey. Violentmonkey was several years later. I assumed they chose the name to continue the naming trend.
@Dharman That's probably where the original name came from. The scripts, which were originally much less capable, are basically monkey-patches that are applied to live websites to get the sites to do or look like what you want, rather than just what the owner of the website wants.
 
dbc
2:49 PM
(Though I certainly hope they don't!)
 
@Makyen It never occurred to me that people would modify appearance or functionality of websites on their own system, until I got here.. :)
 
@Scratte The first site where I did substantial scripting work was Wikipedia, but the largest part of that was actually a browser extension (now defunct as a result of the Firefox change to WebExtensions). OTOH, Wikipedia has ways to add JavaScript to your profile, and various scripts in-page, including Lua, so userscripts aren't nearly as appropriate for Wikipedia.
 
4:01 PM
 
4:14 PM
What language is this?
 
ummm javascript?
 
JavaScript
 
I had a comment ready :) ..I'm assuming NAA still doesn't apply, right? I hit on Late Answers.
 
Correct, it's still an answer, just one that isn't useful
 
@Scratte DV for wrong answer. Moderators do not evaluate the technical correctness of answers when you flag them as "not an answer". :)
 
4:20 PM
..someone was faster than me, so I missed tick on the review. Not sure I agree with the decision though.
@Shree That is true. The meta guideline says to flag is VLQ, but I wasn't sure about that either.
 
As for my understand , VLQ is for gibberish post not for technical correctness .
 
@Shree I can find the guideline, if you'd like to see it. But I share your assessment, and I would not count on my flag being helpful.
 
Sure link pls
 
It's in this guideline. Search for "Is fundamentally inapplicable to the question".
 
4:43 PM
@Scratte IMO "Is fundamentally inapplicable to the question" if it's blatantly not a answer, not for technical correctness . It' depend upon Mod judgement and domain knowledge. I am not going to give VLQ for technical correctness . :)
IMO : Just DV and move on.
 
@Scratte That's interesting. The guidance used to be that answers to most "how to" questions which were given in a different programming language were just LQ, not VLQ. I would be surprised if a VLQ flag was upheld by a moderator on an answer that provides a solution in a different programming language to a "how to" question. However, that question is a debugging question, not a "how to" question. As such, the answer does not even attempt to address the actual question.
 
@Makyen Yes. I felt that this answer was a perfect example of the situation in the guideline. But.. I'm also aware that the flag would be declined. Nobody would know that I just followed the guideline.
 
5:10 PM
20k deletion not flaggable as NAA.
 
@Makyen I think I missed a reply of yours about an unnecessary dupe. I don't always add all duplicates that I find (or that are out there), but I've seen enough of them to know they exist (for that question or other posts I've submitted).
I lost the script for del-pls requests. Is it this thing or somewhere else?
 
5:30 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis There's an entry for the Request Generator on SOCVR's tools page. You want the alpha version, which isn't linked in the description in that README.md which you linked.
 
np
 
6:22 PM
!!/beer
 
@AdrianMole No such command 'beer'.
 
Stupid Bot.
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we used to have a lot of commands like that, we had to dissuade people from adding more when things got out of hand
 
I can imagine, actually! :)
 
@Zoe \o/
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole Do ambi people deserve what's left? :GWChadThinkEyes:
 
hehe
 
Yay, debugging in Visual Studio breaks my VPN connection. Wut
 
7:11 PM
Clever stuff, Visual Studio!
 
7:51 PM
@AdrianMole Hmm, not sure. I am two minor versions behind. I suppose I could try updating to 16.5. But it seems to be related to IIS Express causing the VPN to get confused or hijacking some ports or something.
 
Maybe it's installing some shady HTTPS certs to assist debugging, and your VPN barfs at that?
 
8:09 PM
Humph ... looks like google broke chrome on linux in new and wonderful ways - the cv-pls script is broken again. Oh, and good moaning all! /o
 
If there are any mods around, could they help this user with their deleted questions?
 
@tink Other than not showing the checkbox in the CV dialog, which was caused by SE changing their HTML and I'm working on fixing it now, is there something else not working? Until a fix is pushed, which shouldn't be too long, you should be able to open the cv-pls dialog and submit requests from there. You may need to adjust the automatically determined request reason, because SE also changed how that is handled behind the scenes.
 
@AdrianMole Sounds exactly like my situation, except without the Docker bits
I left a comment for OP to check for an update (since it's been 2 months). If he hasn't solved it already I'll likely bounty that Q
 
Well, there ya go! S.O. still working.
 
8:38 PM
@Makyen nope, cv-pls is still giving me (void) in hoverhelp
clicking the link doesn't do anything
 
@Makyen the script no longer picks up specific site-specific close reasons
 
Every time I see "just looking for a bit of clarification if someone could help me out", I am wondering if I should ask "if someone could not help you out, are you not just looking for a bit of clarification?"
 
heh @halfer
 
@halfer lol
 
Of all the people who should understand conditionals, I would have thought programmers would not be such a disappointment. Bah!
 
8:49 PM
Even programmers fall prey to the 'do what I mean, not what I say' mentality
 
I fear that the main site is now stuck in Eternal September.
 
@JohnDvorak Thank you for mentioning it. Yes, that's the part that SE changed behind the scenes. Basically, they changed how they communicate to one of their private endpoints. The script listens to the traffic to/from that endpoint, as it's where it can get the information that a close-vote was made and was successful, particularly if it's transmitted from something other than interaction with the CV dialog.
@tink OK. I'm not really sure what that description means is happening.
@TylerH That's why we do testing...
 
@Makyen Trust, don't test!
 
@TylerH :)
 
oh snap, Unheilig did 40 reviews today
they haven't done a CVQ review in years
 
9:13 PM
^ Probably checking out the new UI. They made a post on Meta complaining about the change in Triage.
 
possibly
 
@Makyen clicking cv-pls does nothing. in the "status bar" in the bottom left corner of the browser it just says: javascript: void(0)
 
bummer because I have been closing the gap between the two of us quite fast... hope they don't start reviewing daily again X-D
 
@TylerH They have been doing Late Answer several days in a row :) Someone else was getting close to the top spot though.
 
General tip: searching for "COVID" or "quarantine" on the main site reveals an awful lot of closeable/editable material.
 
9:25 PM
@halfer we did do a scrub last week of that content
a lot of the instances of "quarantine" refer to AV stuff, but we did cover I believe everything that mentioned COVID-19 or quarantine in a non-substantive way
as for quality, well, editing can't help that in many cases :-)
do we need to do another scrub?
 
@TylerH I don't think we need a particularly coordinated effort
I'm running several of my LQ detector phrases, seems to be a lot of it at the mo.
 
@TylerH I think there's a strange sentence in your post on meta.
 
@Scratte which?
 
@halfer It's going to be a reoccurring problem so long as the situation lasts. Informal purges like the one @TylerH initiated the other day will likely keep things under control.
... glad karantæne! ;P
 
@TylerH "The main reason we don't people to post answers to duplicate questions is not reputation gain." I can't edit on meta. Link: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/396635/12695027
 
9:40 PM
can you provide a link? :-)
Thanks; fixed
 
@AdrianMole Heh.. that doesn't work in Danish. It means the quarantine itself is happy :D Google is not always right. I was about to reply with "Fjollehoved", but Google doesn't get it.
 
Well, that's Google Translate for you.
 
@Scratte Who can say? :=)
If the quarantine can be anthropomorphised, maybe it is having a giggle right now.
 
making a few bucks, too!
 
@halfer Just scrubbed "quarantine" again (or delete voted)
unfortunately there are way more COVID ones...
 
9:47 PM
@TylerH Good work {thumbs up}
 
this time it was easier and more Qs seem to mention it in different ways
last week, most of them were all "happy quarantine" signatures...
all the questions with COVID in them up through April 8th have been checked
that leaves pages 1,2, and some of 3 from this query stackoverflow.com/… if anyone else wants to go through
 
@TylerH Howcome no delete-pls?
 
@AdrianMole the ones I saw that I felt should be deleted will roomba or already had one/some
 
OK - you're lucky @Dharman is not here!
 
9:55 PM
huh
 
... or are they? (Sorry, your 'presence' icon was deeply faded.)
 
I am always there in the corner...lurking
I hear there's stuff to be deleted.
Where is it?
 

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