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6:28 AM
I have commented on one of my close-votes, so that OP understands. That means I am already too involved to propose it for close-voting here, doesn't it?
 
6:51 AM
@Yunnosch I don't think a comment makes you involved
 
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@Yunnosch don't think so: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-requests-youre-involved: For questions and answers: You are "involved" in the question and all answers to the question if you are the author of the question or the author of any non-deleted, non-community-wiki answer on the question.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:12 AM
@Yunnosch No, just a comment doesn't make you "involved". I'm not sure where you would get the impression that it would. People leave comments on questions which they vote to close and post cv-pls requests in here all the time. The system even posts a comment for you when you are the first person to vote to close as duplicate of a particular dup-target.
@Yunnosch I'd be interested in knowing what gave you the impression that a comment would make you involved. Was it something in the FAQ? If so, it would be helpful to know what it was, so we can clarify it in the text.
 
 
3 hours later…
11:30 AM
Why was it reported three times?
 
3 instance is running. I just put other's on stand by mode on charcoal.
 
 
2 hours later…
1:19 PM
Morning
 
1:30 PM
@Yunnosch The general principle behind "involved" means you've done something where you can gain/lose reputation. So if you answer a question and ask us to close it or delete another answer, that stands to benefit you (even indirectly)
Comments cannot gain or lose reputation
 
1:42 PM
fp feedback on autoflagged post: I have the following database in sql: [MS]
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector, @ArtOfCode, @Stormblessed
 
1:57 PM
^my bad, hit wrong flag (though, I guess close = close as this'll most likely get deleted)
 
2:59 PM
 
3:40 PM
@Makyen Two non-100% reasons for worrying (i.e. not believing) I might be involved after just a comment: a) with my first attempt I missed the involvement rule, though I was b) I am totally fine with being considered involved with the kind of commenting I sometimes do. These two reasons probably make me a little paranoid. Because I really believe in only proposing cvs here if NOT involved. I just am calibrating my compass. Thanks for caring about my worries.
@Machavity Interesting meter, "no involvement if no rep". I will keep that in mind. I still feel however, that commenting is possible to the point where an OP would consider me involved, if they knew about my cv proposal here. That is what makes me sometimes consider myself involved.
 
4:00 PM
@Machavity Interesting. How do you know? (This is about me learning, not about questioning you.)
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 10 mins ago, by Das_Geek
@SmokeDetector spam- The user lists themselves as "Owner of Pacific Northwest Products". According to a quick Google search, which gave this linkedin page the owner of "Pacific Northwest Products" and "Legendary Fishing Rods" are the same. This still might be a genuine question about their own site, but I doubt it
 
I see. Makes sense. Thanks.
 
M--
4:16 PM
@eyllanesc is this still valid?
 
4:33 PM
@M-- Yes, it is still valid, although the code is no longer an image but text those pieces of code are far from being an MRE
 
4:46 PM
@Yunnosch Perhaps we should use a word other than "involved". I'm open to suggestions. Just by the fact that we vote to close a question, there is some level of involvement. The issue we are attempting to address is to prevent requests when there might be a either a perception on the part of others that there might be some motivation for the request other than as a normal moderation action and quality control, or an actual motivation that is something other than doing what's best for SO.
 
oh dear god they changed the font color for visited links
 
Is it...slightly darker now?
I can barely make out a difference
 
It's purple now
It used to be #0064bd, but now it's #5c08c3
and it's due to inline styles overriding primary.css... double ew
 
For me it's still #0064bd
Oh, I only looked at primary.css. But links don't look purple to me
Yeah, it doesn't look like the value is getting overridden
 
This is what I see: i.stack.imgur.com/Xc0Z2.png
 
5:02 PM
Isn't it userscript change from these days?
 
This is what I should see: i.stack.imgur.com/noE8k.png
@Vega Maybe, but I did a quick check for :visited in userscripts I have and came up empty
oh wait, there's another one by SamLiew that I didn't check
 
5:16 PM
@Vega Thanks; bug filed
 
@Makyen I very much appreciate your openess towards improvement. But I see myself as the new guy in the playground. Not going to propose rule changes now. I will develop an opinion on that. Currently I think "do not be involved and then propose here" is a more positive, less blame-implying thing than anything which more clearly expresses "do not game the system by misusing this" (which is what I think you are saying is the background here).
Hmm, OK, mabye I do have a proposal: "Only use this for drawing atention to questions which should be closed. Avoid the impression that this is a tool for any other maneuvering for supporting personal goals."
"rule changes" read "rule rephrasings"
I am contradicting myself multiple times within four lines... Ignore me.
 
clicks 'ignore this user' on Yunosch's profile :D
 
5:36 PM
@Yunnosch FWIW, we do detail what "involved" means in our FAQ/rules: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-requests-youre-involved
 
6:04 PM
 
M--
@Ruzihm I don't think this is valid anymore, right?
 
6:29 PM
While I appreciate the sentiment, I think he missed my point
 
7:19 PM
@tink I personally draw the line at primarily. Linux is not primarily used by programmers, so unless you're asking a question about programming Linux, it's off-topic. Conversely, Visual Studio and Eclipse and other IDEs are primarily used by programmers in their professional capacity, so questions about those are on-topic, even if it's something as basic as changing the color scheme.
 
Ack, phone won’t let me edit :(
 
Edit what, @EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica? :-p
@Machavity What's going on with this? In particular, why did you and several others indicate that is a false positive? It isn't. Questions filled with all 1s are abusive, and should be flagged as such.
 
@CodyGray It was the OP responding to their own question. It's about the only exception I make for those. I don't think we should red-flag out what appears to be a confused newbie
 
@CodyGray Had I not had any other context, a R/A flag is what I would have done. However, the user asked a proper question in an answer post on that same thread. It appeared to be more of an honest mistake by someone new to the site than someone intentionally subverting the rules
 
The report was for the question, as far as I can tell, not the answer.
And...just because you feel bad for a confused user doesn't mean that the automatic detection process is broken.
That someone is confused doesn't make it a false positive.
 
7:31 PM
I debated just giving it a tp feedback because it "technically" is something we'd want a system-wide block for, but there was some strong reasoning given by Makyen on why they gave the feedback they did
 
Oh it needed removal (I helped make it happen) but I try not to red-flag what could be honest mistakes
It wasn't vandalized so I didn't tp- either
 
I can see the possible gray area on posts that contain nonsense to get around the length/quality filter, but...that's not what happened here.
This post's entire body was gibberish.
 
They posted the question as an answer
 
I don't see what that has to do with anything. The flag was on the question.
@Makyen asked in Charcoal HQ for some Meta confirmation that "rude/abusive" is appropriate in these cases. I can deliver. See: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234032/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58032/…
From that last answer: "Abuse of the system or community is everything that is created with the intention to harm them. This includes posts by new users that contain no useful content at all – i.e. gibberish posts along the lines of: asdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasd"
(inb4 who even is that guy, he has no authority)
 
doesn't even have a diamond...pfft
 
7:37 PM
The luster has not yet worn off from where there was once a diamond.
 
I agree that Shog's post would have covered that post if there wasn't an answer as well. I would argue that the answer on their question counts as additional info and thus Shog's qualifier of "contains no useful content at all" doesn't apply anymore.
I will qualify my own statements that I am on the side of R/A flagging partial-gibberish posts if their intent is clearly to get around content filters, but I also don't think either of the Meta links you gave fully support those kinds of actions
 
Two different things to unpack there. In reverse order, regarding R/A on partial gibberish designed to get around content filters, you are overthinking it, which is exactly what Shog says not to do. If the intent is to evade system-imposed restrictions, it's abusive.
But that has nothing whatsoever to do with this case, because this isn't someone just padding with nonsense to get around filters. This is someone who posted nothing but nonsense.
Posts are evaluated independently. That the answer, or a comment, or a post-it note on your desk contains useful information doesn't mean that the question contains any useful information.
 
I agree with what Shog's saying. I gave the feedback I did because I don't believe it was an attempt to evade system-imposed restrictions.
 
@CodyGray But, it contained a title, which the user appeared to believe was their entire question. I quite agree that it was a bad question, I'm just unsure that we should be red-flagging this out; if that is something which SmokeDetector should be doing; and if it's something that SmokeDetector should be doing on all sites.
While I am less concerned about a question like this, which actually had no body content (but a valid title), I'm more concerned with questions which have a valid title, some body content, particularly code, and then junk text as non-code text filler to get around the minimum non-code content filter.
At least in the past, the view that had been taken was that questions which contained junk text to get around the minimum non-code text quality filter should either be edited into shape, if possible, or closed then deleted, without red-flags.
 
You once said to me that the determination of "fp" and "tp" was best based on the answer to the following question: if this algorithm was enabled at a system-level as a block, would we want this content getting blocked outright? That's the decision rule that I currently use, and I find it extremely handy.
 
7:43 PM
Yeah, that definition is what gave me pause in deciding. By that guideline alone, it should be tp
 
I am very puzzled at why everyone keeps assuming that this post is somehow comparable to posts that contain some content and then filler text. It doesn't contain any content.
 
How would we have treated the question if the entire content of the body was just a restatement of the title? That's all that the answer was.
 
@CodyGray "Linux is not primarily used by programmers" Not sure I follow what you mean. In my experience if someone is using Linux, they're most likely a programmer.
 
@CodyGray fair enough. So - what about emacs? ;)
 
@Makyen I'd have to say that's different, that it's just a regular old low-quality question. But that wasn't the case; in this case, the entire body of the post was just gibberish. I guess what I'm having trouble with is folks using the answer to justify the question. I don't see how that is relevant, and I don't think it's a good general guideline, because you shouldn't have to read all of the answers to know that a question is gibberish.
@TylerH I...what? Are you serious?
 
7:48 PM
@CodyGray Yes
 
@CodyGray Yes, and there is a good argument that the feedback to SD should be TP. The problem with that is that not everything that is TP should be autoflagged with red-flags, but those systems are tightly coupled. The main purpose of me giving FP feedback was to initiate SD's process of notifying users that they should manually look at the post and decide for themselves if they want to have red-flagged.
 
Oh that's right; the post was autoflagged
 
In fact, one of the most popular ways to use Linux is without a GUI
 
@TylerH A way I'll defend religiously
 
I think this is another one of those cases where folks are getting hung up on implementation details, specifically, the fact that the system imposes a penalty for red flags. We wouldn't be having this discussion if it got automatically flagged as VLQ, so we shouldn't be having this discussion about R/A. The flaggers aren't supposed to make judgments about the appropriateness of penalties, only about the appropriateness of the flag.
 
7:49 PM
and yet
 
@TylerH Yes. But the vast majority of people who use such systems are not programmers.
I'm the only programmer who works for my company, but we use plenty o' Linux.
 
Do you distinguish "programmer" from "person who sometimes programs"?
 
@CodyGray What Makyen is trying to say is that Smokey used autoflags on the post, and Makyen gave fp feedback to notify the autoflaggers that they might not want to keep their flags on it
 
Desktop Linux also now has its highest market share ever, of something like 2% :-)
 
Probably should have changed to tp once that was resolved
I will change mine, I think
 
7:52 PM
@Das_Geek Hmm... okay. So doing non-semantic things in order to effect a result that is tightly coupled in the backend implementation. Yeah, that is...a hack. Sorry, I was not figuring that approach out at all.
 
@CodyGray While I do feel that the entirety of what the OP has provided should be looked at, I agree that in this case the answer isn't relevant, because it was only a exact copy of the question title, which to me is effectively identical to the OP just duplicating the title in the question body.
 
@CodyGray Have you seen Smokey's code? It's a lot of hacks :)
 
@AndrasDeak Not really. I find this conclusion that primarily programmers use Linux to be mindboggling.
@Das_Geek I have not. It's not written in a language that I speak.
 
@CodyGray Well if you ever learn to parse Pythonic programs, take a look at some of the regexes. They're, ah, very fun
 
I don't have an opinion on the matter. I'd be inclined to agree with "primarily tech people use Linux", and perhas people tend to equate tech people with programmers, because computers
 
7:54 PM
Clearly anyone who uses a terminal must be a l33t hAx0r
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see also "Hi, Billy, my favourite grandchild! I know you like computers, what's wrong with my internet?"
 
@AndrasDeak Maybe? I mean, there are a whole heck of a lot of sysadmins who use Linux. I don't consider sysadmins to be programmers. That's a massive abuse of the definition ("oh, they program the computer to operate on a network!")
 
@CodyGray *throws in devops to further confusion*
 
Yeah, I tell my family I charge $50 an hour, half hour minimum to fix anything. No requests since then; Googling must have gotten suddenly easier.
 
@AndrasDeak "The 8" floppy it was on is broken"
 
7:57 PM
@AndrasDeak And don't even get started on DevSecOps
Eventually, all jobs will be condensed into one position: Resident Tech Person
 
I've never heard of DevSexOps. Oh, oops.
@Das_Geek Hey! That's my job!
 
flags message for moderator attention
@CodyGray Welcome to the club!
 
I don't like this club.
 
@CodyGray I would definitely bet that "the vast majority" of users are programmers (meaning here not just programmers by profession but people who also do it for fun, people who just do it sometimes, or people who just normally use the computer but via CLI), but I would also cede that the half + 1 metric is not necessarily just programmers but also probably "IT or IT-esque power users".
 
I just got a call from someone selling Internet and telephone services. Apparently they decided I am the right person to talk to about that at my company. Um, why? Because I'm the only one who knows how to use a computer?! I do software development and design embedded hardware. I do not want to do IT.
 
7:59 PM
@CodyGray srsly?
 
At my job, we have one person who is "volun-told" to be network admin for the internal labs, since we don't have a fulltime person to do that.
This person gets rotated every now and again as contracts change around
It makes for very consistent topography, as you might imagine
 
@CodyGray It's a wholly owned subsidiary of expertsexchange
 
ugh
Time to move to the land of silly hats for this discussion
 
Hah, made you join @CodyGray
 
8:02 PM
I see a link, I click on it.
 
I was cured of that habit working with Smokey. To many, ah, experts' exchanges to maintain that safely at work.
 
Yeah, I don't really do that. I don't know what I was thinking. Although I do have to look at an awful lot of stuff I don't want to look at while moderating this site.
 
Yeah, always fun
 
You lose focus after a while
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Too many terrible blogsites with awful CSS. It really gets to you after a while
 
8:07 PM
Too much PHP
 
@rene Well if that happens, be sure to stop and smell the flowers along the way. Really helps you remember what's important
 
@CodyGray Needs more cowbell?
 
@LynnCrumbling What doesn't?
 
HAHAHA
 
@Das_Geek "awful CSS" is redundant :-)
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8:18 PM
@TylerH link:visited = #5c08c3 ;)
 
^ OP just confirmed this is a typo. It works now.
 
8:36 PM
What is charles proxy? Is it on-topic?
I'm asking because these questions don't look particularly on-topic to me. stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/charles-proxy?tab=Active
 
Oh, Mr Charles Proxy. Good guy. Jolly old chap.
 
@Dharman I’m gonna agree that most of those do not look on-topic to me.
Wow, that one got one heck of a nice looking answer.
 
Migrate?
 
To where? Where are SEO questions on-topic?
migrated to null.stackexchange.com
 
8:43 PM
@dur This doesn't ask for off-site resources.
 
@dur Seems like a trivial edit fixes the resource request problem. Please re-evaluate. (It may still be that the question is too broad. I’m not sure; this is outside of my expertise.)
 
I decided to ask Mr. Charles Proxy to leave
 
@CodyGray It's on-topic on Webmasters. They list SEO as their first subject. Up to you, tho
 
Mr Charles Proxy has really entrenched himself. My fingers are getting tired.
@Machavity Good to know. I didn’t know they allowed SEO questions. I guess I won’t migrate it, since I’ve lost the link now :-)
I wonder if someone has written a script to make things like this easier.
 
9:03 PM
The link if you are serious about migration. I am not really sure whether it can be considered for migration.
 
@Das_Geek yep, that's some awful CSS for sure!
 
@Dharman Thanks. I am serious about most things. I do think that looks like a reasonable question, especially with that spammy link edited out.
 
@Dharman resource requests don't necessarily have to specify off-site to be off-topic. The wording used leaves a lot to desire. Of course, this one has been edited to remove the entire sentence so it's not requesting any kind of resources, off-site or otherwise
But in general, a request for resources is inherently a request for 'off-site' resources. If the resource is on-site, it's probably in the form of another question that has an answer, in which case it would likely best be closed as a duplicate.
 
@TylerH Yeah, I mean even before Cody's edit I read it as asking for some code example. It could be too-broad, but not off-topic IMO.
 
Yes, I agree. The resource request close reason is sometimes misused/misunderstood. Before you close as resource request, look to see if there’s any way you can salvage the question with an edit, changing it to ask for something that can be answered on this site.
Resource request is really best suited for questions like, “Where can I download Visual Studio?” and “Can someone recommend a front-end web framework for my next project?”
 
9:13 PM
Actually, the former is an official-resource-request, endorsed by Shog9 - and the latter is OB (formerly POB)
 
Wait, really? Because Microsoft is always moving stuff around and breaking links, so it’s considered an essential public service?
 
@CodyGray No, any request for official location of anything, e.g. specs of languages, is OK (per Shog circa 2018 or early 2019)
because such things inarguably provide value. The issue with resource requests in general (why they're not allowed) is that people will post links to some random application for 'recommendations' or maybe off-site/3rd party copies of a spec with wrong information or editorialized content
Here's where it started:
in Trogdor, Jul 10 '18 at 16:48, by Shog9
Quick note, @Bhargav: I see a lot of folks going after these "what's the canonical download for [tool|library]" posts as resource-requests. I think that's kinda short-sighted; as long as they don't degrade into "ok, screw canonical, just give me a link to a shady host where I can download a malware-clogged zip file" they're unquestionably useful.
 
Shog who?...
 
Hmm, that strikes me as odd. I mean, there’s a big difference between, “What does the C++ standard say about enum type conversion?”/“Where is the text in the C++ standard about enum type conversion?” versus “Where can I find a link to the C++ standard?”
 
@CodyGray especially since the latter will rot
 
9:19 PM
Right. Anything that just solicits links is going to rot, and as far as I understood, the real intended use for that close reason.
 
@CodyGray I would wager a guess that Shog was thinking more "On the C++ standards group website <website URL here>. The direct link is here <direct URL>" rather than "this URL <url here>"
 
Link rot is an argument, but things can break because of language versions etc., too
 
@JohnDvorak answers can be dated, links less so
 
Version changes don’t break things. They render them obsolete perhaps, except that people still use old versions.
 
What worked in C++11 is constant
 
9:20 PM
@AndrasDeak That’s what’s great about legacy systems.
 
Anyway, if the moderator team wants to have that discussion anew with new CMs, they may well come to a different conclusion. The flip side is you are inviting CMs to directly interject and say "allow this type of question too" that we don't want but that CMs didn't really have a good way to state before...
 
jQuery 1.9 obsoleted a lot of stuff from earlier versions and 1.10 straight up nuked them from orbit.
Not sure about the exact version numbers
 
@JohnDvorak retroactively from 1.8?
 
@TylerH No, I don’t want to have a new discussion, and I don’t want to open that precedent forCMs. Shog wasn’t doing that, anyway. He was discussing with a community where he was a respected expert, the same as you or I would.
 
@JohnDvorak Did an answer that said "in jquery 1.8 you can foo the bar" suddenly become incorrect?
 
9:22 PM
I doubt that most people stated the version
 
@CodyGray an elegant person for a more civilized age
 
in fact, I believe quite a few people kept endorsing the deleted stuff even after 1.10 had came out
 
@AndrasDeak Thanks for the compliment. I believe I am quite elegant. :-)
 
@CodyGray Sure, and I prefer that method of course
 
@JohnDvorak then they were wrong. My point is that "X feature in Y language" might change or become obsolete. "X link on Y webpage" will rot away eventually
 
9:24 PM
@AndrasDeak well any answer will rot away eventually...
 
not necessarily
 
even if it takes til the eventual heat death of the universe
 
nevermind
 
:-)
 
MDN links are pretty stable methinks
 
9:24 PM
Yeah, anything that provides a diff-able revision history is usually pretty reliable
 
Funny, because MSDN links are just about the most unstable links ever.
 
seconded only by OneTimeSecret?
 
Your thinking about SAP links
 
I do like that docs.microsoft.com is GitHub based, I just wish they had put in the effort to link old pages directly to the new replacement page. So many old MSDN links go to the default docs.microsoft.com page for the technology... absolutely useless
 
And don’t even get me started on all the bug reporting services MS spins up and then retires, without bothering to export the issues and/or preserve archived versions.
 
9:27 PM
However I did discover a website the other day that served that purpose... but I think I bookmarked it at home. can't find the link here at work
 
I have tons of old answers with broken links to Microsoft Connect, or even to knowledge base articles. It’s truly amazing how you can break links to numbered KB articles.
 
Time to start automatically waybacking any links outbound to MSDN?
 
A link to function documentation going down is less significant, because assuming the answer is decently written, you can just search again for the name.
@NathanOliver Wait...was that answer posted before the q was migrated from SU?
 
@CodyGray No
 
Oh, no. Dates don’t match. And posting account doesn’t exist on SU.
 
9:34 PM
It happened 2 minutes after it migrated to SO
 
@NathanOliver It wasn't very rude. Was the report deserved?
 
Sigh. Just hit a fun bug.
 
@Dharman Yes.
 
System tells me, “you have already flagged this post for moderator attention”
 
@CodyGray What happened? I saw the spam went away
 
9:37 PM
I saw that the answer was deleted, and Smokey complained when I tried to flag through its interface, but I was able to see it when clicking on the direct link (not anymore)
 
@NathanOliver It went away, then it came back.
 
Weird. It now shows deleted by community and you, and the flag was helpful. That's a lot of moderation ;)
 
I flagged it as R/A, so it went away. I then evaluated the q and all the comments, determined it didn’t have enough info to fully debug (needs MCVE and compiler command line), so I closed it. That rejected the migration from SU and returned the q there. I thought that was wrong, so I cleared the migration history.
That unlocks and reopens the question. Which was fine, I then reclosed it. But it seems to have also undeleted and unlocked the previously R/A flagged answer. That seems like a bug.
 
Interesting.
 
Oh well, I tried to just reflag it. But of course I can’t because I’ve already flagged it. It seems mods aren’t exempt from that. Which I guess makes sense. The problem is, the system still thinks it’s flag-deleted as R/A. The flags are still marked helpful, so it won’t let me reflag.
So all I could do at that point was delete it. Which worked. So the flags are still marked helpful, the system still thinks it’s spam (because anything deleted with a pending spam/abusive flag is seen that way, whether or not it is flag-deleted or not).
But now deletion is a joint effort between me and the bot.
 
dur
9:46 PM
@Dharman There was an edit, see historie. Now, the close reason is gone.
 
Wow that seems...complicated
 
@AdrianHHH I'd recommend changing that if it's a password just in case anyone saw it
(ROs and mods do have the ability to read deleted messages)
 
Not on mobile… so you’re safe for the next few minutes at least ;-)
 
We're like Santa, but only for one place ;)
 
Thanks TylerH. That is one of the wonders of a password saving program. Sometimes it hiccups.
 
9:52 PM
I've done that by accident. Dangers of having chat open in one monitor and a terminal in another
^^That Smokey report is just the user copying 100% the answer of another.
Hm
Maybe I should re-change my feedback to fp and mod flag?
 
dur
@CodyGray Thank you for the edit. However, I agree, it still looks too broad. I wouldn't mind, if OP at least did some research.
 
Yup, their answers are copy-pastes of other people's stuff. Mod flag time
 
Seems to be doing this because they are angry
 
@Das_Geek Yeah... effective moderation sometimes requires that you become an expert in all nuances of the system's implementation.
 
@Dharman Yeah. I mentioned the R/A content and suggested suspension in my mod flag
 
9:59 PM
@AdrianHHH Back on desktop now. Hey, at least it was a secure password! :-)
 
I just used password "Guest". I am using Hotel WiFi
 
Nice!
One of the best passwords I've seen was a series of words that you would only know if you were an actual member of the organization. Very private, and quite long....and a pain to type out on a phone lol
 
OurCEOWearsTightyWhities
 
@CodyGray My wife was accessing a site and it said "password expired" then she tried to create something new and ... she sometimes has problems with entering passwords etc on her laptop. I have learned to keep many of her passwords on my laptop.
 
@CodyGray Well, hey there, brother! Didn't know you were a Stone Cutter, too!
 
10:06 PM
@AdrianHHH And now you're sharing them with us for an extra layer of convenience? Makes sense. In case you're busy, we can always help her out.
 
Thanks for the offer.
 
Yeah just type her passwords in this chat, and we can evaluate them for you and tell you how secure they are.
As a side note, I was doing an internal "pentest" for my company, and one of my coworkers was using hunter2 for their VM account. I appreciated the meme, at least
 
Her computer and my password program both give an assessment of the passwords. But I suspect that they do not check them against dictionaries.
 
Yeah, password assessment metrics can vary in their effectiveness. There are lots of papers on the subject. There are so many ways a hacker could approach the cracking job, it's very hard to create a model that fits all the likely cases
 
10:12 PM
@CodyGray Lol, I saw that one
I put quotes around the word "pentest" because it really was more of a security analysis. We were testing out...let's say the "hashing capabilities" of some recent purchases. What better way than to try out some hashes of passwords to some virtual machines hosted on an airgapped network?
 
10:26 PM
at my job pentesting is when I try to find a pen that still works
 
@AndrasDeak This is why you bring your own, carried neatly in your triple-layered pocket protector
 
11:18 PM
@M-- Still seems not reproducible. Haven't gotten a chance to actually use the code though.
 
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Q: This tag is so ambguous that we have no [choice] but to burninate it

EJoshuaS - Reinstate MonicaThe choice tag has 456 questions and no tag usage guidance. It's used for everything from dropdown menus in various languages to XSD to Numpy. That being said: This tag is highly ambiguous It does NOT mean the same thing in all common contexts It does not add anything valuable to the question...

 

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