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3:15 AM
@Nkosi The answer to that is actually pretty good.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I agree the answer was pretty good. I how ever could not come up with a way to edit the question so that it did not come across as opinion based.
I pondered on it a bit before vtc as it is a topic I follow closely
 
@Nkosi How about if the question at the end is something like "What are the trade-offs between high-performance and SOLID architecture?" Something like that could work maybe.
 
@cigien That comes across as a bit broad.
In the end I am thinking that it is better suited for software engineering site
 
Yeah, I think you're right. I'm not sure if it can be whipped into shape.
 
There's no rule that says that one must close a post just because it can be closed.
 
3:32 AM
That is factually correct. I assume you are not just stating facts for their own sake, and you have a point? ;)
 
From your meta translation post it seems users are close voting from their feelings. One can also not close vote from a feeling. So if you come across a post you think is pretty decent with a good answer, then why close vote it? Why not just pass?
 
@Scratte I disagree that users have closed this post based on their feelings. Even if they have, the stated close reason is valid. I agree that one can pass on closable questions if one likes them. In fact, this recent post seems quite popular and several users (myself included) have stated in the comments that while it is off-topic we wouldn't mind leaving it open (and most of the comments are from users who are not shy about closing things).
OTOH, the question has been closed anyway, and while that is unfortunate, no one is disputing the closure. At least I'm not going to tell anyone they shouldn't close the post because I have a nice feeling about it. And I'm not going to vote to reopen either.
 
I didn't say they have closed this post based on their feelings. I said users closed your post based on their feelings.
 
3:48 AM
@Scratte I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about my post. Yes, voting to close that one is incorrect, because there were no valid close reasons that could be applied. That topic has been discussed quite thoroughly, and the both of us at least are in agreement over it. I thought from the way you brought it up, that you were referring to the post in Nkosi's request.
 
No. I was making a comparison on feelings over closing a post and feelings over not closing a post. And while I think closing a post only due to feelings is wrong, I do not think not closing a post due to feeling is wrong.
 
Ah, I see. Yes, I agree completely. Your original comment suggested to me that you think someone did something wrong with that post, so I was trying to clarify that. It seems like you just wish they had done something else instead.
 
Yes. I'm not saying it was wrong to close it. I just wish everybody had just let it pass instead :)
Is this a rollback candidate? It seems to have undergone a strange transformation. I didn't understand my own comment.
 
4:16 AM
@Scratte Yes. Not because of the comment of course, but because the edit invalidates existing answers.
 
You mean you weren't concerned that my comment was invalidated? :P
 
Oh, I was heartbroken ;) I was just pointing out that it's not a valid reason to rollback.
 
I like the last comment on the Question :)
 
Yeah, and useful enough that it's not NLN :)
 
I am disappointed that none of the Answer mentions the error that java til through.
I was going to delete my comment.. but. Not sure now..
Hmm.. so it's possible to delete a duplicate target. The banner stays on the duplicate. How very.. error prone.
 
4:41 AM
@Scratte It's not supposed to be possible for regular users to do so. IIRC, it is possible for moderators or the Community user (e.g. Roomba) to do so.
 
I'm using the Request generator userscript and it's warning me that a post may not qualify for a cv-pls because of no recent activity. But there's activity 30 days ago, what's up with that?
 
I'm guessing it was probably closed and deleted by Roomba then
@cigien That's probably just the maintainer being very busy with other things :) The old threshold was 14 days, if I remember correctly.
 
Ah, the post itself is very old. That might be it.
 
5:18 AM
@cigien It's effectively impossible for us to respond without more information. Basically: cv-pls: no MCVE.
@Scratte Hmmmm... I thought I'd pushed an update which changed that check to 6 months. I'll have to double check.
 
@Makyen It could be that you did push it and someone hasn't updated :)
I thought this was a "Not an Answer", but I've been told it was flagged some times back. Not sure I understand how it's not "Not an Answer"
 
@Makyen Sorry, you're right. This is the image I saw. When I clicked Send there was another pop up saying basically the same thing (I didn't take a screenshot of that). This is for the cv-pls request I made in my last message. repoen-pls :)
Oops, it appears I want my question repoened :p
 
5:35 AM
@cigien Thanks. It looks like the issue is that I haven't pushed that change, so the issue is on me.
 
@Makyen Ok, thanks for checking. But Scratte already gave me the answer, so I think your answer should be deleted ;)
 
:)
@Scratte The old time period for what was considered "recent activity" was not explicitly specified. The userscript currently issues a warning if there is no activity for 30 days. The change is currently expected to be that a warning will be issued if there's no activity for 6 months + 7 days.
 
Is this question on-topic? stackoverflow.com/q/62940767/11573842
@Scratte told me that when 2 answers are very close to one another it automatically raises a flag. So, if I come across 2 exactly same answers; should I bother to flag them?
 
5:55 AM
@Yatin They have to be verbatim identical.
 
@Yatin Two answers posted by the same user which are identical will have a flag automatically raised.
 
@Yatin If they're both "Not an Answer" then flag them :) If they're not, but identical, you can put a bookmark on them and see if one gets deleted.
 
Ok
I guess they aren't identical enough so I will go with a mod flag
 
@10Rep Policy is that staff isn't given a diamond unless they actually "need" it. So, developers, CMs, etc. It makes sense to restrict the number of users with maximum privileges. Plenty of staff do things like ad sales.
 
@Scratte No I was wrong. Should have read the answers properly before drawing conclusions.
 
6:09 AM
@RyanM Convalescence seems the perfect excuse to spend massive amounts of time on SO!
@Scratte That was flagged by someone other than yourself as NAA, but the flag was self-cleared. I don't know why the system would be telling you that you flagged it previously.
If it had been mod-declined, I'd say that a mod might have thought the "Yum does not search for this on Debian" would be the answer. But it wasn't ever seen by a mod. And now that it has been, I'm seeing no redeeming value...
 
@CodyGray I think I must have said that wrong. I never flagged it myself. I was informed by someone else that they flagged it, which is why I was puzzled that the post was still around.
 
Ah, OK. They self-retracted. I don't know if they did that before or after they discussed it with you. But it wasn't declined by a mod.
 
I see. I assume they did that by mistake then.
 
@Yatin There's no harm in raising a flag. Even if they're auto-flagged, it's just as easy for a mod to dismiss both flags simultaneously.
@Scratte Maybe. Or you've trained them to be gunshy about declined flags, and it wasn't getting handled fast enough, so they unfired their gun.
 
@CodyGray Unlikely :) I believe they're a prolific flagger and not very obsessive about a perfect accuracy :)
If I recall correctly they're using all their flags every day.
 
6:21 AM
Good for them!
 
Never mind :)
 
Yes.
I'd argue it was spam anywhere, but it isn't even relevant to that question.
 
@Scratte flags, hey? I thought they were just rumours :p
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I thought it was a little odd.
 
@Scratte Indeed, but Jon is harmless. Oh, wait... you meant...?
 
6:35 AM
@JonClements There's one you can wear too :)
I think the whole cute puppy is just to fool us ;)
I mean they're almost as cute as Puss In Boots with big black eyes..
 
@Scratte oh no... I'm found out! I'd better starting chanting Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn louder :p
 
Is that an chant that will give you a hat? :D
In all honestly you should wear it on your tail, as I'm not really seeing how any of the hats are big enough for your head ;)
 
You can make them bigger!
They're scalable SVGs!
 
But that doesn't make it any better.. Jon's already having balance issues.
 
Dog's tails are supposed to be smaller than their heads.
 
6:46 AM
@CodyGray it'd be weird to chase 'em otherwise wouldn't it?
 
Hmm, naw. If it were bigger than your head, that might be more reason to chase them.
Not to mention it's just fun.
 
@Scratte nope... but since 2020 is the year it is, I reckon summoning Cthulhu wouldn't hurt and then they and Tony The Pony can have a battle of a regex vs html parser
@CodyGray indeed it is... always seems to get the better of me though... it's almost like it knows where I'm going for it...
 
..the hat-zalgo is looking like a winner :)
 
a zalgo hat - that should so be a thing... kinda surprised it's not... I think there used to be a (limited) SO zalgo t-shirt thing
 
Yeah, somehow Martijn got that t-shirt. I'm super jealous.
 
7:03 AM
It's kind of zalgo, no?
 
In what way?
 
It going off the normal borders.
 
But it's not... all drippy and... broken.
 
@Scratte can I go for the bit after the comma? :p
 
lol! Fair enough :)
 
7:07 AM
Apparently there are unofficial t-shirts. Which are...lame.
 
I don't even understand that one..
 
I'd go for one with printed avatars of all the regulars in here though :)
@CodyGray Closed! :)
 
Uh, "like a boss" is a kind of saying or meme. It means something akin to, "very successfully". If you like the Lonely Island videos that I've linked before, there is this one. But...jokes are not all safe for work.
@Scratte What if we change? I've been scared to change my avatar since forever anyway.
 
@CodyGray think Chris also got a beer mug which is cool... I'd have wanted one of those... think I got a couple of shirts, a diamond mod cap thingy, a coffee mug and a filofax thingy... (plus some stickers) - but better than nout I guess... don't think elected mods have had anything since 2017 or something now
 
7:11 AM
Hmm.. "Customers also viewed these products".. a pillowcase of Keanu Reeves.. ?!?
 
I finally got the hat that matches my avatar! :)
 
@JonClements I have no idea what a "filofax" is, but I do like beer.
 
@CodyGray New t-shirt :)
 
I have the coffee mug and the hat. Problem is, I don't drink coffee, and I don't wear hats except during Winter Bash.
T-shirts are way more useful.
 
@CodyGray Filofax ..calendar type thing where you can pick what you want in it.
 
7:14 AM
Oh, so that's like a non-electronic iPhone? Haha.
I think "planner" is the more recognizable name, at least for me.
 
I'd go for a mug. If I was ever offered anything. But alas.. mugs are not on the list anymore.
 
At least there is a list!
Something like this pillow, but with a shiny orange glowing vote arrow, would be nifty.
 
Yes. You can even use it as a signal having it point either up or down :D
 
Good point. I do appreciate the symmetry of the vote buttons.
 
@Nick That looks cute and scary at the same time :)
 
7:19 AM
ooo Amazon, that reminds me - was thinking of ordering amazon.co.uk/Crystal-Head-Vodka-70-cl/dp/B007MLY2CM for my brother - I think it looks cool - is apparently nice to drink and ultimately, reckon it'd look quite good with a candle or something in the top/backlit
 
Kinda macabre.
 
He can even fill it with red wine when it's emptied and get the full experience :)
 
@Scratte you're right - I hadn't noticed at first but it does look like there's a dark shadow of the hat lurking behind it ready to pounce
 
@Scratte I was thinking milk
 
@CodyGray Because that bottle looks like it's super easy to clean?
 
7:23 AM
Haha
Because skulls are white.
 
@Nick It's like a merge of Thor and My little pony :)
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@JonClements from front on it looks weirdly like the "I wish to subscribe" hat
@Scratte :)
 
Swimming pool drowning detection based on object recognition? What could that even be? Using machine learning to detect objects that could drown in a swimming pool?
 
@CodyGray and filled with spongy stuff apparently.
need to kick a DB into gear and get back to bed... bbl folks
 
 
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8:53 AM
This is an answer right? stackoverflow.com/a/65367886/11573842
 
@Yatin Only if you're obsessed with declined flags.
 
@JonClements just drop it ...
 
9:59 AM
\o
 
10:16 AM
@halfer o/
 
10:28 AM
Would you consider this NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/65367834/2359227
 
@TomerShetah No. That's just downvote-worthy. Or maybe someone could edit it.
 
@CodyGray Thanks :)
 
What to do with this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/65368575/…
Note the self-answer
 
10:44 AM
@Yatin Close it. Flagger's choice as to whether it lacks an MVE, is unclear, or is the result of a typo/non-reproducible error.
 
Thank you @cody
 
With the ultimate goal being to delete it, of course.
Asker has their answer; they aren't going to be inclined to actually edit their question into shape, and even if they did, it wouldn't be useful to anyone else, because it's a typo.
 
10:57 AM
^ the question isn't very great either
@CodyGray Unfortunate truth :(
 
@Yatin Someone is thankful about being told their question is a duplicate; let's cut them a bit of slack :-)
 
:)
 
11:19 AM
Can I ask OP to accept their self-answer?
 
You can, but beware that they might not be able to even do so yet: stackoverflow.com/help/accepted-answer (they have to wait 48 hours)
 
Oh yea I forgot there was that long of a limit on it
 
Mhmm. What if someone else comes up with a better answer?
 
True... It it just...
> ok then please consider accepting your own answer after 48 hours
Doesn't sound great :D
 
More reason not to be enthusiastic about those types of comments.
 
11:25 AM
Hm... I guess I'll delete it
 
:51191335 waffles?
 
I sent the wrong one.
 
Haha. Oh boy.
 
Seems unlike Brian.
 
That review suspension message I just wrote sounds oh-so-like me, though.
 
11:35 AM
@CodyGray Ha!
 
@AdrianMole No point in trying to hide it. It's obvious who the diamond is involved on that one.
 
Yeah. Even I would be able to work that one out! :)
 
@AdrianMole The suggested edit was probably changed from something at least half-reasonable to the reject pls message. Changing a suggested edit doesn't reset the approval process (maybe it should?).
 
@RobertColumbia related: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/403289/578411 ? I conclude no change is needed.
 
@rene There may be a reviewer who is very upset about your conclusion. :-)
Hiding information from moderators is stoopid.
 
11:41 AM
So many upset people around me. I can handle one extra.
 
I took care of this one. (??!)
 
11:57 AM
I think @Dharman is going to have to figure out a way to make that hat a permanent feature of his avatar, even after Winter Bash.
It just fits too well.
 
Agreed. (But is there a policy, maybe, preventing the use of hats as permanent avatars? Need to check with Yaakov.)
 
No... People have been doing that for years.
Since long before I ever met Yaakov.
 
OK. But I guess one can't make it break-out of the usual avatar constraining rectangle.
... without being really clever.
 
Yeah, I don't know of any way to do that.
 
I decided to leave all those vandalized questions as they are now. If someone wants to go through them and roll back then be my guest.
 
12:30 PM
@rene did you just release an update?
 
for what?
 
userscript
 
@Yatin Hmm. For a while there, I was expecting "rene 2.0".
 
Please roll back to the question's first state.. OP added answer
Also what do you think about that question..?
@AdrianMole Lol... I was just doing my thing when tampermoney popped up with an update...
 
@Yatin Have a look - you can see what I thought about it. :-)
 
12:41 PM
@Yatin you have my find review script installed? So yes. I edited the match rules and bumped the version to 0.4
 
@rene closed review request script?
 
@AdrianMole 👍 I was confused on whether to send a cv-pls because of a comment: "I will not close this for lack of research. The topic is ... huge. "
 
@Yatin My actual CV reason was Not reproducible... But others outvoted me.
 
@AdrianMole are you sure that isn't spam?
 
12:54 PM
@Yatin Not sure but there is clear disclosure. But the site does look a bit spammy, I agree.
 
 
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3:48 PM
@CodyGray serious issue actually, every year thousands of people drown in swimming polls. Especially children. It's called "the silent death".
 
@bad_coder Actually some of those die much later after they got out of the pool..
 
@Scratte I wasn't aware, how is that?
 
@Scratte which links to Delayed Symptoms of Drowning: Know the Signs. Note that it seems to be rare.
 
@Scratte I had heard of it, thanks for linking.
 
4:07 PM
@bad_coder I am aware of that, but I don't know how that question was aiming to solve the problem.
 
 
@desertnaut Hi :) haven't seen you around for a bit.
 
@cigien yeah, I was in a walk-out :)
 
@desertnaut Wrong link btw, it's to the previous request.
 
@cigien crap... thanks
 
@desertnaut Thought you might be. I understand, it can seem a little off-putting when rules are enforced like that, even when it's for a good reason. Glad you're back though :)
 
 
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One guy posted a question here I posted the answer. Then, he was trying to bully with replies which doesn't make any sense. What should I do
Exact comment is "Sorry but your solutions are not working, expected output does not look equal with any of the solutions you posted. I am wasting my time reading your solutions. Also, what is with(), you dont understand that I am a new user and add a bunch of solutions without sense. Shameless. Also your profile said you are phd, try to write better, you should write papers for research I believe. Writing can also be seen as a form of respect for others. "
My question is should this be triggered as a Code of conduct
 
Flag the comment as unfriendly/unkind at the very least.
 
@akrun I think you can flag that as UU. Regardless, I suggest disengaging from situations where the user is not responsive to your help. You've tried to customize the answer for exactly what they want, which is great. After a point, you should just focus on making the answer useful for future visitors, and not worry too much about what the OP thinks.
 
@cigien thank you
@akrun have flagged both comments as U/U (although the 2nd one could be R/A)
 
7:32 PM
@akrun I'd classify that as abuse, and have voted accordingly. Agree with cigien - you may find it easier to disengage here.
 
@akrun I agree with everything else said here, and have voted accordingly. As a side note, it only takes 4 R/A comment flags from users to delete a comment.
 
Thank you all.
 
@snakecharmerb In the future, vote to close with a custom reason "questions must be in English", especially if there isn't already a comment to that effect. If that reason is not made explicit, I've seen users think the question is unclear, and clarify it in the same language.
 
@snakecharmerb To be extra helpful, you might consider using the Auto Comments user script to leave a link to the appropriate language localized version of Stack Overflow if it exists. Certainly not required, but I pretend to myself that it lessens the shock of having your question instantly closed by a bunch of random strangers.
 
8:11 PM
Hey: We may be strange but we're not random! :-)
 
Fair point, a definitely non-random selection of strangers.
 
Or did I mean the converse? Can't remember.
 
9:13 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels That question looks reasonably focused to me. OP wants to find the location of the 5 largest values in a 2D array.
 
9:56 PM
@cigien it's just a combination of dupe, not sure why Hover did not close at dupe to sometinhg.
 
10:13 PM
@Dharman, whenever I see your avatar with that bouncer "hat", I must laugh, it fits you very, very well :)
 
thanks
 
Dharman Man, able to eliminate "Hope this helps" with a single edit!
 
10:25 PM
What do you think about this question? Is it worth keeping? Note this answer might be spam
 
@Yatin no, VTD'ed
 
@Yatin Ehh.. I'd say yes. That's a request for a resource with two answers that didn't post a resource but gave an implementation Answer. That should not be removed.
 
Hm.. those 2 answers are exactly why I hesitated to send a del-pls directly
 
Why even delete it?
 
I think the question is fine, delete the answer.
 
10:30 PM
Perhaps remove "Do you know about any software that can do that?"
 
@IanCampbell Yea I think we can remove the answer specifically and save the question
^ potential spam
Flag-pls should be okay? or del-pls?
 
@Yatin "Do you know about any software that can do that?" the question asks for those kind of answers.
 
@Braiam Two answers did not have links to software. We can remove that one line.
 
@Braiam Hm... true... I am rather conflicted here
 
The answers will not be invalidated from that removal at all and then it's not off-topic asking for resource requests.
Personally I'm not conflicted at all. by deleting this, we're moving two valid Answers.
 
10:40 PM
So, we should edit the question and make it on-topic and nuke the spammy answer?
 
That's my suggestion.
 
Or let the spammy answer live because it was an answer to the question?
 
Well.. no. I realize it will become NAA as soon as the Question is edited, but.. it's spammy.
 
Ok
 
And maybe I'm looking at the wrong place, but it looks like pay-software. Ahh.. it's not. Only for the "unlimited version".
 
10:43 PM
@Yatin @rene please trash this request...
@Scratte it is
 
I'm not going to download it to check though :)
Nice edit :)
 
I suspect it will still get deleted.
 
Yea it has 2 del votes
 
@Yatin Just goes to show that with great power comes great responsibility
 
11:02 PM
Thank you :)
 
@IanCampbell There's are undelete votes too :)
 
Yes, I cast one =p
 
I'll cast one too. In 2037 :)
 
Maybe you should pick up R, you'll be there in no time.
 
11:16 PM
They say the same about Java.. I have seen some pretty fast risers, but I'm picky and slow :)
Isn't R about statistics?
 
Primarily data analysis, yes, but it has been extended to do a lot of things, like create interactive websites
 
Wait.. that post was deleted before the Answer had been deleted?!?.. So now when the post is un-deleted, it'll come back with the spammy Answer?!?
Ahh.. so R is the new PHP or the new JavaScript? :)
 
@Scratte The answer was successfully deleted as spam. The question was deleted subsequently. I suspect the question will never be undeleted, but if it were, the spam answer will remain deleted.
 
@IanCampbell Yes. I suppose it's harder to find if no one links to Lossless jpeg batch crop
 
Meh, I don't care enough to post a request.
 
11:28 PM
I'll be able to find it again in 2037. Chat search actually works.
 
@IanCampbell Although your edit greatly improves the question I think it's still too broad: there's no indication of the environment in which OP wants an answer. If it was edited to say linux/bash so that the question matched the answers, I'd be more inclined to vtu
 
Yeah, I agree, it could go either way. I just cast my vote on the undelete side, but can definitely see your side.
 
@Nick Isn't there something in those comments about the environment?
 
@Scratte you're right, so if that was in the question I'd vtu
 
^ Another reference to homework.
Not that I disagree that the post isn't fit..
 
11:46 PM
@Scratte Did I miss something? Was there a discussion about homework-related questions?
 
There have been some very lively debates recently about homework being a closure reason.
 
@Turing85 Yes. A lot..
 
Somebody care to bring me up to speed?
 
In this case.. you do not know if this is homework. If would be someone simplifying their problem. Not that I see it very likely that they've put a lot of effort into creating a good Question.
Since this Question seems to be low effort. However low effort is not off-topic, so that's a separate issue. The discussion is whether or not it's at all relevant how a Question came to be.
If we're about creating a repository then the motivation of the users contributing is irrelevant. A post shouldn't be closed just because it's homework as opposed to it being workwork.
Note.. I'm primarily expressing my opinion on the matter.
 
@Scratte This is a tricky subject. The CS-Instituted I worked at had an explicit clause to not publish (partial) answers online. We can - of course - take the stance that this is none of our concern and answer the question anyway.
 
11:54 PM
@Turing85 It isn't really our concern, since we cannot police users. Stack doesn't even care for copyrighted stuff unless they get a take-down-notice.
(It does care for plagiarism, but that's a much simpler issue)
We cannot even know if a user breaks their contract with an institution, homework, or workwork.
My point is that bringing in the homework aspect doesn't really make sense. If a post is unclear, unfocused, unanswerable, then.. close it. If it's fine, but the ONLY thing one doesn't like about it is that it's homework, then.. it's a slippery slope to close it for that reason.
 

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