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12:14 AM
@Makyen Thank you.
!//amipriveleged
!/amipriveleged
 
@JL2210 No such command 'amipriveleged'.
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@JL2210 ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
Stupid English ambiguity...
 
No ambiguity here. Ambiguous would be if both spellings were correct. They aren't. English picked one.
 
12:40 AM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@gparyani ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
Meh, don't really need them here.
 
1:25 AM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
And here I was checking my privilege the old-fashioned way.
 
 
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2:51 AM
@gparyani fixed anyway; I was bored.
 
3:06 AM
Thanks!
 
3:25 AM
@CodyGray Yes, but different words use i and e in different ways and they can sound the same or different. But I get your point.
 
 
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5:16 AM
I'm not confident enough to hammer this, but I think it's a duplicate; perhaps someone without a gold badge could nominate the duplicate I link to in a comment? stackoverflow.com/questions/59675526/…
 
 
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7:09 AM
@Undo on line 503 there is a comment in that file and while you're special in several ways and I doubt any objections would have been raised on this one, I still prefer that, going forward, you ping an RO first. Thanks
 
7:30 AM
@rene They're a moderator here
I remember reading in the rules that moderators have power over ROs
 
Only some moderators and some ROs.
 
8:00 AM
@gparyani I'm sure Undo understands. And while they have powerz, I was under the impression the mods are aware of how we operate this room. And if that has changed I'm sure I'll be told so. We take it from there.
 
Notes: 1) Duplicate target is newer; generally the case should be reverse but older question do not have answer. 2) Duplicate target have answer by me.
 
8:27 AM
 
 
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10:45 AM
That's a funny one. What close reason would best suit?
… I tried some CPR editing, but it still looks doomed.
 
11:49 AM
How best to handle repeat question from same OP (first closed): stackoverflow.com/questions/59681046/…
... OK, closed by a gold-hammer.
 
12:26 PM
^ remind me, where is the FAQ which explains that using Stack Overflow for general support is not acceptable?
 
@tripleee pos this? Edit: not an FAQ - but pos relevant
 
@treyBake yeah, I think that's the one I was thinking about
 
huzzah! :)
 
Morning
 
1:25 PM
o/
 
1:39 PM
@Makyen thanks!
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Dharman ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
@Makyen Thank you.
 
\o
 
Do we roll back this edit High rep user posts, defaces and deletes their own answer
 
@Adriaan I assume it's related to the comment - they've probably decided it's wrong
maybe the deface was unnecessary, but deleting it seems reasonable
 
Exactly my point; deleting would suffice in this case, and when low-rep users deface their post and then delete it, we usually roll back the change
 
The rules are the same for every one regardless of the reps
 
My opinion (and only my opinion...) is that the issue is when low-rep users only deface the post and don't delete it. And possibly also try to do so on posts that other people have spent time arguing
 
2:39 PM
On the other hand the lost is not big because it's an answer and not a question
 
i.e. it's not really the editing out the content it's the problem, it's the wasting other's time
 
2:55 PM
@Vega Except if you're at 65535 rep exactly, then you get to do whatever you want
 
Lucky ones ;)
 
@Adriaan People do it to hide the shame. It doesn't do anything really, because the revision history is still there to witness. I roll it back when I see it.
 
3:16 PM
@Adriaan -- If you're interested, the next installment of Gemcraft was just released.
 
@MadaraUchiha #TRIGGERED
 
I have been playing Anno1404 for the last week. I've played 1602 when it came out, and 1404 is definitely a good improvement
@MadaraUchiha so it's basically a new chapter in the same environment, rather than a completely new version?
 
@Adriaan No, it's a new game. Core mechanics are probably similar, but it's not the same game with just extra content.
 
Interesting; the video looked rather similar to the previous instalment, but indeed the appear to have cut down the number of gem-types to just 6. I might just have to buy this ... (There go the evenings for the next months)
 
3:27 PM
was there an Anno 1492?
I had something like that ~20 years ago but must've lent the CD to a friend because I can't find it. I just have the manual T_T
it was a date around the time Columbus sailed for the new world, could've been 1502 or something
 
@TylerH 1602 - 1503 - 1404 are the first three.
 
hmm, it was probably 1503 then
 
Then there has been a 1790 or thereabouts instance, as well as 2090
 
Yeah, the game cover art for 1503 looks familiar
was definitely that one
I need to find a copy and try it out
I enjoy watching Keralis play the Anno series
I enjoy watching Keralis play pretty much everything, though
 
4:12 PM
Is this spam?
Actually, the author removed it voluntarily, but it was basically promoting their survey. Does that fall under the same category as job offers?
 
I'd say yes - "spam - Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation."
 
Yeah in past we have spam flag "interview requests", "job offering" etc...
 
@Ruzihm I feel like one should call Update() within the while Z is held down function... maybe it doesn't work that way
 
I feel that they should use a debugger and try to figure it out by themself...
 
Do we do any organised comment cleanups in SO throughout the year? :)
 
4:21 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Yes, it's considered spam, or at least the majority of votes on Meta indicate people feel it is. Please see: Are research survey questions expected to be handled with close votes?
 
@TylerH Update is a method called synchronously by the engine on every MonoBehaviour once before every frame is rendered. And the returns of Input.GetKeyDown only change between calls to Update. So they've made an infinite loop that the engine waits for completion.
 
@treyBake If you have the abundance of comment flags and spare time you can always run SEDE query
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@treyBake Nah, just flag 'em as you see 'em
you get up to 100 a day
 
@treyBake Well, moderators deleted 6,075,670 comments last year. Combined with those deleted by users, over 7 million comments were deleted last year.
 
@Makyen moderators... it was a script ;)
 
4:26 PM
morning all /o
 
@PetterFriberg True, but it was moderators that ran the script. :-) After all, someone had to work on the script and refine it to the point where it could be used. So, there's definitely work that went into getting that done.
 
@Dharman that's pretty cool, ty ^.^
yeah that post was what made me think of a comment clean-up, was surprised to see the growth and wanted to get more involved (although, not as a mod ofc)
 
Should this bogus migration be escalated somewhere? stackoverflow.com/questions/59685732/…
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
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@tripleee Just FYI: it was migrated by a moderator on Information Security.
 
 
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6:08 PM
seems like an odd website to have on the list
 
@TylerH It's detecting the "phone_number" in the URL path.
 
 
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Anyone know the comment quick-link that is currently in vogue for the "mcve"/"mre"/"reprex"/"mwe"/"min-reprex"/"minimal-reproducible-example"/"sssce"/"plz-post-teh-codez" help page? I can't get [mcve] to work anymore, or [mre] or even [reprex].
 
[mre] works for me
 
both [mcve] and [mre] at least should work; if they aren't then some bug has been introduced
 
@CodyGray I don't think they work on Meta.
 
Imagine a land of sight and sound... a land where minreprex doesn't exist. The signpost up ahead... The Meta Zone
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7:26 PM
@Makyen Ah, okay. At least that explains it. Still...grr. I can't add in the long-form link because my comment has too many characters.
 
thoughts on this being too broad?
 
2020: Be less verbose ....
 
Except when talking about 2020. Don't use just 20.
 
I heard there's going to be a massive stock market crash in 9 years in '29
 
@CodyGray I often have problems fitting comments into the max permitted number of characters. Sometimes this requires significantly rewording, dropping some content, or using an additional comment, but you already know all the strategies. :-; I agree, it's frustrating. Frankly, I would have expected the site specific comment quick links to work on Meta, because Meta is specifically for discussing the main site, so linking to those resources is quite normal.
 
7:35 PM
It would have been awesome if you had to split above message in two ...
 
@CodyGray Does shortening the long-form link from https://stackoverflow.com/help/minimal-reproducible-example to https://stackoverflow.com/help/mcve bring you under the max? It'll redirect to the right place
 
Splitting after the emoji would have been a natural break. It's always tricky deciding what to do with punctuation when you end a sentence with an emoji.
@Das_Geek No. I'm far too wordy for that. Might be able to get away with something like //help/mcve or whatever little relative link coolness that the hip websters do these days.
 
"Not ending a sentence with an emoji" will be one of those English rules that'll get added to the books eventually, you mark my words
 
Can we just make the rule, "Thou shan't use emojis in writing, under penalty of death"?
ASCII-only emojis could be an exception, earning you a lighter penalty.
 
hip....websters? Such a thing exists? I thought it was just people in coffeeshops on MacBooks, just so they can write in public and sip tripleshots of espresso over five hours
 
7:39 PM
You're thinking of hipsters. Hip websters are hipsters who are also web developers. Pretty much the same otherwise, though. Same MacBook, same latte.
 
@CodyGray Just "mild torture" would do, I think :-)
Though I have an emoji theory: Anyone who includes the "nose" in emoticons (e.g. using :-) instead of :) ) is always over the age of 30, and probably at least 40.
 
That can't be correct. I've been including the nose in emojis my whole life, and I only just turned 30-ish.
So...while I just proved your theory, I'm claiming that I actually disproved it.
 
lol
To be fair, my sample size thus far is very small. Just noticed the youngsters using the noseless versions, and the fogeys using the nose
I believe the "nosed" versions were the originals, so thus I can claim historically-backed plausibility
 
I actually think the noseless version is the older version. The nose wasn't added until later. In relative terms, of course. The Internet has been around for some time now.
 
I would have thought the noseless ones were first, coz they're shorter
 
Aha! My claims are backed by science!
 
Yeah. Smart, verbose people use noses.
 
Oh? On what page is that said? ;)
 
Page 124, right before the start of section 6.
I put it into my own words.
 
But yeah, I did see that for people who used emojis less often, or who typically wrote longer messages, did use the nosed version
They have a nice table at the end
 
7:48 PM
But, "Longer tweets" and "Correctly spelled 'difficult words'" are the two indicators of nose-users, so that's pretty clear.
 
Yeah, that's the one
 
The paper isn't all that well written. It's missing a lot of citations for key facts (e.g., that the nose version came first), and it throws out some assumptions without explaining them (e.g., that it is reasonable to assume more frequent emoji use => no noses). But I guess what can you expect for a research paper on emojis?
 
Fair enough. But I would guess that this paper was probably written for a conference talk as part of a semester-long class. Hardly think this would be anyone's serious research for graduate work. And if you were to go deep, you would have to follow through on so many fuzzy topics it'd be way too long
Heck, my undergraduate thesis was 40 pages long, and my subject material was fairly concrete. My conference papers, on the other hand, were similar in length to this emoji one
 
Proving how small of a world it really is, the author of that paper is Tyler Schnoebelen, who has a blog on Medium, where he published an article referencing Julia Silge, a data scientist at Stack Exchange.
Tyler did get his PhD at Stanford, but I can't tell if he also did an undergrad there. Either way, you're probably right that this was a one-off conference paper, even as a grad student.
Yeah...had to be part of PhD work. He earned his doctoral degree in the same year that paper was published. Anyway. Even though this is all pretty benign, I'll stop doxing the guy now.
 
8:04 PM
lol, I go to make some coffee and come back to some serious dirt haha
As a side note, I've loved every single one of Julia's blog posts. They're so fascinating
 
I always feel that the methodology is shaky, thus the conclusions are not valid, interesting as they might be to read and consider.
 
I don't know enough about the care needed for surveys to really comment on methodology, but I agree that they are very enjoyable to read
 
It isn’t specifically about her or her collaborators. I feel the same way about pretty much all social science research.
It’s either blindingly obvious, causing me to wonder why we bothered to waste scarce funding on something like that, or it’s something pretty extraordinary or surprising, thus requiring extraordinary proof that almost never exists. There are too many different possible explanations for trends that the papers never adequately consider or control for.
 
Science lite IMHO ;)
 
Well the answer to that is usually "funding". The only entities that can afford a properly-controlled study are large corporations doing market research, and you never see the results of those
That and I feel "extraordinary" results are ones we see more often because that's what gets shared the most over the interwebs
You won't *believe* number 13!
 
8:18 PM
As to the Twitter Emoticons paper, I'd say it really isn't something we can generalize to use of emoticons in environments which are not similar to Twitter, due, at least, to A) tweets are quite limited in length, previously severely limited in length; and B) Twitter is primarily (I believe) used by people who are entering text on a mobile device, which makes entering text, particularly punctuation, much more difficult than a standard keyboard, and auto-suggests word completion/correction.
As a result, the emoticon chosen doesn't, necessarily, represent an unrestricted choice by the user.
 
@Makyen To your points, I had arrived at my initial observations from SMS conversations, which are similarly restricted and also entered in via mobile devices. But I do agree that the paper can't really be generalized
It's just a random theory of mine that someone happened to publish :)
 
I’m not sure if that assumption that tweets are primarily composed on a mobile device is well-founded. Plenty of people use desktop Twitter clients, or even the website itself, to post Tweets.
So, see, that’s another one of those assumptions.
It might be funding, but a lot of it is lack of imagination and a strong motivation to make “sense” of the data.
 
I was really tempted to mark my statement about how tweets are composed as [citation needed]. :)
 
Heh. I saw you used the non-canonical annotation, “(I believe)”
 
8:34 PM
@Makyen apropos of that comment, I personally much prefer to use Twitter on the web
but I mostly prefer to use all products on the web vs a mobile app
typically for a whole host of reasons each time
 
Agreed. I can think of only one site where I prefer the (albeit third-party) app to the web or desktop experience
 
If I had a Model M connected to my phone, I might feel differently about mobile UIs. But as long as typing slows me down so much on mobile, it’s not going to be my platform of choice. It’s especialy frustrating for me, since I can touch-type fast enough normally to keep up with my brain.
Is there a Mavis Beacon Teaches Phone Poking? I need to build speed and accuracy...
 
Wow, two stellar references. I can hear Mavis Beacon's CD-ROM lessons now
 
Difference is, I use a Model M daily. Not so with Ms Beacon
 
I need to get me a Model M or something that imitates it. Closest I could get would be these keycaps on a clicky switch
 
8:40 PM
is that the newest Tesla car?
 
Have a colleague who has one. An absolute joy to type on
@TylerH Yeah. The "M" stands for "Magical"
 
ooh :-D
an all-electric keyboard. Bold move :-P
those pesky noses...
 
I might have to settle for a Unicomp instead of an IBM
 
Cherry MX Blues are OK. Huge upgrade over a normal keyboard. Finally broke down a couple of years ago and bought an inexpensive one for the office. But buckling spring is still best. If you don’t have a real IBM or Lexmark, Unicomp still makes and sells them. I’ve been planning to order another.
The space saving Model M is the real gem. Ditches the numeric keypad to allow the mouse to be closer, which is more ergonomic
Was cheaper at introduction, but now it’s quite a bit more expensive.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I might have to get a Unicomp. I have a set of Blues on my home keyboard, which is TKL. Thinking about getting Greens just for the heavier actuation force
 
8:45 PM
Are greens otherwise just as clicky as blues? Never tried them. Blacks and browns are super popular, but they’re still “thud” keyswitches by my standards. Blues with a higher actuation force would be nice. Closer to buckling springs.
But why not just have an actual buckling spring? Don’t really get it.
 
i like reds
 
@CodyGray Yeah, Greens are just Blues with heaver force required. By about 0.10N, iirc. The new Whites are similar
@Ruzihm I used to have Reds. Good for gaming, but I found that I'm too heavy a typer and would bottom out the switches. I don't have as much pain with my clicky switches
 
I'm using browns currently and I like them.
 
Yup. Not only buttoming out the switches, but also inducing greater fatigue. You can’t rest your fingers on the keys. You have to hold them slightly back to prevent them from depressing, which requires using more muscles.
 
Yeah, Browns are nice for not driving anyone nearby crazy with noise
 
8:48 PM
@CodyGray I have to check but I believe I still have an old school PS/2 IBM keyboard. I'll let you know if you want.
 
:o
One of these days I'll break down and drop $200 for a restored Model M. It'll be a bittersweet day
 
@NathanOliver If you have an old IBM PS/2 keyboard that clicks, I’d love to have it. Will pay shipping. :-)
 
OK. I'll check when I get home in a few hours.
 
Driving people crazy with noise is all part of the fun
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Quit with your bellyaching. I’m doing real work here!
 
@CodyGray meanwhile, a tiny "multi kill!!" is heard from the headphones
 
M--
8:51 PM
 
@M-- Like all typing in movies and on TV, you’re doing it wrong.
 
@CodyGray Still not as bad as this infamous scene. You might be a good hacker, but you're not "two hackers on one hacky tool" good
 
@Das_Geek That documentary on “pair programming”?
 
lol
Had to stifle a laugh, there
 
My favorite is still the “serious hacking” that takes place with one hand typing, while the other is balancing the laptop.
Maybe I’m just uncoordinated, but...
 
8:56 PM
@CodyGray I always give people this video to cure them from their disillusions
 
M--
@CodyGray sure I do but tenor.com/view/…
 
@Machavity I thought it was because we didn’t know the answer?
 
Vim was my typing tutor. I still can't type super-fast or in perfect form, but it was much better than I used to do before joining the Church of Vim
Mavis Beacon never stuck
 
I still submit that modality is incompatible with my religion
 
9:01 PM
@CodyGray And here I thought you were a fellow believer
 
@Das_Geek this one is one of my favorite nonsense scenes youtu.be/u8qgehH3kEQ?t=12
(same as what you posted above, but in video form)
 
For vim so loved the Linux that he gave his only editor, that who believes in it shall not :q! but :wq
 
@Das_Geek Nah. I grew up as a Windows hacker. If I want a debugger, it’s Visual Studio or WinDbg. If I want a text editor, it’s Scintilla with a menu bar, something fast, written in native Win32 (like Programmer’s Notepad). Not this HTML on the desktop nonsense. That’s an abomination. Lag in a text editor is ridiculous.
And don’t get me started on font smoothing in a text editor. I was not aware that I needed a feature to make text blurry.
Comfort is mostly about fonts for me. Most of them suck. Dina is the true choice. Proggy fonts are nice where Dina won’t render because it’s not a real TTF. Source Code Pro has grown on me for when I can’t use a bitmap font.
 
@CodyGray It's a slippery slope. Next you know you'll look like rene ;)
 
@NathanOliver I feel like I’m gazing upon rene every time I open a WPF app. And...I like rene, but I avoid WPF apps.
 
9:09 PM
:)
 
I don’t know how people use gdb
 
@TylerH Had a boss ask me to make sure nobody could copy our website. My proffered solution was something similar
 
Every time I try and fail, I feel like I’m “not a real programmer”, but seriously. Trrrible UX.
 
@Machavity ugh. I would say "that's not possible because of how computers work"
 
@TylerH service httpd stop
 
9:13 PM
@TylerH or anything else ever. For example, books. Hard to understand why this concept is so foreign to folks.
 
@Machavity Did you write it in flash then?
 
@NathanOliver IKR
 
There’s always the “print-designer-discovers-the-web” approach: a giant JPEG, pixel-perfectly drawn in Photoshop. Good luck copying that.
To make it “responsive”, you just need to export the JPEG at multiple sizes. :-)
 
pfft, a print designer would send over PNGs, not JPEGs
 
Probably TIFFs
 
9:21 PM
I made a responsive website once. It served out 404 responses all day long with 100% up time. I was quite proud.
 
@CodyGray what is this, the 1990s?
 
@TylerH Do they not still use uncompressed TIFFs? To be fair, most of my print industry knowledge is from the 90s. Remember QuarkXPress?
 
TIFF isn't used much anymore
 
I thought PNGs were limited in color depth and resolution, which would be a problem for print
It allows transparency, but that isn’t useful.
 
Both TIFF and PNG support 16 bits per channel.
 
9:34 PM
@CodyGray I don't know, I've seen shirts with transparency.
 
@Das_Geek Just add water, right?
 
Yep. Water is the alpha channel of clothing
 
10:35 PM
The game VVVVVV's code was recently made open-source. Opened it up and....wow never thought I'd see a switch with more than 4,000 cases
 
I'm in review and a question was closed as a duplicate then edited to be clearly not a duplicate but should be closed anyway due to missing a MRE. Should I vote to reopen then vtc with the correct reason or just review that it should not be reopened?
I assume "leave closed" is correct here
Actually nvm, after reading meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251673/… I'm going to vote to reopen.
 
@Ruzihm Leave closed is generally correct. Generally, we don't reopen questions just to close them for a different reason. You could leave a comment on the question suggesting that the OP ask a new question. Does the question have any answers on the question? Was the edit to change it to a completely different question, or just clarify the question which was being asked?
 
@Makyen The original post asked two distinct questions, and it was edited to remove one that-by all accounts-seemed the more likely one meant to be asked and was closed as a duplicate of that question. Later, asker clarified that the other question was the one intended to be asked, making the duplicate closure invalid.
 
@Ruzihm Did the OP make the edit prior to closure which made it more clearly a duplicate, or did someone else? Are there any answers?
 
@Makyen No answers, but the problem was solved in the comments. It's this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/59673392/…
 
10:51 PM
@Ruzihm Generally, you should prefer to just leave the question closed. It's better to have a question closed for the wrong reason than to have it not closed at all. And the latter is likely to happen without coordination, since you won't be able to re-close it yourself once it gets re-opened.
You can, however, work around that by using a room like this one to help you re-open and re-close the question. If a moderator or a gold badge holder happens to be around, that process becomes even more efficient.
But do consider whether it's actually worth the effort on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes it's not.
@Das_Geek Why not? I assume it's just a state machine.
 
@CodyGray Not saying it wasn't a reasonable solution, and having played the game I don't think it was a bad choice, but it was a bit funny to see the first time
 
11:09 PM
Good Evening.
 
o/
 
I figured the above warrants an explanation: Although it's not asking for a resource it's certainly opinion-based (there have been two different answers in the comments so far) and it's asking about something off-site that really can't be controlled.
 
^ OP misread the documentation re: strictness of inequality (this cv request for typo)
 

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