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1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, user added code
 
2:02 AM
I can't make sense to the HTML content in the following question, so I can't edit it to format it properly: stackoverflow.com/questions/43863199/…
 
 
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6:01 AM
@Cœur I gave it another try ...
still doesn't make sennse
 
 
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9:35 AM
\o Mooing all
 
10:26 AM
is this the Move to the Graveyard room?
 
Time to start having convos in the graveyard ...
 
@BhargavRao the talking dead ...
 
I feel like I have one foot in the grave, so why not
 
@StephenKennedy I simply don't believe it
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Every person has a foot in the grave the day they're born ...
 
10:31 AM
@BhargavRao Thanks buddy, I feel even better now. You should become a counsellor :P
 
... they do fine as long as they don't put the other foot in their mouth.
 
 
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For some posts FGIW has a slightly different meaning. Fastest Guesser....
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11:56 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels why is this question still open and has no downvotes? stackoverflow.com/q/56919874
 
12:26 PM
@Zoe why hasn't this question been as ferociously attacked with downvotes as the one above that I tried to protect? stackoverflow.com/q/56833649 is this a working system?
I have a suspicion that many questions that get downvoted and finally removed are not due for the most part to actual content but partly reputation, formatting and language style. (Like this nice presentation stackoverflow.com/q/56919874) (cc @E_net4isaDownvoter)
 
@גלעדברקן maybe because it is sunday?
 
12:42 PM
@rene I don't think so. Right after I mentioned stackoverflow.com/q/56833649 in my comment just above, people (I have to guess from here) rushed in, downvoted and closed it. But the other one with nice language, formatting and reputation is still up :) stackoverflow.com/q/56919874
 
@גלעדברקן You are only qualifying the formats and punctuation. And what do you think about the background?
@גלעדברקן In the question that was closed and possibly eliminated, the OP is saying: "give me code", on the other hand it is saying: "I have this problem, I have this solution. Is there a better one?"
 
@eyllanesc I think in that instance, background is irrelevant. The OP could've even just mentioned in one sentence that an O(n log n) solution is known.
@eyllanesc no, OP was not saying give me code. In both instances the OPs are saying, give me a solution.
 
@גלעדברקן IMHO in the first question the OP has not shown any effort, instead in the second at least has shown an attempt.
 
To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for a solution. That's why people are here.
@eyllanesc you must be kidding. What attempt?
All they did was mention a known solution exists.
 
@גלעדברקן You have a concern with the way this site moderates questions, that is known given yesterday's conversations and today's. If you want a thorough site-wide discussion of this, again I suggest bringing it up on the meta site.
 
12:50 PM
Nah. Live conversation is much more effective in creating change.
 
@גלעדברקן I'm not kidding. If you think I'm doing it then we better finish the conversation.
 
@גלעדברקן Then keep fighting the good fight and I wish you luck
 
@eyllanesc "are you kidding" is a colloquial English expression for surprise. I meant no offense. I asked you sincerely, what attempt do you see the OP making?
 
@גלעדברקן In the case of the second question: "Current solution: blah, blah, blah ..."
 
But that's not the OP's solution. It's a known solution.
 
12:54 PM
@גלעדברקן But it is an attempt, if the OP already had a solution then it would no longer ask.
@גלעדברקן I have voted for high-reputation OP questions and answers, and I have seen that others have done so. Here the reputation is not relevant, in the end the community in a prudent time will reject the questions/answers of bad quality.
 
@eyllanesc if we cannot agree on what the word "attempt" means, I think your earlier suggestion of ending this line of conversation may be appropriate. An attempt is activity by the OP to try and solve the problem. It is not a description of a known solution in the literature (that might correspond with "background.")
 
@גלעדברקן I am not an expert on the subject so my opinion technically has no validity, I tell you about the one that only looks from the outside. If I were an expert I would give my upvote / downvote if necessary. I only look at someone who gives a more appropriate context.
@גלעדברקן On the other hand, on the other question, I literally do not see anything, just: "I have this inputs and give me code to get the outpur."
 
That's my point. Both questions seem to have the same idea, just one has nice formatting and also says, "this is one known solution [but I'm not interested in it]." @HovercraftFullOfEels yes, I do think the site shows undue inconsistency.
 
@גלעדברקן My position is: If I know the subject then I think about the underlying issue, if I do not know, I analyze the quality of the question format, and if I consider that it is not salvageable then I cast my vote (downvote).
@גלעדברקן If you consider that a question is incorrect then show your position with your vote.
 
@eyllanesc I don't downvote. Once in a while I do issue close votes, though.
My comments today are about general site trends.
 
1:10 PM
@גלעדברקן That is your criterion, and others have other criteria. The idea is that in a community as big as SO everyone has different positions that are balanced.
@גלעדברקן If you want to analyze the trends then ask the question in META, you will see that some will agree with your position and others will not. These points are opinionable but analyzing a trend with the answers of this chat seems illogical
 
Let's keep the room on-topic please: support and discussion about reviewing and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. NOT meta issues, nor detailed discussions about specific posts which weren't even under review.
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waffles
 
Well, carp. I'm out of comment flags.
 
Hi out of comment flags
 
What? I thought your name was "out of comment flags."
 
@JohnDvorak Hi John.
@double-beep My name is- what??
 
1:27 PM
Slim shady ?
 
stands up
 
Time to let the cache refresh itself.
 
Zoe
@גלעדברקן low-volume meta tags no one/very few people watch. And like I told you yesterday, the system is broken. It has been since the site exploded in popularity, but the moderation system received little to no updates to help manage it. The second people see it, they can take action. Hence why the meta effect can exist to such an extreme degree as it does
Or the SOCVR effect in this case
 
@JohnDvorak We need to write an API to allow us to donate flags to each other
^ Create a web based system to give write access to each others accounts, what could possibly go wrong? :=)
 
Zoe
But instead of ranting about it, you could use a nice little thing this room supports called
 
1:35 PM
@Zoe I dunno, ranting is pretty therapeutic!
(As long as no lovely CVR people get harmed in the making of the rant)
 
Zoe
It is, but so is downvoting and closing c:
 
True dat again
 
Ranting is also off-topic (I'll make an exception for ranting about talking foxes)
 
Hmm, I can hear a growling noise coming from SO CVR
It's probably just my laptop's fan, the bearings are pretty old
 
@halfer Growling, or the anguished cries of a trapped tail? :(
 
1:39 PM
<yoink>
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy aw, so I have to stop? :c
 
@Zoe You can rant all you like in Dawg's Waffle Haus. Come on over, you might like it! :D
 
@StephenKennedy you RUINED it! There were free waffles there which we could get and eat our own and now the whole SOCVR knows it!
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy thanks! I've never seen that room before
 
1:49 PM
@Zoe You can rant all you like in The Ministry of Silly Hats. It's really fun!
 
Ooh, free waffle stampede, lovely
 
Zoe
Or I can rant in a Discord channel
 
@Zoe Create some discord in Discord, nice
@double-beep Pass the maple syrup plz
 
Zoe
I'm in like 6 servers with one or more venting channels
One with voids. Those are kinda nice
 
Paltalk (a voice server) used to be fun to listen to
 
1:55 PM
I heard you liked some discord in your Discord, so I unplugged it.
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people shouting abuse at each other (by mutual consent)
 
@Nkosi My dad-jokes are open source, so you are free to copy them :=]
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@halfer That's a bit old, and it will Roomba
 
@StephenKennedy Ah, sorry - autopilot. Feel free to zap it!
 
1:58 PM
I was in London for a nice bit of steak and red wine yesterday, and am quite snoozy
Getting old :=p
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I don't have any like that, but there are a few with support channels
 
@StephenKennedy friends with disagreements (the opposite of friends with benefits)
 
@StephenKennedy Is this the right room for an argument? Oh no, I am terribly sorry, this is the room for abuse.
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@Nkosi A shouting match can be enormously beneficial
 
@halfer Lol, yes, and he answers so politely :D
 
:-p
 
2:03 PM
So we can agree to disagree that we agree.
makes sense
 
2:24 PM
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Q: Stop the spread of [spreadsheet]

Erik AThe spreadsheet tag is currently in an awkward position. In this meta thread, it was pointed out that the excerpt provides non-standard guidance: Use this tag for questions about spreadsheet apps, plug-ins, libraries, etc., where no more specific tag exists That's not being followed, howeve...

 
2:50 PM
@Zoe thanks for clarifying. Yes, moderation does not seem up to speed. Furthermore, I'm not sure the unaccountable vote-based system (of moderation) on SO works.
 
The question dos not even appear to be taking itself seriously
 
@eyllanesc you helped me make a distinction here. While I might view the ability to downvote as useless, my actual concern here is with the unaccountable vote-based moderation system (close and reopen) because of the inconsistency I see on the site. I will consider further how to bring this up outside of this chat room.
 
3:35 PM
o/
 
\o
 
4:12 PM
Not sure how to approach this one. stackoverflow.com/questions/56923726/… Thoughts?
 
Zoe
4:34 PM
@גלעדברקן Please stop calling it an inconsistency
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If you want inconsistency, take a look at the cURL question
 
@Nkosi Looks Unclear to me. I've seen a few of those "I want non-standard JSON" Qs in PHP. They always boggle me too
 
@Machavity ty
 
@Zoe why?
 
Zoe
@גלעדברקן Failure to fully complete a specific action is not the same as inconsistency
 
If anyone has spare votes, the tag has some OT questions in the queue
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@Zoe to resolve this particular issue, we would need to analyze my use of the term, "inconsistency," which I would rather not bother with right now. I will move my concern for this issue out of this chat room, as I suggested above, because I believe it's related to the concept/design of the site itself.
 
5:18 PM
So, are we inconsistently saying the use of "inconsistency" is inconsistent?
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Zoe
^
 
5:45 PM
@Makyen <mind blown>
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8:22 PM
@Zoe It's closed? Why is it inconsistent? ;)
 
Zoe
@PetterFriberg Because it was reopened several times, and undeleted instead of deleted, and instead of acknowledged as off-topic and deleted, and welcomed by SE as "a great example of what makes this community so special and a terrific read."
 
@Zoe while I agree it should be closed and SE should not promote on homepage, I still disagree that it needs to be delete. To me the current problem is only that SE has it on homepage, but they lately do not represent community hence it don't count :)
 
Zoe
@PetterFriberg I could see the historical value, but as far as I see by SE's actions, the only motive behind undeleting is promoting it.
 
8:43 PM
I think SE should not have just undeleted it without getting consensus, nor should it have been deleted while under discussion.
In the end, I personally think it should stand closed and undeleted as it is off-topic, yet valuable, but that's of course debatable.
 
@BaummitAugen meeh it was undelete because there where no consensus to delete it... putting it on homepage is another story... I have no clue what they where thinking when they did that..
 
@PetterFriberg While I don't have any insight on that decision making, I'd wager a guess that whoever decided that was not an experienced member of our site.
@EJoshuaS Handled those I judged to be obvious, leaving the rest to the community.
 
:), probably or maybe they are just having laugh. :)
 
Queue that Spanish guy troll video someone made on reddit. XD
 
I already had enough troubles... standing down :)
 
Zoe
9:20 PM
xd
 
9:35 PM
Room moderator, please retract the above request. The OP has posted an attempt (a bad one, but an attempt nonetheless)
 
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