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@JimGarrison It has a pending suggested edit. I would assume that's why it's disabled.
 
@MikeM. Thanks, just figured that out.
 
 
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@Shree notice recent NAA post on that too
 
Yep and gone .
 
 
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8:13 AM
o/
 
o/
 
Plop!
 
@PaulStenne o.0
 
sup pinkey
 
8:18 AM
Points laser at ceiling - Oh wait, wrong plopper
 
@PaulStenne long time no see, you throwable little rodent!
 
How are you folks?
 
@PaulStenne Goooood ta, yourself?
 
@NickA Pretty good, still a huge amount of work going on.
I had a ten days wrestle with Web Crypto. I emerged drained but victorious.
 
Better than nothing to do at all :)
 
8:23 AM
@Adriaan How's the cheese and the mountains?
 
EWww, web crypto, nevermind
 
Yes. I enjoyed the victory =D
How about you?
 
@PaulStenne fat and tall, just like me ;)
 
@PaulStenne Just wrestling with clients we've been wrestling with 2 years... the usual
 
@NickA It's great. I have no idea how anyone implementing it in the browsers ever expected it to work, but it's great. It doesn't even work cross-browser without some heavy adaptations, but it's great.
 
8:26 AM
@PaulStenne Ahhh, I also have to support IE11... supporting IE11 front end is the bane of my life
 
The API is also extremely limited and cumbersome, which I assume is because they wanted to make it "hard" for devs to get into. Like an artificial entry barrier of sorts.
@NickA I dropped Edge support...
 
I don't have that luxury, I work in O&G where everyone is working decades in the past
 
O&G?
 
Oil and gas....
 
Ouch.
 
8:30 AM
there's good money to be made from wrecking the planet!
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@NickA brilliant! I've been there too, and am tempted to go back after my PhD
 
@tripleee There's also money in the banana stand
@NickA I suppose the logic is the same as the traditional banks, maintain the older systems as new systems are too much risk? (i.e. TSB)
 
@Adriaan Some clients are great, others management seem to bend over backwards for
@MichaelDodd I do data visualisation, all I want is them to switch to chrome :(
 
9:19 AM
!!/alive
 
@Selaron Yup
@Selaron Of course
 
looks like we have two instances again, probably because Metasmoke has been flaky
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 12 secs ago, by SmokeDetector
iBug/DeepSea is switching to standby
 
9:36 AM
:46912589 Cheers, rejected
 
(Y)
 
so, often when I dupe close a question that has a “Possible duplicate of …” comment from another user, the “Closed by…” message only lists me. But at other times it lists the other user(s) who had possible-duplicate commented it, as expected
I am wonder what the difference is in those cases
 
@sideshowbarker The "Possible duplicate of..." is also done for flaggers (not just voters), such as those with too little rep to VTC, they don't show up in the CV list
 
Hello everyone o/
 
9:51 AM
o/
 
10:12 AM
^ Honestly not sure on that one. Domain history is 50/50, user is registered and question is looking for offsite resources, but the appearance of the answer looks spammy
 
@MichaelDodd I went with the red flag from the way it was written, seems very marketing, will update on outcome
 
@NickA Yeah I'm not confident enough to pull the trigger on that one, I'm predicting disputed.
Wait, it's spam
This MS report uses first person ("we") from an account with the same name
 
Well spotted
 
I've left a comment in case it goes to mods
And a modflag linking to the MetaSmoke page just to make doubly sure.
 
a developer left a comment?! What year is this?! :o
 
10:24 AM
@treyBake Where?
 
I guess room rules prevent me from issuing a cv-pls or delv-pls but can I submit a flag-pls for social engineering / rude / abusive / bad humor posted as an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/57288331/874188
 
why should a delv-pls be prevented here?
 
It's his post
 
@tripleee A single modflag and warning comment should suffice, I don't think dangerous answers class as R/A.
 
I suppose then that a flag-pls would also not be allowed
 
10:33 AM
but then a flag-pls here is okay? I already flagged as R/A myself so I can't
 
@tripleee I don't think so, but we'd need an RO to weigh in
 
that being said, there's a great chance somebody would be willing to bounce the request.
 
Modflag marked helpful, and it's gone :)
and downvoting that gave me the aesthetically pleasing rep of 6,789 :)
 
@MichaelDodd that's kinda nerdly 31337
 
briefly
 
10:39 AM
@JohnDvorak Until the next time
 
downvotes of deleted content don't affect your reputation
 
10:52 AM
@MichaelDodd I was referring to the comment you made just before mine :)
 
@MichaelDodd thanks (-:
 
@MichaelDodd I just saw a suggested edit with lots of unnecessary formatting and immediately thought of you rofl
 
11:14 AM
I have a doubt: I closed a question as a duplicate of a previous question that the OP published in a previous post. Now I see that they have reopened it, and he who reopened it also points out that it is a duplicate but reopened it because it indicates that the current question is better written. So there are now 2 posts with the same question that were answered by the same user. What should be done in this case?
 
@eyllanesc Heeeh, and the user answered on both posts..? Politely tell them to merge their answer on the "bad" question to the new one, and to close the previous one as dupe (letting the Roomba do the cleaning later). What do you think?
 
@PaulStenne Beat me to it... I was gunna say close original as unclear, but same idea, update better question/answer, close original, wait for roomba
 
@NickA Well the answerer has a hammer, might as well use it
 
Okay, it seems like a good way.
 
@NickA Ah ok, thought you were referring to SE devs lol
 
11:21 AM
@MichaelDodd Haha, no, just thought you'd really like this edit
 
@NickA I'm all over the place today lol, that was meant to be for @treyBake
 
Some days are like this. Get a cookie?
 
@PaulStenne So long as there's a banner warning about them first :P
 
@MichaelDodd haha just one of those days :p
 
11:24 AM
@MichaelDodd Oh wow I would definitely buy a brand who pulls this off on their boxes
 
user3956566
@PaulStenne hellooooooooo! I was just thinking about you some number of hours ago and thinking "I need to skype message this spearrel"
 
user3956566
I never open skype - sorry :/
 
sdfklnsd
Yvette :3
Sup?
@YvetteColomb Yeah me neither >_>
Thought about you a bunch too, from all the Meta crapto-drama
 
user3956566
@PaulStenne you seen meta? that's what's up. And I'm respecting @rene - wonders never cease :p
 
Skype still exists?
(ignoring the fact we use SfB in the office...)
 
11:28 AM
(brb meetiiiing)
 
user3956566
@PaulStenne I'm holding up well on meta, I have a great deal of mutual respect with meta these days
 
user3956566
@PaulStenne ok I g2g to bed. later
 
user3956566
@NickA rumour has it. MS is still a thing yeh?
 
Think so
@YvetteColomb You've been doing meta a service last few days, I see you posting every half hour it feels like
 
user3956566
@NickA oh - erm.. I may have just got a gold badge on discussion and may have answered a few bonus posts to help that along :-
 
11:31 AM
Well congratz :P well earned
 
@PaulStenne you took over from @gunr?
 
user3956566
@NickA merci. and good night :)
 
12:19 PM
Morning
 
After lunch dip
 
@rene flowers eat lunch?
 
Flowers eat dirt
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12:35 PM
@rene These days, yes. So many emails and meetings. Thankfully other people sleep at night so I get to code.
Plop Nathan
 
@JohnDvorak Some even eat bugs
 
@MichaelDodd Funny, rene is more known to be producing them.
 
1:19 PM
> I'm flagging this question as Very Low Quality because its quality is very low. - Robert Columbia
I love it!
 
@NickA Yes, that's what that flag is supposed to be used for!
 
2:06 PM
Wow, that's quite the edit
 
Could I get an opinion on this Natty question?
 
No MCVE
 
Agreed, Too Broad or no MRE
 
lol. I am not actually certain the PHP tag there is valid
 
3:21 PM
^^ really? if How can I do it? Is it possible? is in the question, to me is still too broad
 
It just occurred to me: I made a non-trivial edit to the above post. Am I still allowed to repen-pls it?
 
@EJoshuaS I would say yes, it's not your question and you don't have an answer to it
 
@EJoshuaS Only if your edit is the only thing that gives it recent activity, which isn't the case here (it's only 2 hours old)
That said, still way too broad IMHO
 
@treyBake There’s a specific example now, which I think helps
 
@EJoshuaS meh, I see a lot of similar formatted questions in PHP and they just get closed.. which, to me is the right thing. But maybe that's just me and I'm overly-pedantic?
 
3:26 PM
Isn’t PHP a valid close reason? :)
 
Only if the coder can't use it :p
 
@treyBake Nobody can use it, it's garbage :P
 
I take offense in that
PHP has improved a lot, but people asking questions here still don't know it
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Anybody still PTSD from yesterday's outage. ROFL
 
@Nkosi Don't remind me, I got home and wanted to browse... meta..., but nope
 
3:29 PM
The unplanned maintenance of July 2019
 
@Nkosi Luckily I was working on something else when it occurred, believe it or not! Didn't even notice it had issues til afterward
 
agree with Dharman^^ PHP made huge strides, but I fear it's forever going to be seen how it was rather than how it really is :/
 
@Dharman I'm sure it has, but it's a great running joke :)
 
taking into consideration that Stack Overflow is also to blame for bad quality of PHP code out there I would be careful making these jokes.
 
Is it SO that is to blame? I would think it is the rep farmers fault.
Although I guess you could blame SO because they aren't providing enough moderation tools.
 
3:38 PM
them too, but Stack Overflow remembers the bad times of PHP. It will never forget.
 
During the great outage of July 2019 all was forgotten....
 
Some answers gathered hundreds of votes back in the day, because the workaround offered was the best possible at the time. If you offer the proper solution now, people will still consider the most upvoted one to be correct. The new guys copy the mistakes from the past.
 
@NathanOliver I blame the board and those who put current members on the board for being greedy and furthering the VC mentality rather than the healthy niche mentality
everything else is a consequence of that
 
I certainly believe 90% of the production code could use a disclaimer all of this is copied from Stack Overflow
 
3:43 PM
I always cite SO code in my code, but that is more for me so I have a reference right where it is used.
 
Hmm, who turned on the heat?
 
Does a question re-enter the CV queue every time it gets a CV/Close flag even if it was previously closed and then re-opened?
 
@NickA yes
 
ta
Do you think this is closable as no MCVE (not describing what it should do)?
 
4:00 PM
unclear + no MVCE for sure too IMO :)
 
For me there is enough there.
 
really? all they have to describe the Q is The operator + is undefined for the argument type(s) int, ArrayList -> surely that's Off-topic > Why isn't this code working?
 
We can certainly edit it to make it more MRE-y
 
@NathanOliver Opinion on edit?
 
Looks OK. I was about to post the same thing.
 
4:26 PM
 
4:41 PM
@JohnDvorak I almost suspect bad faith there
based on the combination of the question title, body, and username
 
so do I
not sure how the username contributes though
 
@JohnDvorak Selenium Fake (emphasis mine)
 
could be Japanese :P
 
I suppose
 
Google translates it to "Why am I faking to complete the job?"
probably mock is a better word for testing framework though...
 
4:46 PM
You wanna mock me?
 
Mocking flower? A new species!? (uhh, too chatty for SOCVR >_<)
 
@AndrewT. Are you mocking us? :-)
 
5:15 PM
Morning all /o
 
o/
 
 
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6:24 PM
ugh, the security team at work is trying to block extensions in Chrome except a small whitelist. I asked for uBlock Origin to be added to the whitelist and it was rejected.
they said "the majority of ads are already blocked by the network firewall so adblockers will not be approved"
lol
 
Report to them every ad that isn't blocked by the network firewall
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that ^
 
6:53 PM
@JohnDvorak Oh I plan to
I did also follow up and ask what info they needed in order to make additions/improvements to the network firewall so that I could work with them to bring it up to par with uBlock Origin
we'll see if they bite
luckily it's only moot, for now... I use Firefox
 
Did they say why they are blocking extensions?
 
They also give us local admin so I can write a batch file and scheduled task to change whatever group policy setting they apply right after the settings come in each morning
@NathanOliver I'm sure for "security" reasons
 
@TylerH That one might get you a boot
 
Which I understand. You don't want people being able to install whatever extension they want, especially not in a hospital environment
 
@TylerH Why would they want to prevent the installation of a well-known extension that's intended to make their employees both more productive and safer, where they can, if they choose, inspect the source code for the extension?
 
6:56 PM
@Makyen igorance, entrenchment, reluctance to admit they aren't the be-all, end-all solution for something
take your pick
 
@TylerH So no more userscripts?
 
@JohnDvorak Meh. Also a moot point unless they ask me to stop
@Machavity nah, I use Firefox as my primary browser so it won't affect me until they try to do the same thing for Firefox
 
Eh, I wouldn't be sure about that
 
@TylerH Yeah... sigh.
That's not to mean I don't support blocking the majority of extensions, as there are ones that are, at best, dodgy.
 
@JohnDvorak It's OK, it's written in the policy. We're given authority to make changes as necessary and will be asked to comply with any deviations from acceptable security policy before any corrective actions are considered
 
6:59 PM
oh, neat
 
user8682794
@Machavity please delete this cv-pls request of mine. Thanks.
 
@Makyen Yeah, like I told them, I'm all for whitelisted extensions only. It's just a joke that they don't allow uBlock Origin on the white list
oops, call me gunr 'cause I have a meeting
 
@PearlySpencer Done
 
someone said my favorite word
 
<3
 
7:02 PM
you can thank nathan for ratting you guys out :)
 
@gunr2171 meeting?
:P
 
no, "gunr"
 
:(
lol
 
I'M IMPORTANT!!!! MY EGO IS AS WELL!!!
(also, hi Important, I'm gunr)
 
:-)
 
7:06 PM
:)
 
7:18 PM
@gunr2171 just so you know I'm rioting when isgunrinameeting dies
wait, it already is
RIOT
 
8:39 PM
Happy Retired RO day! We'd like to welcome our guests @PaulStenne and @gunr2171
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10:46 PM
What is going on? Did they consider SO to be free advertisement portal?
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11:06 PM
Ooh, welcome old ROs!
 
dbc
@Dharman 17 answers that include "Rockset" created today: stackoverflow.com/… -- from several different accounts, some of which have been around for years, and have some reputation. Did their management order all their developers to spam us, or something?
 
it looks like it
So far only Shruti has stated clearly her affiliation
all the other ones since January this year are very similar and none of them state that they work for this company
Anirudh has it written in his profile: stackoverflow.com/users/759019/anirudh-ramanathan and he also fully discloses it in his answers
 
dbc
@Dharman Actually not disclosed in this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/30254523/sql-on-elastic-search/…
 
added 13 minutes ago, but he did in the older ones
 

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