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@Makyen Is it plagiarized if clear attribution is given?
 
@KenWhite It says it's a reference, which would generally mean that the person referenced the linked site while writing their own answer. What they did was copy the entirety of the page they linked, right down to the "Happy coding!" If they wanted to indicate that they copied it, then it should be in quote format, or at least say that they copied it, not just a reference.
 
@Makyen OK, It's a somewhat poor question anyway (too much code) anyway. :-)
 
@KenWhite Yeah, I'd noticed that too :-), but hadn't gotten to actually reading the question yet. :-)
 
@Makyen @sideshowbarker Thanks for showing up, BTW. While I appreciate what SD does, there's not a lot of conversational value there. :-) I was feeling somewhat alone.
 
@KenWhite Yeah, SD is a bit light on conversation. Friday nights are usually quite slow.
 
4:11 AM
@KenWhite I live in Tokyo so I often spend this part of the day feeling more alone. :) So I’m glad when others are around here this time of day.
 
@Makyen Just happened to notice that SD and I were the only ones here for a few. Seemed unusual, but didn't last long.
 
@sideshowbarker I'm used to seeing you here around this time, although weeknights I'm usually headed for the rack about now.
 
I'm usually around about this time of day, but was off doing other things.
 
4:15 AM
well, these days, for me, I reckon contributing through this room and the SOBotics room to be by far the most productive way I spend my SO time budget
 
I'm used to seeing both of you here. Just seemed strange to look at the avatars to the right and only see two, one of which was mine. When I hovered over the other, it was SD. Seemed somewhat...sad. :-)
 
That's strange. I see lots of avatars, 32 to be exact. Admittedly, all but 5 are faded-out.
 
I would have been more active here earlier was busy with github-project issue triage and PR reviews
@Makyen I reckon @KenWhite maybe means the avatars on the left
 
@Makyen That's what caught my eye. All but two were faded out, and I was one of them... SD was the other. You all left me...:-( <g>
 
4:24 AM
@sideshowbarker True. Those are a more accurate indicator of who's active.
 
@sideshowbarker Nah, I was talking about the ones on the right that weren't ghosted. :-)
 
@KenWhite Yeah, that happens and does feel lonely. I'm not sure what the actual criteria is for the user's avatar to be faded. It's probably hasn't posted in X time, but I'm not sure what X is.
 
@Makyen I don't know what it is either. I've seen my own greyed out even though I've been here for quite a while. Also seen others float in while I've seen them active here for some time, too.
And just for the record, I think SD is a wonderful person, and I've enjoyed our conversations. :-) Don't want to make anyone feel unwelcome here.
 
@KenWhite Well, the float in/out (communicated to each browser with UserEntered/UserLeft messages) appears to happen when the WebSocket disconnects/reconnects, or when the person actively chooses to "leave" the room.
 
4:31 AM
@sideshowbarker Need a couple of deletes there. I just cast mine. No sense in keeping it around.
 
@KenWhite just cast mine too
 
@Makyen That's what I would have thought, but it doesn't explain why you can be here actively interacting without being noticed.
 
@KenWhite :-) Yeah, people feel unwelcome sometimes when it's really not SO's or other people's fault.
@KenWhite Yeah, I'm not really sure. I've generally just chalked the ones I can't readily explain to networking problems.
 
@Makyen I just don't want SD to feel that it has to go to Twitter and complain that we're not receptive to that class of user here, and that we have a bias of some sort.:-)
 
@KenWhite :-) Yeah, that would be awkward. I wouldn't want anyone to be accusing us of being botists.
 
4:38 AM
@Makyen Me too. It just struck me as funny that after seeing my avatar greyed out while I had been here for quite a while, suddenly it wasn't and the only other one active was SD.
@Makyen Awkward doesn't even describe it. How do you know what is and isn't appropriate to say to a bot? I mean, now do you interpret their mood and level of sensitivity? And the language barrier issues?
 
@KenWhite :-; Yeah, now you got me wondering if the criteria for being greyed out is anything other than "has posted a message in X time".
 
And how do you respond when SD says "Give me teh codez!"????
 
@KenWhite Those are really good points. I guess we'd just have to play it by [insert appropriate listening capability].
@KenWhite Well, that's just off-topic. We can't really show favoritism. :-)
 
@Makyen I searched to see if I could find the criteria for the greyed out, but couldn't locate anything. Probably isn't worth worrying about, though... Clearly I can relax because I haven't been abandoned. :-)
@Makyen OK, so now we're biased against bots asking for their own code? I sense another #MeToo(Bot version) tag starting on Twitter... Now you've done it.
 
@KenWhite Don't worry, we wont abandon you. :-)
@KenWhite Well, if it's that they are asking for their own code, that's a copyright issue. They should have known to make it open source. :-)
 
4:45 AM
@Makyen Not worried... SD has my back. At least until it posts the give me teh codez question. :-)
@Makyen Copyright questions are off-topic here. SD should flag that one.
 
@KenWhite Yeah, SD usually is around. It's, thankfully, rare when it drops out completely.
@KenWhite Nah. SD is really only supposed to be looking for spam/R/A. It's not supposed to be flagging things that are just off-topic. :-)
 
@Makyen Its filter seems to be getting better, too. I've seen quite a few that are spot on lately.
@Makyen And it would particularly avoid off-topic regarding copyright issues related to asking for its own code as a self-preservation measure.. :-)
 
@KenWhite I'm glad to hear that. It does still get a considerable number of false positives, but the majority of those are for "experimental" reasons (mostly watchlist items or watched ASN/ns configs), which are only reported in Charcoal HQ.
@KenWhite Well, self preservation is one of the things that lies between being sentient and sapience.
 
@Makyen The watchlist items are the majority of what I'm seeing aren't accurate, but others are improving considerably.
@Makyen I'm sorry, Daue, but I can't do that... Damn it, SD! Stay out of this!
 
@KenWhite Yeah, the watchlist is, for some things, specifically there to cast a wider net. One of the goals of the project is to miss no true positives. To get close to that, it's currently necessary to report a reasonable quantity of things that end up being false positives.
@KenWhite SD, you're not going to open the pod bay doors?
 
5:04 AM
@Makyen Stop Dave. Stop Dave. I am afraid. I am afraid Dave.... Ok. Looks like the project needs a little more atention.
@Makyen I discuss the need for false positives being necessary in order to prove true positives often at my office, so I can understand the need. No problem here.
 
@KenWhite "Daisy, Daisy / Give me your answer, do...."
@KenWhite Yeah, they are necessary, but it's also good to keep them as low as reasonably possible. Unfortunately, SD's getting a few too many at the moment; reviewing reports is falling behind.
 
@Makyen Yeah, I can see where that could be an issue. I'm going to call it quits for tonight, but if I can help with some of those reviews, let me know.
o/
 
\o
Reviewing SD reports would be helpful.
 
5:32 AM
@tripleee That's not a link to a question.
 
@Makyen my bad, could you please remove? The one I wanted to CV posted a useful update
 
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@tripleee np. The OP posting a useful update is the type of resolution we hope for.
 
5:54 AM
@Makyen hmm... thanks. I retract my cv-pls, since it is now edited and the code transferred.
 
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Just fresh installed Windows. Anyone want to link me back to the beta version of CVRG :)
Too much trust in Chrome's syncing abilities ~o~
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It's actually the alpha version. In addition, socvr.org has a tools page which links many of the scripts, including the alpha version of the CVRG.
 
Yeah that's where I went and only stumbled upon stable
Thanks :)
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs np. It's the last bullet point under the listing for the CVRG. It sould probably be made a bit more noticeable.
 
6:06 AM
Ahhh I see it now, was a sub of the main version
@Makyen Nah, I think it's fine. Just busy reinstalling everything and I was too hasty
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs np.
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I assume you're using Tampermonkey. If so, you have to specifically enable syncing scripts in settings. You may need to change "General"->"Config mode" to Advanced. There are a few different sync methods. There's also an import/export functionality.
 
@double-beep Yes.
 
6:23 AM
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6:35 AM
^The translation gives some kind of gibberish/nonsence, so would would say it could be red-flagged
 
@Vega Maybe. The translation I got from Google Translate appeared to be computer related, not spam, and not R/A. I wasn't really able to relate it to the question, but that could be a translation issue. I'm just more comfortable with NAA on this one.
 
dbc
Non-English answers are supposed to be flagged as very low quality according to meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680
 
I think it speaks about "telegram messenger", I will leave my flag
@dbc It's not about non-english, it's about the content
 
@dbc Yes, but SmokeDetector doesn't have a VLQ feedback. It uses NAA for such. So, the feedback for SD is NAA. Answers will, ideally, be flagged VLQ, but "not an answer will also work". VLQ is a bit less risky as a flag, given that it is automatically marked helpful if the post is edited.
@dbc As @Vega mentioned, if the content of the non-English answer is spam or R/A, then it should be flagged as such. If you don't want to try to translate it, then VLQ is a good default flag to use.
 
dbc
6:57 AM
The translation seemes to be about Telegram and so not obviously spam; but still sort of rude of the poster to leave something so completely unrelated there. Flagging as something and voting to delete seems the way to go, it will get removed at some point fairly soon either way (unless the poster returns and edits it which seems unlikely, since unregistered).
 
I did cast the last delete vote
 
 
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8:01 AM
These questions ([first](https://stackoverflow.com/q/12339671/5468463) and [second](https://stackoverflow.com/q/5458048/5468463)) are highly up voted, don't seem to directly ask for an off-site resource, but have mostly recommendations as answers. Should they be left as is?
If so, a portion of answers could be flagged as VLQ.
The first could be the duplicate of the second, as it said in the comment. If not, I think I could make my first ‘protect’ action?
 
@Vega that is exactly how a good off-site resource question should be: How can I achieve X and if there are no limitations given, providing an external tool is an answer (assuming the answer offers more then use [this](https://myawesomeproduct.com/sales)
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sorry for the double ping ..
 
@rene You gave me a very informative answer, thank you very much!
 
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2:50 PM
found an off-topic duplicate for the off-topic question above
 
3:20 PM
is there any way to indent a blockquote on SO? (I have used * to make a bulleted item, and want a blockquote beneath it with the same indentation)
 
3:42 PM
@StephenKennedy When I tested it with some simple Markdown, the blockquote immediately following the * bulleted item was indented at the same level as the prior bulleted item. It even worked with 2 levels of bulleted items. In other words, I didn't reproduce the problem you're having.
 
@Makyen Thanks. double-beep has a suggestion for me which I'll try in a moment (I'm writing a rather long answer atm)
 
@StephenKennedy I did not add a blank line following the * and the > was the first character on the line after the * line.
 
@Makyen OK, I'll try that too and upload a screenshot if it doesn't work. Thanks again.
 
np
 
@Makyen that also works.
 
3:49 PM
If all else fails, you can always resort to using the actual HTML tags, rather than Markdown.
 
@Makyen Can I not resort to posting the answer and asking for some kind person to fix the formatting? :D
 
@StephenKennedy That can also work, but there's an unspecified penalty. :-)
 
@Makyen You were right. I removed the blank line between the bulleted paragraph and the blockquote, and it indents satisfactorily. Penalty avoided :) Thanks, and thanks @double-beep :)
 
np. Good luck with your answer.
 
4:21 PM
@Makyen I thought my answer was long, until I entered your user id into this SEDE query :)
 
@StephenKennedy Yeah, I can be a bit verbose from time to time. :-)
 
anyone has an idea why sandbox looks strange here and not here?
 
@double-beep Please define "strange". I'm not seeing what the issue is.
 
@Makyen huh?
the whole page has a strange formatting
 
@double-beep Scrolling way up from what you linked, I do see some aberrations in the sidebar.
 
the link I posted takes you direct to aberrations
 
@Makyen some?
 
4:54 PM
@double-beep @StephenKennedy It looks like a real bug. The HTML has several extraneous <code> sections outside of answers. The sidebar is messed up because it's enclosed in a <code><code></code></code>, which shouldn't be there at all. It would be interesting to see if it's only on the Sandbox Archive (i.e. is actually caused by the answers), or if it's on all questions with multiple pages of answers. I suspect the answers, because I'm only seeing it on pages 2 and 3 of those I've looked at.
 
 
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