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1:47 AM
@dippas Just FYI: A custom reason is OK, but "unclear" does cover questions which are not in English.
 
2:10 AM
Without referring to the specific user per room rules, if you have a user who promotes their tool in both of their answers, but also discloses affiliation and provides legitimate information in their answers, how should you handle that?
Is it proper to flag as spam in that case? Or does the fact that they disclosed affiliation and provide legitimate information make it ok?
 
2:27 AM
@EJoshuaS If it's only a couple and real answers (i.e. not just promoting their tool), then it can be OK. Read through the links about spam posts and self promotion. See: What signifies "Good" self promotion?, some tips and advice about self-promotion, What is the exact definition of "spam" for Stack Overflow?, and What makes something spam.
 
M-M
3:25 AM
shouldn't this be on cross validated? stackoverflow.com/questions/56411956/…
 
I wonder how first year CS teachers feel about -->.
 
@M-M I'm not familiar enough to be able to say for sure if it's only a theory question or if it's implementation. It appears to me to be implementation and reasonably bounded, in that they have provided the data. Thus, I wouldn't say it's off-topic here on SO (it might be, but I'm not sure). It's probably also on-topic on Cross Validated, but just the fact that it's on-topic there doesn't mean that it should be migrated. For migration, it needs to be off-topic here.
 
 
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8:23 AM
Waffles™
 
9:24 AM
\o
 
o/
 
10:07 AM
 
Zoe
10:49 AM
Would anyone agree with rolling this question back to rev 4? Most of the edits after that are "I fixed it"-edits that removed parts of the initial question. (If a rollback isn't appropriate, I'll need to manually edit out a lot added in rev 5 and out)
 
@Zoe I'd not risk - edit manually.
 
Zoe
11:03 AM
Taking a second look at it, I actually can't find anything worth keeping. Went ahead and rolled it back
 
11:17 AM
@Zoe Agree with a rollback. Where the question has been rewritten so much that it amounts to non-wilful vandalism, and where answers exist, my approach is to roll back to the version that the earliest answerer would have seen.
I will usually add a comment to explain why the rollback was done, as it can be confusing to LQ contributors.
 
Zoe
I try to avoid leaving comments on anything older than a couple weeks
 
In a nutshell though, if a disastrous set of edits cause you more than a minute or two of work, then that's on the OP. Don't spend time, erm, Polishing a Word ;=)
 
12:15 PM
Hello guys, just decided to see what this room is all about and greet all of you good people doing gods work over here.
After taking the tour, I am under the impression this is the place to post if I am unsure if a certain question, answer or comment should be flagged. Is my assumption correct?
 
@Matthew Personally, I'm doing the devil's work
We are open to all theological and spiritual persuasions here (and of none too)
@Matthew Broadly, yes :-)
However Meta is also fine for this, if you want a view from the wider community.
 
I am looking for a place to pop a quick question before I flag.
 
We can discuss comments here, but there are millions of them, so we generally don't bother. But if you have questions about what the flag categories mean, that's fine.
@Matthew Sure, go ahead - pop a link here and what your question is :-)
 
I'd really like to help out, but I am in constant fear that I might be making things worse by false-flagging (even though I only had one flag so far rejected).
 
Fair enough, that's understandable (and welcome)
 
12:22 PM
Alright I would like to know what to mark as spam. I've read this answer but am still a bit unsure about what the general consensus is about this matter:
 
@Matthew Do you have an example that you think might be spam?
 
"This is in no way an attempt to contribute a real, good-faith question or answer to the site; it's spam that discloses no affiliation and adds no value. This post should be removed from the site and the author should be subject to an administrative penalty, or possibly removed entirely."
 
^ So yes, that categorisation is for spammers who are hawking a product and have no wish to be part of the community.
 
I've recently seen two types of posts; one that is copy-pasting the already accepted answer after the question has been dead for a long time, and the second one just pasting some code with no explanation what-so-ever.
 
If someone gives a great answer and they also happen to have a product that solves the exact problem and they are up-front about it, I tend to give them a pass.
 
12:24 PM
What do you mean with a product? Like someone trying to peddle their wares :D
 
@Matthew Deliberate duplicates without attribution can be custom-flagged for a mod.
@Matthew Yeah, softwares/subscriptions etc
 
Oh wait what the... just had that flag I mentioned declined...
Now tell me that this is not a copy-paste duplicate of an accepted answer.
" This answer is a copy-paste duplicate of an already existing answer. – Matthew 53 mins ago declined - A moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it "
This is the kind of thing I was talking about. Makes me fearful of raising flags, especially since there is that ban on raising flags if enough of them are declined.
 
@Matthew Hmm, yeah
What text did you use to report it? I assume you used a custom report.
 
Yes, I pasted the report above
 
Oh right, no wonder it was declined. This is not nearly spam.
A better report would be: this is identical except for trivial wording to the accepted answer, and I wonder if it is essentially plagiarism.
 
12:29 PM
I did not report it as spam though, but with a custom flag since I was not sure about which flag to use.
So the wording of my report is the main difference between it getting accepted or declined?
 
@Matthew Sure, but the "This is in no way an attempt to contribute a real, good-faith question" wording is a description of a spammer. So the mod did not understand what you were getting at
 
This was my report: This answer is a copy-paste duplicate of an already existing answer. – Matthew 53 mins ago
 
@Matthew Pretty much. The wording between the new answer and the accepted answer is different enough to make it hard to spot they are the same.
 
The moderator actually made no attempt to even establish if it was a false flag or not.
If he actually read it and then went to the question itself he would have seen its an exact duplicate with only a few intro words added, but the content of the actual answer is literally identical.
So what do I do in these situations, is there a way to appeal the rejection?
 
Oh right, sorry - I read you wrongly. Didn't see you had put the report text there. Maybe "already existing answer" should have been "accepted answer" so he/she did not have to search. But I agree with you. You could report it to Meta to appeal it.
 
 
However, I sometimes write off a mod misunderstanding and just move onto the next thing - I can raise 30 good flags in the time it takes to have a Meta discussion :=)
 
@halfer Okay I will be more careful in the future and try to word it better.
@rene Thank you for that, what happens there?
 
@Matthew No worries, and don't take mod rejections personally - we all have cases where a mod decision was "obviously wrong", but it's best not to lose sleep over it
 
@halfer True I am just bothered about it for some reason, guess it's my OCD :p
 
@Matthew it is called a one-box and we have a no-one-box policy in this room so I removed your original bare link chat message. see socvr.org/faq#GEfM-not-noisy
 
12:37 PM
@Matthew Oh, we all have OCD in here. It's the only thing that keeps us going ;-)
 
@RENE What is no-one-box policy, can you elaborate further?
"Please refrain from using oneboxes/noisy formatting. When posting a URL, use link syntax to make the link flow with the text, like look at this post." - Gotcha!
 
I miss waffles.
 
I sent you a box of waffles last week!
 
I sent you stroop
 
@StephenKennedy Hmm yeah, that one wasn't very tasty, sorry. :/
 
12:40 PM
@halfer So how do I go about reporting this on meta? Do I just make a regular question about why my flag was rejected or do I DEMAND it to be revised else the wrath of god shall descend on SO?
 
@Matthew Well, just make a regular post, and treat folks like you would colleagues. "I wonder if this could be looked at again" is probably a good approach
I once tried hitting someone with Lucifer's own trident, and HR got involved shortly after
 
Okay so no biblical threats. I have to say that's quite anti-climactic.
 
Meta link posted by Matthew Flag declined on spam answer
 
Yep, and the guidance extends to plagues, locusts, and all that malarkey too. Turns out people don't like existential threats.
 
12:43 PM
@Matthew please do know that rejected flags stay rejected even if a mod would admit they got it wrong.
 
HR made me return the trident to Hell, as they said they didn't want an offensive weapon on the premises. Spoilsports...
 
@rene Oh snap, so the best I can hope for is for a sincere apology?
 
@rene ... but the post can still be zapped :)
 
@Matthew yep, just move on
 
Is there any particular reason why rejected flags cant be revised?
That policy seems a bit counter-productive to me
 
12:45 PM
@Matthew the system doesn't offer that feature.
 
@Matthew Mods can convert any flag response to Disputed, but not to Helpful or Declined. I guess that's to prevent abuse
 
also see previous meta discussions: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/declined-flags
It is also not that important. You need to be wrong with your flags all the time to be flag banned by the system
And then making a fuss on meta for one flag is not going to help
 
@rene Alright so I guess I should just post a question about why the flag was declined without any further implications or finger pointing not to ruffle any moderators feathers.
 
@Matthew You could do if you wish, or you could just raise a bunch more flags :)
 
I should probably order some more SOCVR popcorn, we're running low
 
12:51 PM
@Matthew yes, that would be best type of Meta question, assuming it hasn't been on a similar situation discussed many times before. Research before asking is required on Meta as well.
 
@rene Yes of course, but this is a specific situation about a specific answer which is clearly a duplicate.
I will try to reference other questions to indicate that I've read them.
 
I didn't check the actual post so I can't comment on that but in general the This is clearly fubar and you all got it wrong and I got it right are the best Meta posts for lots of popcorn.
 
Meta is indeed my favourite soap opera.
 
@Matthew if you think that specific answer (which I now read) is not useful, why didn't you downvote it?
 
12:58 PM
@rene Because I thought it will get quickly removed. No need to spend my points on that.
 
@Matthew you'll get your rep returned if an answer gets deleted.
Do note that answer went through three review queues: stackoverflow.com/posts/56414550/timeline
 
@rene Oh I didn't know that. I try to save my reputation points as much as I can, as I feel that earning them on Stack Overflow is like working for a minimum-wage at McDonalds.
 
@Matthew You need to vote if you want to make a difference.
 
@rene I do vote as much as I can, just not for the ones that I think are gonna get deleted because I didn't know that you get them back in that case.
@rene Not all of use get an average of 50 points per question/answer and I need to somehow grind my way up to that sweet 2k so I can finally edit posts autonomously, that's what I do best.
@halfer What tags should I use for the question?
 
Now there's a platform for the next mod election: tax the rich! That'll be 10% of your rep please, Rene.
 
1:09 PM
@Matthew here is the advice for that specific answer: It is an answer so it is most likely not going to get removed by any of the standard flags. The answer isn't a blatant one-on-one copy (yes, we do see that as well) so calling it plagiarized isn't a strong case, specially when there is only one or two lines to go on. What you should have done as a minimum is: down vote, leave comment explaining why the answer isn't adding anything new.
Maybe raise a custom mod flag explaining the answer is a copy of the accepted answer without new info but normal flags will probably not delete it. But you stil run the risk a mod declines as the community didn't exhaust all their available options. You can bring it to meta. I'll copy the above message over in an answer in that case, giving me lots of meta rep.
@Matthew compare your voting stats against mine ...
 
@rene I am already done with the question, can you tell me which tags are best suited for this type of question? I myself also yearn for meta reputation, let's pool our resources to make this question a hit!
 
@rene But it does add something new: "Dialects are removed in recent SQL". Seems like useful info if true. Anyway, no bother, I have popcorn.
 
@StephenKennedy sure.
I'll eat from your batch
 
@rene Here is the posted question, now let's watch it get downvoted into oblivion :D
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@StephenKennedy Thank you, I've tagged it like that already.
 
1:17 PM
puts more popcorn in the pan
 
@rene The flag I raised was a custom one.
 
1:42 PM
@StephenKennedy I borrowed that observation in my answer.
 
@rene Thanks a bunch. I'll repay you in due course. :)
 
\o/
 
@Shree That doesn't seem especially broad to me Shree, and the answer is only one sentence. What am I missing?
 
@rene Thank you for the answer, I will ask a couple of sub-questions in the comment and then accept your answer.
 
2:00 PM
@StephenKennedy Hummm . Thanks for review and head up. I confuse between loopbackjs tag and actual node frame work. Trace that please. I retract my flag.
 
@Matthew I expect the moderator that handled your flag will show up in 6 to 8 hours so I would wait a bit before accepting.
 
@Shree You want me to bin the request?
 
Yep .
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (by request)
 
@Shree I've retracted too
 
2:04 PM
@rene Alright, will do.
 
@StephenKennedy SO CVR can be the proletariat upon whose labour a number of portly cats get well-fed (no offence Compass).
@StephenKennedy The moderators are the petit bourgeoisie
 
@SmokeDetector I wonder what kind of test this is. :)
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter TESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTEST
 
taps mic
 
@double-beep Is that a test of my patience? :)
 
2:15 PM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter Is double-beep a test of your patience?
 
@StephenKennedy It could be a test of my attention: *double beeping noise* ping!
 
@StephenKennedy beepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeep
 
@double-beep Duodecuple Beep :)
 
@StephenKennedy more beeps, more beeps!
 
The beep cometh, and the beep taketh it away. :<
 
2:20 PM
Sir double-beep the DOUBLEBEEPER TESTTESTTESTTESTer
 
Next comment going like "Can the downvoter please explain?", I shall heroically emerge and say "Hail, esteemed peasant! Which matter do you wish explained?"
 
Less beeps? More? (could you repeat the question?)
 
2:37 PM
@SirE_net4theDownvoter I appreciate you're new to the aristocracy, but "esteemed peasant" does not compute
 
That first hit is intriguing.
> De Clippel (2006: 42-3) argues that the humanistic public of Bruegel and the artist himself used ancient sources such as the writings of Pliny to lend artistic legitimacy to the lowly esteemed peasant genre.
 
 
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hmm.... SE API appears to be pretty slow and late to respond
 
4:42 PM
Is this spam or does it disclose enough? The question is soliciting for opinion I guess.
second attempt to drop that domain on posts on SO.
 
It's gone now from what I can see, and Community protected the question...
 
user nuked
 
 
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6:59 PM
@halfer Know anything about "Spring Boot"?
@eyllanesc What programming language is that?
 
7:14 PM
@StephenKennedy C++
 
@eyllanesc Thanks. I've added the tag - that should get more people looking at it
 
@StephenKennedy It's a more comfortable version of Winter Boot?
:-p
 
@halfer You know as much about it as I do then! :)
 
I have not used it, but I believe it's a simplified version of the Spring Java web framework with some nice defaults to make it easier to jump into.
@StephenKennedy Pretty much
I'm not into Java unless it's in a caffeinated drink
 
activates coffee snob mode Ethiopia > Java
 
7:27 PM
:-]
We're lucky here in Birmingham, great indie cafe scene
 
I'm currently drinking Asda instant, mind, as my machine is pis... leaking water :(
@halfer not to mention a fine selection of Balti/curry houses!
 
Loads of nice places to get a Aerobie Double Drip V60 Soy Layered Latte Machiatto
 
soy?! friendship ended!
 
@StephenKennedy Oh yes, we argue with Manchester as to where the Balti originated
Hah! You're an almond milk person! Grr!
(To be fair, I am still on the cow version, but I'm up for trying new things)
 
 
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9:10 PM
How do I link questions here - that I would like an opinion on what to do with them?
I want the chat line to be formatted properly like the ones above, sorry for the silly question.
 
@Matthew Just write some words and then put the link after, on the same line.
It will then not one-box.
 
What is the correct way to create a form that goes to the same page in codeigniter? - What should this question be flagged as? If it should be flagged at all, I am just checking in with you guys.
 
That question is unclear to me
 
@Matthew Yeah, too brief. I would say Too Broad.
The real issue is that it probably won't be useful to anyone else, so it should be closed.
 
So too broad or unclear, what is a more accurate flag?
 
9:13 PM
Either is good.
 
I am always split between the two in these scenarios because it fits the bill of both.
 
Note that the room rarely has perfect agreement on a reason - it is mostly practice, judgement and a little bit of matter-of-opinion. Really it does not matter out of those two.
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@halfer Roger that :)
 
It's apparently clear to someone in the comments
unless they are just trolling
 
9:16 PM
Yea I've noticed that as well
But was more of a general question on what to do with these types of questions.
 
The question is now 3:1 for unclear vs broad
 
Yai I voted unclear!
Wish I could see these ratios as well :/
A few more thousand edits and I am there :D
Also don't know why it takes quite a long time to resolve some of these flagged questions like this one: Best visualization tool to use when uploading survey data from excel?
This was 2 days ago so it's worrying me a bit that I have incorrectly flagged again.
Eh, sorry for spamming here but here is another one I am unclear under what category (if at all) it should be flagged: Uploading (asynchronously) multiple images to Google Cloud Storage
Many questions do not have a Minimal, Reproducible Example. Should these questions be flagged or just informed of this in the comments?
 
@Matthew There's often quite a bit of confusion about what questions require a MRE/MCVE. A MCVE is only required for debugging questions (although, homework questions must show an attempt). Debugging questions are "why isn't my code working the way I want?" or "fix my code for me". No other question types require code. However, code usually greatly helps to narrow and clarify a question (i.e. without code, questions are often, but not always, "Too Broad" or "Unclear").
 
@Makyen What is MCVE?
 
@Matthew Minimum Complete Verifiable Example
Plenty of background on this over at Meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mcve
@JohnDvorak Ooh, nice site. They use radio devices to generate perfectly random data from the atmosphere. Tech toys :-)
@Matthew Normally we would not touch that one, as it is too old. But since it is NATO (new answer to old question) we can, as per room rules. And this one can be "Primarily Opinion Based".
 
9:34 PM
@Matthew It's unclear to me if you are joking, or if you are asking a real question. You may be joking due to the very recent introduction of the Minimal, Reproducible Example (MRE) term, a change from MCVE. For more detail, you can see MCVExit redux: I don't need a milkshake to know when I've missed the mark and Min-Reprex: a less awkward name for MCVE
 
@Matthew In fact, this one is collecting "Resource Recommendation" votes, so I have changed my mind. But, again, it does not matter too much - both apply.
 
@Makyen I am not joking, I am pretty new to this site and would like to help out as much as I can. Trying to get a hang of things, that's why I am asking questions here. Sorry for not being up to speed with things, sitting down and reading every meta post on every term would take way too much time for my nerves.
Also newcomers cannot be expected to know every established convention an old community such as SO has... I think this should be pretty clear to most people.
 
@Matthew If you are talking about close-flags, then the reality is that a lot of those will never end up being handled and will just age away (most of us have a large number of aged away close-flags). Raising a close-flag on a question puts the question in the Close Vote Review Queue. This queue is always quite large. However, at the moment, there are only 6,800 questions in the queue, which is actually quite low for that queue.
Basically, there are not enough people that review questions in that queue. Thus, most questions just age out of the queue after a few/several days. Questions with > 100 views age out of the queue much faster than those with < 100 views.
 
If I am bothering you guys with my questions, just let me know. I'll try to figure things out on my own.
 
@Matthew It's fine for now, but if the room becomes permanently about how to use it, regulars won't see reports to act on. :-)
@Matthew Yep - old-timers are often unaware of how many memes and in-jokes they know.
 
9:43 PM
@Matthew funny enough MCVE is findable in the help but only after a meta post about it ... now try roomba
 
@Matthew The reason I considered that you might be joking is that the change from MCVE to MRE is very recent and was not popular. The initial announcement of the change has the the lowest score of any question on Meta. Given how new you are, I leaned towards it being a real question.
 
Also, some questions (that are obvious to seasoned users) are sometimes asked with poker-face sincerity, like, "is the Pope Catholic?" and we wonder if our leg is being pulled.
:-)
Although I am unsure of whether bears use wooded areas for latrine purposes these days, I think they prefer mountains now...
 
@Matthew Nope, you are not bothering us. Questions are a good thing. You just stumbled across an issue that raised a considerable amount of negative feeling from people and is still a bit raw. The change from MCVE to MRE is something that will take a considerable amount of time to happen fully.
 
*min-reprex
 
I see what's the problem here: "To be an effective member of this room you'll need access to the review queues and you’ll need to have some experience on Stack Overflow. Ideally 3k reputation, but 1k will do. That assumes you know the core of the site and assumes you have enough experience in (self)moderation." - What are the chat room rules?
Think I am here way before my time...
 
9:52 PM
@AndrasDeak Nice drugs ya got there
@Matthew Stick around! We already have one fox, another one would be welcome.
 
Is there a short and concise manual about moderating suitable to new SO members?
 
We have a couple of cats too
@Matthew Probably not. It just requires feeling your way around, reading Meta, lurking here and in other rooms, etc.
 
This is way too much information to absorb without harassing you guys with a ton of questions. There has to be a document of that sort that would bring me up to speed with some of the key points I am struggling to understand.
 
The SO CVR guidelines are good, and the Help Centre is good.
 
@Matthew If moderation is something you are interested in, then this is a good place to be. Users with less than 1k rep are not restricted from participating, but there are moderation actions your won't be able to do until you have more reputation. Just by reading the FAQ, you have indicated more consideration than most.
 
9:55 PM
can confirm, most people don't read even when explicitly pointed at
 
I can confirm also that ^ didn't read the FAQ
 
I read a FAQ
 
Yes, me too.
 
I try my best to be informed and help the community as much as I can. After all I've been using SO for longer then I can remember without even having an account, now it's time to start contributing. Seems like the best way I can do that is with moderating and editing questions. I try to post questions and answers but judging by the amount of upvotes I receive seems to be not particularly useful.
 
Don't strain yourself asking, most of the constructive work to be done is in answers, if anywhere :)
 
9:58 PM
well, suggesting edits will put you over 1K so ... that is always an option
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter I'm liking the new name. Are you feeling a bit, erm, crabby today? :-p
 
Currently trying to understand this section How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. So what tag would be the most appropriate to use when I am looking for an opinion on what flag to use?
 
no tag, I imagine (but i'm not a regular)
cv-pls (delv-pls etc.) is a very specific action
 
So what are these tags for then?
There is a review-pls tag that closely resembles what I am asking for, or not?
 
I'd use a starting uppercase letter and an ending question mark ;)
plus at the end of the day nobody will tell you what moderation action to take
 
10:05 PM
@Matthew It's not unusual to get very few upvotes per post. For instance, well over 50% of my answers have 0 or 1 upvote. Most of the ones with more than that just happened to be useful to multiple people, or get more attention.
@Matthew The tags are intended to be used when you want people to look at something specifically with an eye to taking an action. If you are just wanting people to provide opinions, then no tag should be used. As to the review-pls tag, that's intended to direct people to a specified review task in one of the Review Queues with the desire that they take action on the review task.
 
@halfer The ban on talking foxes hasn't gone as well as I'd hoped :)
 
@Makyen I didn't wanna come off as a rep hunter with mentioning the upvotes, its just that upvotes mean that people found that question/answer useful, and I am quite happy if I get a single upvote on the vast majority of my contributions. So all in all I feel I am contributing the most by moderating (as bad as I might currently be at it, it's better then nothing).
@Makyen Ah okay, so I should use those tags when I want you guys to jump on a particular questions flagging bandwagon. When in particular should these tags not be used then?
 
@Matthew There's an element of luck involved too. I have 150 upvotes on an easy answer about Visual Studio. It's far from being my best answer but people found it useful. You never know which post will hit the jackpot.
 
@StephenKennedy Keep trying :-)
@StephenKennedy Yeah, I have the same score on a Netbeans gotcha.
Looks like IDEs are a good way to cheat the rep system!
 
@Matthew The tags listed in that section of the FAQ should only be used when you want users to take the action indicated by the tag. However, I should be clear that all of those tags are "please", not "do it or I'll stab you". While most request posted here do get handled, some don't.
 
10:15 PM
@StephenKennedy Meh, I would be happy if more then 20% of my posts got at least a single point, no need to hit the jackpot as I am not asking/answering to hoard points. Its all about feeling like I am helping at least one other person in some way.
@Makyen Yea no problem here. But obviously I should not use that for every single flag I raise, when in particular should I use them?
This is from the FAQ: Limit the number of requests you make, particularly cv-pls requests, to "reasonable" numbers and rates of posting. The exact limits are not specified.
 
@Matthew Keep in mind that a significant number of people who write question can't upvote. Thus, even if they felt your answer was useful, they are not able to give you an upvote.
 
@Makyen They could at least accept the answer...
 
@Matthew That requires them to read the Help Centre ;-)
 
@halfer Ferris the crab is actually a pretty friendly fella. Unless when they go unsafe.
As for my title, I shall bear it with pride henceforth.
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter Crabby is insufficiently crabby
 
10:21 PM
@Matthew Those rules are in #11. The basic issue is that for cv-pls requests we just don't have enough people and closevotes to handle all of the questions which people vote to close. So, the cv-pls requests posted here should be for those questions which benefit the community the most to have closed.
 
@halfer True. If I get a comment thanking me but they do not accept the answer I usually link the relevant Help center post about what to do when their questions get answered.
@Makyen Okay so spam-like posts and low-quality ones only.
 
@Matthew Yeah, it's good to do that if you think they don't know how voting/acceptance works. However, acceptance is not mandatory.
It's like good manners - you can steer clear of people who have a poor accept rate, but you can't make them accept.
 
@Matthew True, although a considerable number don't know how that works. And, frankly, the significant majority of people asking question only really care about getting an answer that works for them. They don't really care about using the site responsibly.
@Matthew Well... spam posts are primarily handled by SmokeDetector/Charcoal HQ. SmokeDetector is a bot that scans all new or edited posts on all Stack Exchange sites for spam/rude/abusive posts. It then reports them so people can flag the posts. SmokeDetector does report such posts into this room which are on Stack Overflow.
 
10:36 PM
@Matthew I've just been through the first page of your answers. The vast majority of them are on questions asked by people with less than 100 rep. All but one was asked by somebody with less than 1000 rep. Chances are many of these users don't know how to upvote or don't have the privilege - you may very well have helped them.
Also: Many of the questions are at 0 score or less; quite a few are off-topic. Imho, the best way to help is to answer high quality questions which will get Google hits and help future visitors not just the OP.
 
@StephenKennedy The problem with high-quality questions is that they get answered in under 1-2 minutes most of the time (not even exaggerating), and I am just not skilled enough to answer a complex Java question under 2 min. But that's actually a good thing for SO, just don't see how I can contribute there so I try to help out new users.
 
@Matthew Yeah, that is indeed a problem and I sympathise. (I don't do fastest gun in the west either, and I'm still under 10k after 9 years).
 
That's why I am here helping you guys \o/
 
\o/
 
11:05 PM
@Matthew Do not be disheartened. Even tough FGIWs there are times when an opportunity to go in deep on a post even with a FGIW answer misses its mark. c# tag has the same problem but I try (emphasis on try) not to take it on and focus on answering the post best I can.
Sometimes I would be just wrapping up a long answer only to see some one post almost the exact same thing.
Sure I get a little miffed when i have to scrap all that effort. If they missed a piece I would even add or edit theirs to improve. Focusing on the purpose of the Site in the first place
eventually OPs will take notice and even give you a chance even when there are FGIWs present
 
^ I take the view that long-form answers adopted towards general use-cases are better than FGITW anyway. So, generally, that's the kind of answer I write.
 
@Nkosi Yea you're right, I just feel that most of the time spent on this stack is a waste of time due to the lack of attention most of my contributions receive. That's just a feeling and it may or may not be rooted in reality. However I still feel an obligation to contribute and that is more important then a feeling of self-worth anyhow.
 
11:21 PM
@Matthew My approach is to just do what I enjoy. I like answering questions, but I am much more choosy about what I answer these days. I like editing, voting, and curating, even though I get no points from those activities - it is intrinsically constructive.
\o G'night all, need to hit the hay
 
@eyllanesc: no
 
@eyllanesc also recommendations
 
and not related to a coding problem with a program
 
yep
 
11:39 PM
I flagged it as primarily opinion based, hope that's ok.
Gonna try out this cv-pls tag now
I know this was not the spam type that we talked about, but it's just a test. Did I format it right?
 
@Matthew If you think it should be closed, then the correct tag is cv-pls, not flag-pls. flag-pls is mostly for spam or rude/abusive (if not using SmokeDetector).
 
@Makyen Okay I got it.
 
@Matthew Go ahead an re-post that request, assuming you meant cv-pls. I'll move your earlier one to /dev/null. Basically, your request will get much more attention with the correct tag. With flag-pls it will most likely not be seen by many people.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Should that post be flagged with Off-Topic -> Questions seeking debugging help...?
 
11:55 PM
@Matthew You have identified the close reason which the request indicates should be used. However, you should use your own judgement as to the correct reason, and if you feel it should be closed.
 
@Makyen Are you talking about the MCVE question that Hover posted here?
 
@Matthew Yes. That is the one which you were talking about in the message of yours to which I replied.
 
@Makyen Okay, I was just asking him what flag did he want us to raise. I am still learning all the lingo and what flags are connected with each phrase.
 
@Matthew: please don't re-post close requests
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I was instructed to do so...
 

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