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12:01 AM
 
12:24 AM
waffles
 
@StephenKennedy what is he waffling about?
 
@tink I clicked through to a related question from the post above my waffles (NOT via a user profile) as it looked likely to be off-topic... it was, so I 'd it... came back here and saw it was by the same user :) facepalm
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waffles -> crepes -> whatever happened to Vega? no longer pingable :(
 
12:57 AM
@StephenKennedy heh
 
1:32 AM
@Makyen please remove my request, the OP has provided an MCVE
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
 
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6:26 AM
\o
 
Question, all OP has done here is asked "I want a chart like in this other question" - Surely I should be CV'ing that as a dupe of the question linked? stackoverflow.com/questions/33748145/…
Today is a great day for a country very dear to me.
Waffles, ignore the link on this message, was meant to point to this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/56286990/…
 
7:24 AM
@MichaelDodd Aw, some good news for once :=)
 
@MichaelDodd I'd go for too broad, because they want a gradient on the same graph, which is an extension of the original question imo
 
7:52 AM
will we continue saying no MCVE? The close reason has changes to "Please see [mre]"
with actual link ofc
 
I'm guessing the terminology will exist in parallel for quite some time, with new people probably using MRE because that's what they see, and old people gradually switching over until the last few stalwarts are dead or banned from participating
 
@halfer descriptive answers?!? What a thing to demand of us, like we actually like answering. I only give vague, hand waving arguments on principle
 
@double-beep Or at least until the cv-pls script is updated
 
@Adriaan ASAP too plz!
 
o/
 
7:57 AM
\o
 
8:07 AM
@tripleee That matches my expectation.
 
8:48 AM
was anyone else pinged in Sandbox?
a user posted something very long and I was pinged :(
 
Mr Trump is going to love that isn't he? (He'll be hosted by a lame duck PM)
 
9:50 AM
@StephenKennedy Can't wait for his first meeting with Prime Minister Johnson
 
@MichaelDodd You silly billy. What sort of country would let a clown like Boris near governm.... oh
 
@StephenKennedy We're only making plans for Nigel...
 
10:05 AM
also NAA answer
 
10:22 AM
@Zoe Bookmark that for a del-pls on Sunday, accepted answer
 
Zoe
Done
 
eligible for 20k deletion, though <-3
 
Zoe
meh, there's better stuff to spend 20k deletion votes on
 
I suppose that 2 days limit to delvote is annoying?
 
@Zoe that's one of the few things I don't regularly run out of
 
Zoe
10:31 AM
oh
 
@Makyen why does the cv-pls userscript only show reopen-pls, it should be able to generate a del-pls as well when I have the privilege?
 
no-repro
 
Zoe
@tripleee del-pls is privilege-independent
Are you using the alpha version?
 
@Zoe quite possibly, how can I tell?
 
Zoe
Open whatever userscript plugin you're using, and look at the version
 
10:33 AM
1.6.6 last updated 14 days ago
 
Zoe
It doesn't explicitly state alpha, but you can compare that to the master branch
1.6.6 is the latest stable one
 
@tripleee the alpha is 1.8.7.0
 
@Zoe waffles are better IMO.
 
Zoe
meh
 
10:35 AM
:(
 
Zoe
Geis made a userscript that adds a button to randomly edit in a food-related item into the previous message
 
both are meh. Long live
 
both are meh. Long live
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10:37 AM
xD
 
meeeeeeeeeeeh
 
I prefer
 
aw hot damn, bringing out the big bois now xD
 
@double-beep New update include ?
 
10:39 AM
@NickA I'm voting to close this cheese as off-topic because it is a meh.
 
real gender-unspecified/neutral/indifferent/confused persons eat
 
@Shree maybe, but with JavaScript pls.
 
@double-beep JavaScript ^
 
11:53 AM
@MichaelDodd Op edit and add code.
 
@Shree tbh I still have no clue what they're asking
 
@MichaelDodd Humm ok . Thanks for review.
 
Is this off-topic? Basically they try to plot log(0), which is mathematically not defined (probably a dupe as well, but I meant more in general)
 
@Adriaan That's a tough one. Division by 0 is a common problem, but it might not be obvious that a log scale doesn't go to 0. Is there a dupe you can use?
 
12:09 PM
That might work
I'm no Matlab guy tho
 
@Adriaan You should've known about the dupe i suggested, i mean you did edit it 2 years ago ;p
 
@NickA I edited >1800 posts, like I remember each one :P
@Machavity so I was fairly certain there would be a dupe somewhere (by now it has been hammered) but I meant in the more general case: what to do with questions which are mathematically impossible? This one for instance, is mathematically wrong (which my answer outlines quite elaborately), and has nothing to do with programming
 
I'll preface this by saying this is just my opinion
 
12:25 PM
waits patiently
 
Except for mathematical impossibilities (i.e. "Why can't I divide by 0?" which needs to be discussed on a math site) we should try to offer a canonical as to why you can't do that. I liked Nick's dupe for that reason
Explains log 0 is impossible and offers a way to work around the problem
 
@Machavity but log(0) is a mathematical impossibility (same for getting 10k principal components with only 400 observations)
 
@Adriaan I don't think I explained myself well, then. It's impossible but the code is asking how to do it, not why it's impossible
 
Ah, so we'd basically tell them "You can becuz mahts, here's a workaround"
 
Exactly
And if there's no existing canonical, there's no time like the present to make one
 
12:29 PM
Feels awkward to me, being a scientist, to try and circumvent the mathematical boundaries, but what you say makes sense, sort of.
 
Morning
 
I vaguely remember a meta post about programming problems coming from non-programming issues (mathematical impossibilities, but also the date thing Jon Skeet answered so brilliantly) but I forgot where it is
 
I don't think it would be any different to a question saying how can I plot tan(x) in the range 0 -> pi rad, and the answer would be, skip pi/2 rad
 
12:32 PM
@NickA probably that's around in as well... them students
 
I liked Nick's suggested dupe because it tells you that Matlab considered how to work around needing a veritable log 0
 
@Machavity that answer isn't sung enough, as well as that question actually already stating that they know log(0) is undefined
 
Zoe
12:51 PM
Are reviews considered recent activity? (I know suggested edits do, but what about VLQ?)
 
@Zoe Well, what was the outcome of the LQP review?
 
Zoe
none (it's pending)
 
Do you want to take action on the post which has review pending, or is review pending on an answer and you want to cv-pls the question?
 
Zoe
cv-pls the question (it's a library rec)
 
Not sure. @Machavity?
 
Zoe
12:55 PM
Last activity 5 months ago, the only new thing is the review
 
@StephenKennedy It's a bit of a grey area. We don't know who flagged it NAA. It's possible that you could flag NAA and then turn around and use that as a reason to CV. OTOH, that's a bit conspiratorial and hard to police
 
Zoe
That can still be proven by reviewing
You can't review posts you've flagged
But you can flag posts you review, so that's kinda weird. Aside the point though
 
@Zoe you can, before you review, flag the post. Then, review, lol
 
Zoe
that still requires it being in review first, meaning someone else flagged it first
 
1:07 PM
@double-beep Shush, that's a useful bug ;)
 
pls dont repotr it
 
I've seen the question and it deserves to be closed, and consider Zoe a trusted regular who wouldn't knowingly abuse the system. Therefore, if it is a grey area, in this case I would allow it. However, as the Q is on 4 close votes already I'd leave it for now and hope the queue will deal with it.
cc @Zoe
 
Zoe
With one vote left, it isn't as big a deal any more. The general answer is still nice to know though
!!/location
 
@Zoe iBug/DeepSea
 
Zoe
uh, ok?
oh
socket science is here now
 
1:20 PM
sigh missed one
 
@StephenKennedy That's fine with me. I did note it was an edge case in the broader Suggested Edit issue, we just never discussed it in the meeting
 
@Machavity We didn't? That's a relief, as I couldn't remember discussing it :)
 
10 mins is kinda short sometimes
 
My memory is rather poor sometimes.
 
@StephenKennedy Your memory is poor? My colleague only knows 3 of the 5 world oceans and 4 of the 7 continents...
 
Zoe
1:27 PM
@NickA Wait, there are 7 continents?
 
@NickA 7 continents?! Get outta here! You'll be claiming the earth isn't flat next!
 
Zoe
Please tell me Atlantis is still one of them
 
Europe, Asia, Africa, Murrica... erm.... oh yeah Atlantis, 5.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Everyone knows the earth isn't flat! It's a 3D octagon!
 
you're all wrong, there's only 3:

Ocenia
Eurasia
Eastasia
 
Zoe
1:29 PM
And Atlantis. 4
 
hahaha
 
You're missing Fantasia.
 
@treyBake Hey, 2 + 2 =.... uhm... Big Bro help me out?
 
@Machavity Why, 22, of course.
 
But of course
 
1:31 PM
try telling that to the poles ...
 
Zoe
@E_net4 22? I thought it was 🐟
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(Sorry for making the room smell fishy btw)
 
ӿ
 
Let's try to avoid multi-line messages please (and noisy formatting in general) - we want Rene alive and not collapsing with a heart attack
 
Zoe
Newlines are noisy?
 
Is 5 messages in immediate succession acceptable as an alternative?
 
1:36 PM
4 lines for a message which could occupy 1 line is noisy, yes
 
@NickA Yes? No? Maybe :)
 
1:53 PM
@Machavity Can you try the archiver - your del-pls and my cv-pls are dealt with but it doesn't seem to be picking them up?
 
@StephenKennedy Weird. Not picking up the dels for me either. cc @Makyen
 
Mine picks them up
 
Ok, that's new. Ran it again and got a backoff error
 
Mine picks them up now
 
There might be an API error of some sort. Refreshed the chat and now URRS isn't working
 
Zoe
[status-no-repro]
 
@Zoe [status-no-RO]
(although you can still run the archiver)
 
Zoe
If it's limited to archivers, you've probably to too many requests to trash to the API
 
I get only 2 del-pls's in the URRS! 1 2 huh?
anyone can repro?
 
Sorry for the inconvenience. The RO's are experiencing technically difficulties that they are trying to reprex as we speak.
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2:00 PM
11 errors in the console
 
@Zoe I keep saying we should increase the cv-pls price to a dollar but nobody listens to me
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Aight then... I got some spare yachts if that would help
 
@StephenKennedy you only accept monopoly money? What about real currency?
 
@Adriaan You can't possibly mean the pound... Euros/Swiss Francs are welcome
 
@StephenKennedy the latter is the sole currency I deal with nowadays. I take it you have a suitably located bank account with no declaration to the Murican tax authorities?
 
Zoe
2:05 PM
@StephenKennedy Oh, so you don't take Bitcoin and Liquid Reprex?
 
@Zoe If I take Liquid Reprex I don't sleep for a week :/
 
Zoe
"be careful", they said. "It reprexes sleep" they said. But you took it anyways
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@Zoe Bitcoin is bad for your heart. Causes wild fluctuations
 
Zoe
@Machavity No, it's actually not bad for your heart. You just read the chart wrong. It's "Heart strength over time", not "pulse over time". Unless you can get your heart to pound 12000 times per minute anyway.
 
Do you guys want me to move the messages or do you want to keep them?
 
2:13 PM
I guess it was a temporary thing
 
RIP messages
 
Zoe
F
 
@Makyen I am getting an error in the console when trying to load cv- and del- pages (I suppose it is from URRS) [translated]: HTTP4000 INVALID REQUEST - The server couldn't edit the request because the syntax is wrong.
(XHR)GET - https://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions?filter=!)8aDT8Opwq-vdo8&order=desc&pagesize=60&sort=creation&site=chat.stackoverflow&key=redacted(&access_token=redacted)
where the error is obvious: No site found for name `chat.stackoverflow`. Removing `chat.` shows some data. Why this?
 
2:48 PM
 
3:26 PM
@double-beep is that a reprex?
:)
have things gotten so bad it has spilled over to chat. :P
<*gasp*>, its spreading.....
Right, I've had my fun. Back to the work shop. That cabinet is not going to finish itself. (caught the pun?) To which one is he referring. muahahaha
 
Is it greedy that I just ordered myself 12 donuts from krispy kreme... i live on my own
 
depends. Are you packing for winter?
 
It's a long weekend if that counts
 
12 donuts over 60 hours seems reasonable. A little restrained, but reasonable.
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Well, they do offer office bundles, 48(+12 free)
 
3:37 PM
@NickA Well, if you eat them all while they're still warm... you might be in a diabetic coma. But it might have been worth it
 
but I thought a donut per hour was excessive
 
It's better to die of hyperglycemia than to die of being bitten by one of Australia's wildlife
 
@tripleee The release version of the Request Generator only does cv-pls and reopen-pls. The alpha version of the Request Generator does all types of requests, but doesn't work with Greasemonkey 4.
@Machavity This appears to have been intermittent, probably as a result of something weird going on with the SE API. I'm unable to duplicate. However, it does indicate some areas which can be improved in the Archiver script.
@double-beep That's weird. Are you sure it's from the URRS? The site is something that's currently hard-coded in the URRS as site=stackoverflow.
 
@Makyen That was my conclusion as well. I think it randomly failed, then I hit the rate limit. Waited a few mins and it worked normally
 
@Makyen hmmm.... how to know? I supposed that, since with site=stackoverflow, I get some tags and other info.
 
3:46 PM
@Machavity I'll see if I can improve error handling a bit. There are also some edge cases which it looks like I just punted on (i.e. left for dealing with later).
@double-beep I'd suggest searching for a script with a matching key, as that is a per-application/script value. You can also look for a matching filter (i.e. !)8aDT8Opwq-vdo8) to narrow down which request within the script. The URRS never makes a request like the one you've mentioned. It asks for much more information in all of it's requests (i.e. it uses a different filter).
The URRS also never uses an access_token. Given that the request contains an access_token, it will be something that you've granted access to your account (i.e. gone through the OAuth2 flow to get the access_token).
 
@NickA Ooh yes. Three day weekend!
 
can't wait for that extra day ... and you can take that to the bank!
 
4:02 PM
@Makyen hmm... I believe I have found the responsible usersript. It is called SOX if you know. That guy has done an amazing work over there! Let me see if I can do something.
 
@halfer I hope I didn't just remind you of that lol, I've been counting down the days since May day bank holiday
 
4:59 PM
This seems like a dupe. Does anyone have the original? stackoverflow.com/questions/56296790/…
 
5:27 PM
@NickA Heh, you've only just had three others :=) - in the last month...
They do tend to take me by surprise, yes - I never seem to remember them. I don't get paid for them though, so they are a mixed bag (time off is good though).
 
5:53 PM
@JohnDvorak posted a potential dupe
 
Zoe
Is this on-topic? (got a close vote as a part of a tiny revenge vote spree, just wanna check if it's justified or not).
 
@Zoe Looks on-topic to me. It's certainly not "no MCVE".
 
Zoe
great \o/
 
How's that @Makyen? I've reported other, similar questions, on that very basis. Just because Zoe is a regular ... ? ;)
Morning all, btw /o :)
 
6:08 PM
It's a fairly narrow "how do I?" of the sort I think we should encourage, but some people do think such posts should be closed.
\o
 
Are you trying to trick us into closing your question? O_o
 
Zoe
It might be a size thing. I've closed several similar ones, but they were on the extremely broad "how do I <blank>?" (i.e. "how do I create an app that does <x>"). Not sure if that one crosses the line or not
 
Hmmmm ... So there's no consensus :D
 
Zoe
@JohnDvorak yes plz throw all teh cvs on tehre dont tell anyone its a trap
 
@tink A MCVE is only required for debugging questions (homework questions must show an attempt). Debugging questions are "why isn't my code working the way I want?" or "fix my code for me". No other question types require code. The only question type that can be "no MCVE" are debugging questions. However, code can help other questions not be "unclear" or "too broad".
 
6:10 PM
@Zoe I'll chuck in a downvote too if you like [joking]
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy yes please, and one every day for the next 12 years, starting now. :p
 
@Makyen how about "too broad" then? I'd personally love it if such questions were allowed, because "I don't know what I don't know", and I can't reword such questions. I also find that we're often too harsh on people asking for input on programming issues when it comes to Linux scripting ...
But just going "by the book" :'( ... I think one should CV them.
 
I edited it @Zoe. Rollback if you don't like the changes.
 
Zoe
Nah, it's fine. A lot of the text was edited in response to the duplicate closure that didn't apply, it needed some noise reduction ^^"
 
@tink Without the answer, I'd consider myself unqualified to say if it was too broad, as I wouldn't have an idea what was required to implement it. With the answer, I definitely not consider it too broad. It can be implemented in a very short amount of code and has a concise way of accomplishing it. "Too broad" is when the user starts asking for multiple things at the same time, or something that's quite complex.
Generally, if you can break what's being asked for into multiple separate problems or questions, then it's usually "too broad".
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6:18 PM
And I suppose I just made it eligible for . Grabs popcorn :)
 
Thanks @Makyen, that actually helps
 
Zoe
Is there something on this on meta?
 
@tink np. "How to" questions, even without any code, are some of the best, and most popular, questions on Stack Overflow. The main issue that we get is that many users, particularly those new to programming, just start giving their overall specifications for what they want to accomplish, giving a list of things that they want it to do, saying something like "it should do X, then Y", or what they want is quite complex.
What most of them haven't learned yet is that the process of programming (and engineering; actually problem solving in general) is, to a large extent, breaking a problem down until you get to parts that can be implemented/solved. Stack Overflow wants to have questions asking how to implement the building blocks that are used to solve more complex problems. That way the questions/answers are useful to many future users that can use such answers to build solutions to larger problems.
@Zoe I'm not recalling anything specifically. There are probably a good number of meta questions that touch on what should be considered too broad.
 
6:36 PM
If I saw revision 1 alone without an answer, I'd probably be voting to close it. In its current state the question is marginally better; I think Mayken is right though that the concise answer saves it. It adds some useful knowledge to the site, and proves that the question isn't actually that broad. Still, I could certainly understand if folks disagreed.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Yeah, I would've too tbh
 
[And that's my honest opinion. This room would close a question by the Pope if we thought it off topic so I'm certainly not going to worry about closing one by Zoe (no offence) :)]
 
@StephenKennedy s/The Pope/Jon Skeet
 
him too
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I've actually voted to close some of my own questions. Especially the older ones are, well, trash
 
6:40 PM
same
or disassociated
if I couldn't perform the requisite action
hm
Seems like chat experienced a netsplit
had to refresh to see more than 3 or 4 users in the chat, or send any messages
 
Has anybody seen Tyler H recently?
 
-_-
 
Tyler H? Who's he?
 
TylerH slaps Stephen around a bit with a large trout
 
Name rings a bell...
 
6:56 PM
@StephenKennedy It's he that guy who's always happy?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I feel like that name is disassociated from the person... really strange feeling.
 
8:06 PM
@QHarr Cool, he actually cleaned it up some
 
@QHarr cc: @JohnDvorak @Steve @JimGarrison (cc @Machavity, who's already responded) You all voted to close this question. If you could address this reopen-pls request, that would be helpful.
 
@Machavity Thank you
 
@QHarr still a bit broad but gave it an edit and a re-open vote.
 
@Makyen The question is now open, so there's really no need for responses.
 
8:29 PM
@TylerH Grilled, stuffed or baked?
 
What's that funny odour?
 
It smells fishy
 
@halfer Stuffed; he's not worth wasting a grilled trout on :-P
 
Meeow :D
 
8:30 PM
I was expecting: "what shall I stuff, the trout or the troutee?"
 
Zoe
@halfer No option for deep-fried? What a terrible fast food restaurant this is!
 
I shall get the menu updated immediately! Deep-fried Stephen coming up!
 
Zoe
@halfer Does that nice meal come with a side of flower petals?
 
@halfer 'http://memecrunch.com/meme/E60R/looks-like-meat-s-back-on-the-menu-boys/image.jpg
 
@Zoe Unfortunately that requires pulling the petals off a beautiful flower, but yes, it's an option
 
Zoe
8:36 PM
@halfer I'm sure a blurry flower would suffice. I mean, it's fastfood after all
 
@JohnDvorak He looks like he needs a hug.
@Zoe We need a whole field of blurry flowers, fast food ain't nothing if it's not done at scale
 
Zoe
@halfer pff, that's easy. Flowers re-grow after all
 
@halfer This is starting to sound like genocide
 
@StephenKennedy The social contract between the flower and the eater is that the flower gets a good work-free life up until the point of eating. I expect some flowers would opt for it.
They might aspire to being part of a tasty meal, in fact (though probably more cordon bleu than fast food).
 
@halfer Wasn't there a TV advert with talking chips that were excited to go into the oven? Or have I been taking too much Reprex? :)
 
8:42 PM
@StephenKennedy I've not watched TV in some years, but it sounds possible. The social contract between a human and a cartoon potato!
Hmm, is this a request for ext resources? It's a bit borderline I guess.
 
@halfer The first half is TB/Resource request. The second half looks okay. Not sure what exactly to do with it.
 
I'd say Too Broad unless @halfer can edit it into shape - and if he can't probably nobody can
 
10:09 PM
@Machavity Probably too technical for Super User, it's probably one for Physics or Electronics, not sure
(But yeah, off-topic here!)
 
10:24 PM
 
Zoe
Are there any Firefox plugins that make it easier to grab image URLs from various third party image hosts used in association with SO/SE? (doesn't need to be specific so SO/SE though)
 
cv-pls, tool request
oh sorry, got carried away there.... I have one for Edge if that helps @Zoe?
 
Zoe
del-pls, don't resist the revolution
@StephenKennedy where did that cliff go?
 
when you say "grab urls" do you mean extract the links, or download the images?
 
Zoe
Extract links or make them easier to get (without opening a new tab)
 
10:44 PM
found this but it's more about images than urls so probably no use to you?
 
Zoe
Yeah, that won't work
 
11:08 PM
@Zoe If it's a displayed image, then right-click and select "Copy image location".
Alternately, you can always look at the Page Info's Media tab. That will list all media in the page. It also allows you to block images from sites, if you want to. You can open to the Page Info popup window from Tools->Page Info, or in the address bar click on the info/lock icon and select the right-arrow from Connection, then "More information" and select the Media tab.
 
11:18 PM
Some fun read if someone wants to read how other devs fixes bugs factorio.com/blog/post/fff-296
 

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