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1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@zubairz You appear to think this room is something it isn't. This isn't a room where you post code and ask people questions about it. As you can read in the room description at the top of the left-sidebar, "This room is for support and discussion about reviewing and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. Read our FAQ at socvr.org."
 
@Makyen it's on the right on my screen, is this customizable?
 
@zubairz There are many chat rooms. It's likely that there is one that is at least about the language you are interested in. Please read the room description of any room you join and any FAQ it links to, prior to posting. It's also a good idea to read a significant number of posts in the room to get a feel for what's normally seen in the room. Doing all of that will likely get you a much better response.
 
@double-beep ok sorry
 
why did you ping me!?
@karel I'd better go for Unclear rather than too broad.
 
6:44 AM
Morning all \o
 
Ah the wonders of train wifi that works :)
Good job it is working, I'm on the stopper service and it would be a long journey if it didn't
though at least the New Forest is always lovely, even on a grey day like this
 
@tripleee Well, it can be customized, if you want, but that really was just a mistake on my part.
 
@Makyen that... that... is your chat page!? eeeeek! Full of userscripts...
wondering where you found all of them
 
@double-beep Other than not normally having the sidebar on the left (that was a one-off due to my mistake in saying "left-sidebar", yes, that's what my chat page normally looks like. There aren't that many userscripts, just 15 active on SOCVR's page at the moment. Although, I really should break one userscript into at least a couple/few separate ones.
 
7:33 AM
@Adriaan does the vandalism change anything? they are in their right to delete their question as long as the answer doesn't have any upvotes
 
the answer is good and will help, isn't it?
 
@tripleee No, but the fact that it has an answer IMO does, especially since they initially accepted it. That is, IMO, rude, to unaccept and delete the question. The answer was helpful, and someone put time and effort into answering; it's a fault in the system that people can delete =>0, instead of only when there are downvotes on the answer.
 
@Adriaan we can't subvert the system even if we think it's flawed ... but I agree that unaccepting just so you can delete is pretty obnoxious
undeleted now
 
dur
@Machavity The question asks for the sources (property or class files), where the messages are defined. Isnt't that a offsite-request?
 
8:06 AM
@Makyen Please trash this request as I am writing an answer in case OP is referring to the non-dupe option
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@MichaelDodd Done. Thanks for asking prior to answering.
 
8:17 AM
 
Going to re-instate my request, I don't think the answer I was starting on will work, plus found a second possible dupe
 
xD
you could ask @Makyen to restore it, though
 
@double-beep But that would mean them having to tap some buttons, a remarkable waste of energy :P
 
oof
 
@MichaelDodd Either way works. Personally, I'd probably have gone for the way you did it and just re-posted with explanation. It's not like it was a 2.5 day old request which is gaining extra time/visibility in the room.
 
9:16 AM
PHP tag on a real roll today xD
 
@MichaelDodd but the question is horrible
 
@tripleee Oh agreed, but the answer is still a fp for smokey
 
@MichaelDodd sure, no disagreement there
 
the [wrap] burnination will end soon. There are 8 questions remaining which have some CVs - most of them 3 or 4. Hope you have some spare CVs (unlike me :P)
 
9:40 AM
^ Good response time on that one
 
was it OP-deleted?
 
User nuked so presumably mod-deleted
 
JFF
 
@tripleee FFF
 
Zoe
@MichaelDodd did you mean EEE?
 
9:50 AM
@Zoe Nope, just a great song. One of Public Image's best albums IMO
 
Morning o/
 
10:05 AM
@MichaelDodd I thought she was funny
 
@tripleee Sorry, I only just got the joke now. Combination of not enough coffee and staying up late to watch the snooker last night
 
@MichaelDodd Nooooo, Ronnie, Nooooo
I hope James will just win the entire thing, that'd be awesome
 
@Adriaan Agreed, Cahill looks like he can definitely go far, and he's still an amateur
in fact, the first ever amateur to reach the first round proper
 
@MichaelDodd I thought 3rd, but first since the move to Sheffield?
 
I was really sad to see Graeme Dott almost pull off that amazing comeback, only to lose it in the final frame
@Adriaan Probably, definitely first at the Crucible
 
10:10 AM
Interesting as well to see Shaun playing that well, since he hasn't done much this season in terms of wins
Can't see much of the snooker though this year, as the missus has a two week holiday and is camping in my house :P
 
I think Judd Trump will do his usual thing of cruising through the first few rounds before imploding in the quarters or semis, though with Ronnie out anything can happen now
 
@MichaelDodd he's getting back on track against Tepchaiya now indeed
brb, lunch
 
 
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11:15 AM
@MichaelDodd that's a bit harsh, while this isn't entirely a MCVE they are a beginner asking for help with code they tried to write in earnest
 
@tripleee Why is it a bit harsh? It's true and wasn't written in any harsh language IMO
 
@NickA I mean proposing to close as typo when that's by and large the problem they are struggling with
 
@tripleee Typo is just the shorthand of the reason, it's also unlikely to help future visitors, and that question I think certainly fits that criteria
The fact that they are a beginner is also irrelevant, we judge the questions
 
@NickA fair enough then, though I'd go with too broad (multiple problems and no clear indication what they did to troubleshoot any of them)
 
@tripleee That's fair, my main point was that it should be closed really though :)
 
11:42 AM
@SmokeDetector closed within 40s of asking, proper job that
 
12:10 PM
@tripleee Echoing Nick's sentiments, I nominated it for closure as it wouldn't have much value for future visitors.
 
it's closed as off-topic FWIW, typo/no repro
 
@dur That's not really an offsite request, though. OSR is asking for a library or a tool to do something. What you're missing is that questions like that are opinionated. Asking where in the base code an error message comes from is not the same thing
There's a similar exception for wanting official documentation or libraries (per community managers)
 
Morning
 
12:26 PM
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o/
 
@MichaelDodd by the skin on his teeth, but Judd made it
 
@Adriaan Yep, sounds about right, he never makes it easy for himself
 
12:37 PM
is this question worth a CV? I was thinking opinion-based, but I am not sure at all. Tagging is very poor, also
 
@double-beep Seems fine to me, the difference between soft and hard wrapping isn't opinion based, it's defined
 
I am in trouble now, with what should I replace [wrapping]?
 
Nothing, leave it
 
@double-beep Are we burninating [wrapping] and I missed it?
 
@Machavity no, it will be synonymized to [textwrapping] after cleaning it up. Has this something to do with that?
 
12:43 PM
@double-beep Still not following. Is there a Meta request on this?
 
@double-beep Says whom?
 
It will be in the case of [wrap] when talking about [textwrapping] can't see any reference to [wrapping] being synonymised
 
That's useful context, why omit it ;p
 
12:45 PM
@Machavity I think the meta post is yours?
meta.stackoverflow.com/q/383015 - BR decided that should be merged with [textwrapping] and not [word-wrap] if I understood well
 
@double-beep It is, but I wasn't aware we were doing a cleanup now. Merges/synonyms generally don't require our interaction
 
not all the questions are about [textwrapping] or [word-wrap]
 
@double-beep "should be" and will don't necessarily mean the same thing
 
@BhargavRao Have we started a burn or cleanup of [wrapping]?
Easier to ask the source in this case. I think it's just a misunderstanding
 
dur
12:49 PM
@Machavity Ok, I didn't know. I will remember for the next time.
 
@double-beep You need to remember that we have none of this context, if you want something to be clear you need to make it clear ^^
 
I think related (doesn't apply though) here is rule 26: "... tag cleanup requests must be backed by an MSO post that follows the tag burning process.", I know you're not make a request rather asking for an opinion, but we don't want to jump the gun on something that may not end up happening
 
@NickA there is a meta post about it and an answer by mod
 
1:05 PM
@double-beep "that follows the tag burning process."
 
this is not a burnination request
 
@double-beep That's why I included the "and tag cleanup requests" part as well :D
 
@double-beep Would highly suggest reading this Meta before continuing. Yes, we talked about it, no we didn't reach consensus
 
1:24 PM
@treyBake or unclear
 
@Adriaan yee, tis weird behaviour for a 11k user ..
 
^^changed tag from php to JS as question uses JS code to compile the URI (which in turn gets used by PHP but the issue lies in the JS)
 
Zoe
The hard hat apparently works as Thor's hammer today O.o
 
We don't get many PHP dupe requests :P
 
yeah.. not many at all xD
 
So on DIY there's this question asking if they should be concerned about this house...
 
Zoe
@Machavity I love that first comment though xD
 
1:56 PM
@Machavity I remember seeing you around on DIY, it's easily one of my favourite SE sites to browse, some really good stuff in there
 
@Zoe Pro tip: if the text contains some amount of y's, it's not Portuguese. Also, "Gracias" is indeed Spanish for "Thank you".
 
@E_net4 is it not thanks in portuguese as well?
 
@E_net4 I find the Portugeuse has "o" throughout, something not found in Spanish
 
@Machavity Indeed, "o" is, among other things, the Portuguese masculine article (like "the").
@NickA Nononono
@NickA It's "Obrigado" or "Obrigada" (depending on the speaker's gender)
 
2:04 PM
@E_net4 Well, that's another bit of information that i'm not going to remember ;p
 
@E_net4 also in this case, the user started with a post on es.SO; literally copied to here after 12 hours
 
@Adriaan Why someone would think that was a good idea... I'll never know.
 
Zoe
@E_net4 Oh ^^"
 
2:21 PM
How could this question be posted to meta, given the OP has just 1 rep? Does teams grant some hidden form of rep counting towards meta?
 
yeah, I was wondering about it, too
 
Zoe
Pay to Post on Meta?
 
Oh no, SO is going Pay-2-Win D:
 
Zoe
At least that's realistic gamification :')
 
announces EA and SO partnership
 
Zoe
2:28 PM
@treyBake "Special offer: Get EA and SO Premium Access for just Half A Fortune if you order RIGHT NOW!"
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@Zoe "and for those that really want that special something, pay £55 for the view profile link for a short time only!"
 
Zoe
@treyBake "Not to forget our special, once in a lifetime offer of one free rant on meta, for the low price of $9999.99!"
 
xD @Zoe are you a EA market specialist? Feels like I've seen that ad not to long ago xD
 
Zoe
@treyBake You caught me! I'm not really Zoe, I'm EA's custom-made offer generator and the accountant's assistant :p
 
2:35 PM
@Zoe [and the truth shall set you free][youtube.com/watch?v=Qvp37o1jZUo]
damn I suck at linking actual text XD
 
Zoe
It's [text](url)
 
ooo lemme try it, lemme try it
[go help yourself](www.google.com)
 
@treyBake needs http or https
 
I've been lied to!
 
Zoe
@treyBake Oooh, I see! You want the truth package! That'll just be an additional $49999.99
@treyBake [go help yourself](https://google.com)
 
2:36 PM
[go help yourself][google.com]
o.o
I give up
 
@treyBake round brackets, not square ones ;)
 
Zoe
You used the wrong brackets
that ^
 
so I did xD
kek
 
2:37 PM
experiment in sandbox
 
\o/ he did it
 
hip hip hooray! \o/
 
Zoe
Can I post a cv-pls on a post where a link-only answer was caught in the VLQ queue, or is that a bit of a stretch on the recent activity rule?
 
that looks like a useful site - I might use it to DuckDuckGo things
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy DDG gets much more useful when you start using it for coding
There's so much inline stuff it's amazing
 
2:39 PM
\o/
it's all about the bangs
 
Zoe
Package search is just perfect
YES
 
for DDG
 
Zoe
And bangs
It's pretty much replaced all of my manual engine finding
 
@Zoe that's to be discussed tomorrow(maybe?) but generally the LQP queue is on recent posts so should be active anyway
 
^^ yee and you can set the colour scheme
search results in dark
 
Zoe
2:40 PM
Yeah, that's perfect :D
 
@Zoe That's not a listed reason but it's not excluded either from what I can tell. Is it a terrible question in a low activity tag?
 
Zoe
@NickA So no ^^"
 
@Zoe For now I think the consensus is to check the "active" time, and make an educated decision based on the tag traffic and state of the question
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy tagged android and kotlin (Android is high-volume). 3 line tutorial/documentation location request
 
care to link?
 
ew, I would've just cv-pls'd that, it needs closed lol
 
Zoe
Not anymore ^^"
 
^ my previous "Typo or Cannon Reproduce" is actually because the OP forgot to save their source file
 
That reminds me, I need to order another box of facepalms
 
act now while stocks last
 
2:49 PM
@StephenKennedy ✋🤦🤦🤦📦 I'm packing them up for you
You can only fit so many in a box
 
Thanks mate!
 
Zoe
We just ran out of boxes of facepalms. We do have a new shipment ordered, but it'll take 3-4 until it gets here. But we can cut that down to 1-2 with our brand new Box of Facepalm Shipping Ultimate! For just $399.99, you can have it dropped off while it's being shipped to us!
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@Zoe !?/report Zoe She crazy
 
Wow that is a stark improvement from the usual 6-8 common on SO
 
Zoe
@Machavity Seems like you were intending to report a user - This requires the Unofficial Smokey addon, for the low price of 3 Charcoal mugs!
 
2:57 PM
way to undercut the competition.
rofl
 
Zoe
:D
 
@Zoe That sounds like a terrible way to drink coffee. Why would you want a mug made from charcoal?
 
@Machavity charcoal is a great natural filter. In case your water quality is terrible, pour it through a piece of charcoal to filter
 
Zoe
@Machavity Ssh! Don't question our prices. They're for a greater purpose. We need it to construct skyn-... uh... I mean better servers! Yeah, totally
 
@Zoe skynyrd?! How exciting!
 
Zoe
3:04 PM
lol
 
@Adriaan The water flows through the charcoal and the impurities are left behind?
 
@StephenKennedy Guess so.
 
Do you see how that might be considered a flaw in a coffee mug? :)
 
@StephenKennedy hey, it's not my design :P
 
Ah, Zoe. She's already argued against my analogy of something being "as useful as a chocolate teapot" because, um, she could eat them :/ :D
 
3:12 PM
@StephenKennedy fair point
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy stop reminding me of that... It makes me want a chocolate teapot >.>
 
@Zoe Now I know what to get you for your birthday that's one less thing for me to worry about :)
 
@StephenKennedy guessing what someone's birthday is in Norway is easy: either "The dark day" or "The light day"
 
Zoe
I can legally drive after my birthday though ^^" At least once I get my license, but I'm hoping to get it on the same day
 
So you're saying you want a car?
 
3:20 PM
@Zoe neato! I've always wanted to learn how to drive a forklift
 
Zoe
@Adriaan Well, all the days 'til now have been excluded, so that only leaves (365 - <however many days have passed this year>) days
 
You'll have to make do with the chocolate teapot I'm afraid.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Not really
I'm gonna move into a city in 2020, and cars in Trondheim are expensive af xd
 
@Zoe isn't everything in Norway? I mean, paying 9 euro for a beer in Råkvåg makes one wonder
 
Zoe
@Adriaan 25% VAT.
 
3:22 PM
@Zoe not that high; NL has 21% as well (Switzerland OTOH 7%)
 
Zoe
To put it like this though, stuff is expensive, but paychecks also have more digits
@Adriaan yeah, but it's 25% after importing and after establishing a decent profit margin.
 
@Zoe because a NOK is 10 eurocents? :P
 
Zoe
I guess, yeah
But on a bright side, we have really good internet in the middle of nowhere :]
 
@Zoe in NL the internet in the middle of nowhere is good; in th cities it's a nightmare. For some reason cities block the roll-out of optical fibre -.-
 
Zoe
ouch
 
user8682794
3:27 PM
@Machavity Please delete my last request. Thank you.
 
@Machavity Are RO nominations closed now?
 
@StephenKennedy I guess they are. Was thinking not, but it is past Wed UTC
 
@Machavity Indeed, it was the 00:00 UTC and is that past or present which was bothering me more than the process :)
That has passed, but I imagine the intention was midnight tonight?
 
Yeah, we'll let it run until midnight UTC. Not gonna hurt anything
 
3:39 PM
Yep, was going to say the same thing.
Anyone else planning to put their hat into the ring?
argh, mistake spotted after edit window closed: *past or future.
 
begone, the post is deleted
 
Zoe
4:17 PM
@Zoe Typo + no MCVE
 
4:31 PM
 
@Machavity cleanup before merge/retag.
 
@BhargavRao So we've started that already?
 
Simple rules, retag whatever is not related to textwrapping, close only the very bad and actively harmful ones.
Finally we merge
 
I just wanted to make sure we hadn't jumped the gun with an active retag campaign underway
 
Given that it's quite related to [wrap], wanted to move forward while [wrap] is still fresh in our minds.
We've got community's approval anyway
 
4:35 PM
Works for me. I just hadn't seen anything to that effect and we had people trying to do that in here
 
is this question on topic and otherwise OK?
 
Sorry for the confusion, I've been kinda busy at work lately ... :(
 
@StephenKennedy Looks like Server Fault to me
 
My free time is now either mod queue or tag stuff, and I chose the former :p
 
@WiktorStribiżew That's not a typo
It's OP not understanding Regex syntax
A typo is a transcription error
 
4:48 PM
[0-9] must be removed, and was removed in (some) OP attempts. It is TYPO.
 
@WiktorStribiżew No. OP has 3 attempts, all of which fail. One of the attempts doesn't include [0-9]. That doesn't mean having it there is a typo
Again, a typo is a transcription error
 
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Q: What's the use of the [python-chess] tag?

alec_aIs there anything that the rarely-used (only about 20 questions) python-chess tag achieves that python + chess can't? If not, should it be burninated?

 
status-declined ....
 
5:04 PM
Yepz...
I usually wait for one day before declining, but Cody ain't no weak-ass like me ;p
 
;)
 
H
 
J
 
6:23 PM
K
 
@tripleee @HovercraftFullOfEels @KenWhite A question you closed is being discussed on Meta
 
\o
^ Ooh, everyone pile on in Meta (halfer runs away)
 
Zoe
6:49 PM
@StephenKennedy I love how that M came exactly as Machavity broke the train :D
 
@Zoe and then there was an O. So I should have waited for Machavity to post first and gone with N
 
@Zoe I had to interrupt the train to alert people about a train wreck Meta post
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I could wreck it twice :3
@Machavity train wreck, meta post, it's fine as long as we're paid :P
 
M-M
I have seen many question tagged with . From the tag wiki: The r-faq tag is created to group a limited number of questions discussing problems that come up regularly on the r tag. It is not the official FAQ on R for SO, but should serve as an interesting source of information on common problems.
 
Zoe
@M-M there's also c++-faq
Seems useful
 
M-M
6:55 PM
This question with couple hundred views and a very specific problem and one answer in my eyes does not qualify for . Should I individually go around untag those which are not "coming up regularly"?
 
@Zoe Why would you add twice, then subtract 3 characters?
 
It has been added by a trusted user who also holds the gold [r] badge. I'd leave it alone
 
M-M
@Zoe I should have posted it all together. The question is here!!
@BhargavRao well that trusted user has added most of r-faq tags.
 
@Machavity Looks like an incompatible type error to me.
 
Then they're doing a great job curating the tag. Kudos to them.
 
M-M
6:59 PM
@BhargavRao well? what do you mean by that?
I am saying it can be biased because one person doing it
thanks to them for taking the first step but that doesn't mean others should be excluded from refining it
 
Is there an R chat room?
 
If a user is actively watching all the questions, and adding the [r-faq] tag to only those that are needed, then they should be encouraged. You can always help them by either adding the tags to those that need it, or remove it from those that have been added by non-trusted users.
 
M-M
@TylerH not an active one. That's why I am asking here to get the general idea about the procedure in these cases.
 
If you feel that a particular question doesn't require the tag, then engage with them in a conversation, and clarify as to why you feel it is not required.
 
@M-M I'd be disinclined to remove tags where a gold-badge holder had created them.
 
7:02 PM
If you manage to convince them otherwise, you can remove the tag.
If they manage to convince you, then you've gained valuable experience.
 
M-M
@BhargavRao yeah, because I know that user I have already left a comment but also asked the question here!
 
You can always ask a general question about this sort of thing on Meta, if you think there could be a better process.
 
Cool, that is the way to go.
> Yes, it could be abused and it is meta. Does it actually make the site better? At the least, it works great when I'm searching for duplicates to a common C++ concept. - meta.stackoverflow.com/a/363049/4099593
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Zoe
@Machavity because a B FAQ isn't as good as a A FAQ, but it's a lot better than a C FAQ :P
@M-M oof xd
@M-M assuming you have domain knowledge, yes.
 
I'm beginning to think Cody's real name is Leeroy Jenkins
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7:09 PM
@Zoe But, aren't we regularly telling people to C the FAQ?
 
Zoe
@Makyen yeah, but an SOCVR FAQ is far from a C FAQ
 
@Zoe Isn't it better? After all, It's got 4 more letters: S O V R.
 
Zoe
Yeah, but lower Index is better
More letters = higher index. Ish anyway ^^"
 
^How on earth did that get 4 upvotes? Is the OP using a sock puppet or something?
 
6 upvotes now
 
7:21 PM
mod flag?
 
I'll leave that up to EJoshuaS
 
Doesn't fit the usual sock puppetry mold. User is fairly old. Unsure if it's worth a flag
 
as for me, I did vote as Unclear though
 
 
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8:32 PM
@Machavity Thanks. Just commented on that question.
 
9:21 PM
@halfer pretty easy dupe on that one
named almost exactly the same :-P
 
9:35 PM
@MikeM. wow, I can't understand what either of those questions is saying/asking
 
@TylerH Thanks
 
@TylerH Yeah, I had to read them both multiple times to make sure they're duplicates. They're basically just trying to group items by a specific value.
 
 
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11:27 PM
Folks, have we got an "ask-a-moderator" chat room?
 

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