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@BaummitAugen @Jean-FrançoisFabre congrats to you both on becoming mods!
 
 
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3:59 AM
The tag has tons of off-topic questions in the queue if anyone has spare close votes.
 
@JackBashford This is quite close to the format that we use. The only thing missing is a "reason" for the request. Usually, that is the reason you used when you voted to close. There's a bit more information on request reasons here in SOCVR's FAQ. If you haven't looked over the FAQ yet, it would be beneficial to do so.
 
4:19 AM
 
Sorry @Makyen, I forgot to add that. Will remember for next time.
 
@JackBashford np. Thanks for keeping it in mind.
 
 
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6:40 AM
The burnination has started...
 
 
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8:05 AM
Anyone able to reopen this question? Did edit and peerview accepted.
 
Able to, yes. Willing to, not really
 
.. why may I ask?
 
8:16 AM
@BaummitAugen stares at CVQ, has no idea what you're talking about ...
 
@ZF007 reopened
... and closed
I should visit the [python] tag more...
 
... hmm.. okay: OP is asking a question in reversed order. Does that make sense?
 
No. What do you mean by "reversed order"? They posted the answer first, and the question second?
 
Changing the emphasis of the word "not" and moving the word "unique" to the right place it becomes an understandable question. Then as you did Bhargav it becomes a duplicate question ;-)
 
That question still doesn't make any sense.
Closing as a duplicate is about the nicest thing that you could do.
 
8:27 AM
Just read my edit of the question tag and it starts to make sense. I have a pice of script code for OP ready to paste in.
I had the same thing... "mind boggling" at first when I got it for Triage review.
 
I read your edit. "Why am I getting not unique elements and all the elements regardless of being unique or not?" does not make any sense.
 
I think OP revers to the duplicates in the variable.
the string 'imjaw' has duplicates.
as for other stringtext.
 
If you have to think for the OP you better refrain from making assumptions
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I think it's safe to assume they're asking how to iterate through a list, skipping duplicate items. Assuming that's the case, it is clearly a duplicate. Are you still advocating that it be re-opened?
 
... sure..but keep in mind some have peronality disorder and write english not as their native language...
 
8:30 AM
If there's code that you want to post, @ZF007, post an answer to the primary question.
 
I will once there is the add answer button.
 
Obviously I am not making myself clear. Can you please explain how that question is different from this question?
 
@ZF007 there is, on the duplicate target. That's what @CodyGray means. Put your answer there, not on the question you currently linked.
 
its not different.
 
@ZF007 well, sure. But let's not drop every unclear question in the personality disorder bucket. That is not only bad for the content on SO but also a bit dismissive to those with personality disorders that cope pretty well.
 
8:34 AM
reference to teh original Q is fine with me.
 
@rene I thought he was saying you have a personality disorder if English is not your native language.
 
... I didn't want to make it look worse?
 
Lol.. no...
 
But I take me having disorders. The elephant can contest.
 
Anyway..thanks for makring as duplicate. OP can check that.
 
9:31 AM
@Shree How is that too broad? What more information would you want to see added to the question? It gives a precise description of the requirement, including the language and the exact output format.
 
@CodyGray without any attempt homework dump is too broad.
 
Copy-pasting your homework assignment doesn't make for a good question, that's true. But this doesn't seem to be that. Again, what makes this question too broad? Would a comprehensive answer be too long for our format? Doesn't look like it to me. Would it require a complete tutorial on Javascript? Nah, it's narrow enough that it could be solved in a few lines of code, with a paragraph or so of explanation.
 
Yep thats true. But I don't know language write code for me is too board. Even if op attempt 1 line of code it's don't fall under too broad and I don't vtc but this one .......
 
You genuinely think the question would be better if it was edited to include something like:
> I tried date.Print("DD, MM dd yyyy HH:MM:SS"), but it didn't work.
How would that help?
Showing an attempt is the recommendation when it is necessary to provide context. What more context does that question require?
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If you think the question doesn't show enough research effort, downvote it. That's not a reason to close.
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9:47 AM
humm ok thanks. Noted.
 
Basically, just because it's a homework question doesn't mean it's off-topic. It has to be actually off-topic or unanswerable for some specific reason.
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They're not asking you to write their entire project for them, and the answer doesn't require an entire tutorial on Javascript. Those things would make it too broad.
 
Is this NAA? I am in trouble, there is an NAA comment with two upvotes...
 
Wasn't an attack on you, by the way, @Shree. It's a common point of confusion, so I was just using you to clarify.
@double-beep Looks like an attempt to answer to me. It certainly needs editing, but I wouldn't flag it. Focus more on the question...
 
@CodyGray I found it in the LQP and skipped.
 
9:53 AM
 
Do you have any idea what is being asked there? Me either.
 
Naaa it's ok. There is always chance to learn new things by mistake.
 
poor answer
there was also an HTML tag (<a>) which was hidden.
now it is a clear answer IMO
 
Yup
Perfect example of a "too broad" question. Note the problem here is not that it's homework. We have no idea, maybe they're getting paid big money for it. The problem is it's underspecified. There's no clear requirement. They either want you to build it all for them, or they want you to tell them how to get started (which is not an actual question).
 
are edits like this one which formats the code from the OP valid?
 
10:05 AM
Does it make the post easier to read? Does it fail to fix other major problems with the post?
 
this one, no, it is too minor. But if one does and correct other major issues with the post? Conflicts with author's intent?
 
"Too minor" isn't a rejection reason. Reformatting the code, even to reduce unnecessary indentation and save scrolling, is a valid edit. The only concern would be if it failed to fix other major problems with the post, like leaving a big chunk of code unformatted or leaving a signature in place.
How would fixing code formatting conflict with the author's intent?
 
What if the issue OP faces is resolved after fixing code formatting? (although this is not true most of the times 😀)
 
@double-beep Only if it's tagged [python]...
 
@CodyGray too minor == no improvement
 
10:19 AM
@double-beep No, "too minor" once existed as a rejection reason, but it was removed. "No improvement whatsoever" doesn't mean the same thing as "too minor". It means "no improvement whatsoever", like formatting half of the code.
Or formatting the code in a spam answer.
 
or NAA/VLQ
 
11:17 AM
 
11:42 AM
@double-beep It's sometimes the case that after code formatting the problem becomes much more apparent
if (foo)
  bar();
  baz();

// becomes

if (foo)
  bar();
baz();
 
Zoe
11:53 AM
How can a user drop from 1.6k reputation to 1 with no apparent rep loss according to the rep graph or tab, and without being suspended?
 
four bounties, 400 a pop?
 
Zoe
Those show up on the rep tab
 
@Zoe 16 spam/offensive posts? :)
 
Zoe
Are those silent?
 
11:55 AM
I think so
 
Zoe
like no visible rep change from the 100 rep penalty?
That could explain it
 
however, blocks are put
 
Zoe
There's also a weird day where it says 0 rep change with an empty tab
 
accept/unaccept or upvote/unupvote which were merged because of grace period?
or lost -2 because a post they suggested an edit was deleted?
 
Zoe
Upvote/unupvote or 5 downvotes show up as 0
generally +x -x both show up
 
11:57 AM
however, -2s aren't shown
 
Zoe
The empty net 0 compared to the populated net 0 - there's something hidden, and if that's spam flags, that would make sense
 
deleted post which they suggested an edit isn't shown as said
 
Zoe
I stumbled over that user after an audit I couldn't make up my mind on, so I skipped. 4 gold badges and 1 rep isn't a normal combo for a 1-rep non-suspended user.
@double-beep 8-900 sudden edit removals doesn't explain the drop
especially because you can only earn up to 1k rep on edits
 
three badges and fifty edits. That's my final offer.
 
@Zoe Lots of answers deleted for that account, and at least a few spam/offensive flags. So yes, I guess they're hidden.
 
Zoe
12:02 PM
makes sense. Found one red-flag deleted post , but I thought there were systems in place to avoid 16-17+ spam-nuked answers
 
Not when it's done by moderators :-)
Well, there are rate limits on us, but I don't think that's what you meant.
 
@CodyGray when mods flag the post or just delete it?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray I meant from posting that many in the first place, not on flagging limits
 
@double-beep The -100 reputation penalty only applies when the post is red-flagged as spam/fffensive. That can be done either by 6 community members, or by 1 moderator. Deleting just removes the rep gained from that post. Doesn't matter who deletes it.
 
Zoe
But with 1.6k rep, I'm assuming most of the posting restrictions are lifted and it's theoretically possible, or if they're posted over time and weren't caught until recently.
 
12:05 PM
@Zoe Yes, they were posted over time.
Sometimes, spammers are smart and subtle.
Keeps us on our toes.
 
@CodyGray 'fffensive' seems to me very offensive..., so it should be flagged by moderators :)
 
Yeah. I typed three Fs, tried to delete one, but deleted the O instead. You'd think I'd have managed to pick an F. There were pretty good odds.
Overall, I give myself an F.
 
is this a too broad question?
@CodyGray message registered as false positive (f = fp-)
 
Zoe
Press F to pay respects to Cody's F.
@double-beep looks like it
 
12:11 PM
oneboxes
 
Pretty soon they'd have to rename SOCVR to Jared's, with the amount of diamonds here. :P
"My post got closed", Yeah, it went to Jared's ROFL
Let the Homework Sunday begin.
 
12:31 PM
@CodyGray is there something specific you want to underline from there? I didn't understand that, at all 😒
 
@rene That one might take a while.
@TylerH Thanks!
 
\o tree
 
 
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4:30 PM
 
4:46 PM
@Makyen I take it you've already mod flagged?
 
@Adriaan Actually, not yet. I was writing a comment, after realizing I didn't have a generic plagiarism auto-comment, only one that was tailored for copying content from SO/SE. However, I was too slow and the answer was 20k deleted prior to my posting it, but at least I have an appropriate auto-comment now. :-)
 
@Makyen Elluk nadeel hep se voordeel (Ask @rene about this)
 
5:05 PM
@Adriaan While Google Translate doesn't translate the whole thing, I can make a guess as to the base meaning. I assume it's a common saying, correct? Yes a further Google search indicates that it likely is a saying and the meaning is what I'd guess from the not-so-effective Google translation. :-)
 
@Makyen our nation's most famous soccer player (at least, that's what others say. I don't do soccer) said this. Official Dutch spelling would be 'Elk nadeel heeft zijn voordeel', with the English translation 'Each downside has its updside'
 
@Adriaan Thanks. Google translates that much more effectively (just slightly wrong, using "it's" instead of "its"). I'd gotten to "Every disadvantage has its advantage", form Wikipedia. Either translation would capture what appears to be the gist of the saying.
 
@Adriaan Is this VI?
 
Zoe
-1, Vim is better.
 
It is not the VI you think it is
 
Zoe
5:16 PM
I know ^^"
 
@rene could very well be, I don't know whether Cruiff used VI
 
I'm done here, these jokes are over my head
 
5:47 PM
@prd invalid request
did you mean ?
open questions can't be deleted
 
prd
@double-beep yes sure, sorry!
 
please see socvr.org/…
Also, there are several userscripts to make your life easier. See this page.
 
@prd Nobody other than a moderator can edit chat messages after 2 minutes. You will need to re-post this request with [tag:cv-pls].... Or not, as someone has done so for you.
 
6:24 PM
^ might also be spam, although I'm not so sure
 
@E_net4 seems like spam seed to me. They have a link in their post which seems suspicious, very suspicious...
 
@double-beep Suspicious indeed.
 
hmmm
 
Zoe
I tried tracing it, but I couldn't find an actual URL
 
7:04 PM
o/
 
/o
 
(-‸ლ)
 
7:11 PM
o/
 
7:25 PM
@SterlingArcher Very impressive o/ train for a Sunday
 
Sunday? It's Monday, and I've been at work for almost two hours :P :D
 
*other timezones are available. Terms and conditions apply.
 
8:07 PM
 
only need 40 reputation to reach 3k \o/
 
8:31 PM
@double-beep Nice! Soon you can stop with the annoying flags and actually VTC!
 
@GBlodgett flags aren't that much annoying!
CVs are better, though
 
@double-beep They aren't horrible, but actually closing it a lot better.
You don't have 50% of your flags age away in the 9k+ close vote queue
 
agree
 
Plus you get to see your name up there saying "Your question was closed by Double-Beep for being too broad"
 
beep beep
 
8:36 PM
xD
so, questions will need actually 3 CVs: 2 from me and 3 others
 
It works like that? I'm changing my name to Five-GBlodgett so I can close questions myself.
 
Copyright 2019 C. All rights reserved. You cannot change your username
 
Wait I guess it'd be Quintuple-GBlodgett
 
8:55 PM
@StephenKennedy put on hold as too constructive by person1, person2, person3, beep**,** beep (aka double-beep)
 
Can we discuss failed audits here?
 
@SterlingArcher yes
 
Cool, because this question was pretty obviously an audit (it has the message "Our system has identified this post as possible spam; please review carefully"), however, the only question it asked was "What is, according to you, the fastest way to do it ?"
So I voted to keep it closed as primarily opinion based. Am I wrong here?
 
@SterlingArcher Yes but you'll be the first person to do so as we don't fail audits
@SterlingArcher It's open and on +14. That's all you need to know in terms of not failing the audit.
 
To play devil's advocate, it is a concrete question once you strip out the "according to you" part. It seems like just bad phrasing on the OP's part @SterlingArcher
 
9:06 PM
Pass the audit, and then if necessary take further action such as a close vote outside of the review queue
 
Possibly so, and Im ok with failing it. It seemed like an ok question, however since no other question is being asked, that's what swayed my vote
@StephenKennedy there's tons of highly upvoted questions that could easily be closed :)
lol somebody's comment on their conflicting edit... "Comment: I just wanted to do that..."
 
@SterlingArcher You want to not fail audits right? If you see "Our system has identified this post as possible spam; please review carefully" it's quite possibly an audit. Give the system the answer it wants. Take further action afterwards if you disagree with it.
 
@StephenKennedy that's depressing :(
Sometimes the language barrier is hilarious, as this is obviously intended as a nice sentiment lol "Hope helps and triggers you :) Thanks"
 
@SterlingArcher yes dear
 
How do people get 10k+ flags in like 2 years? (cc @Zoe)
 
Zoe
9:13 PM
SOBotics
The majority of them have actually been in a year :]
I'm also pretty sure it hasn't even been a year xD
 
I'm not familiar with how that works, is it script flagging?
 
meh Zoe. The cooler story would have been "I'm a robot"
@Zoe Fairly sure I've been a SOBotics regular for at least a year, and you were already there
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy well, there's that too
 
@SterlingArcher get a script like Andy's and flag a 100 'thanks' comments a day
 
Zoe
@SterlingArcher It's like Smokey, except with comments and NAA's
 
9:15 PM
Oh it's just comment flags mostly?
I worked for my flags :P
 
I had ~1500 helpful flags at that point. ~9k now.
 
Zoe
I don't actually flag that many comments
 
answers mostly
 
Zoe
I can go on a flagging spree on some of the larger posts on "thank you"'s though
 
9k answer (mostly) flags??
 
9:16 PM
yeah
a few months ago I was ahead of Zoe and then she went into crazy robot mode
(no offence! :))
 
@Zoe what about your edits? Automated or manual?
 
Zoe
I currently have 13,444 helpful flags, 11168 of which are regular flags, 877 are red flags, and 1399 comment flags
@SterlingArcher Manual with userscripts. I can't write any automation accurate enough for the type of edits I do to leave it over night and fully automated
 
I do all my edits manually. And all of my flags are manual (no auto flagging), albeit with the help of the excellent "Advanced Flagging" userscript
 
Zoe
I have roughly 100 autoflags on SO
 
9:20 PM
it raises the flag, feeds back to bots (Natty, Generic Bot and Smoke Detector), and can leave a canned comment
 
Zoe
Advanced Flagging is my favorite script
The 10k tools helps a lot with finding NAA's too
 
@Zoe 'regular' as in: VLQ/NAA and pre-close vote flags?
 
Zoe
@Adriaan regular as in not spam, R/A, or comment flags
Those classified as "post flags"
But R/A and spam flags are also post flags, but with a separate category, so I prefer calling the rest regular flags
@SterlingArcher if you need stuff to edit though, the various IDE tags are filled with stuff
Oh, and Blaze is great for finding general stuff to flag
 
If you're thinking about election stats @SterlingArcher, Jean had less than 500 helpful flags when he stood. He got the badge for 500 flags on result day :)
(which explains why he was hanging out in SOBotics the day before :))
 
9:27 PM
Nope, not worried about that. Stats don't make a good mod (they do help prove yourself though). I don't go through tags like I should and flag old stuff though, I mostly do queue and front page material as I see it
And mostly front-end related tags
 
Yeah. Take away the SOBotics flags and I have roughly double yours, but you have roughly double my rep, so all that these numbers show is that you've been using your time more effectively :)
 
lol I haven't answered a question in almost a year though
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Isn't that broken without CYF?
 
@Zoe My flag count is shown correcrtly (8,899). It has you on 13,444.
 
Zoe
almost caught up with Natty x-x
Oh, I see
It took forever to load though ^^"
 
9:47 PM
If I'm out of close votes, and I want to post a cv-pls here as a dupe, do I put the dupe link inside the request?
 
@SterlingArcher That would work, yes
 
@BaummitAugen Top Reviewers today:

Baum mit Augen♦
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Cheater :P
 
#ModAbuse
 
Should mods be shown on those lists? xD
 
Why not?
 
9:55 PM
Because you clearly have higher/no limits on queue activity :P
 
Contrary view - thanks for helping bring the cv queue length down!
 
^ also yes
 
Zoe
@SterlingArcher well, yeah! Because then, the review counts are endless!
Besides, they gotta be allowed to show off somehow :p
 
Probably won't do that every day, but we were kind of low on flags today.
 
10:02 PM
Too late, you set the bar really high
 
Zoe
oof
 
Dang. XD
 
Zoe
#Sterling2020ToBeatTheTreeOnCloseVoteReviewStats
 
Zoe
42*
 
10:04 PM
-41
 
@SterlingArcher Putting the suggested dup-target in the cv-pls can work. However, I generally find it better to post a "Possible duplicate of" comment on the question. This lets people other than the people seeing the cv-pls know what question you consider to be a duplicate. It's where everyone is already trained to look for the information. In addition, it doesn't require someone to remember, or switch tabs back to the cv-pls in order to find it.
Unfortunately, there's no way to mark a question as one that should be populated in the suggested duplicates list. It'd be nice if the system also picked up all of the "linked" questions and put them in the dup-target suggestion list.
 
@Makyen He did that
 
@Makyen agreed there, as it also added a C(0) button for the dupe link in the cv-pls req. Maybe a manual post of it?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy ({{content}})^2
 
@Zoe I was predicting the meta score
 
Zoe
10:08 PM
Oh. ^^"
 
@StephenKennedy Great. But, it wasn't mentioned in chat. figured the alternate viewpoint was good to mention.
 
Zoe
The new fonts are still bugging me xd
 
@Makyen Yes indeed
 
@SterlingArcher It's OK in the actual cv-pls. At this point, the scripts should properly handle it. Personally, I find it a bit distracting. But, at this point it's largely meh.
Previously, it was fairly important not to include it in the cv-pls, if the dup-target was also closed, as the Archiver immediately picked that up as the request being completed and archived the request the next time it was run, regardless of the state of the question that was actually requested. However, at this point, the Archiver requires that all questions mentioned in the cv-pls be closed, or be an actual dup-target of one that's closed. So, that's not an issue.
 
10:14 PM
@Makyen good to know! If the link is in the comments, "Duplicate" should be enough info. Ty
 
np. Thanks.
 

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