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12:02 AM
 
oops, shouldn't walk out of the desk after making a poor joke ...
@AndreyTyukin The 3 5 was ... just used as a joke. I guess it didn't end up being a good one..
If you know me in this room ... I actually just enter and make poor jokes ... don't take much of what I say here seriously, unless I'm serious. :p
 
@BhargavRao He left links to some of the questions here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45401910#45401910 Seems a bit nervous about flagging
 
@BhargavRao Alright, I'll simply assume that it takes 6-8 jokes on average to make a good one :P
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so mebbe you could clarify what to do :)
 
@StephenKennedy The "don't ping moderators" rule was introduced because there were a few people who started to ping Jon Cle asking to explain why a flag was declined and so on. It was basically to prevent people from harassing joncle. (I was not yet a mod then).
 
12:08 AM
@StephenKennedy Not nervous, I just didn't think it's urgent... But since you already pinged a mod, I decided at least to leave some links, just in case someone wants to see what I was even talking about...
 
@BhargavRao I figured it was something like that, but didn't know it was Jon C that got the brunt of it
 
12:23 AM
@StephenKennedy yepz, that was waaay back in 2016 ...
Also remember that I was always a regular and I am still a regular here ... you can ping me for anything apart from the mod related stuff.
:)
 
@BhargavRao I'm running out of popcorn here. Are you looking at those posted links?
 
@AndreyTyukin unfortunately ... :(
@StephenKennedy Nopes, haven't yet started the mod duty for the UTC day...
Will start in an hour or so, have like 22hrs more so ... shrugs
Also mod queue is dead empty ... it won't be long before some other mod picks up the case...
 
@BhargavRao Where are you calling home these days?
 
/Users/bhargav one... the others are confusing.
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@BhargavRao heh ... I find /home/.. clear, too ;)
 
12:29 AM
lol
that joke was better
 
12:49 AM
@StephenKennedy - funny how old turds like that float to the surface occasionally ...
 
@tink A spam answer from 2009 came up earlier
 
heh
 
 
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Tiw
3:39 AM
Does comment count as involved? I want to issue cv-pls but I commented before to point out it's unclear: stackoverflow.com/questions/54771879/…
 
@Tiw No, just a comment does not count as involved. See: #15 in the FAQ for a more detailed description of what "involved" means. While it's not a perfect description, it covers most circumstances.
 
Tiw
@Makyen Got it, thanks :)
 
4:00 AM
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Q: I'm [submitting] a burnination request

Ken Y-NToday's dodgy tag is submitting, 42 questions and no followers, so it's under the 50 questions for a formal review, but I'd like an informal check at least before I do anything. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? It maybe describes the...

 
4:26 AM
 
 
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5:28 AM
Anyone have your favorite linter for C/C++?
I know clang-format and it's easy to write a small linter script by diff-ing the output, but that looks a bit hackish to me
 
6:46 AM
@iBug What have you tried? I hear Visual Studio is awesome and it comes with much more tools than just being a linter ...
@Tiw thanks for asking/checking first. That is appreciated.
 
Tiw
7:07 AM
:-)
 
@rene I want to setup CI for some C project, and I'm looking for a linter that runs on Linux with CLI. Like flake8 (Python) or RuboCop.
Open-source is best, freeware (free of charge) is also acceptable
 
Last time I checked VS didn't run on Linux
 
well, CLI is important
 
I think there's a clang-based linter.
 
@rene You use VS as your primary IDE?
2 hours ago, by iBug
I know clang-format and it's easy to write a small linter script by diff-ing the output, but that looks a bit hackish to me
 
7:17 AM
I guess this was what I was thinking of, but I'm not sure there is a CLI for it: github.com/AtomLinter/linter-clang
 
Morning all
 
@iBug yes.
 
7:58 AM
@Dmitry For future reference there is also a [tag:spam] option available
 
@MichaelDodd ah, ok
 
Morning \o
 
o/
 
\o
 
9:19 AM
 
9:35 AM
@SmokeDetector f - Can't see any affiliation to the link, and link looks like a genuine resource
 
10:25 AM
Woo, Copy Editor gold badge at last!
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11:24 AM
 
@DogukanCavus I wouldn't go for NAA.
 
11:37 AM
@DogukanCavus this room can't help with NAA. You can flag it yourself. Adding moar flags won't speed up things. As such, please refrain from requesting NAA flags. You can of course ask for advice in this room when you're in doubt if a flag is appropriate.
 
@rene thanks
 
yw
 
12:00 PM
@double-beep Is that NAA? I think that would survive the queue.
 
@MichaelDodd oh, yeah I see he formatted his code now.
 
12:24 PM
@rene since the post owner has edited his answer, please move this request out.
 
@SmokeDetector poor Dutchman (@rene)
 
lol
probably from Friesland ...
 
Yea, so no need for spam flags
 
@double-beep it's not debugging; he doesn't have a problem with his current code, he wants new code. Too broad it is for me
 
12:50 PM
@DogukanCavus this has already been reported
 
@Adriaan go for it! I usually confuse Too Broad/Unclear/No MCVE.
 
@double-beep it's not too difficult, especially the No MCVE one; that is only correct when asking about debugging their code (images of code, error w/o code, code w/o error etc). TB/unclear often depends on the knowledge of the close voter about the topic, admittedly
 
1:05 PM
@double-beep please don't edit after a question has been closed; you have now robbed the OP of the chance to improve the question to be on-topic. Only the first edit* after closing the question puts it into the queue, thus only edit when you can make it eligible for reopening. If the OP now edits the question to be a non-dupe (unlikely in this case, but still) no-one will see it.
*except when you have voted (voted, not flagged) to close, then your edit won't push it into the queue.
 
@Adriaan I VTC'ed as unclear.
 
@double-beep you cannot VTC; see the next message. You flagged not voted to close, big difference
 
@Adriaan yes, I flagged.
 
@double-beep so see the caveat; you still bumped it into the queue. That was the entire reason for my message, please don't do that
 
1:22 PM
@DogukanCavus required at the end.
 
@tripleee it's a spamseed, see self-spam answer
 
yeah, sorry, just noticed
@double-beep er uh ITYM tag: before cv-pls
 
Should I reject an edit where the comment is unkind? I have rejected and conflicted it.
 
@double-beep If R/A then decline and modflag
@double-beep Is it RA or just a bit terse?
 
@MichaelDodd R/A stands for...?
 
Zoe
1:28 PM
Rude and/or abusive
 
@double-beep Rude/Abusive
 
Zoe
I'm pretty sure double-beep refers to the edit summary though
Pretty sure that isn't covered anywhere though
 
@Zoe yes, and I am also pretty sure you meant pretty sure :P
 
@Zoe Yeah that's what I was referring to. Abuse in the summary
 
> 2620 points and still can't format the code...
I have seen an edit Cody rejected because the edit summary had nothing to do whatsoever with the actual edit.
I did so.
 
Zoe
1:30 PM
@double-beep I couldn't read yesterday, so today I can't write. :p
 
Maybe that's not R/A, but it has nothing to do whatsoever with the edit.
^^ also one upvote and one approval vote in edit.
 
@double-beep It's net negative so it'll get roomba'd
@DogukanCavus Give it time. You only posted it half an hour ago. There's not always 5 people active in the room, and right now is lunchtime for Europe
 
@DogukanCavus it is not :P
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1:45 PM
@DogukanCavus Rule of thumb is to re-post it a day or two later if it's not closed but only needs one last push, before the already-cast votes expire
@DogukanCavus And for what it's worth, I don't have enough knowledge in the area to be confident in casting a vote
 
@MichaelDodd thanks mate
 
in the FAQ for future reference: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-cv-pls-not-stab
 
@rene very long really.
 
Zoe
@MichaelDodd isn't lunch usually around 10-12?
@DogukanCavus It's called frequently asked questions for a reason.
 
1:50 PM
@Zoe Usually 12-2 for Britain
 
@MichaelDodd same here; but we're in a different time zone; Europe (and us) is at almost 15:00 now
 
Zoe
oh
^^"
Probably depends on the line of work too
 
@Zoe lunch in 10-12??? In my country we usually eat 1-3 at least.
 
lunch at 10am? that's breakfast!
 
@Adriaan almost 16:00 for me.
 
1:52 PM
Well then it's teatime soon @ Ritz
 
Zoe
@double-beep yeah. It makes sense for the 8 to 4-ish people. I eat breakfast at ~7, so lunch at 11:20 makes a lot more sense than 1-3 xd
 
@StephenKennedy it's not breakfast for us. It is a special meal; not sure how called in English xD
 
brunch?
 
@Zoe 11:20 in your time zone?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy maybe if you're lucky enough to work/study somewhere that doesn't require you to wake up at early-as-fuck o' clock :')
@double-beep No, 11:20 in the timezone 5 hours ahead of mine.
 
1:54 PM
@StephenKennedy from google translate: decadent :P
 
@Zoe guilty as charged
 
Zoe
@double-beep yes, in +1 GMT.
@StephenKennedy Wow, that was easy. Good. You're going away for a loooooong time. ;)
 
@StephenKennedy δεκατιανό for anyone from Greece (e.g. @SotiriosDelimanolis).
 
@Zoe oh a year long trip with all flights in business class? ty ty!
 
1:56 PM
\o
 
Morning?
Night.
 
if the person greeting us says it's morning, morning it is
 
Ok then, Morning.
 
2:02 PM
it's a greeting, just like goodnight is a farewell
\o
 
@MichaelDodd Has a pending edit
 
@Machavity Not anymore :)
 
It's morning here so I say good morning. Basically the same as hello, but we say it in the morning. If it is night time where you are just substitute the proper time of day.
 
Let's not get into self-promotion in here, please
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Mine was just a sarcasm. ;)
 
2:12 PM
meta.stackoverflow.com/q/380407/4826457 autoreview comment in meta :p
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So this question had already been answered
And he figured out his question wasn't the real question
So he edited the question and asked a second question
Is this allowed?
Isn't the person who answered the original question deserve the bounty?
 
@IslamElshobokshy If it invalidates existing answers, no. Roll back
 
I'm not sure that it invalidates, I would say yes, but I need the opinion of someone else
 
@Machavity speaks PhP innit? Can you help out there ^?
If there is a problem, it most likely needs a modflag due to the bounty
 
Gotcha, but I need confirmation from someone else that the question is "broad" (2 questions in the same question)
 
3:11 PM
@IslamElshobokshy Though having looked at it I don't think it's a chameleon question on the surface the original question is kept intact. Past that I don't have the technical knowledge to make acall
 
@RiggsFolly can you, being big in PhP, help out on this question, see the discussion?
 
@Adriaan I think he's got a dupe. If I read it right, he wants to store AES-256-CBC in the DB. There's a question that covers that
 
3:28 PM
@SmokeDetector f - expletive is in the github link, can't be changed
 
@Machavity I guess you should comment and/or modflag in that case
 
3:39 PM
@Adriaan Meh, left a comment. Not worth trying to close at this point
 
I do not like not having my auto comments. I miss them so. Why oh why did you have to break them SO?
 
Zoe
Wait, the auto comments are broken? :c
 
I don't really trust AIs to comment on my behalf
 
3:54 PM
@Zoe Yeah. If you are using the chrome extension the link to the auto comments is gone. It looks like they changed the help link on the comments to be an invisible button and that is probably messing with it.
 
Zoe
I'm using FF and the userscript, and it's [status-repro]
 
there is an open issue on github if you want to add details.
 
@NathanOliver just submitted a PR that fixes it
 
Cool
 
If you're using the TamperMonkey script you can just edit that line directly and it works. Not sure if you can do that on the Chrome plugin
 
4:08 PM
It doesn't look like I can in the extension. I'll just wait for it to be merged.
 
4:18 PM
What's with oneboxes today? xD
 
le sigh
 
@Tiw edit your message adding some text to avoid oneboxes.
 
Rene would have a heart attack
 
Tiw
4:19 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/54785973/… This OP keeps asking similar questions, is this okay for SO?
 
:45411500 Add a character in front of the link to avoid oneboxing please
 
Zoe
One appears to be a re-post, and those are not allowed. Close as a dupe
 
:45411500 'similar' is OK, duplicates are not. In case it's the former: just ignore, or downvote if you think that's appropriate. In case of the latter: duplicate flag. If they post a lot of duplicates, mod flag, or wait for the question ban to kick in
 
@Tiw We don't target users. Look at each question in isolation (unless checking for dupes). If the Q is OK on its own then it's OK.
 
Tiw
And was changing his question add more requirement too.
 
Zoe
4:21 PM
@Adriaan there are two with a one-char difference in the title, that's also partial copy-pasta from the previous
 
@StephenKennedy am I dead?
 
Tiw
Okay, I'm just wondering.
 
not yet, but a bit blurry after all those one-boxes...
 
@rene well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think you might be :(
 
Tiw
And not gonna downvote them.
 
4:25 PM
@StephenKennedy already half buried so I guess you can get a discount at the funeral ...
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Zoe
xD
 
I first came to SOCVR to get a question reopened. I stayed for the jokes.
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Tiw
Sorry about former message. I entered too early. @double-beep Thanks for the tips :)
 
oh and I was told off for not reading the FAQ, which I'd tried to read before posting but socvr.org was down :)
 
4:35 PM
the server needed luv
 
Well, Benjol of AutoReview commented on my PR so hopefully get a released fix soon
 
@StephenKennedy Funny I also came to reopen a question... it did not go well instead a Bhargav Rao guy delete it... these darn SOCVR'ers
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@Machavity can you pin a message with the problem?
 
Today's SO update broke Auto Review Comments for comments (other parts still work fine). I wrote a patch (pending PR), so if you're using the userscript version just apply this change to fix it
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@PetterFriberg Sorry but that's quite amusing :) I got my target reopened, and was then able to answer it. Don't remember which question it was or if I got any rep for the answer.
 
4:40 PM
@StephenKennedy I remember mine stackoverflow.com/questions/33480776/… ... shaking fist
 
@Machavity might it be worth having one of the bots keep a log of the revisions (check every minute or 10 minutes or something) as well?
just a new txt file created daily (archived back to 30 days past) might be helpful in determining that it was a change on their side that broke a script
 
@TylerH Maybe. Let @PetterFriberg know too?
 
is this affecting Advanced Flagging too? @PetterFriberg @Zoe
 
Zoe
define "this"
,oh
Link problem?
 
Zoe
4:45 PM
No
It's still there
 
@StephenKennedy They changed the class name on the Help button by comments. Anything that relied on that is broken
Doesn't affect anything else AFAIK
 
@double-beep not even me have voted to undelete it, we all mature/learn over time :)
 
Rob doesn't simply rely on class names.
 
@double-beep Binned just so it doesn't show up in searches
 
4:57 PM
@Machavity PR merged and issue fixed.
 
Zoe
\o/
 
I didn't increment his version so *Monkey won't fetch it yet, but can always do a fresh install i suppose
 
Zoe
I can verify it works too
 
5:15 PM
Still has been updated in the chrome extension :(
I removed the extension and just installed the userscript. All set now.
 
5:33 PM
@PetterFriberg Oi .
 
@BhargavRao It's OK, we just shrug now and go "He's a mod now. They work in mysterious ways" :D
 
I have to get that "Respect my authoritah!" stamp...
 
6:30 PM
Wafflesâ„¢
 
Zoe
6:58 PM
Now it works .-.
hm
Does the close vote request script work on that first one? It didn't send it when I tried, might be the null username.
 
@Zoe did it stuck when you press Send?
 
Zoe
Eh, doesn't really get stuck, but nothing happens
the button "un-clicks" fine, but no request is sent
 
@Zoe The alpha version of the request generator works for me. Are you using the alpha version, or the release version?
 
Zoe
Started with clicking the checkbox in the close dialog too
I'm on 1.6.3
 
That would be the release version. Let me check that.
 
Zoe
7:04 PM
Yeah, the alpha version works fine
 
I was able to duplicate with the release version. I'll fix it.
 
@Makyen this has happened several times to me also. I couldn't find what's wrong: internet is fine. Also, after a reload, it didn't work.
Using the Alpha version.
When pressing Send button it changes color, as expected, to grey and then it is stuck; nothing happens.
 
@double-beep OK. Good to know. Is there a question on which the problem is repeatable?
 
7:53 PM
Finally sent and unstuck.
cc @Makyen
 
@double-beep OK. If you have a problem again, please let me know.
 
@Makyen have you updated? Do you think it is a bug?
 
@double-beep I don't have enough information to know what the issue was with the alpha version, or even where to start testing.
 
@Makyen the next time it stucks, I will try taking a screenshot.
 
8:01 PM
@double-beep The issue in the release version is clear, but I'm now searching for a different test case question, as a too-efficient moderator :-) deleted the question where we encountered the problem. So, I'm going to need another question by a deleted user. I probably should have a current one and one that's from 2008, or so, just to know that there's no difference when now and when it's a really old question/deleted user.
@double-beep That would help. Any messages/errors in the console would help even more. Best would be a question/answer/review on which it is reproducible.
 
8:20 PM
I have finished all my reviews today. :(
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@double-beep busy beaver
 
8:36 PM
@BhargavRao oh. :D
 
ho ho ho
 
@BhargavRao it seems you are quite outdated (1 month and 19-20 days). It was 1st January then, right? xD
 
oh oh oh
 
@BhargavRao this seems better.
 
8:43 PM
good good
 
ok ok
 
8:54 PM
This answer provides only a link to a webservice for resizing images, while the question is about solving the problem with code. Not sure if spam or not.
https://stackoverflow.com/a/54794711/8699120
 
@rkta presume good faith and don't flag spam instead you can raise NAA flag, raise custom mod flag or pass a del-req
 
@PetterFriberg Thats why I DV and didn't flag, but I was unsure if it is really a case for the mods.
 
@rkta I think it's NAA, but not sure about review, if you raise a custom flag explaining why it does not answer I bet mods will approve, even more simple ask 20k chat users to delete it with del-req
 
So, any 20k users here? :)
 
See SOCVR.org for how to format request
 
9:02 PM
@rkta Or maybe a lurking mod
 
@rkta Yeah and they use scripts so they will see it sooner or later if you format correctly the request
 
Reading the FAQ atm
 
Well already deleted.. but continue to read :)
 
Done reading, probably next time, always good to know. Thanks
 
(BR says) Yw, have fun
 
9:06 PM
Wait, are you BR's sock?
 
More or less.. (it was since he deleted it, I did not want to attribute myself the honor)
 
9:45 PM
@DogukanCavus If you want this to be a close-vote please request, please repost with [tag:cv-pls]. Without the request-tag, we have to guess at what you are wanting. Having the tag also allows people to find requests which have not yet been actioned once they are not visible in the main chat window.
@Adriaan (cc @double-beep) Actually, edits by users who have either voted to close and/or flagged the question don't put the question in the reopen queue. In addition, the edit needs to be to the question body, not just the tags and/or the title. Please see Which edits push closed questions to the reopen review queue?
@MichaelDodd (@Dogukan) Actually, we don't permit bumping requests (e.g. by reposting them) while the request is still active (i.e. still in the SOCVR transcript). cv-pls requests are moved out of the transcript after 3 days, if not actioned. Opinions vary as to permitting re-posting requests again after the original has been moved out. The last I know of, it's discouraged, but not prohibited. However, people have been against reposting more than once with few or no advocates for permitting it.
 
Speaking of reposts, I've still got a bunch of dupes of deleted questions that I feel could use some delvotes.
 
Wait, why are we deleting the duplicates of deleted questions?
Can't we just reopen them instead?
 
Hi! is "Questions seeking debugging help" a good flag to use when a question has an error statement, but it's in a screenshot (when the OP could have conceivably copied it)?
 
OP should copy the error message in the question too, else it's not searchable
 
@grooveplex If the code/error is a picture then lacks MCVE is a valid close reason
 
10:15 PM
Ok! Thanks :)
 
@BhargavRao it depends on the case. Sometimes it's worth deleting since questions are bad (and were closed as dupes but were just bad), sometimes it's worth reopening.
 
no MCVE is valid. But in this case, I'd just edit in the last line of the image into the post ... seems simple enough to feed them fish in this case.
 
@BhargavRao If they aren't adding anything new and don't act as a good sign post then deletion is OK. If they are a useful signpost then they should probably be reopened or have the dupe target changed if there is a better one.
 
Cool, I needed the reasoning explained here..
 
I'm actually not certain what @IlmariKaronen Is doing with their campaign, but that is what I would be doing
 
10:17 PM
Adding a message like "these are duplicates, just delete them" makes us look like delete mobs
Rather have people in here question that, than have someone on meta do it.
 
@BhargavRao I'm not sure why they are being deleted. IMO, they should each be evaluated on their own merits, with various possible solutions (e.g. reopen, undelete the deleted dup-target, ask for merging, different dup-target, etc.). At some point the question in general was considered good enough to exist. Maybe the deleted ones are all off-topic and so are the duplicates?
 
Didn't we already have enough issues with delete gists a couple of years back?
 
@BhargavRao Those are selected questions that I feel are off-topic and useless, besides being dupes of deleted questions. The list I linked to has individual entries with reasons for each.
 
If that's the case, then do mention that in the chat message. Or add a small Tl;Dr at the top of the gist.
 
@BhargavRao Yeah, I could've phrased that message better.
 
10:20 PM
The people on meta won't know your reasoning here.
Cool, just take care the next time.
 
Anyway, I originally posted a bunch of those as individual requests here as I found them, but I was asked to collect them in a gist and just post a single link instead.
 
I just voted to reopen some dupe with deleted original :)
 
And yes, I agree that of course nobody should be deleting questions blindly just because somebody on chat asked them to. In particular, if you feel that any of the questions on the list are useful and should not be deleted, let me know and I'll take them off the list (and probably vote to reopen, if you can give me even half a reason to do so).
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Reopen or retarget it to the dupe's dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/8028957/…?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That looks like an n-th dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/8028957/… to me. It could be re-duped by a gold badger or a mod.
 
10:26 PM
agreed.
 
Done ;)
 
php gold: invaluable :)
 
Machavity gets today's gold star :)
 
another reason to delete: the original question is already off-topic. Like here: stackoverflow.com/questions/12693509/… (now deleted :))
woot, seems that Bhargav is doing some cleaning up 😀 I can't catch up.
 
I went from bottom to the top and poofed all those that were egregious.
 
10:31 PM
@BhargavRao Thanks! :)
 
tis my job :)
 
And you're very well non-paid to do it. Thanks
 
cracks knuckles time to get [underscores] to do something...
 
Bhargav underscores his job
 
Underscore is kinda in a mess ... the main idea I get there is that we need to use the tag for the private members in the different languages..
But there's no direct name for that.
 
10:37 PM
what about then ? :)
 
Just edited all the deleted questions off the gist. Not too many left. (Although there are still some 900 odd more to evaluate and delete/reopen/re-dupe in the full list on SEDE...)
 
And I agree with the comment on Machavity's answer telling [underscore-operators] isn't correct.
Hmm.
 
another sisyphus task...
 
Lemme re-read it
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Nah. This is just getting the course right. We have some crazy large tags needing burning. Technically [order] is still burning
 
10:41 PM
[music] as well.
 
is there a tag?
that's some legacy we have...
 
And then there is [api] with 65,000 questions
 
create a tag, people will start using it...
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre Wouldn't that be a meta-tag? :P
 
10:43 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Then we would have burn [turd]s...
 
@BhargavRao gross...
 
@BhargavRao I wasn't sure on operators as well, but the usage is too broad
 
We need to split it into two. 1. for the reserved methods/private methods. 2. for the underscore in the variable name.
But
I don't think 2. needs its own tag.
 
10:46 PM
I haven't kept the link but I saw a question once like "can you die if you sniff a baby jelly" on SO...
 
You might be interested in relationship
 
Why split it into two tags? Why not 22? All uses of underscore in Scala
 
@BhargavRao Stacked Love Overflow (awwww...)
 
Yeah, most of it don't even need a tag.
There's like 7 or 8 uses in python as well.
But @Andrey, if you've got some background in that subject (which I know you have, gold badges don't lie), can you post an answer trying to disambiguate the usages of underscores in Scala on that meta post?
Thanks for your help.
 
@BhargavRao Not really. The way it is used in many languages (at least in ML, Scala, Rust, OCaml etc.) is for everything that the compiler can infer automatically or wildcards or pattern that matches everything. It's used for hundred different things in every language. I don't think that it would be of any help to anyone to split the concept of "stuff that can be inferred" into hundred artificial tags. At least everyone knows what an underscore is called.
 
@AndreyTyukin That makes sense to me, thanks.
 
...sigh, I pasted the wrong link there; the second one above should've been stackoverflow.com/questions/22644770/….
 

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