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05:38
Plop morning folks
06:20
@MadhurBhaiya you've been here for a while, so getting a metasmoke account should not be a problem; but please bring it up with the room owners (we in Charcoal have agreed with them to coordinate before adding users in SOCVR)
and of course the account itself is not restricted, just getting feedback privileges from this particular room
@tripleee Thanks. But I am not that much of a frequent visitor here.
Also, I dont consider myself a good judge as well.
there's no obligation obviously, just noting that you attempted to provide feedback and what it takes if you want to be able to do that going forward
Thanks for the info. Will take note for future and contact ROs :)
07:49
Morning \o
08:06
@MichaelDodd o/
08:29
\o
 
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10:03
I miss mods. I raised flags 2 days ago about destructive user and there is nobody to handle them. What can I do?
@Dharman Sit back and wait...
wait. The body of a caterpillar also dissolves into a bag of liquid before a butterfly comes out of it.
run for moderator to replace the ones who jumped ship
10:19
but first, understand why they did that, and maybe wonder whether those reasons apply to you too
^ Why is blacklisted?
@Dharman likely because of the word "support" in the url
Normally a good pattern but this is a rare false positive
11:21
Is this one falls under R/A stackoverflow.com/a/58183437/965146 ?
Or just NAA.
This one is too much of a life story even for me. But still has a spark of an answer, so no NAA. What do you mean by "R/A"? @Shree
@Yunnosch Troll -> Rude / Abusive
@Shree Hmmm. I am too much of a good soul to see a troll there. Seems like a misconception that SO is a forum.
Needs some teaching, but not being prisoned under a bridge...
Humm. Ok . Thanks.
Only my opinion. Act on yours.
However. I will definitly remember the contrast between user name and the kind of answers... So if that keeps up I might join your side.
11:32
they have an earlier answer, perhaps the rant is commentary on the comments they received there in 2018...?
@Shree I went NAA. User pops up every couple of years with a rambling answer, this fits the pattern
Thanks for background info.
13:03
Hi Guys, What is the use of this room? can anyone explain for me?
This room is for support and discussion about reviewing and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. Read our FAQ at socvr.org.
@RameshRajendran Please visit our FAQ
there's a link in the upper right corner
@RameshRajendran Welcome to SOCVR. We have a handy website that should answer most of your questions
13:17
Do we have a good closure reason for someone cross-posting the same question to multiple SE sites?
@Machavity I'd just use a custom one and include meta.stackexchange.com/questions/64068/…
@Machavity If they link the questions between the sites, and specify in the question they want to learn from each site in particular I didn't think it was an issue, but if it's the exact same question on multiple sites, then I'd go custom
The only reason I noticed is they're linking a watched site in Charcoal every time. The Q looks legit (it ostensibly has MRE), it's just weird
I realized it's OT on WP.SE, so flagged that one for closure but linked the Meta in a comment. Thanks @NickA @NathanOliver
15:04
terrifying
@Compass Hey. I tired a cheesy chalupa yesterday, was no impressed.
a wat
I actually haven't eaten taco bell in about 2 months
been on diet
I actually never eaten taco bell; have not been to the us yet
@Dharman You're not missing much
I saw Canada; close enough!
15:12
@Compass Sorry, actual name: The Toasted Cheddar Chalupa. Wasn't sure if you were still eating there or not.
OK, the Stack Overflow Ask Question page is fixed - Stylus styles available here: github.com/Tyler-H/SO-UserScripts/blob/master/…
15:27
im down 13 lbs in 2 monthss
Congrats
@Compass Maybe you should update your avatar?
15:54
@TylerH Regarding your comment, I totally agree. People need to stop thinking that a credit score sums up everything you need to know about a person.
That's a very interesting trend.
Just give me your SSN and I tell you everything I know about you ...
@NathanOliver I almost decided not to go to college because the one I was applying to required my SSN and I thought it was so absurd
like what, are you gonna be depositing money into my social security account?
No? Then you don't friggin need my SSN
Coming from a country that doesn't use SSNs, I really don't understand them...
@NickA They were created as a way to give everyone a unique identifying number that could be used to withdraw money from the government's safety net after they retire, so that you didn't have old poor people or old homeless people
15:59
@NickA It all started when we decided that everyone should at least have some minimal retirement income. The government needed a way to uniquely identify everyone since there was no such thing. Thus the SSN was born.
fast forward several decades -- companies realize this is a government-issued card that is guaranteed to be unique and so they want to use it as a reliable means of proof of identity
some laws have been passed on restricting it but it's still largely unregulated which I find insane
^^ and that is when all the problems started
like, a random private company like an eye doctor's clinic should not be asking for your social security number on their forms, but they can and do, and they can refuse to serve you/do business with you if you refuse to give them that info
I'm hoping one day we will get a "citizen ID" but "states rights" tends to get in the way of that a lot.
We use an NI number (national insurance), but that's only to help with determining tax band based on previously paid tax, and isn't IIRC linked to proof of identity
16:01
the risk is that if someone then steals your SSN (and associated info like name, date of birth, etc), they can then assume your identity, incur credit/debt under your name, etc.
... Is it about proving that you are a US citizen?
Can an SSN change?
@NathanOliver Yes, I think it would really help if all states agreed to reciprocity on licenses as a first step
@PaulStenne No, it's permanent
I'm morbidly fascinated.
@PaulStenne It is used for that. SSN's do not change
WOW that's bad
16:02
You need to provide your SSN to get a passport, for example
or a driver's license (unless you have enough acceptable alternatives)
@TylerH You need to provide your NI number to get a passport... and they can't change, maybe they're pretty similar ;p
You might be able to get a new one in cases of sever identity theft but I've never seen someone suggest it as an option so you might not be able to.
to get a driver's license in GA, for example, is really bad. You have to provide your actual SSN, your actual birth certificate, proof of address from an official place from two different sources (e.g. a letter from a friend won't work -- it has to be a bill or a paystub, etc.), etc.
Do you get them at birth or later?
@NickA They are assigned at birth and delivered to the family some time shortly after I think. I don't recall
16:04
SSN: Birth
Ah NI is slightly different then
NI is around your 16th birthday
because it's for work to keep track of national insurance contribution
and many places that ask for your SSN require the actual card, not just the number. And not a facsimile/scanned copy, either, but the original
and good luck if you lose that
I mean the idea of a unique citizen ID is not bad, it being used for authentication in addition to identification is really awful
@NickA NI and SSN are similar. They major issue is the SSN is used to get credit so it can be used for identity theft.
We're no longer provided cards IIRC, just numbers
16:05
@PaulStenne Yes, that's the big problem
We don't have any other sort of "national ID"
@NathanOliver Yeah, whereas mine is just on payslips, I don't use it when applying for credit
@TylerH What about passport IDs?
most states have reciprocity with others regarding driver's licenses as a form of ID, at least, but not all, and not for everything
That's the major issue. So many places no ask for your SSN that you are basically guaranteed to get your identity stolen
@NickA You can apply at birth for convenience. You don't get the number until their mail you the actual card
16:06
@PaulStenne passports are accepted as a form of ID but each passport has a number and it's different when you get a new passport
So not reliable as a single, never-changing ID number
@NathanOliver Say I get your SSN, what could I do in the immediate days/weeks without you realizing?
in an entirely hypothetical way
@PaulStenne Apply for and use a credit card
@PaulStenne get a loan from a bank and then blow it all on hookers and... blow
or credit card, etc. rack up bills, never pay
the bills and credit hit go to the person whose SSN you used
.________.
@PaulStenne "Hello Verizon, I'd like to change my phone number to a new SIM card. Last four of my social for identification? XXXX"
16:08
Basically you could ruin my life before I ever realize you are doing it.
There is an entire industry in the private sector (because America) that makes money off of "identity protection"
Yep
So sad
they can monitor your credit card activity, etc. and alert you if there are unexpected changes
And those services are a croc. Mostly they reapply fraud alerts to your reports
And you're basically spreading this unique, unchangeable, authenticating identifier everywhere to get basic health and social services which at absolutely no point are actually required to use it
16:09
The life alert guy actually had his identity stolen. I laughed my a** off.
@PaulStenne Correct
Banks are also started to offer some basic protections like all credit cards show up on your account when you login online (so if you have a line of credit showing up that you didn't open, you'll see that), and they offer some other stuff like regional protection e.g. you can disable your card to be used in transactions outside your zipcode, or set alerts to let the bank know you're traveling to Italy (for example) so they don't flag that as suspicious
@PaulStenne Medicare used to use SSN until they realized what a monumentally stupid thing that was. They now issue you a separate unique alphanumeric
@PaulStenne Yep
@PaulStenne And not not just basic health and social services. On rental agreements, job applications, anything else wanting a unique ID
And social and medical services are worldly known for being absolutely crap at securing their data
16:10
Your credit is tied to your SSN. It's a problem
come to america, the greatest country on earth :-)
@TylerH 2FA on credit cards would be cool. You get a push notification when you scan your card and it wont approve the transaction until you approve it on your device.
@NathanOliver Credit cards have always had 2FA but it's not enforced anymore in 99.999% of places -- you have to show ID and also provide a signature
no place ever asks for ID anymore unless you're buying alcohol/tobacco products
and rarely do I get asked to sign, though some places do still ask
ROFLMAO... I've never been asked for my ID in years. Last place was the post office a few years back.
And that's of course not to mention how the notion of using a signature as cryptographic proof is a joke
because most people just scribble something
At least credit card companies in America have chips now in their cards
though a lot of vendors still don't even support that
and they don't require PINs yet, either
16:16
My online bank has a safety feature that uses my phone's GPS to check if I'm near the place the credit card is being used
@PaulStenne I don't like that feature because I'm not guaranteed to have my phone with me at all times
That's cool and scary at the same time
@TylerH I am so it's fine, and I can disable it as well
@NathanOliver Quote about everything 2014 onward?
@PaulStenne can you disable it after swiping the card and before turning the phone on?
:-P
16:17
@TylerH Well, that may not be the retailer's fault either. Apparently some vendors had the process drug out by the banks
@TylerH We don't swipe in Europe =p
@Machavity Yes, and the credit card processors
@PaulStenne a figure of speech. swipe/insert
@TylerH we have contactless
Otherwise no idea =p
Funny enough, my Debit has contactless but my credit cards don't
@PaulStenne oh yeah, forgot about that
that's only a thing with Apple Pay here in the US AFAIK so I forget about it often
(because of course I don't use Apple products)
except my 6th generation iPod nano which is, also of course, the best-designed mp3 player ever
@Machavity for example, here at the hospital system I work for, I help support the POS system in the cafeterias. They don't have chip support yet, despite having chip slots in their credit card devices (?!?!?)
16:23
@TylerH "chip support" meaning on the hardware and software side, or on the licensing side?
All of the above
In order to use chip technology, we have to 1) get new VAR sheets from our payment processor (this is like pulling teeth) 2) get new credit card devices 3) get a new software module (that works differently, so also training for end users) from a separate vendor that is a middle man between the POS software and the payment processor and install it
Oh hey by the way @TylerH, do you happen to have swaggy Flow learning resources?
@PaulStenne I just use the discussion boards at flow.microsoft.com
mostly to complain about when they change things
and blog posts
16:25
Okay, ty
I do follow the microsoft-flow tag here though
so you may be able to find answers on SO
 
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@PraveenKumarPurushothaman The image has been swapped to text
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@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Is this question OK now that the image has been replaced by code?
20:36
Not exactly, it's a typo... Anyway, it's closed.
@SotiriosDelimanolis We don't allow *-pls requests on posts being actively moderated on Meta/the community.
sounds good, edited my answer
 
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I want 3-CV back. I run out of my votes today already, and there is so much nice stuff to be closed.
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