« first day (1889 days earlier)      last day (1935 days later) » 

12:01 AM
 
 
2 hours later…
1:47 AM
We now have 1150 duplicates of deleted questions on SO. That's 28 less than last week. Just FYI. :)
 
@IlmariKaronen That first PHP one needs deletion. OP admits it was a typo
 
3:38 AM
Woohoo! I finally figured out how to exclude duplicates of migrated questions from the dupes of deleted questions query on SEDE.
Not that it makes much difference, since there are only 14 of those on SO, but it gets rid of an annoying edge case.
 
that's some massive SQL
 
It sure is, and the migration detection takes up about half of it. And it's definitely the uglier half. But I feel it's worth it.
It wouldn't be quite so complicated if I hardcoded the migration detection code to only work for SO as the source site. But I do want it to work for all SE sites, which means dealing with all kinds of legacy inconsistencies due to site renames etc.
 
my browser insists there is not a single question in those results
which is weird because stackoverflow.com/questions/42028011/… does have and
 
@tripleee There are. The SEDE list view does some ugly DOM manipulation stuff that basically makes it unsearchable with Ctrl+F. :(
 
@tripleee: That's not massive SQL. I had to debug some bad SQL that had a single SELECT statement of 150kbytes.
 
3:47 AM
hmmm, it only searches the visible results
 
You can still sort by the tags column and scroll down to find all questions with as the first tag.
 
@Joshua I'm not saying bigger is better, I am impressed but also convinced that there has to be a better way than SQL
 
Or download the CSV, I guess.
 
@IlmariKaronen good enough for a quick assessment -- one awk, two bash
and three more in linux + bash
 
@tripleee: There might be, but there's no obviously better way after I tuned it. It turns into this nice nested loops join with all index lookups on the right sides of everything and accesses every table once and applies a lot of filters. Any other way is going to have to just fetch all the data before even trying.
 
3:51 AM
and one macos + bash
 
@KenWhite: I understand that question, and it's still terrible.
 
I hear GraphQL simplifies some types of query tasks massively but I have no idea whether it would help here
 
Only if SQL Server natively accepts it.
 
one python + bash (sic)
and one simply unix
anyway, thanks for this query!
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto: So that Chinese user's question now has its MVCE and it's still unsalvagable.
 
4:05 AM
@Joshua Is the license for paste.ubuntu.com compatible with the Stack Overflow license?
if not, then the only one that should copy the code should be the OP
 
Ah; oops
 
@eyllanesc that's pesky
 
OP's not going to complain
 
@tripleee I do not understand you, could you explain me better
@Joshua No, but paste.ubuntu.com if you can complain.
 
@eyllanesc just saying you are correct of course, but the truth is ... complicating things for us all
 
4:10 AM
paste.ubuntu.com isn't claiming a license so it defaults to pass-thru
 
@tripleee But doing things the right way is always better even if this is complicated, I point it out so that they do not do it again.
 
@eyllanesc yes yes, you are absolutely correct of course
@Joshua not having an explicit license means you can't assume anything about the license
 
@Joshua this has already been discussed many times in meta and the consensus is that the only one that must copy the code of an external link is the OP.
 
The tag I mean
 
opinions on this, it has a "no MCVE" close vote and represents a very common kind of unclear question? stackoverflow.com/questions/54319700/…
We can't guess what's in your file, or what you would want for there to be instead of what's there now. What is the expected encoding of the data, and what does the failed data actually look like? Can you guess what text or data the problematic character at the identified position in the file is supposed to actually represent? The Stack Overflow character-encoding tag info page shows how to ask a well-defined question about data you cannot decode. — tripleee 10 mins ago
I have (tirelessly! heroically!) attempted to guide the OP to include relevant information in similar questions in the past but it rarely works out in the end
should we just close these as unreproducible / unclear?
 
5:00 AM
@tripleee I usually go with "unclear" or "no MCVE" if it's debugging, but, yes, they should be closed, because we just can't accurately answer. Any answer would just be a SWAG.
 
5:10 AM
@tripleee destroy with all impunity
 
Any opinions? Is that spamseed?
 
AGF/2B
 
@SmokeDetector If that answer is spam, shouldn't the whole question go too for being spamseed?
 
@EJoshuaS link have 50/50 tp spam record on charcoal.
 
What's the other 50?
 
5:24 AM
50 post 50 tp on cross site. :)
 
@JohnDvorak it means out of 50 reported messages, 50 were spam
 
Oh, I thought you meant 50:50
 
I was going to del-pls the whole thing Q&A, but it looks like a moderator already took care of it
 
def spam seed then
 
 
2 hours later…
How did this SD report have 2 close votes against it? Clear-as-day spam :S
Morning all btw
 
@MichaelDodd probably too many people are unaware of the differences between the close vs flag options
 
7:48 AM
@SmokeDetector Not sure how to handle that one. It's a troll answer, but not obvious R/A
NAA?
Going to modflag the user. They're on a nonsense answer spree
 
8:08 AM
@tink Probably better to clarify that as self-duplicate. Less than an hour between both questions
 
@Machavity sorry I was already sleeping tight :), anyway I saw it got solved.
 
8:56 AM
Yeah memorize all the stufzzz :)
 
@PetterFriberg If memorising code was vitial for my job, I'd have been fired long ago
 
and SO probably would be useless.. since we have it all memorized
 
OP rolled back to original messy formatting too, won't bother starting a rollback war...
Oh, thank you :)
 
just once... maybe it was a misstake.. if they continue I will leave it
I went with unclear on that it's really hard to actually follow OP's thinking path...
maybe trolling but who knows
 
@PetterFriberg OP's invited me to answer but I'll pass since I've already VC'd and still think it's too broad / not programming related
 
9:03 AM
Yeah I saw.. it's also unclear and POB (if you give advice on how one should learn, what one should know)
 
o/
 
o/
 
Why are half the starred posts about getting stars... what did I miss yesterday
5
Now I'm even more confused
 
RO's are slacking time to cleanup all these stars...
3
 
9:52 AM
@IslamElshobokshy you are linking to a comment, not to the question
 
@tripleee tsk sorry I always involuntary do this
 
@IslamElshobokshy not sure how well the cv-pls watching software copes with that but too late to edit now
 
@tripleee I think that as long as there's [tag:cv-pls] the script works
 
10:12 AM
@Adriaan cv-pls requests automatically get flagged for archiving after 3 days
Only requirement is the cv-pls tag
 
What to do with this question? Basically they want 30 factorial permutations, which must be stored in more memory than available on the whole Earth...
 
10:29 AM
@Adriaan unclear would work for now
 
repeatedly bangs head against desk
 
Poor desk ...
 
User gets told answer in four separate comments, still replies "plz give me solution"
 
@Adriaan How about "no repro" ? ;)
 
The duplicate request I posted earlier, for those interested or needing entertainment
 
11:05 AM
I just recently got 20k, but I am unclear about when I should VTD a question (closed, -3 or lower) vs leave it alone and let roomba delete it.
 
@iBug If it doesn't have an upvoted answer or multiple answers, leave it alone.
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman i.e., leave it for roomba as long as it's eligible?
but, I've seen questions deleted by 20k+ at -4 or -5 (less than 1hr after being posted), and questions left alone at -7 or -8 and later deleted by Community (RemoveDeadQuestions, etc.).
 
11:39 AM
@iBug we prefer to let roomba do its work. If roomba is blocked it is time to use other moderation options.
And if there is an case of utter not useful / quality issues causing a whole q/a go down in flames where delete votes might be beneficial
and ofc the cleanup of not useful duplicates, aka those that don't count as a signpost
 
12:13 PM
@iBug I occasionally vote to delete something just because I keep on running out of close votes and/or downvotes and it's really close to being deleted anyway
so in other words if downvoting to get it to roomba is what I wanted to do but it already has two delete votes, spending a delete vote gets the job done (faster, as well) and crucially saves a downvote for something else
(constructed example, probably an oversimplification)
and congrats on the 20k
 
Is there a know way to handle the issue when you remove your duplicate flag cause you found a better duplicate to link? without getting to meta Actullay i just need one duplicate flag to put it to review.
 
12:30 PM
@xdtTransform finding another gold badge owner to hammer it is a workaround, or post a cv-pls here with a remark about what it should be marked as a duplicate of
 
12:54 PM
 
1:32 PM
If a syntax error is the only problem of a code in a question, is it a reason for closure?
 
@NathanOliver No good evening for our friends in Bangladesh?
@NathanOliver: Of course I'm just giving you a little cheek. I constantly screw up greetings for international teams
 
1:48 PM
It's morning here so no. I can only handle one time zone at a time ;)
 
@NathanOliver Good afternoon o/ ;)
 
@AndyG We run on UGT here :P
9
 
hm, new office seems to have problems TLS handshaking with i.stack.imgur
HTTP works fine, HTTP just gets stuck
 
@MichaelDodd that is the same ....
well, there are plenty of s's in that sentence, we'll borrow one ...
 
@rene * HTTPS gets stuck
I'll have an S please Bob
3
 
probably BOFH, Inc. got hired ...
 
@MichaelDodd I appreciate this joke
 
3:01 PM
huh, the developer survey is out already?
 
Moarf... I was trying a speed test because I couldn't understand why my connection was so slow... now I know... thank you Survey2019!
 
3:45 PM
"Which languages have you worked with in the last year" Oh, let me not forget to check VBA. "Which languages do you want to work with next year" Oh, let me make sure I don't check VBA.
 
Also, PHP
 
4:53 PM
Fun fact: closing a question doesn't actually remove the sensitive information.
 
@SmokeDetector Splendid that they always vandalise and then delete, and not the other way around
 
6:05 PM
@NicholasK This links to an accepted answer. That seems to belie quite strongly that the question is unclear
 
 
@Makyen Dunno if this discussion has been had yet but will that latest Google Chrome bombshell affect any of your user scripts in Chrome? (I don't use them in Chrome but just curious)
the one that would essentially kill uBlock Origin
 
tl;dr: what bombshell?
 
@JohnDvorak I think this howtogeek.com/fyi/…
 
thanks
The more reasons to stick to Firefox
 
7:21 PM
@TylerH At this point, I've read the article linked by @CalvT. I'm still looking into the issue. From the description there, such a change is unlikely to affect userscripts, as they don't get access to chrome.webRequest functionality. However, the affects on userscripts would mostly be in the timing of when userscripts are run vs. page loading. However, the specifics will depend significantly on the implementation of the userscript manager.
 
@TylerH @JohnDvorak @CalvT The Register article, upon which the How-To Geek article is based, does a better job of covering the concerns which leap immediately to my mind (i.e. a significant overall reduction in security and user control for those concerned enough to use browser extensions to provide better than the default). However, these are concerns for browser extensions, rather than userscripts.
 
7:55 PM
@JohnDvorak indeed
@Makyen Oh, yeah that's true. I didn't think about the fact they're different implementations and cover different concerns
 
@Makyen still no timeline when this will be implemented right?
 
@Adriaan Yeah the Chromium team still hasn't even completed the initial doc on it
 
@Adriaan I haven't seen one yet. The documentation says that even after Manifest v3 becomes available there will be a year for browser extensions to migrate to v3 prior to v2 being disabled.
 
I've had trouble with FF over the years; I try it every few years, but it always crashes or leaks memory within a few days
 
8:15 PM
Overall, the changes described in the Manifest V3 document should improve baseline security and eliminate some ways for bad-acting Chrome browser extensions to act as malware (e.g. some of which, currently, are just security-negligent on the part of Chrome, like the current ability of extensions to run remote code in the background context).
Thus, from what I've read so far, it should be, overall, a good thing for baseline security. However, part of the changes are at the expense of tools used by extensions that increase security over that baseline, which means that some of the changes are bad for those that want more than what Chrome provides as a baseline.
@Adriaan Over the years, I've had basically similar experiences with both Chrome and Firefox wrt. memory leaks and crashing. Both have progressively improved over time.
 
8:55 PM
 
9:26 PM
@SmokeDetector sorry about that edit approval; I thought he actually just code formatted; not threw away most of the code :s Not that it matters for the question
What can we close that as? "What language is this" is not too broad, not unclear, not asking for a recommendation etc...
 
 
2 hours later…
11:39 PM
 

« first day (1889 days earlier)      last day (1935 days later) »