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12:42 AM
@rene is Rocket Chat back up? Forgot to ask
 
1:13 AM
@Machavity We're still using slack as far as I know.
 
And another request for comments; I'm still quite new to this whole thing (though I've been a member for quite some time) ... was I wrong with this stackoverflow.com/questions/54119342/…
 
@Makyen Thanks
 
2:12 AM
@TylerH Anchor elements for each rule, with IDs, have existed in the page for about 1.5 years. The heading elements have also had IDs for that period. The issue was making a link visible so people could copy them conveniently.
@Vega @NathanOliver A link from which you can copy the URL now appears to the left of the section of the SOCVR FAQ the mouse is hovered over. Where there are two identifiers available, the more verbose fragment identifier is in the visible link. If you need to save characters when linking, you can find and use the shorter fragment, but you'll need to look at the source, or use a tool to display it.
 
2:55 AM
in Burnination progress for the music tag, 5 hours ago, by Bhargav Rao
Unless anyone have a convincing reason to do otherwise, I would like to end the 4th phase of [music] burnination on next Monday, i.e, Jan 14th.
 
jww
@tink - Recommend you don't engage much more than the question is off-topic. Two different opinions and no meeting in the middle. Its pissing into the wind. Don't take the bait. Don't get lured in.
 
jww
3:23 AM
@GBlodgett - Looks like the fellow at Need aid with accomplishing project did not go to class.
 
Oh, yeah. And how to protect and license it, too.
 
@jww Evidently not. Some questions just floor me
 
@jww - sound advice.
 
jww
@GBlodgett - Yeah, that fellow was pretty bold. I laughed when I read, "I want someone to write code for me". Too bad its not a Bash question. Plenty of Huckleberry Finn's around.
 
@jww Is the Bash community less tolerant of those blatant hw dumps?
 
jww
3:30 AM
@GBlodgett - No, the Bash crowd embraces them. I'm going to puke if I see another "how do I use sed to replace a string" with 5 answers. (Tom Sawyer got Huck Finn to paint the fence for him).
 
@jww Ah. I can never tell what to expect when moving from one tag to another.
 
Hi, this is my first time drop through here
 
jww
@GBlodgett - Google search results are so screwed up for the Bash tag I usually go to the first non-Stack Overflow answer I can find. nixCraft usually has a good treatment.
The problem folks don't seem to get is, the hundreds of "how do I replace a string with sed" displace the canonical dup as a top search result. So search returns the duplicate questions with the fastest gun answers rather than a mature question and answers.
 
@Makyen Thank you very much @Makyen! It is exactly what I wished, it's perfect :)
 
@Vega np. I'm glad it's helpful.
 
3:40 AM
@jww Yeah there are several threads like that in the Java tag. Definitely not as bad as most in Bash I'm guessing but there's almost always someone who will post a one line answer to the "How do I compare Strings in Java" questions
 
I am sure it will be helpful many many times :)
 
3:55 AM
@PetterFriberg (belatedly) thanks for clarifying, the search results did look vaguely pertinent
@jww it's not like there is a very tightly knit Bash community, I've been trying to scrape together something in a separate chat room but most of the regulars are not very eager on using chat
both of you are obviously most welcome to participate, it's mainly just me and Queen chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/98569/bin-bash
I think by and by we have managed to find or create canonicals for many FAQs and mark as duplicates a lot of similar questions, but there is still a lot to be done
my impression is that the effort is paying off by persuading more of the regulars to start doing that instead of churning out yet another similar answer
there is a growing but rather disorganized collection of canonicals in the bash tag wiki page
still I have it from e.g. Anubhava that writing another answer is often much easier than finding a duplicate -- and I concur, it's just that I will nevertheless spend the search effort anyway, and you get better at it over time
my impression is that the Python tag is (now?) a lot more relaxed when it comes to replying to common FAQs ... even though they have a better organization and their own site for collecting canonicals sopython.com
and an active chat room with many regular participants
including a couple of high-profile and very active mods
 
jww
Yeah, the other offenders say the same thing. For example, "I do not have time to search the site for that same solution existing as the accepted answer in some other question", Deleting repeated word pairs in opposite order.
 
re: your comment there, I have been thinking if we can't persuade SO to apply gamification to finding duplicates, why don't we create our own game?
maybe along the lines of the COLOSSAL ADVENTURE I ad-libbed here last week
it has scrolled off the starboard already even though it got liked with several stars ... scroll scroll HERE
 
 
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6:04 AM
^ possibly spam too, though I marked it as FP in Metasmoke
^^^ I'm changing my mind, there's a previous spam from 2 months ago with exactly the same URL
 
jww
@tripleee - Are you referring to the Wix question, my website page has not frame that why its not mobile friendly? I thought Wix was yet another Windows Installer. I did not understand the website connection...
 
@jww probably they are hosted on wix.com, an el-cheapo hosting provider
yeah, it's incorrectly tagged, but closing + roomba will fix that
 
6:46 AM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Come back to your place
 
jww
7:30 AM
How should this question be handled: Anaconda3-2018.12 linux installation: checksum? OP downloaded Anaconda. He does not like the naming conventions and can't find a sig file. Anaconda support tells him to ask questions on Stack Overflow.
 
 
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8:42 AM
Morning all
Half 8, this is the earliest I've ever been in the office. Straight onto the coffee I think
!!/coffee
 
@MichaelDodd brews a cup of Macchiato for @MichaelDodd
 
Good evening @MichaelDodd o/
 
@MichaelDodd congratulations! Are you going to go even earlier?
 
@double-beep Yep, eventual 7am start by middle of next week
Otherwise I get caught in roadworks for an extra 30-45 minutes, effectively doubling my commute time
 
And I'm off to bed :D ... night all o\
 
8:45 AM
7:15am is the time where it starts to back up
@tink night!
@double-beep The roadworks don't affect me yet but the office is moving next week or week after
 
@MichaelDodd it will be further from your home?
Oh, I guess then you would have to wake up much earlier?
 
@double-beep Only a mile further away, but on higher speed roads (under normal circumstances). However the roadworks are in a really inconvenient place, on the biggest road into Bournemouth
 
umm, can someone non-mod but a member of SO Teams test this "search box is missing" bug?
 
@AndrewT. I can repro
the form is visible in the page source but it doesn't render as anything useful
 
Thanks, seems it affects members of SO Teams only, just like the previous "Oops, something bad on profile page happens" ...
 
9:06 AM
Morning o/
 
\o
 
 
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10:12 AM
I'm now a good meme
 
@NickA good meme, good meme *pats head*
 
@MichaelDodd You mod flagged?
 
@NickA Just about to, I'd like to do a mass-report to SD but unsure if I'd be allowed an exception to the user-targeting rule
 
@MichaelDodd You can do those in Charcoal if you have privileges there, but not here
The command has been disabled for this room
 
You have posted a large number of answers which all link to this site. You want to back off and read the relevant help section. — tripleee 7 secs ago
 
10:18 AM
@tripleee it's a clear spam, 6 answers within 1h or less
 
There we go :)
 
All posts gone
 
10:35 AM
 
10:50 AM
@double-beep nitpick but it should be Stack Overflow in your comment, not Stack OverFlow :)
 
@NickA edited. It does not make any sense.
 
any help would be appreciated
 
@NarendraPandey Don't one box stuff; don't promote your own questions here; and only mention questions when in need of moderation please
 
ok, sorry. new to chat window. I was not trying to promote
 
@NarendraPandey You can find the rules (for this room) here
 
10:55 AM
ok.thanks
 
Also, one hour is a short time on SO. Note that all users here are volunteers, so it gets done when it gets done. If you want it done sooner, you'll have to hire a developer. @NarendraPandey
 
@Makyen Can you remove onebox please thanks :)
 
@IslamElshobokshy please like to the question instead of a comment/answer next time
 
11:04 AM
@IslamElshobokshy it is good to format your requests, either with the *-pls generator (userscript) or by typing. Check another requests for more information.
 
and also VVVLQ
@Shree you are soooo slow
 
00ps sorry.
 
Snap? :P
 
some more
In so many words, if the computer says "this file does not exist" and you say "but it does", which of the two do you think we will believe? Nothing personal, just that solid experience nudges us towards believing the computer. Show us how the computer is wrong and we have something to talk about at least. — tripleee 3 mins ago
 
@double-beep I think it was fine, it had what was needed, cv-pls tag, reason, link to post (although as Adriaan said, it should link to the post itself and the reason should come before the link)
 
11:25 AM
@Adriaan oh yes sorry ^^ I just copy/paste the link without checking, my bad. @double-beep I do use cv-pls, or do you want me to add other tags ie javascript, php.. etc ?
 
@IslamElshobokshy take a look here.
 
11:47 AM
 
12:13 PM
^ unsure about that one. Question looks poor, but domain has a mixed history according to MS
More recent "no"s than "yes"s
 
How do we deal with deleted and reposted questions again?
 
@Adriaan If it's repeated (at least 3 times), modflag with link to old questions. Else just downvote, close and let the banning systme do the rest.
 
@Adriaan in and of itself that's unremarkable I guess, but typically you would find that someone deleted when they got downvotes and then reposted to get a clean slate, which is obviously trying to circumvent the quality controls
 
@tripleee Probably, also the OP seems to think that they should get a response from SO within minutes; they pinged me 45 mins ago to reopen, and 30 mins later they deleted+reposted
 
Generally, if you downvote them and they repeat their behaviour, that's a solid way to fast track them getting a question ban
 
12:31 PM
@Adriaan Given what you said I would assume that this post was raised by someone that dropped by this room for some advice, without which the post likely wouldve slipped under the radar
 
@NickA yes
Hm, undelete on the original Q and flag as a self-dupe might work, isn't it? Or is that not allowed since the OP voluntarily removed their question themselves, without answers etc?
 
@Adriaan I'd say dubious at best since it would also re-introduce the rep loss for OP
 
1:00 PM
@NickA Most of the edit was correct (capitalization of I and such) so you could just reject and edit (or approve and edit if you were feeling generous). Done that myself now.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth I wanted a second set of eyes to make sure there wasn't an oversight
 
Ah, OK, I do agree that edit should've probably been rejected/adjusted
 
1:14 PM
@TemaniAfif Has some code now. MCVE?
 
1:29 PM
Morning
 
Afternoon o/
 
@Machavity still no enough, missing relevant HTML
 
1:51 PM
yodel are trash -.-
 
2:08 PM
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays It even says in the AngularJS excerpt not to use it for angular 2 :(
 
@NathanOliver ikr
 
Hi
 
2:48 PM
\o
 
I think this comment wins the Internet today
Does everyone have to take turns running in the hamster wheel that powers the computers? If not then I think you'll be fine :) — Lio Elbammalf yesterday
 
3:21 PM
Can a RO remove my last request. OP self deleted after getting answer in comments.
 
I made a post about Ubisoft's decision to market Division 2 on Steam on Reddit.
It... uh... exploded.
 
@Nkosi If it's deleted it'll get swept up on the next cleanup
 
@Nkosi I think the cleanup script got it
 
It's the second week of January and already the work vending machine has Mini Eggs in it
 
3:45 PM
@Compass compassghost?
 
yarp
on there i am a ghost of a cat :V
 
@Compass I saw it earlier, it popped up in the android chrome new tab news feed, have yet to read it though
didn't check who wrote it and wouldn't have immediately thought of you if I saw :P
 
bread disguise success
2
 
@Makyen just a heads up about roomba rules: This might have impact: meta.stackexchange.com/a/322173/158100
 
4:20 PM
When you write a design spec and then day before issue requirements change 😢
 
4:53 PM
@rene Thanks for the heads-up. Implementing some of that should be reasonable (i.e. if the current user down-votes in the current tab), but I'm not sure about implementing anything beyond that. The only place we see when down-votes are placed is in the post timeline. I'd have to fetch the timeline for each affected post (i.e. any question and answers to the question which have down-votes). Unfortunately, answers don't have a timeline route in the SE API. That's going to be a pain.
I'd have to fetch the timeline page for each answer and parse it. That could result in the user getting a rate-limit violation lock-out from SE, if naively done on questions with a large number of answers, or when the user opens multiple tabs at the same time. Accounting for that won't be possible across the user using more than one browser, or being behind a router with other users. So, at best, this change will get a partial implementation of checking questions only & current-user down-votes.
 
@Makyen yeah, I noticed that it would be a pain. Partial implementation is fine.
 
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Q: The [writing] is on the wall

Machavitywriting 289 questions, no excerpt, and many of them seem to be in want of the clearer file-writing tag instead, although the latest wants to know how to get mad writing skills and there's a few who just want to write code. It's just too ambiguous a tag. I'm proposing a short burn and then synon...

 
5:06 PM
@nbro Hi, please mark your requests with [tag:cv-pls].
Makes it easier to clean up once the post is closed
 
@MichaelDodd I wanted to do it before posting, but I didn't remmeber the tag. Now it is too late: can't edit the comment anymore
 
@nbro read socvr.org/…
 
5:55 PM
@tink I'd recommend not having the format comment in your close-reason on the question. It would be reasonable to add an additional comment to the question for such issues, unless it's actually part of why you are voting to close. IMO, it shouldn't be part of your reason to close, unless the grammar and formatting is so bad as to make the question unclear, but then just sticking to "unclear" for the close reason would be reasonable.
 
This one doesn't seem like a programming problem. Anyone more familiar with the subject?
 
@Makyen - right. Fair comment, will do in the future. Can't edit any more ... does it make sense to remove the comment (if that's possible, never tried), and repost?
 
@tink That sounds reasonable. You should be able to delete it just like any other comment. Doing so prior to the post being closed might have resulted in it being reposted should someone else select that reason, but I'm not sure. We'd have to test. Given that the question is closed, it should have no adverse effect.
 
6:26 PM
@Makyen right. Just got to work, will do that now. Cheers
 
Nice finding, this tag. We can find gems such as this one.
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays Dang it, you just tricked me into using one of my CVs for something other than cleanup
I was doing so well today, too
 
@TylerH Oh. :( What can I do to make it up with you?
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays Use up all your remaining CVs in the CVQueue filtered by ;-)
 
6:43 PM
11k votes cast, neato
 
Who the what?
@TylerH I'm about 10 questions in and already bored with that queue. :[
 
Is there a way to get "Unix & Linux" into the list of better suited sites for close options? About 90% of things I'd like to see somewhere else belong there, and having a canned response would be handy ;) ... I end up flagging Superuser way more than I think I should because it's convenient :/
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays :-(
 
@TylerH Also, I'm out of up-down votes.
 
oh noes, that's even worse
 
6:49 PM
@tink Post on Meta. Basically, something would have to be removed in order to add a reason. Are you asking for a migration target or just a close reason mentioning that site.
 
@tink We do have a canned custom closure repo for use with AutoComments. Can submit a reason there and then subscribe to the repo
 
@Makyen - the latter.
@Machavity - how does that work?
 
@tink As with what @Machavity said, when I have something I use repeatedly, I just add it to the close reasons that I have in my own AutoComments. You can use a repo to start with, but I prefer to be able to modify them to my own needs.
 
@tink Check out comments.socvr.org
 
sweet - thanks @Makyen and @Machavity
 
7:02 PM
Hmmm ... followed the steps in github.com/Benjol/SE-AutoReviewComments but no auto for me ... more reading :}
 
@tink Do you use other userscripts? (i.e. are you familiar with userscripts, such that we can assume that part's working?) Did you install it as a userscript or as it's own extension?
 
@TemaniAfif Will Roomba
 
@Machavity yes, but cannot wait for Roomba when I see such question ...
 
@Makyen - I have a few ... some running under violent-/tapermonkey, others as extensions (e.g. for duolingo)
 
7:18 PM
@tink OK. Well, "auto" should be automatic. :-) I assume you reloaded the page. Are you looking for the "auto" when adding a comment, or when editing a custom close reason?
 
@Machavity What is a Roomba?
 
@Makyen adding a comment - and yes, I've reloaded the page ;)
 
@tink hm, what scripts do you have running for DuoLingo?
 
@Makyen Thnx, will read it now
 
7:20 PM
@TylerH vocab manager, language switcher
Oh, and for SE I obviously already run the cv script :)
 
@tink custom or downloaded from somewhere?
 
@TylerH downloaded
 
@Sami Basically, it's a set of tasks that go through and delete some questions. The three tasks that do most of the work affect questions: 9 days after "on-hold" (daily); that are at least 30 days old (weekly); and that are at least 365 days old (weekly).
 
Yeah, I read it and I understand what it is now
kind of a job in SQL Server
 
@tink ...care to share a link? :-)
 
7:26 PM
@TylerH - will try to find them - installed AAAAAGES ago. :)
 
ah, was hoping the scripts would include a link at the top or something
 
poor me over here on Firefox :-D
 
Heh ...
 
Guess it's just more impetus to get me working on browser addons...
 
7:28 PM
now trying to find out how the LANGUAGE switcher works ;) ... it's not in the extensions bar but obviously present ...
Hmmm - having done more research it may not be running at all ... I'm now almost certain that when I installed it it was a tapermonkey thing ... however, I disabled Tapermonkey the other week, and switching easily still works. Maybe Duolingo fixed their UI :D
 
@TylerH Firefox WebExtensions are, to a significant extent, code-compatible with extensions written for Chrome. Not everything works, is implemented, or is even planned to be implemented, in Firefox but there's quite a bit that can just be run directly, or with minor changes.
 
@Makyen Thanks a lot for adding the links
 
And for all it's worth - in the last CV of mine auto did show up. I hate it when I can't understand why things like that happen :(
 
7:44 PM
@NathanOliver np. I think it will be useful for people. I'm glad that it was suggested. I've seen something like it on GitHub and had thought that it would be useful for us, but hadn't gotten around to it, due mostly to having the extension I've previously mentioned. Having the links more visible also makes it a bit more clear a few areas where we might want to add some additional links, which I'll get around to eventually. :-)
 
Silly question - if I select save in auto's import/export ... where does it save to? I'd like to be able to edit those responses ...
 
local storage in your browser
 
heh @rene ... I guess that's true; but I can't see a filename written to in the last three minutes that would suggest a relation to "auto" or "comment" =}
 
@tink hit F12 go to the Application tab, select Local Storage in the left side tree
 
7:55 PM
@Makyen Yeah, which is nice. I'm still starting from zero (experience), though :-P
 
@rene - ta, will have a play with that ...
 
8:44 PM
@NathanOliver heh the java tag beat c++ :)
I was wondering why the heck you cv-pls java stuff...
 
 
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10:00 PM
@SmokeDetector There is a pattern forming here. at least 4 of the most recents answers have that link
Nope make that all 5
 
Based on the report of SmokeDetector I have reviewed the answers of the user melissa and we see that its main point is to promote a library/API, is that valid?
 
And the poster's profile is Developer at ConcreteSocial.io
 
@eyllanesc spam or mod flag users.. not much we can do..
 
@PetterFriberg okay thanks
 
and always avoid passing user name or links to users in this chat... SOCVR can not moderate user only single question or answers
If you think a user is causing problems, the way to go is always to raise a custom mod flag explaining why.
 
10:10 PM
@PetterFriberg okay, I did not want them to moderate, it was just a query to the community, I did not know about the username so I apologize, and raise the flag.
 
@eyllanesc Basically, what @PetterFriberg said: If it's obvious spam, then spam flag. If it's something you have to explain, then custom mod-flag. If you feel that you want to report a user (e.g. all their posts) to SmokeDetector (for obvious spam), please go to Charcoal HQ, as doing so is not permitted in SOCVR.
 
@Makyen thanks
 
11:01 PM
A question was fastly closed as duplicate but it simply has a typo issue, should I bother reopen and re-close as typo again? (I need only one reopen vote since I have the gold)
 
jww
I think a SuperUser migration went sideways here: Create matrix from binary string using Octave. The question has nothing to do with programming or development. I asked on SuperUser because it is a simple "how do I use <program>".
Two things need fixing. First, SuperUser needs to stop migrating some questions. Second, the question needs to go to a site that helps with using programs.
How do we go about getting things fixed?
 
11:24 PM
@jww - I know a bunch of people who'd consider that programming :)
 
11:50 PM
@TemaniAfif It depends - it's probably not worth the bother, but it's hard to say without seeing the question. Please post a link if you want to discuss it further.
 
@jww Can you further explain your position on writing an Octave program not being on-topic for SO?
 
@StephenKennedy here is the question : stackoverflow.com/questions/54138086/…
 
jww
@E_net4 - Its not a program by any definition I am aware. It is a command in an interpreter, like issuing ls in Bash.
 
@TemaniAfif That's an easy one :) - leave it, Roomba will take care of it
@jww Looked more SU than SO to me. Maybe a mod can push it back?
 

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