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Sam
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1:15 AM
@PearlySpencer In the future, please provide a more detailed close-reason for your cv-pls requests. "Off-topic" is insufficient, as it covers many different close reasons. On SO, "off-topic" includes all of: General computing (Super User, but really anything that "doesn't belong here"); belongs on Server Fault; is a Resource request; No MCVE (debugging question which doesn't fulfill requirements); Typo/Not Reproducible; Migration (to a few different, but not all, sites); and Other: custom reason.
For custom reasons, you can use something like: "Custom: not about programming".
 
 
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user8682794
2:21 AM
@Makyen Thanks for pointing this out. Will do in the future.
 
 
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4:28 AM
Good morning
 
 
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6:33 AM
@NileshRathod I gave that an edit so it no longer reads like a off-site resource request. Can't solve the broadness I think. You might want to check my edit and either improve or rollback if I screwed up.
 
@rene ok thanks i have retracted my vote
 
6:58 AM
@NileshRathod do you still want the cv-pls you posted to be looked at by others in the room? Or do you rather have it removed as well? I'm OK with leaving it ...
 
@rene do you still want the cv-pls you No
 
OK ;)
and done
 
 
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o/ Morning
 
8:34 AM
@InsaneCat please stop requesting access to the Graveyard. You won't get it and it is explained in our FAQ what happens when your requests are moved there.
 
okies @rene :)
 
How does an item end up in the reopen queue more than once?
 
@NickA with a re-open vote?
 
@rene A single re-open vote always pushes it back into the queue even if it's been in before?
 
yes
 
8:47 AM
Alright, ta
 
the rule about it only going once in the queue is for substantial edits
 
9:23 AM
o/
 
how to deal with this both question and answer are same stackoverflow.com/questions/51515326/…
 
@Ron needs a reject edit
@NileshRathod the question by itself is unclear and lacks MCVE...
I dont see it being useful
 
@SurajRao thanks
 
unclear yup (y)
 
 
Ron
@SurajRao Indeed. Done.
 
Question: Does SOCVR also do cv-pls requests for meta?
 
noo...
 
noted. In this case it's a question that's supposed to be on the main SO site, not meta
 
@MichaelDodd leave a comment but we can't migrate anyway so not much use to post here
 
10:05 AM
@rene Cheers for the clarification
 
Cheers back ...
Not sure if that is appropriate to do but in these days I rather be safe than sorry
 
@rene Ah don't worry, it's just another way of saying "thanks" over here
 
thanks ;)
I'll stop now
 
user8682794
wow four questions in are now on hold. It's a miracle..!
 
10:38 AM
@SmokeDetector Is that spam btw, unsure on whether to flag that one
 
@MichaelDodd Just looks like junk to me
 
@NickA Oh it's definitely a poor answer eitherway, just not sure if it meets the threshold for spam
 
@MichaelDodd I'm not totally convinced that they're affiliated in any way with the linked site, could be but don't think so. And the rest is just an awful explanation of how SEO works
Nevermind, it's linked in their profile, so indeed, spam flag as affiliation isn't made clear
 
user8682794
Does anyone know when i can vote again to close a question if i have already done so and the vote has aged away? There is a date when i am supposed to be allowed again but it keeps changing.
 
@MichaelDodd Yep, see my next message
 
10:43 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this should be an edit to the question and not an answer? I think it is pretty hard to misjudge it.
 
@MunimMunna Looks like a self answer with no explanation to me
 
@MunimMunna He could have phrased it a lot better. I'd expect a 22k user not to post an edit as an answer.
 
@MunimMunna hard to tell, needs an SME and that is not me
 
He posted his current code. And a lot high rep users makes mistakes.
His question is identifying country in a better way, no way this can be his answer.
 
@MunimMunna Unfortunately I'm not a JS developer so can't make that judgement call
 
10:50 AM
I'm not totally convinced, OP was looking for a different way to do it, they posted a different way as an answer, may not be any better/worse, but it is different
 
Sorry guys, i dont see it as different, code posted on the question is incomplete, code posted on answer just has the variable declarations, this is my opinion, adding punctuations to code does not yeild a new code to me, just my opinion
I comply to democracy however :p
 
"democracy" --- SOCVR's tyranny ;)
 
11:20 AM
@SmokeDetector Spam? site seems irrelevant to either an answer or a new question
Thought I wasn't issuing a command there?
 
3 minutes and counting
 
Miss guided user I think.
 
@Shree On second thoughts probably, they'll be answer-banned soon enough
 
@Shree I'm not convinced, that's twice in the last 15min and they're blacklisted by SD for doing it last week also
 
@NickA they even have the Informed badge. Impressed.
 
11:30 AM
Last week also make some sense.
 
11:48 AM
Unclear what OP asked (check the answer's comments) stackoverflow.com/questions/51517256/…
 
12:30 PM
@SmokeDetector Well, at least they're using example domains this time rather than their own site
 
Is this code review? "If any of you could give me any hint if my code is right or not would be an incredible help! Is there an easier/faster approach btw?"
 
@Adriaan they gave no indication if the code is working or not so it would not fit on CR site
 
@Adriaan Does it work?, if so CR may be an option, although they'll probably want to come up with a more complete description of what the code does and what they want to benefit from the review
 
@rene That ESA lady talks like a Kindergarten teacher, in that slow sing-song voice
 
12:49 PM
@SmokeDetector Plagiarism. Mod-flag it.
 
@MichaelDodd Done
 
@NileshRathod I swear I saw an identical question to that yesterday or Monday
 
@MichaelDodd yes you are right
 
@MichaelDodd We call it deja-close. Sooner or later all the questions you've reviewed run together
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@MichaelDodd here is the link of that question asked yesterday stackoverflow.com/questions/51498347/…
 
Ron
1:26 PM
Is this unclear?
 
@Ron I went No MCVE
 
Ron
@Machavity Yes, probably the best fit.
 
user8682794
2:18 PM
Is it acceptable to re-post questions which have fallen in the back log here and only need a final vote to be closed?
 
@PearlySpencer No. People will look through the back log every once in a while and look at those.
 
user8682794
@Adriaan I understand, but what if they have already voted? If the votes age away the whole process would have to be restarted all over again.
 
@PearlySpencer Most of the regulars use the tools, which show you all the outstanding CVs
 
user8682794
@Machavity oh i see. thanks for letting me know this.
 
2:48 PM
@PearlySpencer we should probably burninate the stata tag
I will mention it in Trogdor
 
@PearlySpencer also do know that we're not a guaranteed close route. If it doesn't get closed either not enough people here thought it merited closure or it didn't get those votes quick enough. We don't offer a 100% success rate for everything that is posted. Not saying you expect that, just trying to inform you upfront.
 
user8682794
@TylerH i do not think this would be a good idea.
 
@PearlySpencer At the very least it needs a cleanup
3k questions, many with only the stata tag and not about programming in the slightest
 
user8682794
@TylerH it needs clean up yes and that is what i have been trying to do
 
@rene #RuinedExpectations
 
user8682794
2:51 PM
but burninating the entire tag is a bit too much i think
 
user8682794
@rene i am aware.
 
user8682794
@rene but really the links i am posting are rather egregious
 
@PearlySpencer Yeah, I mention burninating specifically because we don't actually have a tag, though we do need one. Cleanups usually happen by burnination-requesting a tag and then analyzing it.
 
user8682794
@TylerH i am not intimately familiar with the burninating process but it seems quite a bit extreme in my view
 
user8682794
@TylerH could create a lot of disruption
 
2:55 PM
@PearlySpencer disruption is what we're for
 
@PearlySpencer Yeah, the Trogdor room is a recently-created room with buy-in from Shog and several mods where we are trying to cleanup and streamline the process of tag cleanup/retag/burnination requests
because it is definitely currently untenable
mostly folks from here, SOCVR, are participating, but a few others are as well
 
Anyone know what this nsepy tag is?
 
user8682794
@TylerH all i am saying is that the really egregious questions cannot be more than 100 max out of 3000. i am going through the tag and could close/delete from here instead of disrupting the entire tag
 
@PearlySpencer well I see many of the Qs only have and no others; those should probably all be looked at too to see if other tags are warranted
Does Stata use its own proprietary programming language for statistical analysis or does it run on something else?
 
@PearlySpencer all the regulars posting here claim that ;) ... meh, you're fine ...
 
user8682794
@TylerH it has two languages both proprietary
 
@PearlySpencer So would you say questions tagged with stata and about programming in it should also specify which of the two languages they are using?
 
user8682794
@rene haha good point
 
@TylerH ta
 
user8682794
@TylerH ideally but i do not think most people would bother distinguishing. besides the is already used for something else and the mata language is lower level and more sparsely used so i re-mapped the mata tag to
 
3:02 PM
@NickA if you are going to make a tag wiki, let me know and I can review it
 
user8682794
@TylerH i think the best thing would be to close questions and then just purge them
 
@PearlySpencer I'm just thinking, for questions tagged with an application it's usually helpful to have more than just the application tag
that helps future editors, answerers, and cleanup efforts, should they ever come, and people asking questions have better examples to look at
 
user8682794
@TylerH agreed but for Stata this may often not be necessary
 
user8682794
i try to re-tag questions but i am on my own mostly so it is hard to keep up
 
@PearlySpencer surprising for ~3k watchers on the tag :-)
but more power to you!
 
user8682794
3:06 PM
and i lack the inclination to edit 3000 questions!
 
If you ever need help with cleanup, you're welcome here :-)
 
user8682794
the problem is that most people look around but do not help with moderation
 
user8682794
they do not even vote
 
user8682794
there are only 3-4 people including me answering questions
 
user8682794
thanks for the offer will definitely keep it in mind
 
3:09 PM
 
@rene Still Bing's fail to prioritize it over, you know, relevant content. But good to know where it came from
 
sure blame Bing
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@rene Well, we could blame Canada but that's so passé
 
3:49 PM
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/
 
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Unsure if mathematical operations or Ed Sheeran discography
 
I thought it was the former
 
will it compute? On JavaScript it will probably return 42 and nobody is amazed.
 
4:05 PM
it will return 42 and isNAN in the same time
 
Totally sane result
 
It ... returns isNaN? That's unusual.
 
But not impossible
 
Ron
public static void everything.
 
Why wondering? JavaScript is so polymorhic...
 
4:12 PM
@rene can you move my review-pls request above (just above the arithmetic symbols) to the request graveyard? It's completed
 
4:27 PM
@JohnDvorak JavaScript is unusual.
 
5:22 PM
<sigh/> Another poor guy trapped into the Unicode char, wchar_t fallacy:
@πάνταῥεῖ: why does Microsoft use the term Unicode wrongly? — geza 7 mins ago
I know what I am talking about. I've got some hard times (repeatedly) to wrap my head around that stuff (e.g. UTF8, UTF16 encodings)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You're not alone in UTF-8 fun
 
@Machavity There's a chit pinned at the blackboard of my department: Sche� Encoding! :3
 
6:22 PM
@EJoshuaS Close reason should be unclear. Don't miss to point them to the appropriate language specific SO site (portugese).
 
6:51 PM
@EJoshuaS I know you're a brave guy, no worries ;)
For the record.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ a couple of months back I learned that an utf8 encoded database in MariaDB really means utf8-3/4 as they only encode/decode up to 3 bytes for a char and when there is a 4 bytes encoded char in the stream they simply blow up.
 
@rene Probably harkens back to MySQL's poor implementation. utf8_general_ci isn't real UTF-8, it's a subset of chars. You have to use utf8mb4_general_ci to get true UTF-8
I still remember when everything was defaulted to latin_swedish_ci. Going to UTF-8 from that was fun
 
@rene PostgreSQL handles only 8 bit native char representations. It's up to the DB clients to get the conversion and representation well. There's a difference between number of bytes and number of characters counting. Very nifty that. Though knowing about that, I'll just trust our Devarts UNIDAC (<= ad) native drivers to handle that s@�i� correctly.
 
@Machavity yeah, that change was made. I only found out when I was importing content that contained emoji's. So I had a complete import stalled because it had three emoji's scattered around in that file :(
 
@rene So it crapped out on 💩?
 
7:02 PM
yes, it did ...
It worked fine for the imports from 2014 till 2017 ....
 
@rene "8 bit native char representations" I have to correct my wording, sorry. 8 bit byte memory representations. What's counting as a char depends on COLLATION settings.
 
oh Machavity was already there
quite surprising, it is, the first few times it bites
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Or, in this case, doesn't byte
 
ohthepun.gif :P
 
So how are things over in PHP land? 7.3 coming along?
 
7:06 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ yep, all that ...
 
@Machavity yeah! people are trying to fit in typed properties before feature freeze!
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Ooh, strict type properties
 
the next incredible thing would be generics, and I think PHP7 would be pretty nice
 
One really mean thing at windows kernels is you can't actually control the encoding with pipes (or at least that's rather complicated stuff). The sender writes all UTF8 encoded, no BOM to the pipe, the OS goes in between and lets the receiver see UTF16 + BOM from the streams. I am really angry about such poor s@�i�. Looks like my expectations were simply spoilt programming in linux environments too long. :-(
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I believe generics in PHP might turn out global template generations on steroids.
Not sure if such should be considered a good thing
 
hehe, that'd actually be great ;)
 
7:16 PM
Well, certainly would hurt the city maintenance services badly ;)
 
7:27 PM
 
8:27 PM
Is it just me or are the upvote and flag buttons for comments always visible now rather than being hover-only?
 
Duplicates here often aren't obviously to find, unless you know the right question to ask at google. The internal SE search engine is still poor about that. — πάντα ῥεῖ 14 secs ago
@gunr2171 No, it's everywhere.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ :(
 
What I am wondering of is, if others see my sticky flags as well?
Just to warn everyone: I see mod flags for comments as excessively sarcastic and comments deletion going through for simple stated, straight forward answers as comments:
> Buy more memory
QED: We need a calmdown!
 
8:46 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ SO is still suffering from blog poisoning:(
 
@MartinJames That was two month ago now at least.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It's like radioactivity; the half-life is quite long, and there is a decay chain running through meta.
 
@gunr2171 Yes they are, for about a week. There's a couple of Metas (here's the MSE one) and a userscript to restore the prior functionality.
 
@MartinJames And the decay rate is a bit undetermined.
@MartinJames The big mod sieve :3
Leads us to the question: "What should be considered excessively sarcastic vs. useful hints for an overly broad/unuseful question?"
 
9:12 PM
@FireAlarm I could've answered that...
 
10:03 PM
*disclaimer before hand : meant as a joke*
Is labeling a post as a help vampire considered unwelcoming?
:P
 
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Q: The [rect] tag link isn't working, and questions don't relate to winapi(burninate?)

XcoderThis is the info for the tag rect: To be used with RECT structure when using winapi. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd162897(v=vs.85).aspx. For questions relating to rectangles not using this api, use the rectangles tag https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/rect...

 
 
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11:20 PM
@NileshRathod Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 4 months ago. That's getting a bit old/inactive for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
 
11:36 PM
@PearlySpencer What really drew my attention to this request/question is that the question will be deleted by the Roomba in 2 days. In fact, the only reason that the question was not deleted in the last 2 months was that you had an answer on the question (deleted yesterday). Is it really likely that someone else is going to answer this 3 month old question in the next 2 days?
In other words, why is it worth the urgency of a cv-pls to close now rather than wait the two days, when you could have released it to be deleted anytime in the last 2 months?
 
user8682794
@Makyen the question you are referring to only had 2 down-votes until today i posted it on here. It would have stayed there forever. I answered this question when i was still new to the site and i deleted my response as it became apparent that it did was not helpful to the OP.
 
user8682794
I agree that a cv-pls may no longer needed given the additional downvotes.
 
@PearlySpencer That's inaccurate. With a score of -1, which it had since the day it was posted, it would have been Roomba'd 30 days after it was posted, if there was no answer. See the RemoveDeadQuestions Roomba task.
@MikeM. Just FYI: That would have Roomba'd in 2 days.
 
Consider grabbing the Roomba Forecaster Userscript. It's helpful in determining if you should waste some delete votes.
 
11:52 PM
@Makyen It had no downvotes when I posted the request. Are the rules different for self-dupes?
@FrankerZ I'm on Android Chrome. Can't do scripts.
 
@MikeM. The only one that's different for duplicates is the RemoveAbandonedClosed task that deletes closed questions 9 days after being put on hold. That task operates on closed questions, but not if they are closed as duplicate.
 

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