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I didn't see any other relevant chat rooms, so I figured this one is the closest. From my perspective, these two answers are largely the same (mine and someone else's), yet one winds up with a positive amount of feedback, and one with a very negative score. What are the differences? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/367034/2484483 and meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366906/2484483
 
 
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4:06 AM
Not spam, just a bad question
 
4:35 AM
@YetAnotherRandomUser "The downvoter explains themselves. They are clearly vested enough to downvote, they should be obligated to spew forth some verbiage to help fix what they see as broken.", this probably didn't help you in that post
 
user3956566
@rene do you think we need to review our comment repos with the new scrutiny over comments on the site? I'll go through my own repo and edit. I think less will be more with comments.
 
5:51 AM
is it possible to retract a comment flag after OP edits it?
 
Comment edits are a myth. Or do you have a proof that something like that even can happen? :P
 
comment war going on now.. dont want to link it flagged all of it as no longer needed
and closed the q
> DBAs are like drummers in a band. They speak first, listen later. Just like how you removed your comment that "I came to the wrong place if I didnt have a code issue." –
 
hey rao
whats the problem with that question?
 
mitch deleted his rude comments and you target me?
hey you dont speak to me like that
 
6:00 AM
comments are not for bickering @makkhi I flagged as no longer needed
 
whos devil?
 
And closed it since no one seems to be able to get what your asking without leaving a trail of comments
clarify things instead of trying to get in an argument
 
dont divulge. learn some manners first. the question is complete. those who put it on hold are blind
 
@makkhi Questions need to be a lot more explanatory providing relevant information that don't require prolonged chat discussion in comments to understand.
 
Munim please have a look at the question. It did not require additional clarification. People started telling me to leave the place, etc etc and now they deleted their comments. I never disrespected anyone.
 
6:06 AM
@makkhi And there is no question in your question
 
@makkhi calling people blind isn't nice
 
calling people devil is also not nice.. using swear words like F**k is also not.
 
"speak of the devil" is an idiom that doesn't require actual devils, or even speech
 
@makkhi it is an expression
 
blind is also an expression.
for those whose judgement seems clouded. not the actual lack of eyesight.
 
6:08 AM
... which isn't a nice to imply
 
those idioms are also not nice.
nor the expressions
 
... "speak of the devil" is a really weird thing to be offended by.
Do you have a suggested replacement?
 
you dont get to decide what others should get offended by.
 
I'm offended by you calling closevoters en groupe blind.
 
yes, the replacement would be to get out of your proud 100K+ reputation heels and just have a look at the questions, try to help, if not, move on....dont start preaching.
 
6:10 AM
@makkhi please edit the question in simple paragraphs 1. The Scenerio 2. The Expected Behavior 3. The Error Output 4. Finally I want to know. Helps people understand better. And don't bother about bad comments on your question. They won't stay.
 
or questioning other's intelligence
 
You're insinuating that quality control is the opposite of helping. So why did you come to SO?
@makkhi if questioning others' intelligence is bad, then why are you calling us blind?
 
Listen JOhn, from devil and blind, you now came to quality control. why not include some stress testing and other irrelevant stuff for the sake of winning an argument
you called me a devil first
 
eh... nope?
As for stress testing... you're doing great :P
 
please move on. its morning here. and you are spoiling it.
everything that you say is idiom or not-so-bad-word. but my blind pinched you too much. it shows what you are trying to do.
 
6:14 AM
This doesn't seem like a productive discussion anymore @makkhi
 
@makkhi bro, edit your question, we will open it, this is how it works here, try to understand
 
Everybody deserves to enjoy a Beautiful morning. Feel free to take a break at any time. We won't pursue.
08:20 here, by the way
 
Apologies for filling the room with drama here. I think its time to remove room links in my profile.
 
6:57 AM
@YvetteColomb yeah, scrutinizing them won't hurt and with the latest Shog9 advice you can even argue they are obsolete. I'm not convinced yet our auto-comments contribute to the problems but neither do I want to see them used as evidence in a screenshot.
@SurajRao meh, seems handled OK.
Everybody tried to explain within reason what was going on or needed to be done.
 
 
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8:08 AM
@Makyen @HovercraftFullOfEels @techraf @KenWhite A question you closed is brought up on Meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/367225/… please chime in there.
 
Ron
8:47 AM
o/
 
9:05 AM
o/ morning
 
Zoe
Morning
 
user3956566
@rene yep, that's my concern.
 
9:25 AM
 
9:50 AM
App-store questions like this are off-topic, is that correct? stackoverflow.com/questions/28373597/…
 
Zoe
yep
 
should we delete this question? It's upvoted a lot, lots of answers, but it's a lib request with only lib answers. Same here and here.
 
@Adriaan The second example looks like an easy "yes". The first one, I see no value but I'd be wanting to hear from one of the room heavyweights before acting :)
 
10:21 AM
@Adriaan this one can't be deleted: stackoverflow.com/questions/5891031/…
we might as well add the links here if we decided on deletion
 
@rene Out of interest, what is the rule preventing deletion?
 
@StephenKennedy it is a duplicate target, 3 questions are closed against it
 
@rene Is that a system enforced rule, or a matter of etiquette?
 
@StephenKennedy system enforced, I clicked delete ...
 
Learn something new every day! Ty Rene. That doesn't appear to be mentioned here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/…
 
11:11 AM
If there is a mod lurking, can you see / confirm which flag was used here?
 
@rene why can't that be deleted?
 
@rene ah right. Find the dupes, delete those too? :P
 
sure
 
I'd prefer this one to stay actually; that answer's way more than LO, as opposed to the dupe target
 
11:16 AM
Chat room finds the ultimate root of duplicates, all posts on SO deleted
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I think we should refrain from deleting The One True Question, tbh
I suppose it's answer will be "42"
 
11:37 AM
 
Ron
Eeew, must this bot be called GraveRobber?
No offense but I think it will be bullied by other bots.
 
@Ron But it makes the vampires feel welcome. I think the name is perfectly in line with the new policy.
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Ron
11:52 AM
Thanks in advice.
 
Ron
12:26 PM
Is this a del worthy material?
 
Sam
o/
 
o/
 
Ron
o/
Wrecks train and runs away.
 
Sam
>:(
 
Ron
12:28 PM
Oh come on, not like anyone else is in here ;)
 
@Ron it's not even closed
 
Ron
@Adriaan I suspect spam on that one.
Or not. Looks like an interview dump. And the subject requires reading a book just to begin answering.
 
Sam
@Ron Yeah, the ~30 other users in the room are totally bots.
 
Ron
@Sam Currently active, that is.
 
@Ron spam how? I'd just go for 'too broad' on that, since there're 5 questions
 
Ron
12:33 PM
@Adriaan Right you are. The avatar got me wondering.
 
@Ron shhh you will wake my gramp.
 
Ron
@Enzokie You should turn off the chime ;)
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
@Sam I'm currently watching 70 questions.
 
12:43 PM
Morning
 
'fternoon
 
Sam
o/
 
Morning :)
 
Yesame
 
1:13 PM
@rene: That meta question you pinged me on was re-opened...
 
yep
 
Iirc, you also have a discussion gold badge?
*hint* :P
 
I do
I'm not hammering it against the same dupe if that is what you're hinting at ...
 
Damnit :-/
 
lol
 
1:15 PM
Why not, if I may ask?
 
If it is re-opened by the community obviously they think it was the wrong call, in which case I go Zoek het uit
 
Ron
English please!
Kidding?
 
@Cerbrus Personally I would see that as abuse of power, a gold badge holder dupe hammering a question that was previously marked as duplicate to re-mark it as a duplicate after it had been reopened by the community
 
Ron
Tough crowd.
 
not wanting to pretend I know better then the community
 
1:17 PM
(The re-open was initiated by the OP, kinda biased)
@rene but you do :D
 
@Cerbrus agreed
 
@Ron we'll show you the door shortly ...
@Cerbrus sure, true and thanks
 
@NickA Meh, imo, the re-open voters are meta regulars that should know better.
Ah well
*Shrug*
 
Ron
@rene As long as you don't throw tomatoes. Stand up comedy is hard work.
 
@Cerbrus Not knowing the question you're commenting on I can just remark as if it is a close call, it may well be a blatant duplicate the community made a bad call on
 
1:19 PM
@Ron zoek het uit => search it out
 
Ron
@rene Is it safe for work?
 
@Ron depends where you search ....
 
@NickA It was yet another "My NAA flag got disputed"
 
@Cerbrus The answer in question (in its state at the time of flagging) looks like a very confused but attempted answer to me, certainly not NAA, I wouldn't have reopened the dupe
 
@NickA Yay, you're on my team :D
 
1:28 PM
Pfff
 
@Cerbrus I answered it, if for no other reason than to point him back to the stuff it should have been duped
 
Rude? (IDGAF)
 
@AlonEitan I'd agree
 
@Machavity Why didn't you close-vote it again then?
 
Thanks @NickA, removed
 
1:30 PM
@Cerbrus I'm not getting into a close war. Just give him another answer and move on
 
So, we'd rather lower our standards and reward a lack of research with an answer?
 
@AlonEitan I wouldn't in the case of all acronyms, but that one is fairly obvious
 
@Cerbrus I'm putting the Meh back into Meta
 
Sam
@Cerbrus At least we're welcoming now!
 
Well, if anything, I agree with the answer, @Machavity.
@Sam Let's not go there
 
Sam
1:33 PM
:p
 
@Cerbrus Don't worry, I'll throw my neck on the line and VTC ;p
 
Yay
 
So what's with that last SD alert? The link is for a SEO agency, but looks like an answer
Oh, Rob just deleted it
 
@AlonEitan Q is a dupe so I hammered it
 
1:47 PM
:( CV limit reached
 
2:03 PM
@Cerbrus Question was re-dupe-hammered
 
@NickA Yay
 
@Cerbrus You can thank Servy
 
I noticed
 
@Machavity let's all thank Servy
 
2:18 PM
@rene changes room name to Servy's Official Close Vote Reviewers
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2:53 PM
Do you think this is clear enough, I was tempted to post another comment explaining that the NAA queue is very strict and that even an answer as short as "You can't do that" or "Use the print function" can constitute an answer, no matter how bad it may be
 
dur
@StephenKennedy What do you mean by suggested duplicate? The other link is a meta question. BTW: This question wasn't active for more than 3 years (see FAQ ).
 
Seems fine to me, @NickA.
 
@Cerbrus Great, ta
 
@dur The meta link is part of my close reason. The question I cv-pls'd was the suggested duplicate target of the cv-pls immediately before that. My recollection is that being suggested as a duplicate counts as activity for a question, but will have to check the FAQ or with the ROs if you're disputing that :)
 
dur
@StephenKennedy Sorry, didn't get it and still don't get it. You want to close this, right? Or is that the dupe target? What is the other question, I can't see it. Maybe it is already removed from cv-pls list?
 
@dur Yes, that's the dupe target. The previous request must have been archived. One moment pls.
 
dur
@StephenKennedy Ok, I understand it. But now the dupe target has also some close votes. Do you want to close the dupe target, too?
 
@dur Yes
 
dur
@StephenKennedy Ok, thank you.
 
 
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@Machavity Reopened, which leaves 3 NLN comments
 
@StephenKennedy Added my flags and removed my comment
 
@Machavity Are NLN flags cumulative? i.e. does it help if I flag too?
 
@StephenKennedy I believe so. I've had NLN flags remove them at cast
 
@Machavity Some comments are zappable by a single flag (based on content), that much I know. Anyway, I shall flag.
 
NLN flags will auto delete if the comment fits a set of comments that SE has defined. If not then multiple flags will raise the flag up in the queue. That said, my understanding is mods will process comment flags in decent sized chunks since they only take a second or two to process and they stay on top of it.
 
 
5:35 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@StephenKennedy ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
@Machavity Any idea why the SD report doesn't disappear when I reply to it? c.f. the one you replied to was removed
 
@StephenKennedy Might have hit the 2 min limit
 
ah... that'll be it
 
5:56 PM
 
6:12 PM
Since when can 1 rep users post comments? Did I miss something?
On this question (stackoverflow.com/questions/50160513/…), a 1 rep user posted a comment (a helpful comment, though)
 
@AndrewMyers best guess: involved with sock puppets; all posts/votes in connection removed, and thus the rep's gone. 6 mins ago is an interesting coincident though
 
but the comment was only 5 minutes ago
it's possible of course but wow
> Member for 2 years, 7 months
 
Let's see... I may have refreshed the page before hovering to see how much rep they had, but I don't think I did
 
@AndrewMyers Maybe they received a downvote on one of their answers within the last five minutes?
 
I assumed that the rep amount would have been cached or something
 
6:17 PM
Forgot if commenting needs 5 or 15 rep.
 
huh, yeah
weird
 
@cybermonkey 15 is for flags
 
maybe suspended and the system hasn't yet caught up?
 
@cybermonkey but that sounds... like a big problem if the system is that slow
Ah, no, not suspended
Your upvote counted
The user now has 11 rep
 
6:36 PM
No problems
 
doh
of course
 
No idea how I forgot about that feature
 
thanks for clearing that up
 
@AndrewMyers Moderators can convert answers to comments; it could have happened that way
oh it was already answered
ignore me
 
6:52 PM
Can you mod-flag comments for vamp-like behavior?
 
@EJoshuaS You can mod flag for anything but you shouldn't mod flag for that
 
@EJoshuaS "obsolete" is an option maybe. But I don't think mod-flags are received well
 
help vampire is not breaking a specific rule, or at least not one so vehemently that mods need to get involved
 
I've only ever mod-flagged comments when someone admitted to having sock puppets
@TylerH It's ok to [del-pls] it here for ongoing help vampire behavior, though, right?
 
 
7:41 PM
@Eser It is the community consensus that just because a question is on topic at another SE website, that doesn't automatically make it off-topic for Stack Overflow. This in regards to Time Complexity Issues When Searching For A Duplicate and referencing the Meta question Does being on-topic at another Stack Exchange site automatically make a question off-topic for Stack Overflow?.
 
I don't think that person is pingable here
Unless you also invited them
 
@gunr2171 They're not in here yet, but I invited them to join us so we wouldn't muck up the comments on the question.
 
thumbs up
 
And I wanted to say my piece so that others in here would be on the same page, and I'm at work and there's no telling if I'd have to step away suddenly.
 
7:45 PM
I find it kind of frustrating that we have a clear community consensus (65 upvotes, no downvotes, an SE employee weighed in, and Servy himself wrote the accepted answer) and yet I'm told that 65 votes hardly represents a community consensus :(
 
but it's only a 2 digit number!
yeah, anything with more than a 50 point delta is a good indication of a community consensus
 
Not just a delta, the ratio is infinite!
65 to 0
 
Just an FYI for everyone (who cares): I'll be out of town from tomorrow night through to Thursday. I'll be in Seattle for Microsoft Build 2018.
Also known as a 5 day long meeting in another city.
 
@gunr2171 nice!
 
I'm really looking forward to going. It's going to be so cool.
 
7:50 PM
I went to Microsoft Ignite last year - it was indeed pretty cool.
 
This is my first Microsoft expo/event, so no idea what to expect.
 
Lots of windows :P
 
@gunr2171 lots of food / snacks / soda
 
so
i said i'd bake something yesterday
I baked it.
It was pretty good. I call it the chestburster because apparently mine looked like a chest being bursted after I cut it, with the blackberry jam leaking out of it
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Have fun!
 
8:03 PM
thanks!
Though not thrilled about being at the bus stop at 3:30am on Saturday to then take a 6 hour flight.
(non-stop)
 
@gunr2171 Spirit or Southwest?
 
Alaska
 
@gunr2171 Orite - don't know about them. Hope you get there without too much hassle and that your hotel is.. well.. at least not totally bad:)
 
thanks! I'm in one of the mid-higher end hotels, middle of downtown and two blocks from the convention center.
so it should be fine
basically two blocks from all forms of transportation and the event
 
@gunr2171 Two blocks - great! You can just walk, no taxi etc hassle.
 
8:12 PM
exactly. Taking the train to and from the airport as well.
 
@gunr2171 Even better:)
Wow! That was quick - I went straight there and the thing already deleted:)
 
Is this trolling?
@MartinJames Yeah, had an even better effect than I was expecting. Quick handling of an obvious troll.
 
@EJoshuaS There seems to be details missing, eg. most of the words. I delved it anyway.
 
@EJoshuaS Don't think so, they probably tried to bump it to the homepage
RO can you please trash this cv-pls? OP added MCVE
 
done and done
 
8:23 PM
Thanks :)
 
and with that I'm out for today
 
8:35 PM
Still unclear
 
Is there a Chrome extension that makes it easier to automatically report a question/answer to SOCVR?
 
@mason Sure - *-pls Request Generator
 
Thanks, I've been manually reporting things like a cave troll.
 
@FireAlarm This looks utterly suspicious. Is curlftpfs a programming related tool, or just general computing?
It seems to be a file system. Yet a high rep user created a tag for it and is tagging multiple old and new bad/off-topic questions with it.
 
9:05 PM
Now it's another high-rep user tagging old questions with . I'm not sure what to do in these circumstances...
 
@EJoshuaS eh, I will toss that to someone like @Makyen to answer - if it's a post that is close-worthy and of little to no value then I don't see why not. Otherwise if it's a comment then just flag it as rude, no longer needed, or for mod attention as appropriate
Someone just asking a lot of questions (e.g. a help vampire) is not inherently behaving in an off-topic or rule-breaking manner... the system even limits how many questions you can ask in a certain time period to prevent that
 
@EJoshuaS Basically, what @TylerH said. Without specifics, it doesn't sound like a del-pls is appropriate. It sounds more like you're asking if we can del-pls as retaliation for what they are asking in comments, which wouldn't be appropriate. If they are modifying their question, after they get answers, to ask new questions, then you should rollback. When I rollback for that reason, I usually leave a comment which explains policy. If they are doing it repeatedly, then you should mod-flag.
 
10:07 PM
socvr.org and other related services will be down very soon for about 1 hour so the wires around the server can get re-done.
 
10:25 PM
> This fixes a rare multithreaded exception when creating new states by... not creating new states. All of the data we use in the state machine is stored in the agent so we can share states between agents.
That commit message was confusingly funny
 
Sam
10:36 PM
@Makyen Are you having issues connecting to rocket chat?
 
Sam
oh
Yeah, I totally missed that message :D
 
np. We all do that from time to time. :-)
 

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