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12:04 AM
@E_net4 I'm SO tempted to add "why not?" as an answer to that.
 
@EJoshuaS It's yet another confused user thinking that SO is a machine learning search bar.
It also frightens me to see some users so eager to answer these.
 
12:45 AM
@E_net4 Frightening … indeed. But unfortunately not surprising. See facebook, twitter, etc.
 
1:03 AM
@Olaf After what happened at the Eurovision Song Contest, I am negatively surprised by nothing.
 
@E_net4 I have no idea what happend. Even when I watched TV many years ago that was on my mental blacklist.
 
1:23 AM
@Olaf I didn't pay much attention to it either until last year, when Portugal won. This year however, was an utter disappointment. I guess you do well by avoiding it.
 
@E_net4 I do much better by avoiding all that crap on TV. Does not mean I don't watch series, though;-)
 
1:39 AM
@Enzokie Just edited with code. Might be MCVE now
 
2:08 AM
@Machavity Yeah it is enough now.
Any online RO pls. isolate my cv earlier since it was edited .
 
Thanks Makyen
 
@Enzokie np. Anytime
@gparyani When searching for both of these on Google, I did get the dup-target as the first in one search and the second result in the other.
@gparyani Asking for up-votes or down-votes isn't permitted. I understand your concern, but SOCVR doesn't permit asking for up-/down-votes.
@gparyani I can understand your desire to see this undeleted. However, just so that you know, SOCVR doesn't permit people making requests about posts in which they have an interest (i.e. that you've asked or answered, or for edits which you've made). Please see #15 in the FAQ.
 
 
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@Yam alive
 
Yam
@quartata Let me think about that for a moment...
 
5:45 AM
 
 
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unclear, edited to ask more stuff after receiving an answer stackoverflow.com/questions/14126810/…
Lol, I just did an image search to understand what was the meaning of SmokeDetector reason "Luncheon meat detected", and I immediately got the point.
 
9:58 AM
@Cœur It was a 'forbidden topic' a few weeks ago as there was an active spam/abuse campaign at the time... I gather the 'luncheon meat' check is looking for matches to that particular pattern of abuse. The posts always ended with a unique sequence of garbage characters.
 
Sam
10:22 AM
@Yam stats
 
Yam
@Sam I'm currently watching 664 questions.
 
Sam
10:42 AM
@StephenKennedy And still somewhat is a forbidden topic. The user is always watching chat, even if there's not an attack ongoing.
 
@Sam OK sorry about that. Please feel free to trash my message.
 
Sam
@StephenKennedy np, I'll leave it for. People will inevitably ask about that reason. cough even though we don't need it enabled here cough
 
Sam
11:37 AM
 
 
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2:01 PM
@Sam @StephenKennedy Not sure what happened during the spam campaign, but even if a user isn't watching chat, they can see the history/logs later.
 
Plop everyone
 
plop Paul
 
Sam
@Cœur You mean the room's transcript?
@PaulStenne Plop!
 
@Sam yes
 
Sam
Right. Yeah, we know. Which is why we prefer no messages to be posted about the matter in the first place.
 
2:06 PM
I now see a blue digit with flags on my avatar... I don't know the difference between "valid" and "invalid" ... For instance, if something uses curse words, should I answer "invalid" (comment) or should I answer "valid" (flag)?
 
@Cœur That's chat flags only available to 10k users. Their effects.
 
First time I notice
 
afternoon
soz for the first link
o\ @PaulStenne
 
I don't see how homework is a problem. If it's a dupe,
 
Hey Andy and Coeur
 
2:11 PM
@AndyK Yes it's a dupe.
@AndyK OP has an example input/output. Ofc they can't include code because they don't know how to.
I think this one is no worse than its dupe target except its' a dupe.
 
@user202729 it is not worse but it is no better , either
 
Oh... {@}rene if I discuss something (in response to a comment there) about a question that already had a cv-pls request in this room is that OK?
 
{@}user202729 why the curly braces?
 
@Cœur Avoid pinging. If they (or some RO) read that then they would probably reply, if not then it nobody notice anyway.
@AndyK Again, I don't think that such questions need a MCVE. MCVE are necessary only for "debug questions". The input/output example can be considered a MCVE in this case.
 
@user202729 SO has rules. We try to interpret them the best we can but I don't think your interpretation is correct
 
2:19 PM
From the MCVE page:
> When asking a question about a problem caused by your code
 
if one day, the community says an mcve is not needed, then by all means, we don't need them
 
In this case the problem is not caused by OP's code.
 
@user202729 of course, there is no code
 
Yes, if OP's question is a <code,input,current output,expected output> tuple, then code must be a MCVE. Not in this case.
 
@user202729 the aim is that OP produces something
 
2:21 PM
@AndyK I agree with user202729 that we don't need code if we can define the expected output.
 
we all want some output if we are raising
a question
but is it a free ride?
@Cœur I understand your point of view
 
@StephenKennedy regarding your suggested edit on tag Xcode: I disagree to remove the version information from the tag info. See for instance the answer to this closed question: it gets edited every two weeks for the past 6 years. I prefer to have the information in the tag itself instead of being updated on an off-topic question.
 
@Cœur afk for 30 mins or so. let's discuss then
 
@Cœur output -> behavior?
 
@user202729 yes
 
2:44 PM
@AndyK Also read this. You're asking for problem solving effort. | Although OP iss fortunate that in this case the question is (1) not too broad and (2) easy to formulate clearly.
 
3:05 PM
-- I guess it will roomba, but let me quote this one: "_So what started as a question, is now an answer.".
 
@user202729 thank you for your answer.
 
@Cœur Looks like OP doesn't know how to post a self-answer...?
 
@Cœur Ultimately this is going to be subjective as the guidance for tag wikis is pitiful. I see you already rejected and I'm fine with that. My thoughts are that a tag wiki should include a basic overview of the technology, guidance on using the tag, links to relevant resources, and any info which can help prevent people posting poor questions. ...
To my mind dates and version numbers don't help with any of those goals - users can or surely would expect to click through to the product's homepage to get that info. My other (perhaps main) objection is that keeping this stuff up to date adds trivial edits to the review queue.
 
He earned 3 points in 5 years... oh my...
 
Tag wiki editing is a 20k priveledge (!), and a lot of reviewers won't touch tag wikis. The result is that it often takes over 24 hours to get a tag wiki edit approved. Removing the info altogether solves that 'problem'.
 
3:09 PM
@Cœur Then what? Some people just don't want to post a lot of questions and answers.
 
@AndyK, @user202729 A mcve is only required for debugging requests. However, for such homework questions additional requirements apply. They typically have to show their effort so far, why/how it failed and psossible restrictions (I could imagine regular expressions as in the answer are not allowed). This one should have been closed as too broad imo, not as a dupe (resp. the dupe should be closed as such, too). Both questions are of no practical use,
 
@StephenKennedy Correct about the slowness of tag wiki edits. Correct about some tags may stop being up-to-date (but unlikely to happen to this tag).
 
@Cœur The popularity of the tag is one thing I failed to take into account
 
But I feel that knowing which version is the latest for my IDE is as important as knowing there is a Python 2 and a Python 3. I don't want to redirect people to figure this out.
 
Fair enough.
 
3:17 PM
@StephenKennedy Huh? I'm very certain I could edit the tag even with <10k.
 
@Olaf Well, the answer get ~10 upvotes but ... uh ... I don't know, votes don't say much, unfortunately. / At least someone said that it's at the top of search result, probably it can be useful to someone.
 
@user202729 "Eat sh** millions of flies can't be wrong"5 ;-}
 
@Olaf AFAIK: 0 rep needed to edit. 20k to edit without review. I have 6k rep but still need review of my tag wiki suggestions - hence the discussion - and still get +2 for an edit.
 
@Olaf (what are you talking about?)
 
@StephenKennedy It still is an edit.
 
3:19 PM
@StephenKennedy 1.
 
@StephenKennedy You said it without restrictions, which I corrected.
 
4:10 PM
@Cœur We normally don't handle old posts unless there was recent activity. If so, please state it (see NATO)
 
4:28 PM
@Olaf I wrote "old". And I could create activity by rollingback the last edit, but that would be a useless bump if we're going to close it anyway.
 
@Cœur Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown was 4 years, 10 months ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
 
@Cœur I addition, roll backs are edits, so #15 FAQ would apply.
 
4:48 PM
@Makyen I understand. I used [cv-pls] today to attract a bit of attention on a small number of posts as my regular close votes are almost always expiring. And in the present case, as stated previously, I wanted to avoid unnecessary post bumping.
If you can forgive me, here is a little joke: for WWDC18, Apple will announce an iPhone with the size of iPhone SE and the fullscreen of iPhone X. Leaked documents show it will be the iPhone SE X.
 
I don't think we can forgive that :P
 
By the way, socvr.org is probably a low traffic website. Then why is it blocked for users in China?
 
5:06 PM
@Cœur is the TLD maybe blocked? I'm not sure but I believe it is on a dynamic IP which might make it suspicious?
@Cœur the nameserver for socvr.org seems to be googledomains.com where I believe everything google is a no go
 
I can offer dreamhost dns, if that is any better
 
I saw dreamhost mentioned in the whois so I'm not sure. If anything this needs to be discussed with @gunr2171 and then it is to be seen if anything can be done about it as that server is used moar broadly and not only by him.
hides
 
oh hi
 
exits (really. back later.)
 
\o
 
5:13 PM
reading
 
Now @gunr2171 has to reveal that server is the center of the grand master plan to take over the world
 
socvr.org's registrar is DreamHost. The DNS provider is Google Cloud DNS. It's using my apartment's IP address, which is "hard coded" (I'm not assigned an IP address, it just changes ever 3 or so months).
I really would have no idea how china's firewall works with what sort of things it picks up on for blocking
 
The Google Cloud DNS is probably the culprit
I would think entering the IP address in your own host file should work (for 3 months that is) in China
 
@StephenKennedy I used the built-in dns for a while, switch to Google because it offered way more flexibility, like the ability to add TTL values.
@Cœur ^
 
5:30 PM
^self-deleted apparently
@gunr2171 thank you for the details. Well, I didn't verify, but there are probably too few Chinese on socvr to worry about socvr.org being on google cloud dns
 
yeah, sorry about that
 
Plop gunr
 
plop
 
I'm on Gandi personally, but I know nothing about hosting specificities, so I can't tell if it's good or not.
@gunr2171, when user adds "blablabla" it's because they are attempting to workaround Stack Overflow checks. So I wouldn't help them by removing the blablabla, and instead I would close the post until they ask their question properly.
 
good point, sorry.
still sleepy it sems
@Mulliganaceous no
This room does not solicitation asking for down votes on posts, for any reason
 
5:41 PM
Weird, why would he ask to downvote his own posts? Account hacked?
 
shrug
 
nope. It is to be closed anyways
It got eight downvotes
 
well, first, the link you provided is to your profile, not an answer. Second, if you wrote the answer you can delete it.
 
@gunr2171 actually, he's referring to a question, not an answer.
 
I'm so confused. Where are these "8 downvotes"?
is this a 10k thing?
 
5:47 PM
 
oh, meta
yeah, no one (should) cares about downvotes on meta
 
\o
 
o/
 
6:04 PM
Well, good night all.
 
@gunr2171 Tried CloudFlare? They intermediate cache for free so even if the site goes down they serve cache
 
@halfer your first link (excel stuff) got closed as Too Broad but was actually a duplicate.
 
@Cœur Good spot, thanks
 
@Machavity yeah, sounds like a fine idea. I've got a bunch of projects going on at home so no idea when I can get to that one.
 
@Cœur Out of interest, do you know if a question can have suggested dup links edited into it even if it is not closed as a dup?
I suspect it needs someone of sufficient rep to do so.
 
6:07 PM
I came across these three questions (via the same answer). Neither has an accepted answer. The one that have the more answers and the most upvoted is also more downvoted. Could they be still duplicates? stackoverflow.com/q/40184719/5468463, stackoverflow.com/q/45520121/5468463https://stackoverflow.com/q/…
 
multilined chat messages break markdown, fyi
 
I am trying :)
 
no, you're typing
I'll show myself out now
 
@gunr2171 Would be a DNS change and that's it
 
:-)
 
6:09 PM
Speaking of Meta voting... saw this in Tavern
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, May 10 at 14:20, by Tim Post
This whole "voting on meta works differently" hasn't held up at scale very well. I think we need to be a little more specific about how it should be different, and maybe think about being more deliberate about what we want to express, which means maybe looking at a voting system on meta that goes beyond the up / no vote / down schema that we have.
 
@Vega: your last two links are still merged in your message here :-)
 
replace up/downvotes on meta with unicorns and error-cats?
 
@gunr2171: waffle button FTW
2
 
^ YES
 
I cannot edit, sorry. Will try to type again
 
6:10 PM
@Vega ok
 
If you want Vega, feel free to use the Testing Grounds for markdown formatting testing
 
(In general, if you have subject knowledge of the questions, and you feel they are dups, go ahead and vote. However, if you are asking the opinion of the room before voting, that's cool as well)
@Vega Oh yes, I'd say they were dups, and I'm not an Excel user.
Pick a canonical and dup the others.
 
@halfer Thank you.
@gunr2171 Thank you, I will try that too :)
 
\o/
 
6:16 PM
@Vega: (at least) one of those questions has attracted a newly registered spammer offering unlocking software on a Google Drive, probably a virus. I'll flag three of those answers as dups, and put warnings on each.
(I'm hesitant to link the user's profile, as we don't like focussing on users too much - we're very anti lynch-mob here)
 
Ah, I flagged the answers as NAA only
 
Oh great @Vega, thanks. I've added comments under each one just in case.
Hopefully no readers are daft enough to run that software, but... :-)
@Vega I'll not report those as dups in that case, your NAA should do it.
 
@SmokeDetector "you need to go google official page" followed by certainly-not-official link. spam?
 
Same link as in profile
also, no reason to say "go to official site" then give them a blogpost
 
indeed
I guess we should close the q too
 
6:26 PM
"we're not customer support"?
 
it's that or off-site resource isn't it. hmm...
you're the RO, you can decide :)
 
I think customer support is appropriate.
"someone here might know how to use the developer tools, but that's something we can't update knowledge when google changes up their format."
 
@halfer I close voted two of the questions as dups of the third. Do you mean that NAA flags on the answers will trigger actions on the questions, too? I hope I didn't do something incorrect
 
@Vega No, I think your actions were fine. In fact your suggestion of NAA on the answers was better than my suggestion of reporting three answers as a dup of the fourth.
I'd forgotten that link-only is a reason to report as NAA.
(Dunno why, I've reported a lot of NAA recently!)
 
6:43 PM
afk mother's day
 
Hey, where can I get the reviewer user-script, that has predefined comments eg. "Code only answer", "How to ask" etc. etc.
 
1st link is just auto comments. 2nd is advanced flagging for use with SOBotics. You probably want the 1st link.
 
@StephenKennedy wtf so many essay type answers on a typo question!!! it's just a comma thingy
 
7:02 PM
SHOUTY SHOUTY
 
@StephenKennedy Thanks it's awesome :)
 
@MunimMunna You can see the raw messages on the repo here: raw.githubusercontent.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/auto-comments/…
There's one for answers too, I believe.
 
I think those are different comments, so I wonder if there is another script?
ah > "The comments are in a raw format so you can copy&paste them into the "import/export" window."
 
7:30 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/50319530/… can someone figure out if it's a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/23420783 ? (not the voted dupe, the dupe proposed in comments)
I just don't want to blindly hammer, the answers are really different, and the questions too, related, though
 
8:02 PM
(already used my CV damn!)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Rubbish, no use to keep.
 
o/ night all
 
8:26 PM
@Olaf I wish I used my CV to dupehammer...
I'll take it to the python room.
@Olaf (ironically the code itself is good, probably lifted from somewhere else)
 
@Olaf thanks for your thoughtful answer. I was talking with @user202729 and we disagree on how to close it. But as you said, too broad should have been ok. Anywayn thanks guys for closing the question. Cheers and g'night
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre What's good about such code? If the program has to be restarted, that's an OS thing. Ort simply use a loop. As listed, it is an XY problem due to bad&broken code design, most likely with global variables sprinkled everywhere.
 
it's good because it terminates the handles before starting another one. But never mind. Question is bad (one answer is good, though)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That would also be true when he deleted all file objects. One pythonic way (i.e. which does not use OS facilities and is also much more flexible) is to register all objects which need release e.g. in a central list/repository. That one is more like "well, he failed painting the wall, but at least he cleaned the brush".
 
8:41 PM
@Olaf there are probably better ways to do that, yes.
 
8:58 PM
It wouldn't be a real day without a tabs/spaces pythonic screwup.
 
 
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