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If someone likes to say something here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/376226/…
 
@FrankerZ I saw your comment too :)
 
 
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7:15 AM
@MadhurBhaiya already reported ^
 
I realized later.
 
8:01 AM
@SmokeDetector That's a very old question. Why does it come up now?
 
@Mast because an answer was added and then deleted stackoverflow.com/posts/47720687/timeline
 
@tripleee Right. Doesn't show up on the timeline for a <10k user.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 16 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (93): Visual Studio Online - DevOps by chandu chinnu on stackoverflow.com
 
@tripleee Oh, that MS link comes in handy. Thanks.
Shows what answer it's about.
 
9:15 AM
No MCVE / Give me the code stackoverflow.com/q/53151267/2469308
 
9:39 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ a meta post, chat events, boilerplate comments you can leave under relevant meta posts (when they happen, so don't go commenting back to the future), write relevant meta answers where you mention the room, add a link to it in your about me, keep the room alive with either discussion or relevant meta posts. See how this room struggled in its early 6 to 8 weeks./months.
 
9:54 AM
Op is refusing to put in any effort. I have been sensibly, stoically urging the OP to post ANY coding attempt and I will reveal my solution. He is only being rude now. stackoverflow.com/q/53141420/2943403 Too Broad
Just wants "gives me the codez"
 
flagged his comments
 
Nothing actually rude in the words, just the sentiment.
 
Well he has become defensive due to ego
 
I think it is important to groom new users so that they don't adopt a pattern of misuse of this community. I don't think I am asking too much. I only asked for a coding attempt. It is a shame it has turned sour. I'm trying to do the right thing for the community.
 
hello
 
Zoe
10:05 AM
o/
 
@YvetteColomb hey. Are you checking other posts of that user who is copy pasting his android permissions answers? There is at least 1 more
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns can you flag it? I'm responding to flags. I've handled a lot of flags since then and would have trouble finding it. Or a link to the post?
 
OK 2 flags. One was just copy paste from another answer
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns thanks. I'll have a look
 
morning all o/
 
10:25 AM
@rene Thanks for your suggestions. It seems the CV protocol is that well established now over the SE network meanwhile, that people are likely willing to adopt it. Also thanks to @Makyen for clarifications made in the new room.
 
10:50 AM
@MadhurBhaiya No hammer was needed, 5 votes did the trick.
 
"By our five powers combined, we are able to summon Captain Spammit!"
5
 
11:35 AM
^ Probably trolling.
 
11:47 AM
 
12:17 PM
:44478110 @MichaelDodd Should that be re-raised as too broad?
 
@Mast By all means yes, I did vote to close it
 
:-)
 
It just wasn't red-flag worthy
 
Oh, completely, but I wondered if there was a reason it wasn't mentioned yet as TB.
I've taken an increased interest in how/why this room works now we're trying to get something similar running on Code Review. So, don't mind me bugging you lot.
 
crumpets
 
12:22 PM
Oppps sorry I don't see that. Mistake.
 
@Shree no worries
 
12:45 PM
@mickmackusa Not really, in my opinion. It's now a code dump. Not a word on what the problem is.
Paraphrasing, "I wrote this code but it doesn't work." IMHO, this doesn't merit reopening, nor answering.
 
@shellter you want square brackets
 
dang and doah!
It
 
1:00 PM
while I have your attention, maybe check out chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/98569?m=44266789 (couple weeks old but nothing has changed)
 
@mickmackusa You have an answer posted in that question, which means there's a conflict of interest there.
 
1:28 PM
Morning
 
Plop
 
My apologies Machavity, you are right. I was distracted with the back-and-forth with that user to show some effort that I forgot the rule. Won't happen again.
 
@NathanOliver Morning
 
o/
 
2:45 PM
@Jean-FrançoisCorbett I had to plead and plead to get this new user to post a coding attempt. Is it a perfect question? Well, how many new users do you know that post a "perfect" question. This was a major triumph because the OP went from be grumpy and combative to cooperative after he saw that there is some benefit to trying to form a complete question.
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2:55 PM
@Jean-FrançoisCorbett Agreeing with @mickmackusa on this one, I understand the question, have enough information to see what user's current attempt does and what the expected output is. Only thing missing is current behaviour, but that can easily be determined by running the supplied code
And given the history of the question, it's a bit of a miracle that it's in this current state
 
@mickmackusa I would advise not to post comments such as the one you made a minute ago. I usually flag them as NLN, but I'm out of flags.
 
And this is why I like the HNQ:
> Corpses that don't breathe on camera get more work than those who do.
 
3:11 PM
HNQ ?
 
Hot sexy Network Questions
 
Hot Network Questions
 
:P @PaulStenne no need s*** i understand :)
 
What is NLN?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Can you remove this Q as a dupe target of this one? Want to delete the former
 
3:12 PM
No longer needed how add s*** just like Paul :D
 
I was responding to Jean's earlier comment.
This is a chat room, right? I've seen far less relevant banter here.
 
I don't remember last time I had waffles.
 
Banter is fine (within reason). I usually flag them as NLN == I usually flag them as No Longer Needed
 
@Machavity Done and delete vote casted.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Thanks. Del voted the first one too
 
3:30 PM
@EJoshuaS that doesn't look very much like refusal to me.
 
@TemaniAfif Might want to add an MCVE, e.g. include a browser version where it doesn't work (old IE is always a good bet). In Chrome, the snippet just works, so it's still closeworthy as no MCVE -> not reproducible with the provided info
 
Also, no real rush to open it as it already has a good answer
 
@ErikvonAsmuth it's not browser specific, as you can see in the answer, this is an expected behavior and well explained in the specification. If a browser fails then it's too old or it's not implementing the spec and in this case it should be considered as a bug.
 
3:52 PM
@TemaniAfif So, in essence, the question is: why doesn't this work, and the answer is, it should just work on a standards compliant browser? Anyway, reopen vote cast.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth no the question is: why it does work (as intuitively it shouldn't work) and the answer is explaining why it's working according to spec and standards. Edited the question again to make it clear
 
Thanks, that edit helps, seems obvious to me that a button is an inline-block by default and the width property should work, but it's still a valid question I guess
 
4:07 PM
@ErikvonAsmuth the most intresting part in the anwser is that even if you set display:inline it will be ignored (stackoverflow.com/questions/53157085/…) the inline-block is also obvious to me if we check the default style and it's not easy to dig into the spec to find the information.
 
4:40 PM
@TemaniAfif Eh, I won't argue against it getting re-opened but it should definitely be downvoted as no-research-effort IMO. Inspecting an element should be something you learn on day 1 for HTML/CSS.
 
 
5:35 PM
@jww Please don't do active recruitment like you did on that cv-pls. Messages like that are consider spam.
 
jww
@Nathan - Not sure what you mean.
 
we don't want those kind of comments where you pull users into SOCVR. They lead to flags and trouble. Users either find us naturally or not.
 
your comment can be considered as spam. We don't do recruitment on main.
 
@NathanOliver recruitment
 
jww
@Nathan - Policy citation please.
 
5:38 PM
Especially with this wording
"There is SOCVR, in case you need a place where you can spend your CVs" would not have sounded like an obligation
 
@jww here is the only allowed invitation socvr.org/faq#can-i-invite-users-here where that is limited to the OP of the question.
 
and Robert is here already
 
Noise!
 
jww
I've changed the word from "recruited" to "invited". I hope that satisfies everyone.
 
"welcome to join"
 
Zoe
5:42 PM
@jww if someone calls you and says "You've been invited to try <product>", wouldn't you consider it spam too?
 
An invited is you.
 
@jww we have had users suspended for doing that kind of recruitment/invitations. I'm only warning you to prevent that from happening. I don't want to be that room that gets all its regulars suspended once in a while.
 
@rene Do you happen to have a transcript link handy?
 
No
 
jww
5:48 PM
@Zoe - If it is off-site, like to experts-exchange, then I would probably consider it spam. If it is a Stack Overflow site feature then I would not consider it it spam.
 
Zoe
@jww It's technically not a SO site feature. And it's still technically spam
 
jww
@Zoe - I don't know if you are being argumentative or disingenuous but I'm disengaging now.
 
@MadhurBhaiya meh, under 20 messages is not escalation we can do better ...
 
Zoe
@jww For comparison: have you ever used Discord? Basically, it contains a bunch of user-created chat areas. Yet, it's still considered spam if anyone goes around blatantly advertising their server on another server. Equivalently, it is still technically spam if you post comments like the ones you did, even if the link is a SO chatroom.
 
5:55 PM
@MadhurBhaiya Meh, missed the hint ...
 
@rene Maybe if you allowed topical oneboxes to be posted in chat...
 
yes, if only ...
 
Really, you should
 
Well, that SD report isn't plagiarism at least...
My home-time is now at the mercy of the build server...
Plus I've got to visit the DIY store on the way home too...
dinner might be a bit late for me. But hey, fireworks and sparklers at least
 
12847 errors ...
 
6:10 PM
Build failed: Artifactory returned 500 error
 
Though now I'm actually worried I'll jinx myself...
 
6:25 PM
@RiggsFolly Bad dupe IMO, question should have been left to close
(I know you didn't hammer it, but just saying)
Build finally done, nn all
 
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@NathanOliver My head ^ is bigger than yours :p
 
no, your head is missing. you have zero heads
 
:D
 
6:54 PM
@MadhurBhaiya Nah, It's "guess what is the code and give it to me".
 
@NathanOliver This seems unclear to me, actually; what does "current moderation activity" mean?
 
Whatever moderation activity is going on. Could be closure, deletion, editing, flagging
 
Nando's Vusa sauce is still irreparably hot.
 
@NathanOliver My question is what does "current" mean
 
current == What is happening now
 
I guess I'm just confused as to how it will actually apply; I'm missing the context of what prompted this addition
 
@TylerH well, even if we can easily find that a button is by default inline-block we can see the question as "why it's inline-block" and "why button are so special" and the answer of Oriol is very intresting so I would upvote the question only for that good answer.
 
7:27 PM
Followups sans context: does yesterday count as current? what about last week? what if a question gets closed and then reopened; can we invite someone to discuss the closure even though it's not the most recent completed moderation action?
 
"Are you currently working with another person to moderate a post?"
if yes, great
I really don't see how you can overthink this
 
@TylerH These are interractions with the OP about their post. AFAIK they are still allowed. Just no soliciting for new members.
 
@gunr2171 See my last message for 3 pretty basic examples of "overthinking" (though that phrasing is a bit rude)
 
Acceptable "If you have questions about this [action], we can discuss in SOCVR"
Unacceptable "Hey, you like closing things! Come join us in SOCVR!"
 
7:32 PM
^ that's the main point of it all
 
So someone was going around recently inviting people to join the room just to close specific questions/questions in general
 
THIS IS WHY YOU ALWAYS DIRECT REPLY!!!
 
@Machavity I guess that raises a slightly related question: can SOCVR ever do membership drives? I have mentioned SOCVR in several answers on meta; the first few responses to my initial question didn't indicate it was an issue, but your "Unacceptable" line pretty clearly says that's not OK IMO
 
AGGRESSIVELY BEATS THE SMOKEY WITH SCRATCHING POLE
 
7:34 PM
@MadhurBhaiya That's not what a typo is
 
@Compass Just don't damage your fashion sense
 
@TylerH If it is naturally part of your answer to direct people to SOCVR as a resource, that's fine. Active recruitment is not. It's considered spam.
 
@NathanOliver Thanks
 
Is this POB / Too Broad or nothing : stackoverflow.com/q/53160727/2469308
 
7:38 PM
PSA: We have clarified the rules about inviting users to the room. As part of that we have added the following bullet point to the FAQ: Do not make unsolicited invitations on SO for users to join SOCVR in order to moderate other posts. You should only invite people into the room to discuss the moderation activity of the post.
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@TylerH Policy updated
 
this room is still open join right?
like, if you want to join, you can join
 
Yep
Everyone can enter, although with the hotel California policy in place no one can leave.
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crawls underneath the sofa and hides
 
@Compass yep, as long as your not a cat. We actively discriminate against them.
 
Cats are evil. Cats eat spiders.
 
7:42 PM
Cats are evil. Cats -> Hairballs
 
Some of these SO Job Listings are weird. "Holidays" is listed as a benefit. I get why they may not exist, i.e. if you are in a critical role, but...
 
Well, here in the good ol US of A paid holidays is a benefit. They are not required to be to offered.
 
I had no idea o.o
 
@Machavity FYI you were (almost surely) referenced here by πάνταῥεῖ meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/376226/… :-) for your knowledge of PHP question quality
 
8:02 PM
Yeah, PHP is a perpetual sewer of questions because it's got a low barrier to entry and everyone thinks "Wordpress looks easy"
 
Somehow when I see "Wordpress" I think "WordPerfect" and then press F7 to exit it ...
 
Maybe some of you also participate at the SE Code Review site. I've started a new room similar to the SOCVR there: SE Code Review Close Questions room since it seems to be need-/useful to improve quality of the site. Any participations are welcome there.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't know.... that sounds like we'll have to sue for trademark infringement...
 
@gunr2171 LOL not really, I am pretty sure we'll need to make adaptions fitting better for the SE Code Reciew.
 
8:18 PM
SE Code Review Post Reviewers
 
@gunr2171 Should we have a meeting about that topic?
 
uh, yes, duh
who do you think I am?!?!
 
@gunr2171 A restless rabbit rushing from meeting to meeting :)
 
@gunr2171 Well, we had a meeting to let you know you're an inspiration to us all
 
: )
 
8:48 PM
!!/amicodeprivileged
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs ✓ You are a code-privileged user.
 
Lol - code priv but not normal priv xD
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs what did you PR?
 
@rene ?? I only PR'd the priv for this room, and Art merged it but still not priv. Was just checking
 
is smokey rebooted after the PR was merged?
 
8:57 PM
prob just need a !!/pull
No
 
ah, that might be needed then
the room.yml is not read dynamically IIRC
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
\o/
 
9:01 PM
\o/
 
/o\
Help, I'm trapped in a mirror
 
mirror mirror on the wall, please release the close voter you have trapped before I smash you to pieces
 
And who says we can't be polite :-)
No seriously, someone said we are not polite. This is the Spanish Inquisition. Fess up!
 
 
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@TylerH I wasn't expecting that.
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