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3:56 AM
@Luuklag questions like that should not be migrated anyway
 
 
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5:27 AM
@tripleee, I didn't mean to migrate such question. Just pointing out that that would ve the propper place to ask, over SU. Used a custom off-topic reason there.
 
5:39 AM
@Luuklag not sure which question we are discussing anymore, but my impression is that the general-computing close reason should be acceptable even if SF / Unix / Ask Ubuntu / Ask Different etc might superficially be better targets, based on how Meta responds to requests to give more fine-grained control on migration targets and close reasons
 
6:32 AM
Hey guys
I accidentally gave a +50 bounty to the wrong person
Is there a way for a mod to fix it?
 
@Pherdindy I don't think so. You could ask on meta or modflag the question to be sure
 
@Adriaan how to modflag the question?
 
@Pherdindy flag the question, then "in need of moderator intervention" fill out the box with whatever you want to tell the mods
 
@Adriaan right thanks found it.
 
7:09 AM
\o/ protected my first question... maybe overkill but I need to test that :)
 
@Makyen your are closing in on 20K...
 
Yep, getting close. Soon, I'll be able to delete-vote answers and questions immediately (assuming score <-2). I should have been pushing towards it by answering questions, but I've been coasting along wrt. rep for a while.
 
Morning \o
 
7:21 AM
o/
 
o/
 
7:47 AM
Guys, any advice on this question. Should it be removed, or just remove stackoverflow.com/questions/50925844/how-to-speed-up-vba-macro The question is a simple code review, but the answers are quiet good.
 
wordpress - Potentially bad question no kidding
 
@StephenKennedy Pleonasm? ;)
 
@Vega Had to look that word up but yes, "wordpress alert!" would suffice :)
 
jww
My node js deployed app defaults to 3000 despite using process.env.PORT is actually an Unable to Reproduce. The OP answered his own question.
 
(That's from 2010.. So, very old, but very much too broad.)
 
8:46 AM
morning all
 
@SmokeDetector still up, should probably be flagged as rude or delete-flagged
 
waffles
 
o/
 
9:54 AM
@SmokeDetector question would benefit from a better choice in music
 
@SmokeDetector ^ I agree, please keep Jose Mourinho in, it's good comedy for the other 19 clubs in the league :D
 
@SmokeDetector is that a sock puppet? Exact same name as OP, different gravatar
 
Cancel that
Troll probably changed his name to match OP
 
@MichaelDodd Both accounts were made within last half hour though
 
@NickA Maybe, main account is listed as living in UK so that makes the Mourinho post viable too
yeah I'll modflag to be on the safe side then
 
10:00 AM
isn't the troll unregistered?
 
@StephenKennedy Yes
How long do re-open votes take to expire?
 
I've altered my modflag to say I'm unsure if it's an alt-account or a troll poking fun at that particular OP
 
@PetterFriberg I know I could've checked, but sometimes it's faster if somebody already knows the answer ;p
 
10:07 AM
Yeah, got to that one from your first link, so answer appears to be 4 days from the latest vote
 
That just means i have to keep an eye on a question for at least 4 days D:
 
@NickA not sure if always latest vote, if review gets 3 leave closed... the aging starts (hence I'm not sure what actually happens if another person votes reopen after 2 days, I would guess the first reopen vote will expire after 2 days)
 
@PetterFriberg "unless of course someone casts another close/reopen vote in which case the expiration timer resets to 4 days."
 
Is this answer something else than NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/52737711/5468463
 
10:13 AM
@Vega I would say just NAA (although a bit ranty)
 
@Vega I think it answers the question, albeit with a lot of waffles - but is the question on topic?
 
@StephenKennedy In my opinion it's not, but I wouldn't try to VTC it though
@NickA Thank you!
 
The prefect case for VLQ flag :D, it probably is an "attempt" to answer, not sure however if there is an answer in it.... I bet LQP queue will delete it and probably most mods...
 
@PetterFriberg The way I see it is, after removing the fluff, "Good luck, keep trying"
 
but probably strictly speaking you should just dv
@NickA yeah more or less... + it can be done.... but we don't really know what he did :D
anyway I would absolutely not red flag that.
 
10:21 AM
@PetterFriberg No, but i did DV and NAA
 
Yes, IMO
 
What do you think about my comment here: stackoverflow.com/questions/52732746/… Is this the right way to help someone out?
 
Ugh, so many ebobf.
 
flagged
 
10:33 AM
@E_net4 ebobf?
 
@NickA So many robo-reviewers in that review above.
 
@StephenKennedy, perhaps also worth a custom flag, to notify mods of these great reviewers?
 
@Luuklag Meh, lots of people seem to misunderstand that LOA are NAA
 
I'm stupid. I reviewed it; I didn't flag it.
 
@Luuklag Other than the typos, it looks OK to me. Unfortunately, every comment feels a bit like a Russian roulette with a variable barrel size. One never knows what will happen next.
Friendly, guiding comments increase the odds of everything going well, but even so the OP might not cooperate.
 
10:36 AM
@E_net4, thank the company for not letting me install a grammar checker. Not native english here. And what will happen next, at least the Q is closed, he should take the hint or leave ;)
 
@Luuklag I'm going to grab some lunch. Feel free to raise a custom flag.
 
Bon apetit
 
well obv you always can, I mean I have higher priorities :) and ty
 
@Luuklag Some users bite back. :[
 
@StephenKennedy, I just wasn't sure if it was desired to do so. I'll type up one.
Oh lol, I can't I flagged it NAA already
 
10:38 AM
@Luuklag You can flag the question and mention/link the answer/review if you really want to raise custom flag
 
good one @NickA
arghhhh not again this user making useless edits: stackoverflow.com/questions/47261807/…
third custom flag for this guy is on its way -_-
 
@Luuklag Which user? That edit is nearly a year old
 
@MichaelDodd The suggested one
part of CR burnination
 
Ah right, didn't see that at first
 
I just reject edited it, just to invalidate his edit.
His profile says top 12% this week, only has one downvoted answer from '16
Clearly rep hunting through edits.
In the burn room I already see 3 edits by the user, one accepted, one rejected (by @NickA with a nice custom message) He clearly doesn't get it.
 
10:51 AM
@Luuklag Remember, we don't target people :)
 
Yes, you are right @NickA, frustration got the better of me. I mod flagged a post, and hopefully this time it will be helpfull, other then being marked helpfull. And let that be the end of that for today.
 
11:10 AM
should the proposed duplicates here somehow be merged between them? they all seem to be about the same issue stackoverflow.com/questions/52731654/…
Selenium not rendering a font
 
@Trilp
@tripleee, the second link you posted looks like something else, at least the answers are. Also not sure if that should be kept.
The first dupe suggestion only has a Link-Only answer, so isn't that helpfull I imagine.
 
Is this spam?
 
@EJoshuaS I think just misguided
 
@tripleee I'd say we could delete this question, since the only answer is literally "Your answer is over here"
 
fine by me, though it seems unrelated to the message you are responding to ...?
 
@Machavity Not sure I agree - seems like a high-quality duplicate to me. I went with NAA on the answer.
 
12:06 PM
@tripleee Bleh, too many tabs open. Sorry
 
It could still help future readers by pointing them to the correct answer.
 
pretty much.. yes
 
how did it get deleted?
 
@StephenKennedy 20k-ed
 
12:13 PM
ty
 
12:25 PM
@StephenKennedy My modflag against this review was marked helpful fyi
 
12:35 PM
Morning
 
Afternoon NO o/
 
@MichaelDodd, so was mine
 
12:48 PM
@SurajRao I flagged R/A
 
ok.. I couldnt understand what they were going for.. :p
 
Well didn't know if it was meant a joke, but could also be interpreted as accusing someone of being a drugdealer. Not much value in keeping that around.
 
TIL about chrome://inducebrowsercrashforrealz (this will close all open instances of chrome just as a warning)
 
@NickA As opposed to chrome://inducebrowsercrashloljustkiddingchill
 
I found an old question closed as a duplicate of a deleted question: should I flag it for moderator attention? May I post it here with a del-pls request?
 
12:58 PM
@Cœur post it if you like it to be deleted
 
@PetterFriberg I prefer to be careful with the rules of the room.
 
@Cœur don't worry just blame me ;)
 
!!/blame
 
@NathanOliver It's BDL's fault.
 
^ blame them ;)
@Cœur You want the post that points to the deleted target deleted? That's fine to post a request for that. It's kind of pointless to have a closed Q to a Q you can't visit. We could also reopen it and close it to a different Q if you have a new target to use.
 
1:11 PM
@Zoe has a pending edit
 
@StephenKennedy Gone
 
@NickA, was that edit really that bad? I'd accept it, to bad it will bump the re-open queue but hey that's what happens
 
1:14 PM
@Luuklag It wasn't that bad, just not worth bumping to RO queue
 
@NickA @StephenKennedy That answer was marked as spam/abusive (I didn't raise the red flag) stackoverflow.com/a/52737711/5468463
 
@NickA Oh nice, I guess I now know how to use my remaining delete votes.
 
@Vega, That answer was bad, but not that bad IIRC. I probably flagged it NAA though.
 
@Vega hmm... strange. thanks for letting us know!
 
@Vega Neither did I, NAA for me. I don't think R/A was called for if that's the answer I'm thinking of (Australian business guy rant)
 
1:17 PM
@Vega I can't see it but i've not raised any red flags today
although I remember the answer, I DV'd and flagged NAA because it boiled down to "good luck, keep trying" (if it's the one i'm thinking of)
 
Are all deletions for NAA validated by mods?
 
@Vega no
 
It was deleted by a mod. To catch mod's attention there were probably at least one red flag, right?
 
Not necessarily. NAA and VLQ do hit the mod queue eventually.
 
I see... It was a curious case
 
1:26 PM
@Vega sometimes a mod does a sweep through the LQP queue and reviews stuff that doesn't need mod powers to delete. also sometimes a mod is lurking here and picks up on things. or, yes, they might have received a red flag.
@Vega it's worth bookmarking this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/…
 
the mods are always lurking
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@Vega anyway since it shows "This answer was marked as spam or rude... ", it had a red flag, but mod decided only to delete it (hence you see deleted by Name)
as far as NAA/VLQ they get autoflags for stuff, like if answer is accepted etc and then if question does not pass through the LQP queue "quick enough" they arrive and clear it...
 
@StephenKennedy ty
 
Perhaps it reached mod attention due to the pile of NAA flags we stacked
 
1:41 PM
@PetterFriberg I am not sure to understand, sorry. What are the other possibilities to not see 'deleted by' name. If the mod deletes, we should see the name. But you are certainely saying something else
@Luuklag That's a good probability
 
@Vega if the mod "SPAM NUKE" it you will not see the mods name, hence you deduce if the mod agreed with spam flag or not
in this case it has spam/abusive flag, mod did not agree and only delete it.
if you see a question/answer with less then -7 score and it is spam deleted (with community users) it's a mod that have spam/abusive nuked it
 
@PetterFriberg Ah, but I do see 'This answer was marked as spam or rude or abusive and is therefore not shown ..'
 
if -7 or less you don't really know if mod was involved or not.
@Vega exactly so it had a spam/abusive flag
but then you also see "Deleted by mod name", hence mod did not agree to spam/abusive nuke it instead they only deleted.
hence it enough that the Q or A have one spam flag to show that notice... even if mods dispute flags and only delete.
mods can also remove the notice if they think so but often they just delete if they don't want to inflict the penalty.
@Vega for example this stackoverflow.com/questions/52730445/… was spam nuked by a mod.
see it's -5 not -7 so community users were not enough... but it has deleted by community, hence a mod throw a spam flag at it.
 
I thought the reverse before, silly me. Thank you, much clear now :)
 
in general if user have rep, be careful with red flags, try to presume good faith... a mistake etc, mods almost never spam/abusive nuke those. If unreg user red flag what ever you like :D
 
1:55 PM
I can only wonder... Can it be a breach of the CoC to write certain SEDE queries? Or is it only when they are shared?
 
meeh all the data is public.. so I guess you just need to be careful with description and title...
 
Hmm, that seems fair.
 
Exploiting an XSS vulnerability would be a breach of the CoC
 
I'm not sure how. I guess it really depends on the situation and what you are doing with the data. It is public information so it's not like you are accessing anything you shouldn't be.
 
@NathanOliver Well, a good point was made here: making a query to target a certain class of users should be done with care, right?
 
2:00 PM
You wouldn't be able to use the results of such a query here
 
@E_net4 If you have a script that would target a single user then you can't bring that here, but what you do with it yourself is your business. If you have scripts that try find users that post bad content or subvert the rules then that's okay and you can share that here. IMHO it is how you act on the data where the CoC comes into play. The gathering of the data is fine by itself.
 
DoSing the data server might not be welcome though, or at least very welcoming
 
@NathanOliver Never did I consider targeting a single user. I just want to be sure that I'm not, well, "overmoderating" a specific concern.
 
DoSing and XSS are just plain illegal, not unwelcoming
 
2:08 PM
Are they not unwelcoming? Cool.
 
I'm not sure you can overmoderate. You can get to nitpicky but if it legitimate, and you want to put in the time to moderate it, go for. Just don't burn yourself out over it.
 
@E_net4, You made me very curious what shady query you are building. I bet the others are as well ;)
 
Me too
 
@E_net4 There are some bad users who need moderation but the only exception we make to dealing with users is when a mod has identified a potential issue with one and asks us to help investigate
So if you find an issue with a user, I'd mod flag it first. if the mod sees fit to bring it here then so be it
 
deletes query targetting flowers
 
2:13 PM
@E_net4 the only time that I have heard that Mods/SE wanted to be careful was when Magish was targeting serial voters, hence even if good queries they asked him to not make them public.
 
XSS can be very welcoming. Visit this site, and you get welcomed by a few extra sites too
 
since obviously they also had false positives...
 
Not because it would let the voters dodge them?
 
I don't think so... it was more let us check that it's true before you make that stuff public
but there are tons of queries about dupe hammers that hammers and answer same question etc... anyway if you are worried, write an email to SE and explain or try to summon the Samurai.
 
This post hit me in the re-open queue: stackoverflow.com/questions/52670755/… where OP edited to add his answer. I rolled back, and left a comment. Or should I have done differently?
 
2:18 PM
Oops.
 
@Luuklag naa it's fine, I often leave in comment a link to revision with answer (hence easy for others and OP to find answer), you can also post a community wiki with the answer (giving credit to OP)
you could also not make it community wiki, but that's to sneaky for my style
 
@PetterFriberg It'd also possibly get a DV from a few people
 
but probably an accept :D
 
You can always wait, see if it earns or lowers your rep, and if you lose some, CW it is
 
Well the answer wasn't that great I want it associated with my name ;) Nor was the question any good, sitting at -5. Let Roomba eat it.
 
2:21 PM
IIRC the last stand on the meta discussion was that using CW to dodge rep loss was perfectly OK
 
baah not in my book...
 
@ErikvonAsmuth To me that is just plain lame and gaming the system.
 
moving comments and answers in question to answer if you have some style you make it community wiki...
if you get dv either you delete it, live with it or improve it.
 
$.02 - Posts that can be edited by anyone without approval should be deletable by anyone without approval
 
You can always blame Shog, it's his stance. I disagree too.
 
2:24 PM
So as to prevent curiosity from eating you: one can identify some No Longer Needed comments with that query I shared in that Meta Q.
 
One more concern with such queries - try not to overwork the mods too much.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth anyway this is important "It's not retroactive, @erik - whatever rep is lost stays lost as long as the post is visible. Yes, you can stave off future rep loss... But you could also just delete the answer, and that would get you back the rep you've already lost too."
you can't really be sure why a user makes it community wiki... hence how do you prove that's the reason.. etc... Shog basic point is that you can do it when you like, since it's your answer.
@E_net4 tons of bots running with those kind of queries, I would not bother to manually go and seek those.
 
@PetterFriberg Which bots are we talking about?
 
@E_net4 This for example meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/280546/…, but I also know of others...
 
@PetterFriberg Good to know :D
 
2:31 PM
@E_net4 The no-longer need flagging is more a bot exercise then anything else seeking them out on SEDE and manually flag is useless and some mods even dislike it... I remember a meta where mods started to decline flags from a user that used SEDE.... (They will probably not do it again... but yeah)
 
@E_net4 I wish i'd never opened that query....
 
@NickA Sad, isn't it. :(
 
@E_net4 Some are hilarious! but yes, most are sad :(
 
@PetterFriberg That is interesting. The queries I have made do not provide enough accuracy for automation, though.
 
2:42 PM
anyway watch out for the no-longer need stuff using SEDE it's not really appreciated by all mods.
 
Also going to modflag that user for excessive self-promotion and posting the same answer across multiple questions
 
Hey folks, there's this question that's one of the top google results for "python split string" or similar search phrases, and it's quite a mess - the OP wants to parse a csv file without using the csv module from the standard library, but the answers only show how to split a string on commas. Overall I think the question is pretty worthless, if not harmful. We need 2 more close votes to be able to delete it.
 
@MichaelDodd I did.. Seem to promoting a number of them
 
@Aran-Fey Meh, I think it's fine to be closed but no need to be deleted
 
@NickA It has wasted the time of 36k people though. And we have better questions about splitting strings and parsing csv files. Don't see a reason to keep it around.
 
2:52 PM
@Aran-Fey Maybe close it but I don't see a reason to delete it.
 
just out of interest why don't you ask it in room 6?
 
@Aran-Fey "has wasted the time of 36k people though" - citation needed
 
@PetterFriberg I did, that's where I got the first 2 close votes from
 
@Aran-Fey cant be deleted.. has upvoted n accepted answer
 
Oh, that's a shame
Didn't know it worked like that
 
2:55 PM
@Aran-Fey well it can be in a few days (2-3)
 
Any Q can be deleted after being closed for 48 hours. It's just a matter of how many votes are required. 3 is the minimum and I think 10 is the maximum needed.
 
Yeah that question will not need many del votes. 3 max 4...
 
Seriously though, would any tears be shed if it were deleted? Pretty much every other google result is more useful than that question. As far as I'm concerned, it's - at best - a wasted click.
 
@Aran-Fey I for sure would not, my was only a curiosity since I know you are active in room 6.
 
@PetterFriberg Yes, 3 votes, (3 + (Qvotes+HighestAnswerVotes)//20)
 
3:03 PM
hence for python stuff they usual know best :)
 
@RiggsFolly Your comments always manage to cheer me up :)
 
@Vega just for science this is an example of question with rude/abusive flag but deleted by 20K users stackoverflow.com/questions/52743309/…
 
I am not entirely sure such posts deserve an R/A flag.. Close and delete ASAP sure
 
Yeah I would not flag that for sure... but with new CoC some "power" users argue that those are just as offensive
it's like a revenge on OP stuff, instead of commenting since I can't you flag me, I flag you :)
anyway I only showed it to demonstrate how you can know what happen with a Q/A
 
3:33 PM
Can I request a SE review-pls just because I want to know what other people think of a suggested edit?
As in "did I review this right?" not "lol look at this edit"
 
@PetterFriberg Wow, that's was to strict. You wouldn't red flag it either. I saw rejects for more deserving posts (this one was an abusive case, I guess)
 
@NickA on SE or SO?
if not on SO it's the wrong room, we have no clue...
 
sorry, SO, i realised after writing, i meant suggested edit when i said SE
 
Sure, you can post asking for our opinions of it
 
3:40 PM
Can people look at this edit then please, I went for reject because to me it clearly appears to be a regex question, but my C is a bit below this
(reason I didn't tag is because I'm not looking for a review, just opinions)
Other reason for asking was because it has 1 approve vote
 
We are SOCVR (but we do a lot of other moderation activities and meta lurking and onebox hating and .. oh look a butterfly)
 
Nah, I know that, but the FAQ mostly focuses on cv-pls info
 
@NathanOliver Is that a ... pigeon?
 
@NickA I would probably have rejected that... tags serve for search index also and since problem with a command executing regex well the tag seems relevant... if you don't have 5 other tags that are better.
I know that the people following regex don't want to see the question, but that's another issue according to me
 
Removing the tag they 'gave' the answer that the issue is not linked to regex, but that's like editing the question code for typos
 
3:55 PM
The regex also have some issues :), but yeah probably this is another story...
 
I'm having a bad day, first i have a busted knuckle and i have no idea why, now I finish a bag of crisps, rub my eye and get chilli in them, what is a man to do :(
 
@JohnDvorak That is exactly what I need right now!
Well, home time, looks like today is a day to have a drink, gn all o7
 
4:03 PM
All day meeting for me tomorrow, and I'm off on Friday, so I won't see you until monday
o/
 
@MichaelDodd Enjoy ;p, see you then
 
@MichaelDodd gunr, is that you???
4
 
I read that keeping feet in the cold water could help?
I know it's for eyes;)
 
"What is your favourite album of all time?" is a surprisingly difficult question
especially when it's from a company-wide email
Though we all know the answer is "Q: Are We Not Men? A: We are Devo!" :)
 
@MichaelDodd Hah, join the club. I'm in meetings and events from 8 to 17 tomorrow
Also Plop
 
4:15 PM
o/
 
o/
 
\o
 
4:36 PM
anyone knows why this question was closed? stackoverflow.com/questions/52741420/…
 
<10k pleb, so no idea
 
@Sajeetharan It was closed as unclear
 
@PaulStenne means?
 
And mod-deleted.
 
4:38 PM
@Sajeetharan I cannot see deleted posts
 
@Sajeetharan Were you certain of what the OP was asking?
 
ok, but i understood the question and for sure one with typescript,angular experience will understand the question
 
@Sajeetharan lacks mcve might have been better for that
 
@E_net4 yes i was sure
 
@Sajeetharan I can only advise to improve a question before answering it. Especially if it's receiving downvotes and close votes.
 
4:41 PM
@E_net4 Yes i do that , but there have been hundreds of worst questions than this i have come across
is there a way to let moderators know that i understood the question?
 
@Sajeetharan We can have better standards than just "better than the worst questions". ;)
 
@E_net4 after that i got 3 user removed as notification. now im worried whether i will be suspended which i was not aware of (if some one has repeatedly upvoted)
 
@Sajeetharan You cannot be harmed by user removals
 
@Machavity thanks
 
@Machavity except loss of rep of course
that's always when I lose (or gain) a large amount of reputation (e.g. 30+ at a time); a user is removed
 
4:47 PM
Questions and Answers are like foundations and houses. If the base platform is carp, the house will sink with it.
 
Only occasionally can some answers stand on their own without a foundation. Some civil engineering trickery.
 
It is you :)
 
We should have a meeting about having too many meetings. Except that would be quite meta, which we don't do in here
 
4:54 PM
@JohnDvorak Floating answer is nice answer.
 
@Machavity They're filming a sequel to that Hitchcock's classic
 
@Sajeetharan If it makes you feel better, you're still better off than the Prolog tag
 
inb4vandalisinsulting
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Sometimes I find some comments funny :)
@πάνταῥεῖ That would be great if he answer it :D
 
5:11 PM
Not sure after all :)
 
;)
Hey Petter o/
 
@Machavity Thanks that makes me feel better indeed :)
 
The following question is a duplicate: stackoverflow.com/q/6804053/3924118.
 
o/ Sami
@nbro you can pass an official cv pls request if you like, see the format others use or check FAQ on SOCVR.org
 
5:27 PM
@nbro Do you want to have it closed or just discussing if we agree?
 
Ninjad it's a dupe, he/she want it closed
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Good Q +1
 
I learned that recently, @Makyen made me aware ;)
 
:-)
 
@Makyen The teacher huh! :)
 
5:31 PM
He's always calm and patient at least.
 
At least? :)
 
Yes, I see this and honestly I like it
 
And swings the mop like no other :D
 
lol
 
@PetterFriberg Some attribution that I won't give for some other RO's here :)
@nbro Are you new to this chat room? If so feel welcome o/
 
5:37 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I start to be angry, I don't like this kind of questions to be answerd :) (prev question I flag)
and the answer start with Not sure 100% :(
 
Have a glass of whiskey and a spliff, just calm down. Avoid to comment. Primary rule for new academia season starting :3
Ah and DV of course ;)
 
Yeah, cheers ;)
 
6:28 PM
o/ rene
 
\o
 
@πάνταῥεῖ too broad? It's a yes or no answer :)
 
6:50 PM
alright then
 
7:37 PM
Is it ok to answer a question has 4 cv after the OP edit it and make it clear?
 
@Sami Depends?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I answer his question after he add informations which I can work with :)
I'll delete it
 
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