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12:29 AM
@MartinJames My favorite was one yesterday that dumped about 200 lines of code in and said I hired a contractor to write this for me, but now I need it changed. Can you add this functionality for me? and then got bent out of shape at me for telling them that's not how this site works.
 
12:40 AM
Does this answer look low quality to anyone else?
Actually, never mind. Found this guy posted the same blog multiple times
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, the exact factors which are counted are not disclosed. At least the norm is to not count activity on chat, but that might change. But, it is a block based on the public IP address which SE/Fastly sees. Thus it's all activity from the IP, which can include other machines, depending on your network configuration. There is, of course, no way for us to determine what might be happening outside of the MTR2 page.
@Machavity The blog posts are authored by the user. That's not disclosed in the answer. I left a comment.
 
@Makyen I figured. He posted another link to it in another answer. That one was nothing but a link so LQPed
 
12:56 AM
@Machavity Yeah, I saw that one. There are only those two posts on SO which have links to that domain.
 
Asking for a hint: in reference to this question. Some questions regarding Ansible Tower refer to API and are on-topic on SO, many refer to using the system and are off-topic. I want to edit the tag description in a similar manner to and refer to ServerFault - wouldn’t I need some consensus from the target site? How were such issues handled in the past? (I will bring it up on meta, if there was no better idea).
 
1:14 AM
@techraf If directing people to another SE site, it's always a good idea to remind the user to read the site's on-topic page (e.g. What topics can I ask about here?). Generally, such comments just get edited into the tag wiki/excerpt w/o consultation. However, most people who misuse tags don't really pay attention to what these say anyway.
 
1:49 AM
@KenWhite: amazing, simply amazing
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yeah. Some people are just beyond help. This guy is going to just keep circling the drain until the toilet finally flushes and he goes down.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Tough love, but amusing to watch :)
 
Disengaging
Does not even approach answering the question, and the poster admits this in comments.
 
2:10 AM
@Cœur FYI: Your link is to a comment on an answer, not a question. Thanks
 
@Makyen thanks, fixed.
(you may also check the answer, as I'm unsure if it's considered "link" only or not)
 
2:22 AM
@Cœur It's an answer. Not a good one, but an answer. Obviously, the code should be in the answer, not an external site. "Link-only" means really nothing more than a link. Basically, the criteria is: remove the fact that some text is a link (don't remove the linked text, just the link). Does it still appear that it might answer the question? If it does, then it's not link-only.
 
user177800
2:54 AM
@Cœur what is the correct duplicate, because that has to be one
 
@JarrodRoberson If you can't tell yourself, then it may not be a duplicate.
 
user177800
3:11 AM
@Cœur I am not a javascript tag guru and am not going to waste time digging through to find what has to be something asked before.
 
3:22 AM
@KenWhite Another thug with a computer. It's unfortunate that the more offensive comments were deleted before I could copy thm out into my gallery of 'replies to those who say that moderating SO users are rude and abusive to newbies' :(
 
@MartinJames Did you get to see the part where we were accused of being mean to the poster because of his race? (userXXXXX, no info in profile, relatively new account, but somehow we're aware of race). Not sure how voting to close as off-topic is racially motivated..
 
@KenWhite Yeah - how are we supposed to know that the OP is a West Ham supporter?
..or some other alien race?
 
Is there someone here right now with push access to Smokey's GitHub repo?
 
user177800
@KenWhite flagged what was not deleted yet, also mod flagged another question he asked and was rude/abusive to people commenting on his crap.
 
@JarrodRoberson Thanks. It's amazing that people think they're going to get help here when they conduct themselves like that, isn't it? I did find the threat to come to my house rather humorous, though (in sort of a sad way).
 
3:38 AM
@Cœur @JarrodRoberson I've added a comment with a possible duplicate. Now all we need is a JavaScript dup-hammer to make the change.
 
@KenWhite I find such personal threats very un-humorous:( Such activity should result in immediate account deletion.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, I flagged it for the mods, but it appears it was just deleted. Don't know if a mod did it or the poster did.
@MartinJames: But based on the now deleted post and the one other by this user, they're not going to be around long anyway.
 
@KenWhite Still too long:)
 
 
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5:17 AM
@KenWhite 'Please vote or down vote only if you know its answer and also share your answer in comment box. But do not comment or down vote if you do not know the answer of this question.' Sure! Right! Got that! Absolutely! ....on to next slaver.....
 
@MartinJames You saw that. :-) I'm not suppose to use my high reputation to downvote posts even if they're really bad unless I know the answer and I'm willing to post an answer while downvoting... Did I get it right?
 
@KenWhite It does ramble on a bit, but I think the gist is 'GIVE ME MY ANSWER OR SHUT UP. I DON'T CARE ABOUT DOWNVOTES 'COS I'LL JUST USE ANOTHER ACCOUNT FOR MY NEXT BAD QUESTION, JUST GIVE ME MY ANSWER NOW AND DON'T PUT ANY OBSTACLES IN THE WAY OF THE PRIME DIRECTIVE WHICH IS GIVE ME MY ANSWER'.
 
@MartinJames I think you've nailed it. Try this one now - make sure you read the comments.
 
5:37 AM
@KenWhite Uh.. OK, I guess it's fair that the toxic degenerates that downvote the questions get the death threats and 'home visits', and the good little drones who answer regardless get nice internet points.. I hate these people:(
 
 
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7:35 AM
Morning o/
 
\o afternoon
 
hi o/
 
Ron
8:43 AM
o/
 
9:32 AM
The 2018 SO dev survey lacks Oracle from the DB list : (
 
9:42 AM
and access :D
 
omglol
 
@KenWhite I guess you saw my comment on your meta answer? I will remove it as it was tangential in the first place
 
9:58 AM
morning
 
morning :D
 
I wonder what you're supposed to do when someone gains reputation via serial upvoting and them immediately spends it on a bounty
reversing won't do much then won't it?
 
@Magisch we had one of those last week, flag it for mod and explain exactly what was done. include link to some of the posts and the mod will take it from there
 
10:23 AM
@Nkosi Sides of escalating to a CM there isn't much a mod can do, though
 
oh ok yeah that case is different
 
The bounty has already been awarded in this case
On Dec 28, 2017 this user gained ~60 reputation in serial votes. On Jan 01, 2017 they offered up a bounty and subsequently awarded it.
Sides from that, apologies to any present mods in advance for dumping 100 serial voting reversal flags on you today
I'm catching up from when I was studying for my CoC exam
 
@Magisch I guess it really depends on whether its possible for user to award bounty without having the serial upvotes
 
In the case last week a low rep account created a few other accounts and then asked a few nonsensical questions and had the puppets upvote just enough to be able to apply bounty to the real question. we were able to catch the suspect behavior in time and report it to a mod who dealt with it. puppets were deleted and offending account suspended.
@Magisch I would still suggest reporting it.
 
 
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12:09 PM
not a python pro but is stackoverflow.com/questions/48167621/… close worthy?
 
@SurajRao kinda like teach me programming Q
@mickmackusa just a small suggestion... I recommend you to refrain from telling people what to do and what not... it just might cause unneccessary meta waves ...
 
OTOH, it might cause a desired change in behavior, too
 
12:35 PM
yoyo gunr \o
 
12:45 PM
:)
 
@Nkosi No face gel for you ;)
 
lol
ohz nohz. :(
 
@Nkosi you seem to be a regular here; if you would like to request privileges to interact with SmokeDetector in this room, that should be an easy thing to grant
 
@tripleee cool. Let me get more familiar with the commands and when I am ready, I'll request it. Thanks.
 
1:39 PM
@PetterFriberg is the question even okay? or is this general computing?
 
@tripleee yeah to me also close-able question... but an answer is still an answer.
 
any Python hammers around to think about the duplicates I proposed here -- not sure this should be hammered, but would appreciate a second opinion stackoverflow.com/questions/48169101/…
 
1:56 PM
@honk opps I duped your request sorry for that...
 
@PetterFriberg I don't mind. Main thing is that it gets closed ;)
 
2:09 PM
That user always has a link to that website in every answer (they have two answers on Ask Different; don't know if there are some deleted ones elsewhere)
 
2:26 PM
@AndrewMyers Yupp. Link-only, question does not ask for external resources, new user, link suspicious (for a github, official Android link, etc. it was NAA).
 
@Olaf Too slow!
 
@Mogsdad Not really. I flagged successfully.
 
I meant wrt your comment at J.
 
@Mogsdad I checked carefully. Maybe this time I was too slow, but hopefully next time he knows himself :-)
(always trying to teach something)
 
I like to learn something new every day. If I can do that before 10AM, I have lots of time for a nap before bed time!
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2:37 PM
@kayess: Trying to race Firy?
 
@Olaf he did that to me : D on the earlier report
 
2:57 PM
@kayess An eye for an eye, a post for a post!
 
3:11 PM
i.stack.imgur.com/VMUzK.png apparently this isn't serial voting
flag on it was declined
The question is how do I find the mod who declined it and ask for reasons, because from what I can see that was a valid flag
 
@Magisch You shouldn't. What you can do is ask "why" on meta. You'll probably hear from the community at large, but might get an answer from the mod in question.
...and Meta effect may kick in, as well, and result in vote reversal etc.
But as we don't moderate users here, that's as far as the discussion can go in the room.
 
@Mogsdad Last time I had one of those a mod told me explicitly not to drag my serial voting stuff to meta
 
Frustrating, I know. I've got that sort of response wrt declined flags on duplicate answers (i.e. 3+ copies), to the point that I've stopped flagging them.
 
I just need to find a mod to ping I guess
Nobody is going to stop me from dragging it to meta, but a mod has explicitly requested that I do not do this so I want to respect their wishes
 
@Magisch There are not sooo many. Just ping them all :p
 
3:29 PM
@Mogsdad It's getting to the stage of 'nobody here cares about it - even malicious users, dupe-posters, vamps, cucumbers and serial downvoters read the adverts'.
 
A bunch of 10k-eligible useless questions (closed w/ upvotes and no answers) stackoverflow.com/…
 
3:59 PM
What, exactly, is a cucumber btw?
 
as in, the software term
or the vegetable
 
As used here
 
oh, as a type of person
 
Yes
 
No idea :P
Also, regarding the stickied star about panelists for SXSW, if you are thinking about it, you might want to lawyer up just in case, if you haven't. Going open with that type of stuff is risky owo.
 
4:03 PM
I've been planning on learning Cucumber (the software package) at some point - haven't gotten around to it yet, though
 
high rep users who answer questions that should be closed.
that is how I interpreted it when I saw @Olaf and a few others using it.
they would say a VLQ is attracting cucumbers.
 
@MartinJames I would say it's not that no one here cares, but that this room is for one specific thing - Close Vote Reviewing
we specifically don't moderate users and have no ability to do anything a single user can't already do with regard to suspected voter fraud
so there is not much point in bringing it up here
 
@Nkosi Not necessarily high-rep imo, but users with some reputation, resp. not newbies, but yes, that's the idea. There was another word for them, but that is considered offending/insulting. No one should be offended by a cucumber, though.
 
...depends on how you refer to the cucumber. lol
 
@EJoshuaS Forget it, it is quite tasteless;-)
 
4:07 PM
being nice through language obscurity
 
@JohnDvorak Isn't that's exactly what it is about? When in Rome, behave like a Roman.
 
@Olaf It depends on where you want to put it ;)
 
@Olaf Disagreed. The only tasteless fruit here is avocado.
... and other lawyers
 
Avocado can be tasty
it just needs to be added to tasty fruit
 
so does that mean that a very high rep cucumber is a pickle?
 
4:08 PM
Thats not how pickles are made.
 
Those cucumbers can be in a pickle, though.
 
@JohnDvorak Ok, I like the smell of cucumbers (the green ones, hardly the SO ones). I once tried an avocado and, yeah, I can't understand what people like about it, except for skin treatment or so.
@honk :-D
@Compass Leaving away the avocado would make those fruit even more tasty
 
Hey, even a watermelon can be offensive
 
@Nkosi Aren't pickles some kind of sour preserved stuff? I remember some cucumbers here did become pickles when informed about site rules.
 
4:13 PM
I have one (avocado tree) growing in the back yard. So I am bias. They taste good to me but then again I probably acquired a taste for them.
 
@JohnDvorak In a fruit punch with hole fruits. But a pineapple would be more problematic.
@Compass Yeah, that stuff to put on your face.
 
What's a hole fruit? Apple with worms?
 
Guacamole is delicious
 
blended with raisins and other fruits they make a great spread for toast. mmmmm :)
 
@JohnDvorak Typo: Whole.
 
4:16 PM
RAISINS. YOU MONSTER.
 
Some consider doughnuts as hole fruit.
 
That's like, grape torture!
 
any who, with that I'm off, got scout meeting in a lil bit and need to prep for that.
keep tight and don't let the pickles stink up the place.
 
@Nkosi They make a fine ammo if you ever get to war with your neighbours.
 
Potatoes were used in WW2 as a weapon
 
4:17 PM
lol
 
@Compass RIP Irish people
 
@Compass So that's where the potatoe gun/cannon comes from?
 
As the Japanese sailors attempted to man their three-inch deck gun, the O'Bannon's deck hands, not having side arms, grabbed potatoes from nearby storage bins and pelted the Japanese with them.[2] Thinking the potatoes were hand grenades, the submarine's sailors were too occupied with throwing them away from the sub to fire. This gave the O'Bannon the opportunity to distance itself to fire its guns at the sub and damage the conning tower.
If you think about it, you cant be sure that amongst the potatoes there was not a hand grenade mixed in!
 
In the Worms universe, it doesn't even matter. Potatoes are even more deadly than regular hand grenades.
 
@Compass Maybe the Japanese were not used to see carbs of that size.
 
4:21 PM
@Compass wait, how were they throwing potatoes at submariners in a submarine?
 
the submarine surfaced
WWII subs had really short underwater times
 
@Compass They still have, except for the nuclear subs.
@FrankerZ Why? It should roomba
 
And it's gone
 
4:46 PM
applies face to mashed potatoes
 
 
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@SmokeDetector That's an example where jumping all over the answer with flags was the exact WRONG thing to do.
 
pats smokey
 
6:22 PM
@Mogsdad It's unfortunate the answer was jumped on so hard. I certainly agree that flagging it as spam/rude, which somebody did do, was wrong. I can see people thinking that having lots of dots to get around the length filter is abusive, but, IMO, such a flag is inappropriate in this case. A NAA flag would have been accurate, but multiple such flags don't help. It appears the mod didn't invalidate the red-flags prior to deleting it (or so I assume from it being marked as spam/rude).
 
That's my read, as well. The OP solved their own problem... they needed encouragement to make the Q&A useful, is all.
But, hey, FREE FLAGS!
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@Olaf So... it was a diesel-electric potato-gun?
 
@MartinJames Or fuel cell.
Oh, no, not at that time.
@Makyen Sure they don't wasn't there something like multiple flags automatically delete a post? Or is that only true for spam?
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, I left a (auto) comment to that effect with which I've had success in the past (i.e. gotten OPs to edit the answer out of the question and post an Answer. In this case, given that the OP already had an answer posted, I was seriously thinking about just editing to move the text from the question to the answer. However, by the time I was thinking about it the answer was already at -5 and I felt that the user might be better served by deleting that answer and posting a new one.
@Olaf It's only true for spam. For NAA, more than one flag doesn't do anything useful. For those of us under 20k, the next useful thing we can do is find the review in the LQP queue and "Recommend Deletion". But, it takes several minutes from being flagged to the answer showing up in the LQP queue. Finding the review is much faster if someone has left a comment "From Review", which gives the review link.
So, always leave such a comment from the LPQ, if there isn't one already. That way people seeing the post can go directly to the LQP review. Note: If you raise an NAA, you can also go to the LQP review and "Recommend Deletion".
 
Ron
7:36 PM
Going to sign a contract tomorrow. Feeling so down.
Domestic one.
Carry on.
 
I'm not your wayward son
 
@TylerH What?
 
Carry On Wayward Son is a famous song by Kansas
The lyrics begin "Carry on my wayward son..."
 
@TylerH OK. Now I recognize it. Originally, I completely missed the connection. :-)
 
Ron
Make that two of us.
 
Any idea why my VLQ flag on this answer got declined? Did I miss something?
 
@Machavity no clue... maybe because OP commented and said they would add some demo?
 
Might have to open a Meta. Was hoping it was just something obvious. Seems like a textbook link-only
 
@Machavity We can look at the timeline. Then, go to the LQP review. Interpreting those, we can see that the post entered the LQP queue and in 2.5 hours it was reviewed by two users, who both clicked "Recommend Deletion", after which a moderator marked it disputed. That's more-or-less what I'd expect. The users reviewing the LQP queue, generally, use different criteria than mods.
 
If everyone voted 'recommend deletion' then why did the moderator mark it as disputed rather than helpful and delete it?
 
8:25 PM
@Makyen Ok, thanks. It's a bit strange the flag does not already count as delete vote if the user flagging has enough reps to recommend deletion in the queue.
 
@TylerH Dunno. Might even be spam, if answerer has some affiliation with that 'phantom' thingy.
 
@Makyen That's interesting, but doesn't explain why the mod declined it. Thanks tho
 
@TylerH @Machavity The answer is "low quality", in that it only sort-of answers the question by saying to use something else with only minimal install info, but providing a link to the project. However, the answer is not "very low quality" (i.e. basically unreadable), nor NAA (i.e. it's more than link-only).
Generally, moderators evaluate "very low quality" as "this is totally unintelligible". For NAA, the criteria is that the content of the answer, exclusive of anything that's linked to, but not the displayed link text, is not (loosely) an answer.
 
@Makyen Err, the answer is "Go here, download and run the program". Doesn't that qualify as link only?
 
@Machavity IIRC they consider link only to be literally only a link
if it has any kind of text instructions it doesn't qualify
I could be misremembering though
 
8:32 PM
Well, I've opened a meta. Hopefully get some insight from a mod
 
@Machavity It says something like: "Use this named package. Install the named executable in this location. [link to project]." If you remove the actual link, then it still provides an answer, not a good answer, but an answer.
 
But how do you get the installer if the link is broken?
 
web archive? Searchable mirrors?
 
@Machavity Google. They gave the name of the project (not well, but phantom/phantomjs.exe is enough). That's enough for you to find the project which they are referring to (if it still exists), should the actual link die.
@Olaf Yeah, it seems like it would be good/reasonable to count such a flag from a user with the rep to "Recommend Deletion" as a review-response. It would significantly improve LQP/NAA processing, as users who can "Recommend Deletion" could do so from the question/answer instead of having to find, and navigate to, the review page. Doing so might significantly reduce the load on the review queue and moderators. Please post a RFE on Meta.
 
9:17 PM
Out of CVs. Already again. Man, I would even take the Developer Survey again for more CVs...
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9:39 PM
\o
 
10:10 PM
(That's from the SmokeDetector suggestion above)
 
That's not a question but a work order.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Pretty standard Stack Overflow question, then :-O
 
@halfer: sad but true
 
/me tries to stick to new year positivity resolution
 
@halfer Unfortunately, the OP's are also positive, and you are repelling each other.
 
10:19 PM
OK, bedtime for honki. Cya! \o
 
@MartinJames I still can't get my head around the cultural or psychological norms that give rise to "hey I will ask my brief, unclear and unresearched question, and ask volunteers for some free labour on an urgent basis". It really is baffling.
o/ night @honk
 
@halfer It's just us, 'cos we're cheap, (free), and so can be freely abused. They would not take the same 'tude with their doctor/surgeon, ('cos they would be dead now). They would not take the same 'tude with their accountant, ('cos they would be bankrupt now). They would not take the same 'tude with their garage technician, ('cos they would be bankrupt AND stationary). It's just us, 'cos we're free:(
 
@MartinJames Are we daft as brushes for continuing to volunteer on Stack Overflow despite all that, then? :-p
Maybe we should start charging!
 
@halfer Some might say that, I could not possibly comment myself:)
@halfer ...as the engine said to the alternator.
 
Sigh, if I could charge a contractor day-rate for my Stack Overflow volunteer work...
 
user4639281
11:06 PM
@halfer You say that, but could you imagine how entitled they would feel if they paid for it?
 
@TinyGiant true, but it would filter out so much dross I think it might be better. Sadly not a workable model, since everything on the internet has to be free :o)
 
@KenWhite Just FYI: Posts which solicit employees/contractors/work are considered potential spam. If it's just a blurb in an otherwise good post, then edit it out. However, this question was entirely a solicitation for a freelancer. As such, it's considered spam. This meta covers the issue for answers.
 
@Makyen I did flag it as spam. I re-read after my comment and close vote, realized it did in fact meet the criteria for spam, and flagged it as such. But I should have come back here and asked for the cv-pls to be removed. Sorry
 
@KenWhite np. It's gone now.
 
@MartinJames 100000 spam posts caught later
SE is sending charcoal stickers though, so that's cool
 
11:35 PM
@techraf Another bad runcible question. Nasty plague of them ATM:(
@EJoshuaS 'I have design skills but no coding skills' well, that's useful on a programming/development site. Actually, not even useful on a game site, since poster has no clue what is possible for cost X.
 
11:54 PM
@MartinJames it’s a disaster. If I did not find help from SOCVR, I would give up SO altogether.
And tag followers do not care. Only two of us (with Konstantin) regularly vote to close.
 

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