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12:15 AM
\o night all
 
Nite! o/
 
...and what happened to the formatting here, so that the tags did not format properly?
 
No markdown in multi-line messages.
Because reasons. vOv
 
Ok, no clue what made it multi-line though.
sorry for repost to make it into the queue
 
12:34 AM
@techraf It ended up being a multi-line message, which disables all markdown formatting. This is usually caused by the user mistakenly entering a newline in the textarea (commonly by pressing Shift-Enter).
 
@Makyen I vaguely remember a short message "fixed font formatting" or something to the right of the editing field... first time I saw it - I guess it was about the hyphen and maybe then the linefeed happened
 
@techraf Yep, that's what would have been displayed (actually an orange button). No big deal. It happens to most people at least once. It's just frustrating when you aren't yet aware of the issue, or when you don't catch it prior to the edit time-limit.
 
 
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...great tag!
 
 
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8:01 AM
@techraf "Resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers" as a close reason is something which should be rarely used (at most). I'd suggest you read the Meta: Resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers and at least it's primary/accepted answer.
 
@Makyen As you know, that's a part of the standard "no repro" close message. Are you suggesting that this question-and-answer pair is what SO community expects?
 
@techraf I'm neither saying nor attempting to imply anything about the question associated with the cv-pls. I'm trying to provide you with some background information on singling out that phrase from the close reason as the primary criteria for closure/applying that reason. Having that phrase be the criteria used for closure is something which is a bit contentious, and has significant history. There are people that feel both that it should be and people that feel it should not be.
 
@Makyen So I read the meta and your comment and have no clue what you were up to. It's just "I don't like your cv-pls" wrapped in some lofty words. How many times did you see this reason used to call it imply it's used more often than "rarely"?
 
8:20 AM
@techraf I appear to have not communicated. My initial comment was, perhaps, a bit less direct than I should have been. I was attempting to bring to your attention that using "resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers" as an close reason independent of the other clauses in that overall close reason is an issue which has had, in the not to distant past, a reasonable amount of discussion, with people on both sides of the issue. The meta post was created to attempt to reach a consensus.
 
8:46 AM
@Makyen I read the meta post, I don't quite agree with the view presented in the answer you indicated as a "minimal reading". Nothing stops anyone in future from asking a well-written, well-researched question and getting a well-explained answer if they have the (same) problem. It's not imperative that the problem they might have in future must be resolved by the very question I marked as "resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers".
By sending a cv-pls here, I don't think I am trying to impose my way of thinking onto anyone. I brought attention to the post and I'm done with it.
And in the end, it seems that even the OP did not think it will help anyone in future.
 
 
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1:45 PM
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Q: Burninate [kotlin-android]

ZoeThe kotlin-android tag has 32 questions and most of them are also tagged with android, kotlin or both. Since kotlin-android refers to kotlin when used with Android, it's essentially meaningless creating a specific tag for that. Related to a kotlin-android tag is also a android-java tag, but nothi...

 
2:40 PM
Plop everyone!
 
\o
 
How are you all doing?
 
just plopping along.
 
 
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4:13 PM
@SurajRao Yeah it was caught here
 
5:09 PM
The Sunday Java beg for code questions start:
 
5:51 PM
@Nkosi Commented on self-answer
 
@PaulStenne noted.
 
6:07 PM
@Nkosi Closed, posted some guidance
 
6:19 PM
Hmm, is this and answer?
 
Ron
Hello caretakers, how are you all feeling on this glorious Sunday morning/ noon / evening?
 
6:43 PM
@Ron Too close to Monday T_T
@Machavity I guess so. Can't judge its validity, I'll just edit it to look more like one at least
It looks more like a comment now but I suppose it still answers the question. So not NAA.
 
@Machavity I disagree that it's NAA. It includes "I think you need to create a new layout for your single page and than choose it from your dashboard", which raises it above the bar of being link-only. Not far above that line, but above it.
 
 
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8:08 PM
@MarkAmery Please use a request tag by including the text [tag:reopen-pls] (along with the reason for your request) in the message. The general format is: [tag:reopen-pls] post has enough info now https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see the request formatting section of SOCVR's FAQ.
@MarkAmery For this specific request, that could be: [tag:reopen-pls] seems like a pretty specific, narrow question to me; I've got no idea why it got closed as too broad [Execute shell commands from MySQL stored procedure](https://stackoverflow.com/q/41951746)
Using a request tag for requests allows other people to more easily find/see the request, both on the main chat page and in the transcript through searching. It also allows the ROs to find and archive the request once it's been fulfilled, or expired.
@MarkAmery BTW: Is there a reason that you did not vote to reopen? Are you just out of votes for today?
 
8:25 PM
thanks @Makyen
I voted to reopen it previously, but my vote expired; I can vote on it again tomorrow
 
Ron
8:56 PM
Do bots catch these phrases?
 
Can I suggest a question that needs closing?
 
9:14 PM
!!/test pain in the ass
 
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
 
@Ron Doesn't look like it.
 
Ron
I think they should.
 
@Simon "Well this is crying for a" is not a valid close reason :-). Please provide an actual close reason with your cv-pls requests (i.e. that would be used for voting, or flagging, to close). The question's closed now, so don't bother re-posting the request.
 
He didn't actually cv-pls. He's asking us to.
 
9:20 PM
Oh good it's finally closed. I'm very sorry. This is my first time here.
I'll do that in future.
I don't have the rep sadly.
 
@Simon Go get some rep then ... (don't worry this is the standard response to anyone under 1k) ... (and under 3k) ...
@Simon welcome to SOCVR. Did you already found and read our FAQ? It has some cool guidance and silly rules to make the best out of this room.
 
Ron
@Simon And then come back to cv for the benefit of being able to talk to like-minded caretakers.
runs away
 
@rene I will don't worry. +31 today. I'll have that 1k before you know it. Can I still use this room though?
Er no I only had a short glimpse at the FAQ will read it now.
 
@Simon yeah, we'll nag you now and then and only if you do it completely wrong and won't listen to our advice you might run into trouble.
 
@rene Well I always listen but I do the occasional howler.
 
9:29 PM
Sounds fine to me
 
:-) @Ron I don't generally run away.
 
@Simon You have the reputation needed (by far) to flag for closure. You can use the reason which you selected when you did that (you did do that, right?).
 
@Makyen Naturally I flagged but I didn't realize if I retract it I can't flag again.
 
Hi all! o/
 
I went and translated it from Russian flagging as unclear then discovered it wasn't even about programming so I retracted the flag trying to go for the off topic
 
Ron
9:34 PM
o/
 
@Simon Yep, most of us find out that way. You can only flag once per post for each type of flag. You can't vote-to-close again if you retract it. If the vote/flag for closure ages away, you will be permitted to vote/flag again.
 
Thanks for the info. As I said I did a double howler today.
1) I translated it 2) retracted the flag
 
@Simon That sounds like you edited the post to translate it. Don't do that. Please see: How do I deal with non-English content?
 
@Makyen That's right. Another user NickA kindly pointed me in that direction.
 
Ron
@PetterFriberg Talk about going south.
 
9:44 PM
It has a reasonable score -130
 
@Simon I'm glad you got the information. I didn't fully read and interpret the "double howler" idiom prior to clicking "send" on my last message, so didn't realize that it was redundant until after clicking.
 
probably some meta where op went nuts... anyway just a boring debug... with a title that mess up search
 
@Simon Unfortunately, there's a lot of information tied up in Meta posts, which would be better to have prominently available to users who have the interest to be informed about their participation on SO/SE. They make it much harder for such conscientious users than it needs to be. You could start with the Meta FAQ.
 
@Makyen Yeah. A lot of the useful info has to be googled separately.
 
Ron
I will be missing this chat room.
 
9:50 PM
@Ron I just popped back, what's going on? Any plans on leaving us?
 
Ron
@PaulStenne Temporarily I hope. I am about to relocate and do some daily grind.
 
Good luck on that. Where are you relocating?
 
Ron
@PaulStenne Not far. Just to the capital here, 200km to the north.
I wish it was 2000 but hey ;)
 
Would have to move to another country then =p
 
Ron
Exactly.
 
10:11 PM
The future is gone
 
you mean the [future]
 
[feature]
 
Ron
Are blatant homework dumps delete worthy?
It just so happens I can read the function declarations written in my native language in this one and it's a blatant do my homework for me. Zero effort.
 
Let the Roomba take care of it
No need to use delete votes when the system does it for you
@rene Are you cleaning [forums]?
Aah I see, it was in the future too
 
@PaulStenne just some clean-up of the request ones
 
10:23 PM
I tried closing these earlier but didn't get enough votes.
Ideally a gold badge holder could deal with them.
 
@Ron I usually focus del-votes on stuff that either is currently generating "heat" of some kind or posts that are "in the way", like garbage ranking high on google.
 
@River handled now
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen I see. Makes sense.
 
@rene with great hammers come great responsibility. lol
 
@rene thanks a bunch! I see you're putting your new hammer to good use.
 
10:29 PM
I was just about to start it only to see the new hammer put to quick use. lol
 
@Nkosi Yeah, it seemed like a safe practice run
 
Btw, who has the most functional version of Magic™ Review atm, and where can I find it?
@Makyen You did some work on that iirc, or am I confusing things again?
 
Ron
"Any help would be greatly appreciated™".
 
...was said just before receiving their close vote
 
Ron
;)
 
10:45 PM
"thanks for advances" Has 2 results.
"tanks in advance" 7 even. =D
 
Ron
Haha
 
11:33 PM
I guess as it's 23:33, I could have used up a delv on it.
 
@BaummitAugen Yes, I have done some work on it. If you're looking for the released version, then it's: Magic™ Editor (GitHub) (install).
@BaummitAugen If you're asking if there's anything I've added which hasn't been released yet, then: Yes: A) additional substitutions for various spelling, acronym, & trademarks; B) automatically in-line images; C) Improve detection of links; D) Fix detection of code-blocks at post-start; E) beginnings of also considering tag synonyms for removal from the title. Most of which I've now used enough such that can consider them tested. I should release a new version. Let me see if I can do that today.
 
Yup, was looking for the release, I had forgotten which github had the right version.
Thanks for the link!
@Makyen Wait, that's magic™ editor.
I was looking for the Magic™ review. XD
 
@BaummitAugen I misread your question... one sec. I assume you're looking for Magic Tag Review 2.
 
Though I guess I'll give that one a try anyways, not that I installed it without thinking. XD
@Makyen Yup. The last one was completely broken for me.
 
@BaummitAugen I find Magic Editor quite helpful. However, you must manually review the changes.
 
11:45 PM
@Makyen Sure, my name in the history -> my responsibility it's right.
Bots aren't perfect yet, sadly. =D
 
@BaummitAugen Hmmm... that's not good. What OS/browser/user-script manager are you using?
 
@Makyen FF with tamper atm, FF with grease then.
My last try was some months ago though, and if in doubt it was I that messed up.
Lemme try a fresh install of the current version, it's probably fine now.
 
@BaummitAugen Nope, not at all. While Magic Editor is usually quite helpful, it's not that uncommon for it to get a thing or two wrong. Sometimes, I've even had to completely revert. Although, I've usually edited the script to fix such major issues.
 
@BaummitAugen As soon as I find out where to install it that is. :)
 
@BaummitAugen OK. Yeah, Magic Tag had some issues with FF/Greasemonkey, which I submitted fixes for. Magic Tag Review 2 also had some issues, but I fixed those too. The only combinations I know it won't currently work on are Firefox/Greasemonkey 4 and Pale Moon.
 
11:53 PM
@Makyen So where is the right version currently? Tiny's GH?
 
@BaummitAugen :-) Magic™ Tag Review 2: GitHub (install). If interested, I've submitted a PR with some additional features. Additional testing of the PR would be helpful. Note that if you install from the PR, you will not be automatically updated to new versions.
 
@Makyen Thanks!
 

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