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12:04 AM
failed to read the last line in the URL they got that from ^ as well as other related notes
 
 
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2:14 AM
flagged and user was deleted
 
user3956566
2:26 AM
this user is spamming the suggested edits with unecessary tag edit stackoverflow.com/users/1894600/…
 
@YvetteColomb possibly unnecessary in some of his suggested edit, should I reject some of them?
 
user3956566
@TetsuyaYamamoto yep
 
user3956566
the op is going through old posts and editing the tags. I left them a comment saying to find posts with formating issues and edit them, instead of bumping old posts with unnecessary tags @TetsuyaYamamoto
 
2:42 AM
@YvetteColomb Bumping old Q''s with irrelevant tags is a no-no. And should I reject or improve these: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17169526 & stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17170072?
 
user3956566
@TetsuyaYamamoto the last one - I'd reject - the one capitalising is ok - but we're not supposed to change the spelling from US to UK and vice versa
 
3:30 AM
SmokeDetector is likely to act as if unwell, too
 
Also possible irrelevant tags.
 
Someone want to add javascript tag here for me to dupe hammer?: stackoverflow.com/questions/45930299/unexpected-token
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Done, you can use mjolnir dupehammer then :)
 
 
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5:13 AM
 
@suraj That off-topic reason though.
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya looks like that comment got deleted..
 
@suraj Does that mean Bryan Adams is a diamond mod on SO? :O
 
also, that edit just now
 
They're clealy a fan...
 
5:27 AM
Possible spam?
 
@Enzokie @suraj Certainly a spam, also the Q has 2 CVs.
 
@suraj @TetsuyaYamamoto I disagree that this is General Computing. The question clearly states that they need to do this programmatically. They are not asking how to do it by clicking the UI by hand. They want to achieve the equivalent programmatically.
 
@Makyen The text contains "programmatically create VPN profile", so that's happen in automatic way - it doesn't fit for general computing issues which requires user interaction & manual configs (don't cast CV for that).
 
@Makyen what happened, it's deleted now?
 
@Makyen you are right.. missed that. It does fit too broad though..
 
5:40 AM
@JonClements ^
 
@tripleee it got closed and then deleted as too broad
 
@tripleee It's still too broad without any sample provided.
 
Didn't see the point of keeping that Q around
 
@JonClements fair enough, thanks for checking back
 
6:25 AM
^ Also POB in one of the Q for second one.
 
6:46 AM
Morning \o
 
ola
 
o/
 
\o
 
6:53 AM
o/
 
How do you pet Smoky for finding spam? Does he like carrots?
(as in, is there a way of approving his findings? need some privileges for that?)
 
We have a bot to pet Smokey for us
 
Well the link he found is spam so please flag it :)
 
@Lundin Flagged already :)
 
There we go.
 
7:19 AM
@Lundin there's a guideline on charcoal-se.org (which is also linked via goo.gl on every single SmokeDetector report; click on the "SmokeDetector" text)
however, since Metasmoke is down at the moment, more spam than usual is leaking through to here
 
oh, that would explain why something "Failed to load data: "
 
Morning o/
 
\o
 
\o
 
7:27 AM
o/
 
7:42 AM
@tripleee Since the MS is down atm, I monitored this & Tavern room to find out SD's feedback & immediately take action for reported posts.
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Charcoal is where things get reported at first; they only propagate to other rooms if the spam is not deleted within 5 minutes (IIRC; not sure about the precise time period)
 
8:18 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto OP seems to have added code
 
8:35 AM
Hey
I made a script correlating the amount of eligible reviewers with completed reviews: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/715853/…
 
8:46 AM
Old question that should have been closed a POB just got bumped up due recent edit to one of the answers. VTC worthy for the room?
 
9:03 AM
Dupeyz ^^
 
@Magisch Is it also possible to have a column that shows users that haven't done a single review in that category? Because I suspect that might be a major component of column 2. It is hard to believe that the average number of reviews done by each user in a month is just 2-3 (in each category).
@Magisch I am not sure if that information is available. I am not well versed with the Scheme of the tables.
 
9:20 AM
My CVs are already used up XD
 
9:32 AM
@AjayBrahmakshatriya It's not
It doesn't say which user completed which review
nor does it give the number of reviews done by each user
 
@SmokeDetector success story: stackoverflow.com/a/45934741
 
o/
 
@kayess to be fair: this is one of the most basic things one can do in MATLAB (hence the initial 10 characters were enough for proper understanding). This question shouldn't have been asked imo
 
@Magisch support this FR: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/281411/… /cc @AjayBrahmakshatriya
 
9:43 AM
@Adriaan Well, you may be right on that. However I book this as a success that answerer guy edited more information, not just leaving a code-only answer around
 
@rene I see Jon's point, but isn't a convenient place to check on bad behaving users a pro on this site?
 
@Adriaan yeah, well. Technically you can only see revision history once over 10K although you could scrape and obtain that info with < 10K so it depends on how you define publicly available but I'm in the camp that says: it is not and therefor understand why it is left out of SEDE. I still support the FR because there have been and will be plenty of ocasions that I want that data..
Not only to look into witch hunts ...
 
@rene It'd also let me exclude users that haven't done a single review
Speaking of which
It's been more then a week and nobody has even acknowledged the security vulnerability I reported
 
@Magisch Didn't Adam say he wasn't sure it is one?
 
Hmm, can anyone take another look at this? stackoverflow.com/questions/45773666/…. Need some advice if it's reopenable.
 
9:57 AM
@rene Nobody said anything to me yet
I haven't heard anything or got an email. I asked if it was one to begin with in my ticket though
 
@BhargavRao looks far too broad to me, as per your current analysis: "limit it to a specific problem with enough detail to identify an adequate answer."
 
I am more towards asking them to move it to another site.
It certainly is too broad. :/
 
@BhargavRao I think it's okay. I see a couple of things that need tweaking verbiage-wise, but I would re-open. It's a straightforward question about how to develop a driver.
I don't know what other site it would be appropriate on. Driver development is on topic for SO.
It only seems broad because they've enumerated their questions in a strange way.
 
It's still multiple questions in one, isn't it?
 
@CodyGray It appears from "are there any better and more recent examples for what I want to achieve?" that that part is opinion based and also "are there any mistakes in what I found, or did I miss anything?" appears to be asking us to go through the existing sources OP found and confirm that they are all correct, and advise on whether or not more is needed, which could come under request for external resources as well as too broad
 
10:02 AM
@CodyGray can you tweak it in a way that doesn't mess with their original intent, but still make it more focused (less broad)? I'm still unable to see as to how we can reduce it to a good format.
 
@NickA Yeah...those are just phrased foolishly. So I see what you mean by feeling it's not okay, but I don't think it's all bad. That's what I meant by tweaking.
Honestly, all the bulleting is just distracting.
 
@Magisch Can you look at this - data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/…. I think this has enough info.
The column UserId - The relevant review is stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4355962
 
This is the last for today, see you tomorrow :)
 
@CodyGray admittedly driver development is a complicated topic (I certainly stay far from it for the time being), but without significant refactoring (which I'm not comfortable doing in this case) that post will remain too broad IMHO
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto sleep well, hope metasmoke recovers (-:
 
10:06 AM
I'm not sure why you wouldn't be comfortable with significant refactoring. The guy obviously wants an answer, and would be happier getting an answer to a refactored question than not getting an answer to a closed one.
 
Plop!
 
@tripleee I just going back to home... my family awaits me. I hope @Undo hear my pings :)
 
@CodyGray Purely because I know nothing on the topic and don't want to change the question in a way that the answer wouldn't answer all of the questions that OP has :)
 
Ah, well I guess I'm a bit more confident in my relevant knowledge, even if I don't know the exact answer. But I suspect I'm seeing the question as something entirely different than everyone else. It looks to me like he's just asking how to develop a Win 10 driver for a device which really is not a bad question.
 
10:10 AM
It is similar to something I could see myself asking, so I'm happy to take the blame here.
 
@CodyGray that's what it looks like to me, but I only got that from repeated mentions of windows 10 and the fact the question is about driver development, in fact, that's as far as my understanding of the question went, besides the clear fact OP is asking multiple questions I can't pass further judgement, it may be that those questions are finely connected and that one answers another at which point it may not fall under too broad, but that's not for me to say.
 
Yeah, this is one of those ironic cases where showing research effort was making the question seem too broad.
That and poor phrasing like "any ideas?"
The "Do I need to...?" stuff is all just his ideas about what he should try, which we're always telling people we want them to include.
There's still just one answer: "This is what you need to do..."
 
@CodyGray good edit
much clearer and easier to read
 
Oh, gotcha. But is the answer too broad?
 
@JohnDvorak Is that to me? No...telling someone the right approach to use to write a driver isn't broad.
Everyone hates this because there's no code to debug :-)
 
user3956566
10:17 AM
omg I just edited and started answering a question that I thought was in java, then C# and then realised was actually javascript @Kyll c'mon - what have you got to say about that??? LOL
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@CodyGray Are GATT Profile drivers are even still allowed maybe you want to remove one "are" ... I figured I wouldn't want to hijack your (stellar!) edit and steal your thunder by submitting a tiny minor edit on top
 
user3956566
@CodyGray nice to see you in chat again :)
 
@YvetteColomb Go to sleep.
 
user3956566
@Kyll it's 8.19pm!! LOLOL
 
@tripleee Hah! Thanks. Yeah, I reworded that one a couple of different times, but didn't read over it before hitting the go button.
 
10:19 AM
Then you'll be sleeping before 4am for once...
 
@Magisch I assumed this was about your ticket: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=6290419#6290419
 
I really don't like those blobs in the review queue drop down, they appear to only work sometimes and I miss having a definitive number of things left to review in the q
 
@CodyGray We cannot be expected to test and debug drivers anyway.
 
user3956566
@NickA they are a sweet relief - I don't want to know the numbers
 
for the CVQ it will be an ArithmeticException anyway ...
 
10:38 AM
@rene mhm
Maybe someone'll tell me
I have an idea how to make that work incredibly well using just SEDE but I'm afraid to try a proof of concept since that'd be public
I guess I just have to wait for adam to stumble upon the technique by himself (he's probably better then me at SQL anyways so it won't take long)
 
11:30 AM
Morning
 
o/
 
Alternatively opinion based
 
12:03 PM
s/pragmatically/programagically
 
good afternoon o/
 
Having a filter on brings up this bs audit in CVQ lol
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 11 hours.
 
12:12 PM
@kayess that's totally asp-net.mvc, good audit IMHO ;)
 
@NathanOliver lol
To be honest I would del that question from existence so it won't come up as audit next time : P This sounds crazy, although chances such crap getting fixed at speed of SO devs... is time measured in 6 to 8 lightyears
 
That happens whichever tag you filter on. You get a complete nonsense audit with the tag you're filtered on added
 
well, audits are not supposed to be particularly hard, but rather make sure you are paying attention
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Yep. Although I have never seen any MVC frameworks for c++
SOCVR homework: calculate earth time measured in 6 to 8 lightyears
 
12:17 PM
I'd say 42 units of 6 to 8 lightyears
 
42 :D
@FélixGagnon-Grenier that is the answer
 
apparently ;)
 
I don't know how I got there, but this answer and its comments are fantastic: meta.stackexchange.com/a/138032
 
thats a not standard messure of time you got there!
 
you're right, it's a mess. Surely you'll pardon me?
 
12:22 PM
@DragandDrop Ye ye... you know the drill. Here is the back story for this: tomorrow morning we fire up Kyll to travel at the light of speed. Now he needs to travel for 6 to 8 lightyears to get to planet Peanutus. How many days are passing by on earth till the spearrel lands on the mightly planet?
 
It's ok. Just find the closest caesium-133 atom and count the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of said atom.
 
I'm hesitating to close you as unclear what you are saying.
 
Do you have that number tatooed on your forearm, or is your brain somehow much more accomodating of random big integers than mine?
 
Its not random, It's the exact value of a second....
 
random meaning that, it could have been the number of atoms in a mol, or the biggest 32 bit integer, or varia, not that you actually typed it randomly.
 
12:26 PM
Hang on a second while I think about it..
 
@MartinJames, Hang on a second while I check. 1..2 .3 ..4
 
Someone can give me hands I block at 5!
 
@DragandDrop if I give you my hands (arms) we will look like Shiva
 
And btw, lightyears is not a unit of time. like the parsec.
 
12:30 PM
I know, re-read the backstory
 
LOL, the meta 'duplicates troll' managed to get 106 comments to date. Is that a record?
 
@MartinJames the duplicates troll?
 
Ron
Hello.
 
perfect timing
o/
 
@MartinJames let's not discuss that here, Ok?
 
12:40 PM
@MartinJames, can we re open this I have wrote an answer. But this is close now..
 
@rene OK, fine by me.
 
thanks
 
aww, too slow
 
Should I custom flag a one-liner answer that just restates what the other answers have stated in greater detail, or just LQP it?
 
reviewers aren't shown context
 
12:49 PM
@Machavity It's not VLQ or NAA so don't use those. I don't think you need to mod flag either. I think this is something that down votes and possibly delete votes can handle
 
@NathanOliver Good point
 
I do that occasionally. ;)
 
... or that, yes
 
1:15 PM
@SmokeDetector plagiarism
flagged
 
handled
 
@NathanOliver that's my thesis set, I'll find one online and say "Source: www.xxx.com" at the end
 
@BhargavRao thanks
 
1:42 PM
you're right, but I can't use user script in this env. Will you ever pardon me?
 
No.
 
@DragandDrop You don't need the userscript to add the tag manually. You can just type [tag:cv-pls] before you type in the request. We require the tag to be there so the request is clean up when we run the archive script.
 
@JohnDvorak for RO ... ;)
 
2:42 PM
Hi guys, was told this is the place to come if i want to get the marshal badge
 
@WhatsThePoint you need to do a lots of marshalling
 
@WhatsThePoint We don't promote gamification of the badges but ig you want to help moderate and in turn, get some badges from that you're more than welcome here.
 
That would be charcoal, actually
 
@WhatsThePoint You don't need to but it certainly helps getting it, you'll see a lot of cv-pls tags with recommendations on the type of flag/vote to use. Just make sure you use your own initiative to review the given post rather than just following the recommended
 
@NickA will do
pretty much all i do is review on SO anymore since i hit 500 rep, been tough recently as the queues have remained low since the election
 
2:50 PM
@WhatsThePoint yes I've noticed that too, I'm finding it slower and slower to get the Steward badges
 
give it a month and itll be back to normal @NickA
 
@WhatsThePoint also need to get a bit of rep before I can reach the CV and reopen queues
 
ive only got the 3 basic queues which doesnt help @NickA
 
blep
 
blop
 
2:57 PM
blip
 
blup
 
blap
 
blyp?
 
crash
 
bandicoot
 
3:00 PM
lol
 
Crunch
 
I still don't understand socvr's chat, I understand pythons because they have sopython.com/salad, but socvr's is lost on me
 
no one understands SOCVR chat
 
Don't worry, it's just our trains. Each carriage needs to be different, otherwise our bots will derail it.
 
Creating a dark web site isn't really unethical.
 
3:09 PM
My Crunch was a reference to bandicoot but I think it may have been lost :/
 
That's like saying creating an encrypted volume is unethical.
 
but, how can the TSA guys read it to find out you're not a terrorist if they can't read your hard drive?
Worse, how can they watch the ... educational videos on human anatomy ... that you have there?
 
So you're advocating for a decrypt and unzip policy?
(is that too double entendre? I have no idea. I think it's a funny)
 
too double entendre = triple entendre?
 
@JohnDvorak it has 3 meanings?
 
3:18 PM
I think it has two meanings.
One of them is a computer science meaning =w=
 
I like that apple added a way to disable touch ID without having to unlock the phone.
 
Levee breached in Houston D:
 
@Compass just a double entendre then
@NathanOliver is that the 'hold the lock button for 20 seconds' thing?
 
I dunno if I want to buy a smartwatch or a monitor
 
3:25 PM
@TylerH it's press the screen off button 5 times quickly and it puts the phone in emergency mode and requires the passphrase to unlock it. It is in the newest iOS release (not sure if that has actually been released yet)
 
I could buy both but seeing as they are both luxury wants and not needs, I feel like only buying one would be more tenable.
 
@NathanOliver oh yeah
I read some nice satire on twitter about that
and similar features
 
@NathanOliver does this mean a triple-letter agency will unlock your phone with a hammer instead?
 
@JohnDvorak That or their super secret crack apple doesn't know about.
 
Well then, why did it take them so long to take apart the previous one?
Could there be such a thing as objective best practices?
 
3:29 PM
Yes.
Example: don't store your password in plain text.
 
Good. Any chance this is one of those?
 
I don't think so.
There's a bunch of different ways to handle CSS.
Minify makes for faster loading and performance for sure, but you need to recreate it to make style changes, and it's also bonkers to manage by hand.
 
@Compass but what if you put it on a post-it note on a bar of gold burried at the bottom of a pile in one of the vaults at fort nox? That should be safe ;)
 
@JohnDvorak In the same way that there are "grammar rules" for a living language like English - yes
 
The problem is that Fort Knox doesn't have gold in it.
 
3:32 PM
But objective, ultimate best practice? no
@Compass It does have about $200 billion in gold buillion
 
@Compass that's why any decent framework *cough*asp.net*cough* handles that for you.
 
.NET: You can now shoot yourself in the foot with any of fourteen weapons, ranging from an antique medieval crossbow to a laser-guided Destructo-Beam. However, all these weapons must be manufactured by Microsoft and you must pay Microsoft royalties every time you shoot yourself in the foot.
 
mono
 
@TylerH but objectively, it might as well not exist.
It's gold that's basically permanently removed from supply and demand.
 
@Compass permanently for now
When Ron Paul wins the presidency in 2020, he'll put us back on the gold standard
and then it's open season baby
(The above is satire)
 
3:38 PM
jots down the prediction
 
@TylerH whole new meaning for buck tags ;)
 
@Compass I love that game
 
we bought the expansion
it comes with a cone
 
@TylerH Sounds good, except for maybe: 'The U.S. federal budget deficit for fiscal year 2018 is $440 billion'.
 
3:47 PM
@kayess 2090 to 2790 years
 
@MartinJames I didn't say the gold prevented any kind of situation
I simply was saying there was gold in fort knox
 
Need a second opinion as to whether this is off topic stackoverflow.com/questions/45942674/…
 
Smells like spam
 
@TylerH Sure, but are there any post-it notes? :)
 
@MartinJames I will let you know when I break in and inspect them all :-)
 
3:55 PM
Does it smell like spam to anyone else?
User account is 2 months, mentions all the blep.
 
@Compass There aer certainly too many links in that Q&A than I would be happy with:(
 
Hmmm. What to eat for lunch. It's rainy so I am thinking something hot
Though I'm sure the stronger drinkers here be like "so they just changed the label"
 
American beer, is that ... hop lemonade?
basically a really bad cheap cider?
 
I dunno I can't drink alcohol
 
I can drink alcohol, so I don't know much about American beer.
 
4:07 PM
hurrrrr
 
..sorry, I meant 'but I don't know much about American beer'.
 
ah, sure you did
 
@Compass yes, am American beer drinker, can confirm
 
I don't get it
seems borked
 
American beer is borked, yes
 
4:22 PM
@JohnDvorak the mainstream beers are
there are lots of breweries that have their own beer thats pretty good
 
lovely beer name
 
The first comment on there about sums it up
 
$180 a bottle
circa 2009
 
Ugh, no thanks
 
4:26 PM
I thought you wanted to try non-watery beer :|
 
Just avoid PBR, Busch, Natural, or any of the Lite beers and you'll probably be fine
If you want the good stuff look for Stouts and IPAs
 
In Czechia you get 0.5L of 5% beer at the equivalent of $1.
And it's good.
In a pub. One quarter the price if you want it bottled.
 
I'm getting an argument in this question that I closed and added another duplicate after being questioned about the close. Thoughts?
 
#abandon_ship
 
4:31 PM
@Fred-ii- The disengage button is in the upper right corner of your control panel
 
if those above are for me, can you ping? lol hard to say who / what you're responding to
 
It's not worth the effort to argue over close votes
 
@Compass I didn't think so neither, it's just nit picking really.
@JohnDvorak hahaha, it is indeed :)
 
@Compass 'Every man, woman, child and PHP developer for themselves!'
 
Are you implying PHP developers aren't children? O_o
 
4:35 PM
'Do NOT inflate your life jacket until you have exited the page'
 
Something about that sentence unnerves me as an amateur linguist.
 
getting more arguments, FFS
I am so NOT engaging in that.
 
4:48 PM
@JohnDvorak I would guess that cost of living is a bit cheaper there, too. GDP Per capita purchasing power parity in Czech Republic is ~36k, but in the US it is ~53k
 
I really hope they don't add in those (too many) cries for help again stackoverflow.com/q/45944342 - I had to roll that back. See comments.
 
@TylerH Who cares when CZ has good beer:)
 
Beer per capita is what counts ...
 
espressos are not immune to per capita also ;-)
 
5:06 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis 'public class tuna..'!
 
I miss him too :(
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Who, "Charlie"?
 
The man, the legend, the Tunaki
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Yes, but I didn't know we could just instantiate a new one:)
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Aahhhh, ok. I thought you were talking about this guy... haha!
 
Wait, what happened to Tunaki? He stopped contributing to SO? I missed that. :-(
 
Yeah, last post was in march. He hasn't been in the room for a while as well :(
 
Oh, so it wasn't an announced departure
 
I thought he gave a reason for it, let me check the SOBotics transcript
 
I'm fuzzy on the reason. AFAIK he needed some me time
 
5:54 PM
in SOBotics, Jun 21 at 14:51, by Petter Friberg
@ColdFire Yeah vacation he is less active now, he got tired of SO and wanted to do other stuff ;), maybe he will be back one day
 
Maybe he needed less "give me teh codez" time. Sad story.
 
Yeah. It's pretty easy to get burned out. Moderation these days feels like trying to empty a sinking boat with a spoon.
 
Kyll stil has contact with him:
in The Ministry of Silly Hats, Aug 26 at 9:42, by Kyll
Went to a 70kms bike ride with the fish
 
@NathanOliver and getting shouted at for emptying at the wrong side of the ship.
 
6:02 PM
oh, this user has made several such proposals already, all highly downvoted
 
That one is all my fault. He wanted to edit his old question to replace it with this; I wouldn't let him. And all while rene is out of popcorn. :-(
 
@NathanOliver A pickle spoon, maybe.
@CodyGray I don't know why s/he's trying again - it's flagging a dead horse.
 
plop
 
Also no MCVE^
 
@CodyGray to be fair to everyone: I asked @MartinJames earlier to not discuss meta posts from that user and although I admit I do like my popcorn I try to steer this room a bit clear of too much involvement in meta drama. Sorry.
 
6:36 PM
I haven't had popcorn in a while.
I should buy some.
 
Ron
Scratch that.
 
@rene grumble Meta is how I stay sane. But fair is fair.
4
 
It looks like they're trying to fix the cyrillic and it's breaking.
I'd rather they just fix it themselves than join the insanity.
 
Ron
That question won't win any beauty contests to begin with.
 
I ate food and I'm hungry :(
 
Ron
6:42 PM
I wasted ten years with Delphi and feel sorry.
 
@CodyGray Shog9 actually talked in video about giving rep for that ;)
 
I tried to find that keyboard waffle iron (from meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/355779/…) on ebay... found similar but not the exact one...
 
@Ron is that close to the Oracle?
 
Ron
@rene Very much so.
 
bless you then
 
Ron
6:51 PM
Not to be confused with Delphi automotive parts.
 
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